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Unofficial Mackie User Forums => DL1608/DL806/DL32R/ProDX Mixers => Topic started by: thedrums on September 03, 2014, 02:53:12 AM
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Just saw an ad for the DL32 with release date.
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Nice. So judging by the video, 32 in 14 out with programmable input gains. Seems as though the master fader will be upgraded or replaced. Can't wait to see what they do with that. Hope I held off from the x32r for a reason. 12 more inputs is a good start.
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Just saw an ad for the DL32 with release date.
Where?
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Found it.
http://youtu.be/jaUDzps61T0
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Let's just hope they can fix their 8 and 16 DL before they announce the 32r. I would expect the first showing to be at NAMM 2015 with a ship months after that.
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Nice thing is both of these "fix" the problem of the X32 Rack having the I/O on the back :) . I'd really rather see a DL24R though, no need for 32 channels here and 16 gets crowded. Actually a DL16R with built-in AirPlay (and/or 3.5mm stereo input) would be fine too assuming that was in addition to the 16 channels :) .
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Looking forward to the final specs on this one. The Presonus offering looks similar & comes with multitrack recording, hopefully Mackie got the message & included that in this thing.
Looks like the era of one-rack full show mixing is here...
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Looking forward to the final specs on this one. The Presonus offering looks similar & comes with multitrack recording, hopefully Mackie got the message & included that in this thing.
I'd be uber shocked if it doesn't do full multitrack recording right to a SDCard and/or USB drive.Looks like the era of one-rack full show mixing is here...
Just FYI you've been able to run an iLive stage box just from an iPad from well before the DL1608 shipped. I'm really looking forward to going to a rack unit - I hope Mackie either has a smaller one too or prices the 32 similar to an X32 Rack or the Presonus 16 one. My major objection to the iLive was that they never made a 24 channel version - the 16 was just a bit too small for me and the 32 way too expensive :( .
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What are the odds that they will supersede the 8 and 16 with the new 32? That way they won’t have to address the issues with the previous models, especially since they announced a quote: “release date of Oct 2014” unquote. Of course you’re probably right WK, it’s a good bet you won’t see the new one (s) until after NAMM 2015.
We can always be hopeful though, that they'll iron out the bugs and also make Master Fader even better and that support for the current platform will continue, at least, for a little while longer when the rack hits the stores. ;)
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What are the odds that they will supersede the 8 and 16 with the new 32? That way they won’t have to address the issues with the previous models, especially since they announced a quote: “release date of Oct 2014” unquote. Of course you’re probably right WK, it’s a good bet you won’t see the new one (s) until after NAMM 2015.
We can always be hopeful though, that they'll iron out the bugs and also make Master Fader even better. ??? Or don't hold your breath? :P
Aside from bug fixes for the current DL design, they still should have a small table top improved version of the DL. My guess is they are going to quickly dump the current 808/1608 and come out with an "R" version that has recallable preamps as well as remedied design oversights in the original model.
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Greg C.
I certainly hope so. That would really be nice. :)
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Nice thing is both of these "fix" the problem of the X32 Rack having the I/O on the back :) . I'd really rather see a DL24R though, no need for 32 channels here and 16 gets crowded. Actually a DL16R with built-in AirPlay (and/or 3.5mm stereo input) would be fine too assuming that was in addition to the 16 channels :) .
The "fix" for you may not be other peoples. You can in fact have your front access unit with a X32 core and S16 or if you want to upscale soon a D16 Midas. Something I may go for. Just waiting for B's September announcement. And with the same # of mic channels and a working USB recording/playback as the DL1608 you're ahead of the game. Would be nice if they had a 1U 8 channel S8. :) There is also the option to record all channels.
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Will be interesting to see what this comes with in terms of connectivity to a control surface, i.e. will it just be a network port and you have to add the access point or wireless built in? If they go with network will be standard Ethernet or AES50?
Its quite an exciting development and clearly they have seen a few people on here who were sat patiently waiting for the X32 rack to replace their DL.
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The DL32 and the Presonus rack will probably be more expensive than the X32, that will be a factor to some buyers.
I really hope the prices are competitive.
Soundwise I don't know if there will be much between them.
I suppose I'd take the A&H iDR 32 above any of them but it's getting on a bit now and is still frighteningly expensive!
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The presonus is £1080 for the 16 channel and £1550 for the 32 channel rack from what I have seen and you can apparently order it now... the sexy Lenovo All-In-One PC shown in the video is likely to set you back at least the same as the 32 channel rack!! Doh :-\
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Lots of Multitouch choices below that. Coming up to Christmas with another wave of new tablets and All in One's with the usual price cuts should make it less expensive.
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that video said "100% wireless", i wonder if that means there's no way to run the ipad connected directly? USB ports or something? or i'm imagining some kind of cat 5 snake with a black box on the end that has USB ports to plug your ipad into, so you could mix out front without being wi-fi dependent.
also, if the wi-fi is happening internally, i wonder if the wi-fi protocol gets obsolete before the mixer does, and if that's something that can be upgraded down the road?
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That's just meaningless marketing babble. With 32 inputs and 16 outputs+ how wireless can it be? If it's meant for the control then don't knock it it's the only thing that's been reliable on the DL. If your in a wireless mess I trust you can hook up a wired Ethernet of sorts. October 15th you may get some answers.
