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Opinion poll: Which brand inspires more confidence - Mackie or Behringer?
Jerrylee:
--- Quote from: LeeSteel on April 17, 2013, 11:55:46 AM ---I am very happy with my DL so far. I am just very anxious at this point for it's full potential to be realized. This unit has everything it needs to be way ahead of the pack but it seems as if Mackie is holding it back for some reason.
The iPad offers so much flexibility that Mackie is not taking advantage of like 3rd party plugins (in-store purchase). Hopefully the next release of Master Fader will shed a new ray of hope. This new My Fader is nothing more than a demo or proof of design for me. Just another example of something that could have been so much more. Especially with all the time it has taken them of get it into our hands.
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Lee, seriously what are you thinking? How in the world does this unit have "everything it needs to be way ahead of the pack". Have you not realized that the issue is not iPad based, it is hardware based. There is such a lack of hardware in the dl that mackie will never be able to make up for. They are/were only ahead of the pack for a short while. In my opinion they are right now. This is only because there is nothing out that is comparable. But that is going to end rather quickly. Do you really need me to say what is missing? And what will never be? And what all the competition will be releasing that the dl will never be able to do?
In regards to plug ins this will probably never happen. The processing power of the dl is in the hardware. It has a limited amount of space. The plug in would have to be loaded to the dl through the iPad, but not processed in the iPad itself. Yes there is a way to use the iPad to process some things. But with a 2 in 2 out interface this is extremely limited. Remember that only the master or L/R channels are being passed through. This will never change because it is hardware based. If the plug in is in the iPad then all channels will be processed by the plug in. Or left right channels. And then they are all returned to 2 channels.
The iPad is only a control surface. Therefore things like linking channels, subgroups, mute groups, eq resets, etc should all be possible. All this is control based. The master fader app can be redesigned to do all this. But when it comes to plug ins the hardware (non control based) needs to take over, and it cannot.
The unit is missing so many things that it will never have. Here are just a few: no USB connection, no programmable preamps, limited processing power, no midi I/O, limited 2x2 iPad only interface, no channel expandability, 2 effects processors, etc.
So I ask again, how does this unit have everything in needs to be way ahead of the pack?
LeeSteel:
Jerry, in true "Jerry" fashion, points out everything that this board was never intended to do. Time will tell if a competitor delivers a board that sounds as good as the DL does, in the same small package, at the same price point, and includes all these "nice to haves" that you list.
1. I will agree that channel linking is a big request from.
2. I also need to have AUX sends be pre dynamics.
3. I would have liked my DL to serve dual purpose and act as a recording interface but not a game changer in my case.
4. I don't need midi in my mixer.
5. The current Delay and Reverb are nothing more than plugins. We may be limited to 2 at a time, but we certainly should not be limited to which ones we use or where they came from.
6. One of the biggest things for me that is missing from this mixer is channel inserts, but I bought the DL knowing that ahead of time.
Jerry, you have bashed the DL from the beginning, even before it was released. I can't believe you have followed us here to continue your rant. What seems to be the problem? Is there no Behringer forum for you to blather on?
Jerrylee:
Lee currently I love the dl. I am not bashing it. I am pointing out the obvious. And the obvious flaws in your post. How is that bashing? Please explain this too. Or maybe you can't. Just like you can't defend your prior statements. I sold my presonus for the dl and the dl blows it away (in my opinion) for my needs. Does that mean I bashed presonus?
I will add again that I have been and currently am one of the biggest defenders of the dl1608. Once I called it a pos board. I corrected myself saying that I was referring to the company not the board.
Jerrylee:
--- Quote from: LeeSteel on April 17, 2013, 01:39:50 PM ---Jerry, in true "Jerry" fashion, points out everything that this board was never intended to do. Time will tell if a competitor delivers a board that sounds as good as the DL does, in the same small package, at the same price point, and includes all these "nice to haves" that you list.
1. I will agree that channel linking is a big request from.
2. I also need to have AUX sends be pre dynamics.
3. I would have liked my DL to serve dual purpose and act as a recording interface but not a game changer in my case.
4. I don't need midi in my mixer.
5. The current Delay and Reverb are nothing more than plugins. We may be limited to 2 at a time, but we certainly should not be limited to which ones we use or where they came from.
6. One of the biggest things for me that is missing from this mixer is channel inserts, but I bought the DL knowing that ahead of time.
Jerry, you have bashed the DL from the beginning, even before it was released. I can't believe you have followed us here to continue your rant. What seems to be the problem? Is there no Behringer forum for you to blather on?
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1. I will agree that channel linking is a big request from. (CAN BE DONE)
2. I also need to have AUX sends be pre dynamics. (MAY OR MAY NOT BE POSSIBLE)
3. I would have liked my DL to serve dual purpose and act as a recording interface but not a game changer in my case. (NOT AHEAD OF THE PACK)
4. I don't need midi in my mixer. (YOU MAY NOT NEED IT, BUT AGAIN NOT AHEAD OF THE PACK)
5. The current Delay and Reverb are nothing more than plugins. We may be limited to 2 at a time, but we certainly should not be limited to which ones we use or where they came from. (NOT AHEAD OF THE PACK)
6. One of the biggest things for me that is missing from this mixer is channel inserts, but I bought the DL knowing that ahead of time. (NOT AHEAD OF THE PACK)
Geez you make this easy. Want to try again?
You act like just because you don't need or want it that no one else does. This clearly does not make the mackie have everything it need to be ahead of the pack. Your own list shows that.
sam.spoons:
I have owned or worked with a number of pieces of Mackie and Berhinger gear (Mackie :- 3 x 1202, 1604, and, of course DL1608... Berry :- Eurodesk 8000, loads of gates, compressors and power amps) only failure was one Berry Europower 2400. We've had a worse failure rate with Crown XTi's, between me and the Hire company we own 4, 100% failure rate (and, despite it being a known issue 3 out of the four were expensive chargeable repairs). Also the Crown power amps in our PRX512M's have been troublesome. Just goes to show that reputation can be misleading, I'd have considered Crown way more reliable than Mackie/Berry 5 years ago.
Regarding the DL1608/ahead of the pack.. It is ahead of the pack right now, it must be 'cos their ain't anything else like it available. It won't be ahead of the pack any more when the iX16 comes out, than honour will then pass to the iX16, and from there to whatever follows. It's the way technology works. The DL is not perfect but, if the DL is what you want then it's the only game in town.......
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