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It’s a good bet that since it’s a rack unit, there’s no provision to dock the iPad anywhere. So that’s their claim to 100% wireless “control”. (It’d be cool if everything was wireless including all inputs. Just dreaming!) "Somewhat" similar to the not released yet X18 from Behringer. That has a spot to put your iPad, but haven’t seen any connections from the pix.
Hopefully Mackie will release some more revealing pix and specs on the DL32 before it comes out, to satisfy the curious. Not that anyone here is interested too much. ;) :P :lol:
And once the DL32 has been out in the real world for a while, and potential bugs have reared their heads once again, (hopefully not!) this will create a potpourri of interesting views and discussions. I look forward to it. This is actually a fantastic forum for this kind of stuff. 8) :thu:
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If you want to see a preview of the purported new MF for the DL32 as well as the DL1608 take a look at Mackie's Facebook page. Totally different from current MF. Sep. 17 entry. Four rows of faders? Great looking stage. ::)
These are some of the Mackie comments:
Mackie: This new mixer will come with a new, more awesome Master Fader. And, yes, DL1608 and DL806 users will benefit big time.
Mackie: A new view of the same awesome interface. New toys for all the DL1608 users out there.
How about just recalling all the ones made with lead! Oh those are boat anchors. :)
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The picture showing the iPad with the new? Master Fader looks purposely over exposed, or too much light shining on it to really see what it might look like. Too bad there's not a preview on the app store yet. I know it's an overview, but a better sneak peak would've been cool.
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https://www.facebook.com/Mackie/photos/a.10150132986181145.316243.51279541144/10152698054611145
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RR, thank you for the link. Feeling like a facebook newb :facepalm: , that was the picture I commented on. Is there another view there? Obviously I don't use facebook that much. :-[
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RR, thank you for the link. Feeling like a facebook newb :facepalm: , that was the picture I commented on. Is there another view there? Obviously I don't use facebook that much. :-[
FB "hides" most comments, you have to go through and carefully expand them :/
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RR;
Thanks ;)
Can't wait for this new release. Hope there's not too much of a learning curve. Mackie said it's the most intuitive control app on the market.
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The pic of the new app looks fine to me, its using the alternate color scheme available via iPad (for dark environments). If that's the most intuitive control app since apple pie I'll take the apple pie with real whip cream on top. :)
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Mmmmm, mmmmmm. :D
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I guess it's fair to say that most of us are eagerly awaiting the big reveal from Mackie for the October 15 live web event? ;)
I await with baited breath. :P
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I think it's a bit too late for mackie, the presonus product looks great, the berry product range is great , with an as yet unfixed previous product mackie are not in a good place to unveil anything are they right now, their current range is too expensive IMHO.
The dl 1608. 806 need to drop to about 450 to 600 euros, and they need to stop charging the earth for rack mounts ipad trays and connectors,
Just my ten centimos worth
Kev
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But hey, I think Mackie really outdid themselves with the their new "Mix" series! (http://mix.mackie.com) :thu:
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Wow
Berry might as well abandon the xr12
:thu:
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I need to bring my sledge to the next gig see if it survives. :lol: On a serious note it's about all they have left to hang their hat on.
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All grumping aside, my DL hasn't given me anything but good service. My first Presonus desk and other assorted Behringer kit had their share of problems. Everybody seems to be welcoming Behringer with open arms, what about a bit of generosity Mackie's way? Who do you think has the bigger trail of wreckage behind them? I sold my two Presonus desks when I got the DL, IMHO I got better results from the DL. Also the DL didn't give me random shocks when touching the chassis! Presonus aren't "all that" in my opinion either.....
The upshot is that I will be giving the DL32 a fair chance and not discarding it before anyone has even laid hands on it. I know it's the trend here to slate everything Mackie does but why shouldn't they have a share of the cheap analog market? There will be buyers for that gear. Maybe other people here don't take small jobs? I take all work I can get, big and small. Why should Mackie be any different? They may make 10x more from sales of the new little mixers than they will from the DL series. They probably won't have as much bitching to deal with either.
The constant tirade against Mackie on this forum is getting very boring.
Maybe we've learnt all we can about the current DL because I see very little being posted lately that would benefit any new users.
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I am not running mackie down unduly, but it's getting a bit silly bringing out a bigger version of a product that seems to have a problem or two in its current form.
I was going to buy a dl last month, thank goodness I found this forum,
I think the criticism of them for charging for cheap bits of metal for rack ears applies to all the companies in fairness, but the bits of plastic and the Adaptors, the pricing for them is ott. Why didn't they equip the mackie dl with a short trailing lead after the iPad upgrade, it's a bit stupid having to buy an adaptor for 50 quid, what if you have an old and a new pad, and want to dock both? You can't, bloody stupid.
How much do you think the dl32 will be
And is a mixer like the dl 1608 at 1200 euros that can only be used with a 500 euro pad, priced right ?
It's not really mean what I am suggesting is it.
I would love a dl, but 500 euros is all it's worth to me.
Cheers
Kev
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I agree the accessories in the uk are way overpriced, I was going to convert my DL to lightning but it wasn't worth the cost. Uk markup, not sure Mackie is entirely to blame, the parts here are via a 3rd party distributor.
You can't seriously expect Mackie not to develop new products because ithe DL is not "perfect"? If every manufacturer adopted that attitude we'd still be driving Ford model T v54.6! New models replace and improve on old models. People buy discounted old version cars knowing the new model is to be released. The DL is a perfectly saleable item.
I paid nearly £1k for my DL and don't regret it. At the time it was new and innovative, with every new product I was sure it would drop in price at some stage.
You're glad you found this forum because you nearly bought a DL.
Your ingestion of all the recent guff on this forum has steered you away.
There is very little wrong with the DL.
Docked iPad "white noise" non issue, is it a problem? Only for a handful of people. It really isn't a big problem. If you have it it's easy to work around.
As a powerful, compact, reasonable quality digital desk it will meet the requirements of most users.
There are probably 1000's of users who use the DL regularly who are happy.
The vocal 0.001% is what you have here and a few don't even own a DL.
Take everything posted here with a pinch of salt.
Go and try one out, make up your own mind.
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Hi mate
I am in Ibiza Spain, I don't know anyone here to borrow one from, I can't pay 1200 euros for a product that might or might not be ok, not forgetting 100 for the bracket, it's a bit lousy for mackie, but the pricing on the x32 is always going to make them look pricey, and the with the new x baby range, who knows,
I am glad you are happy with your gear, I am going to hold on now for next year and see what happens, I still think berry x18 not locking and charging a pad is a big no no, that's why I would purchase a dl if the price comes down, not at 850 euros though, with the plastic gubbins and rack kit, I only want one mic channel and playback at the end of the day.
Cheers
Kev
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Ahem Kev,
Can you put me up for a few days and I'll Easyjet over with my DL lol;)
Any excuse for a break in Ibiza!
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€919 or €935 from Thomann, forget the rack, get a small case!
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€919 or €935 from Thomann, forget the rack, get a small case!
Yes I see thoman has dropped the price, they were a lot more expensive than that a few days ago, the air was 200 euro more, maybe a mistake? if they drop the 806 down to 500, I would buy one
Mate you have missed the boat in Ibiza, it starts closing down tonight, maybe next year Eh!
Cheers
Kev
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Thank you Robbo for putting this in perspective for myself in particular. Guilty as charged for getting caught up in the grumping about the DL in particular. I have to be honest, as you well know, I had a major fail, returned it and have enjoyed grousing about the DL ever since. I am ashamed of myself.
I've had the fortune of using a good 100% working DL with the school and can use it anytime for myself. It has been fantastic. Honestly I love it. This alone has brought back confidence in the DL. Most of my gigs are small, but I would use this DL for a major event if given the chance.
I've had no issues with Mackie Customer service in any way. I am actually impressed in the quick and genuine interest in my questions and concerns. In my mind this says a lot for the company, in a positive way. Honestly Mackie does deserve a fair shake and an open mind from myself in particular. I've used Mackie mixers for years and have been impressed with build quality and good sound. That's why I bought a DL, even after reading all posts here on this forum.
I am looking forward to seeing the new line up from Mackie and getting my hands on the updated Master Fader. Can't wait actually.
Thank you for the reality check. :thu:
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Re racking it up, it's because I want it all pre wired, it's no use to me having it sit on top of a 4 u rack inside a camera case etc,
I know I could build a mounting rack out of timber, I shouldn't have to.
Some of us are maybe a bit vocal re our complaints, but it keeps the compnaies on their toes and in a job.
The dl was breathtaking when they first announced it, they need to keep an eye on berry that's all.
Kev
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Apologies guys, I'm having my man period today! >:D
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Apologies guys, I'm having my man period today! >:D
It's okay. Probably needed to be said.
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Robbo,
No worries, it made me really think and take stock. That's a good thing. Glad you said it! :thu: Hopefully I won't be so quick to judge. There's was a show here called the Red Green Show. Canadian version of good ole boys spoof, very funny. Anyway, at the end of every show at the Lodge meeting, they say the Man's Prayer....
"I'm a man and I can change. If I have to, I guess. "
;)
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There's was a show here called the Red Green Show. Canadian version of good ole boys spoof, very funny. Anyway, at the end of every show at the Lodge meeting, they say the Man's Prayer....
"I'm a man and I can change. If I have to, I guess. "
We used to get that show in syndication down here. Great show! Too bad we don't see it any more.
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Priceless indeed. I was fortunate enough to actually attend 2 different CBC tapings of the show in Toronto before the it disappeared. It was hilarious live.
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Priceless indeed. I was fortunate enough to actually attend 2 different CBC tapings of the show in Toronto before the it disappeared. It was hilarious live.
I can imagine. He did a one-man-show here a year or two back, sponsored by the local PBS station. A fantastic evening.
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I think it was the same show he did live at Casino Rama, around the same time in northern Ontario. OMG, absolutely fantastic. Here's another quote from the TV show that is so fitting. "If the Women don't find you handsome, at least they'll find you handy" So apropos in my case. :lol:
As for what's coming from Mackie, I'm really excited to see. It's like hoping you'll get that latest techie toy under the tree for Christmas. Even at my age. 8) Boyz and their Toyz. ;)
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As for what's coming from Mackie, I'm really excited to see. It's like hoping you'll get that latest techie toy under the tree for Christmas. Even at my age. 8) Boyz and their Toyz. ;)
I am, too. I only hope they don't forget current DL owners...
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I actually wrote a letter to Ben. O. at Mackie a while back asking directly about the new Master Fader, if it supported the current DL platform. I didn't get a reply for 4 days. He wrote to me today, Sunday eve, from home I suspect, apologizing for not getting back to me sooner. I was impressed in a good way. Very nice to take the time from home to reply. I suspect that he may have had a lot of email to catch up on.
To make a long story longer, he answered me about my Master Fader concerns. Here is just a little bit of a quote from that letter:
"We are definitely focused on keeping it as intuitive and clean as possible even as we add more features. There’s more cool stuff coming for DL1608 but keeping it clean and easy to use will always be a top priority for us."
:thu: :thu:
Nice. Fingers crossed, we see a new updated Master Fader for all DL platforms very soon. I don't think he'll mind me posting this too much. :)
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I actually wrote a letter to Ben. O. at Mackie a while back asking directly about the new Master Fader, if it supported the current DL platform. I didn't get a reply for 4 days. He wrote to me today, Sunday eve, from home I suspect, apologizing for not getting back to me sooner. I was impressed in a good way. Very nice to take the time from home to reply. I suspect that he may have had a lot of email to catch up on.
To make a long story longer, he answered me about my Master Fader concerns. Here is just a little bit of a quote from that letter:
"We are definitely focused on keeping it as intuitive and clean as possible even as we add more features. There’s more cool stuff coming for DL1608 but keeping it clean and easy to use will always be a top priority for us."
:thu: :thu:
Nice. Fingers crossed, we see a new updated Master Fader for all DL platforms very soon. I don't think he'll mind me posting this too much. :)
That's good to see -- thanks for posting it. My guess is that they (Mackie) would really prefer to do a good job.
Cheers!
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gerenm63;
You are most welcome, indeed.
Beno has never ignored an inquiry from me once, even though he is obviously so busy. That says a lot to me about him and the company in general in my books.
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gerenm63;
You are most welcome, indeed.
Beno has never ignored an inquiry from me once, even though he is obviously so busy. That says a lot to me about him and the company in general in my books.
Originally I thought he had completely ignored both my emails to him, and another one direct to Mackie.
He did finally answer my emails and was apologetic about the time it took for him to do so. I still have copies of those emails, but I'll not be posting them here due to various parts of them being of a personal nature, which made me give him the benefit of the doubt.
Suffice to say that he was very apologetic, and also expressed his (and Mackie's) frustration at not being able to reproduce the white noise on demand so that they could actually hunt it down properly.
He did come across as being a pretty genuine, and decent bloke. :)
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It is a bit disappointing to see people being put off this mixer because there is a lot of attention on a couple of niggles that affect a small majority of users. I did a gig last night: indoor venue, big PA, three bands (15 channels used for Roughneck Riot) and a fair sizeable crowd. Wireless all night and the DL was flawless. I used mute groups, views, shows and all the tools in the chest, set the iPad up before travelling and the results were fantastic. I was able to be pretty relaxed as far as challenging gigs go.
Personally, I would highly recommend this desk. Yes, the additional funds for the iPad are a burden, but there are a lot of factory reconditioned iPad2s that will do the job that you can pick up for under £200. Mackie had no say in what Apple did with their connectors or the size of their devices, they are also a victim of the fruit. Also, as much as it kills me to say it, it probably was the best platform for building this around at the time.
I can't wait to see what the DL32 is going to be like, though I am also rather keen on the new presonus gear... whether I actually need it or not is a completely different matter. :lol:
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Hi guys
I have to be honest, the master fader app is so clear and out of all the apps, it's probably the most suited to a muso operator than any of the others, I hope they sort out the problems with the white noise because it is a good product, I know it's a lot of work but I hope they get around to cross platform support across the dl range, I think people are soon going to exoect this as the norm,
Regarding the complaints and expectations displayed here and other forums, it's human nature I guess, and complaint and critique are what drive progress,
I hope mackie take note of the attention that berry have shown to users with need for lower channel count and counter with something different but similar.
The industry has space for a 1u digital mixer, who will be first to market with one, I am sure most of us have room in the rack for a 1 u main or back up desk?
Cheers, oh and if Ben is following these threads, I wish him well
Kev
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I hope mackie take note of the attention that berry have shown to users with need for lower channel count and counter with something different but similar.
The industry has space for a 1u digital mixer, who will be first to market with one, I am sure most of us have room in the rack for a 1 u main or back up desk?
I have a feeling that Mackie/Ben is watching Berry and the other competitors very closely. I think that's why the DL32 was designed, to compete with the X32. You'll probably see lower channel count versions coming shortly after IE: DL806, but in a smaller rack version. Exciting times in the Digital Mixer Arena. ;)
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It is a bit disappointing to see people being put off this mixer because there is a lot of attention on a couple of niggles that affect a small majority of users. I did a gig last night: indoor venue, big PA, three bands (15 channels used for Roughneck Riot) and a fair sizeable crowd. Wireless all night and the DL was flawless. I used mute groups, views, shows and all the tools in the chest, set the iPad up before travelling and the results were fantastic. I was able to be pretty relaxed as far as challenging gigs go.
Personally, I would highly recommend this desk. Yes, the additional funds for the iPad are a burden, but there are a lot of factory reconditioned iPad2s that will do the job that you can pick up for under £200. Mackie had no say in what Apple did with their connectors or the size of their devices, they are also a victim of the fruit. Also, as much as it kills me to say it, it probably was the best platform for building this around at the time.
I can't wait to see what the DL32 is going to be like, though I am also rather keen on the new presonus gear... whether I actually need it or not is a completely different matter. :lol:
I agree. I've only done 4 gig's with the DL1608, all mic'ing everything (16 inputs, 4 Aux monitor mixes) latest yesterday at outdoor festival, never a glitch! My only wish, since I am also my band's bassist and have ipad on my mic stand, is to have a view option (even if limited) of all 16 input faders (maybe 8 on top of 8 ). While playing, to switch groups or swipe is awkward, and I'd like a view to see how everything is working together at a glance.
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The industry has space for a 1u digital mixer, who will be first to market with one, I am sure most of us have room in the rack for a 1 u main or back up desk?
I'm really hoping for a 2U myself :) .
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The industry has space for a 1u digital mixer, who will be first to market with one, I am sure most of us have room in the rack for a 1 u main or back up desk?
I'm really hoping for a 2U myself :) .
Nah if you have a spare 2 u of space, you want a 1u wundamix in the space leaving room for a wundabox.
: )
No really, 2 u four channel amp, dbx x over, half a rack space of radio mic and iem, and a 1 u mixer
In one of them err erm custom plastic 5 u racks?,!
it's the future.
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Kev this thread is about the DL32, stick with it. Mackie's latest leak preview on Facebook of the DL32 shows a new MF screen and it's a far cry from the previous leak on the same forum. Maybe they can't make up their mind, then again that first pic may have been of a sub menu.
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Who died and made you moderator?
(Joke)
; )
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Who died and made you moderator?
(Joke)
; )
Let me also answer your other question from another thread.
I don't think I follow you, all over the place, ?
You've left your crumbs on a number forums and I personally am getting tired of hearing about WundaMix and the foot-pedal. If the solutions to your problem is in your view down the road with Behringer then save up and wait. Mackie as you stated is out of your budget range.
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I don't like your attitude, before you answer Something from another thread, deal with this one first,
When the guys started talking about being in the audience of a live TV recording you kept silent, this is a forum you get drift and opinions and suggestions, if you don't want to hear what I have to say then don't open my comments.
I don't need to save up money, I have plenty, I just don't want to spend close to 2000 euros on a pair of mixers to own a load of redundant channels. And yes I mute reverb between songs, get over it
I wish I could press my footswitch to mute forum bullies like you, :lol:
Lighten up man.
Kev
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I've just had a quick look though this thread but I didn't see a link to this YouTube clip http://youtu.be/oTQmrzRSM1g
I hadn't seen it before. The new MF app looks good :)
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I hadn't seen that video. There are some really clear shots of the product and master fader. I thought the 32 was going to have wifi built in. Looks like in this video someone is plugging in a router. Or maybe that was a hard drive for recording? I guess we find out Wednesday. Looking forward to it.
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Let's just hope they included all the essentials, only time will tell.
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I hadn't seen that video. There are some really clear shots of the product and master fader. I thought the 32 was going to have wifi built in. Looks like in this video someone is plugging in a router. Or maybe that was a hard drive for recording? I guess we find out Wednesday. Looking forward to it.
There's one very quick shot that shows an Apple Airport Extreme on top of the rack. Leaving the WiFi as an external unit may actually be a good thing (or at least, better than locking users in to something that may not play well down the road) -- it makes the communication a little more "future proof."
The shots of the Master Fader app look pretty good. It looks like the bus selector has gotten a little bigger, which will be a welcome change, and there's been a little more feature access added to the channel strips. Hopefully, we'll get a better look on Wednesday.
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Several good thing about leaving the wifi external. Lowers the manufacturing costs, allows upgrades to the wifi, and allows wifi repairs without shipping off your mixer.
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Looked like an HDD he plugged in at the back:)
Did you notice it was labelled DLS32R?
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Looked like an HDD he plugged in at the back:)
Did you notice it was labelled DLS32R?
You're right about the USB drive! At 1:27, you can see USB A and USB B ports. There's also a big red sticker that says "PROTOTYPE NOT FOR..." on back or the mixer, so it will be interesting to see what features actually make it to market. :)
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Good catch. I went back, upped the playback res to 1080p and slowed the speed to 0.25 and you get a good view of all the goodies on this unit. Last 8 channels all on combo jacks (saves on some DI boxes hopefully) and channel 32 was labelled as Talk Back.
Perhaps there will be direct playback of media files or multitrack recording from this device. Would guess the USB B will be to use it as a sound card for playback from a PC or Mac. Am quite excited about this, even if I have no real need for it LOL :lol:
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Looks like Mackie listened to some of the suggestions. Fader area reduced, title bar with much more direct access, subgroups and VCA. DL1608 implementation of VCA should be interesting. Color is being finally used more effectively with aux screens clearly distinct from L&R. Mute finally out of harms way. Eq thumbnail with additional info. If the old problems are gone then this should carry them for a while longer. Unfortunately the only post by Mackie on Facebook regarding availability is:
Mackie Master Fader update will be a bit later than the Oct 15 product launch. Should see something soon after
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I do hope the DL32R does NOT have a built in wireless router.... too many people that are already using a "wireless" mixer of sorts has a favorite router.
I am going to be very disappointed if they say that this "Launch Event" is only that,.... a public viewing of what is to be available sometime after NAMM 2015. :(
I want my 1608 gone yesterday, because it does not save gain settings in the shows. Pain in the....
Absolutely love my Allen & Heath Qu24 for concerts where a real console is nice to operate, but the Mackie is so awesome for smaller gigs,, wedding receptions, etc. I can't wait for the DL32R but I AM NOT parting with my Qu24 :).
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I was disappointed that the DL1608 didn't have a built in router (and I said so on the Mackie forum). With stand alone routers costing from less than £20 there's no excuse for not building one in to the desk for the convenience of not having the extra box, wires and wall wart.
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I want my 1608 gone yesterday, because it does not save gain settings in the shows. Pain in the....
That used to bother me, but on someone else's recommendation, I just started taking a picture with the iPad of the gains after each show. You can save these pictures in named folders on your iPad, bring them up and adjust the gains accordingly.
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Sam, I understand your point of view, and it's a legit observation. From the manufacturer's point of view though, they are not responsible for any issues of the DL not working wirelessly since it would not have a built in router, and of course, when the industry changes like it does every ten minutes.... they won't have to update, ... we will. :)
Steve,
I am all ears.. (pun) :)
I used to take pictures but with so many repeat "customers shows" without naming the photo it was pointless to me.
How do you create a folder and put "named" pictures on the iPad without the use of a computer and iTunes?
Dan
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Hi guys
I suggest that internal router with an external option is the best of both worlds for us, dog and duck gig, use internal, live aid gig use external and extenders,if the internal breaks out of warranty you would not send it back in a hurry would you?
Regarding remote control of the gains, during set up I can imagine this must be a bit of a drag, but with relation to recalling an entire mix from the week day month before, I just can't imagine musos are that regimental? Would you have to ensure that the keyboard player sets his volume the same every gig, that lightening boy is sending the Di from his pedal at the same volume, and the mics on the combo not to mention the kit are distanced the same every night!
I don't own a digital desk, these are just my own suppositions, but I have worked with great bands and bad, big rigs and small,good engineers and total pratts, it's surprising which shows have been the best, I have to wonder if total recall on the desk would have made that much difference in the end?
I hope you guys get all the bells and whistles you crave on this new product.
Cheers
Kev
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Hi Kevin, I preach all the time that digital boards that save shows/settings are only good to get you "in the ballpark"
It is a complete drag when channel 12 was used last for a sax, and was set around 12 o"clock, then I load a different band, and channel 12's gain is still set to 3 o'clock from a different show.
I provide sound for many different groups many times per month, and it is very frustrating when levels, panning, monitor levels, EQ and everything else is pretty much good to go, but the gains are not even close.
If you have ever used a digital console that "DOES" recall everything including gain settings, the Mackie is very very frustrating, but I knew this when I purchased it. So frustrating that Mackie's new DL32R mixer WILL REMEMBER the gain settings for each saved show/scene. Mackie learned their lesson... although for the price point, the DL1608 would have the gain on an analog potentiometer on the box, NOT adjustable by the app on the iPad.
Never is a show or preset going to be the same from event to event even if identical mics were used and positioned the same as last time. I was never insinuating that....
heck, balance of instruments as well as reverb and delay times change every single song. Recalling a show just gets things "about" ready to go a huge time saver.
Now, on a completely different subject, I wish Mackie would get the jargon correct,
a Show should contain scenes. The DL 1608 does store shows, but inside the shows are snapshots,... the word snapshots should be replaced with scenes.
just my .02 :)
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Dan and SAM it's unfortunate that Mackie and others for that matter have not implemented ad hoc WiFi an ideal application for this. It would eliminate the access point requirement and since it is WiFi would not gain any benefits of a access point which also serves wired Ehternet. Last I checked there are no buffers available in airwaves. :) It requires a USB port which most new offerings now sport. Just needs the minimal software support since it is part of 802.11. The iPad supports ad hoc.
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most everything you mentioned is over my head, I am a recording engineer and sound guy for about 40 years and know virtually nothing about ad hoc, but thanks :)
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most everything you mentioned is over my head, I am a recording engineer and sound guy for about 40 years and know virtually nothing about ad hoc, but thanks :)
It's simply point to point communications between devices, no brain surgery required just IP addresses.
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I believe you :)
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I've generally set my gains using headphones to balance the input levels. I do adjust for different uses. Horns are usually louder than singers and need to be down some. I realize that I'm not running the inputs as hot as they can go, but in use, most are maxing out just below 0 db on the board. It's not perfect, but it's pretty functional as long as you're doing it for the same people. Doesn't help me with my panel discussions much. (Got another one Wednesday.)
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Hi dan hi guys
I am pretty sure that if I was in your situation with the DL, I would attempt this solution
I would measure the pitch of the gain knobs and use a program on the PC to print out a sheet that you could laminate and punch out the holes, place over the knobs, and then use a pen maybe of different colors for the groups on the night make a little mark next to the pot, for each act, you could keep them in a the case, they would take up no room.
Have you american guys ever seen the famous BBC TV show BLUE PETER .?
cheers
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Have you american guys ever seen the famous BBC TV show BLUE PETER .?
That name would probably never make it past the TV censorship folks here ;)
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Hi dan hi guys
I am pretty sure that if I was in your situation with the DL, I would attempt this solution
I would measure the pitch of the gain knobs and use a program on the PC to print out a sheet that you could laminate and punch out the holes, place over the knobs, and then use a pen maybe of different colors for the groups on the night make a little mark next to the pot, for each act, you could keep them in a the case, they would take up no room.
Have you american guys ever seen the famous BBC TV show BLUE PETER .?
cheers
Lol. That's a great idea - down Shep!!
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or just use white LX tape
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Have you american guys ever seen the famous BBC TV show BLUE PETER .?
That name would probably never make it past the TV censorship folks here ;)
Arr you don't know what you have missed, this was a TV show for kids, if you could not make a gift at xmas from old nylon tights and toilet roll tube, well it wasn't worth making or receiving.
There are still many people in the uk, still picking up satellite TV from an old wire coat hanger and a shoe box.
:lol:
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And don't forget the
'Fab(lon)'.... sorry, sticky backed plastic >:D
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Sticky back plastic,
Wood grain effect lol
It was a great show, inspired me to always ponder if I could fix or build my own stuff, probably the reason I am so quick to point out the err ......areas for improvement in gear and in apps too.
when I went to college one of the first discussions I had with the lecturer in general electronics, was about ditching the snake and having remote VCA s controlled by infra red, back in the 80s we didn't see this and much more coming for 300 quid , I always remember the look of shock when the rich kid in class brought the Casio vl tone in, lecturer nearly collapsed,
Kev
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$2000
http://www.americanmusical.com/Item--i-MAC-DL32R-LIST
Woo!
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Cool!
"24 x 24 recording/playback direct to USB 2.0 hard drive"
Very nice ;)
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Isn't AMS jumping the gun a little bit there? :o Trying to get a whole whack of preorders even? :eek: The Mackie DL32 web Launch event is still 30 minutes away as I type this. Holy Cow! :)
It does look pretty cool though and the new "Master Fader" looks pretty neat too. :thu:
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Nothing like spilling the beans before the Webcast. :)
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BenO online resume? ;D
http://benolswang.com/
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I've got 9:08 and not seeing anything on the presentation. Anyone else having similar problems?
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If you missed it the presentation is here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCT10Oqa07Y
and lots more here:
http://dl32r.mackie.com/
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And more here .....
http://www.sweetwater.com/insync/mackie-dl32r-digital-rackmount-mixer-review-the-sweetwater-minute-vol-260/
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The key question is of course which functionality will be available for the DL1608 and when?
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That is a cool piece of hardware. I want one. I don't need one, but I want one anyway. ;D
Master Fader update looks great. Sure makes QU-Pad look messy. :(
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From what I've gleaned from the web chat going on during the video at high speed, the updated MF is supposed to be released in Nov this year. As to the updates for the DL1608, who knows? I suppose one of us could email Beno directly and ask, I guess. ;)
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I have to say I am impressed. It looks frickin awesome! If the Master Fader app for the DL1608 gets the same makeover I will be over the moon. With the recording facility on the DL32R, I think it is going to be very tempting to buy one as an addition or replacement.
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Hi guys
It looks fantastic,
The new app looks cool too
Can anyone direct me with a product link, in video 2, that adjustable stand for the rack is something I could really do with cheers
Kev
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If I ever got to run sound for big productions on a regular basis (in my dreams), ::) this would be a major consideration for purchase, indeed. ;D
Better get this on the Christmas Wish List. :angel:
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From User Voice:
(No Status) → Started
Master Fader 3.0 adds 4 sub groups and 4 VCAs to the DL1608 and DL806.
http://dl32r.mackie.com/
beno
Admin, Mackie
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This all looks wonderful and I can't wait to see the new software for my DL1608. My only gripe and the biggest shortcoming that I see with the Mackie software vs. the competition is the effects available. How hard is it to come up with a basic chorus or flanger since the competition seems to have a large palate of effects available? That being said, Master Fader is incredibly easy to use for a full featured mixing platform.
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I once calculated how many controls are on the dl1608. Came up with the figure of 700. That's about twice the quantity of a MixWiz.
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the 1608 reverb quality is horrible,, the absolute worst I have ever heard on a mixer with "built-in" reverb.
The fact that there are different choices, hall, plate, etc is a joke, it is the same algorithm.
Same complaint about the two types of EQ's, modern and Vintage, same exact processing, just different GUI.
These are my only complaints about what I believe will still be terrible shortcomings in the 32R.
The reverb quality in my Allen & Heath Qu24 is very nice, perfectly acceptable.
As soon as a few people have purchased the 32R and have posted good results,,,, I'm replacing my 1608 with a 32R mainly for recallable preamp gains.
Dan
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From User Voice:
(No Status) → Started
Master Fader 3.0 adds 4 sub groups and 4 VCAs to the DL1608 and DL806.
http://dl32r.mackie.com/
beno
Admin, Mackie
Kind of disappointing. 4 VCAs, fine. But the groups should have been 4 stereo or 8 mono. Basically 2 stereo groups. Meh...
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From User Voice:
(No Status) → Started
Master Fader 3.0 adds 4 sub groups and 4 VCAs to the DL1608 and DL806.
http://dl32r.mackie.com/
beno
Admin, Mackie
Kind of disappointing. 4 VCAs, fine. But the groups should have been 4 stereo or 8 mono. Basically 2 stereo groups. Meh...
Yes Greg, but this will only be version 3.0! Look how the original software developed, hopefully v3.0 will blossom too!!
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Yes Greg, but this will only be version 3.0! Look how the original software developed, hopefully v3.0 will blossom too!!
I doubt it. They'll probably use it to move you to a more expensive product if you want that feature. It's odd they only have 6 subgroups on the DL32. Should have been at least 8 there too. Strange. I wonder if there's not enough DSP there to do it.
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Has anyone RTFM yet? ;)
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Has anyone RTFM yet? ;)
So far there only appears to be a hardware manual. None for MF 3.0
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No expansion evident (slots?) or implied unless I missed something.
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No expansion evident (slots?) or implied unless I missed something.
Dante card?
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Page 23 of hardware manual refers to Dante synchronization status codes.
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Steve,
I am all ears.. (pun) :)
I used to take pictures but with so many repeat "customers shows" without naming the photo it was pointless to me.
How do you create a folder and put "named" pictures on the iPad without the use of a computer and iTunes?
Dan
I found this good explanation on the web:
Take a picture of the gains on the mixer, then:
Go into the top level Photos Album, tap the edit button in the top right corner, (rectangle with an arrow coming out of it), tap the pictures you want to put into a new album, tap the Add To.... button which will highlight after you select a picture or pictures, tap the Add to New Album button that will appear. A New Album dialogue box will appear, type the name you want to give to the new album, tap save.
This will add a new album to the Albums tab in the main photos / camera roll album. Tap the Albums button and you will see the albums you have on your iPad. All photos stay in the Camera Roll album and King_Penguin is correct that iOS creates a pointer in the new album back to the original picture it doesn't create a copy of the picture or move the picture into the new folder and out of the Camera Roll album.
This very simple procedure works perfectly for me, and always puts me in the ballpark area - just as the saved mix does.
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If they did one with faders I'd buy it (assuming it wasn't too much more than the "competition") but no faders leaves it off of my radar :( As it is, I've just ordered an X32 Compact.....
Re MF 3.0 for 1608, get a grip guys, it is what it is, a great little mixer, and anything we get now is a bonus. I'll be keeping mine for the foreseeable future as a backup and for smaller gigs where the tiny footprint is brilliant.
The reverbs are ok, not great, but as good as many and better than some. I wouldn't use them for recording but, for live gigs at smaller events they get the job done at least as well as my old Microverb (which, back in the day, was considered pretty decent).
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I like the option of being able to send an email with a channel patch, to another user, how clever is that,
I would like to wish Ben and all the boys and girls at a mackie the best of luck with the launch,
I wasn't joking about the stand that the rack was on, it looked really solid, who makes them?
Cheers
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Hmm, so after all the fanfare, it looks like there is a long wait until we can actually get our hands on a DL32R, with Gear4Music quoting 10th Feb 2015 as the availability date. Wonder how long until MF3? The mixer I can see taking a while to get to manufacture now the main testing is done with it, but the software shouldn't take that long to get to the distribution stage. If I were to be cynical, I would suggest (and others probably already have) that they saw the threat from PreSonus and the X32 rack was already on the market, thus needed to get something out to keep people's interest.
http://www.gear4music.com/PA-DJ-and-Lighting/Mackie-DL32R-Wireless-Digital-Audio-Mixer/149L?gclid=CjwKEAjww8eiBRCE7qvK9Z7W_DgSJABfOjf2HAQ2tP_oNxLjWvickU2_uo6u8xovQCAMH5k-e3nC_hoCCPnw_wcB
For ages I have managed just fine with 16 channels, but recently I have run into a few gigs where another few would have made my life a lot easier, so need to start considering the options.
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I kinda need 17 channels for one band I'm providing for :( but I can make do :) . Fortunately I don't have a problem with playing break music through the docked iPad :) .
6 vocals
Guitar
Keys
Trumpet direct
Trumpet harmonizer
Sax (not always)
Bass
Kick
Floor
Rack
Snare
Overhead (I can give this up usually, drummer has a vocal mike open anyways)
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Seems to me that I saw somewhere the suggestion that MF 3.0 would be out in November. Don't recall where I saw it, so it might just be wishful thinking. (I'd be wishing.) I am also looking forward to the additional features and wonder how they'll be applied differently for the 1608. We shall see.
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Seems to me that I saw somewhere the suggestion that MF 3.0 would be out in November. Don't recall where I saw it, so it might just be wishful thinking. (I'd be wishing.) I am also looking forward to the additional features and wonder how they'll be applied differently for the 1608. We shall see.
I seem to remember that it was coming this month too, no specific date was given . Think it was announced at the DL32 Webinar live chat before and during the presentation by Beno. Don’t quote me though. Fingers crossed it arrives sooner than later. :)
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Another in depth look at the dl32r posted on the Mackie Facebook page, sweet!!
Maybe you've seen it already? :P
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JenGDFwcTSM