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Unofficial Mackie User Forums => DL1608/DL806/DL32R/ProDX Mixers => Topic started by: beno on March 24, 2015, 04:41:45 PM
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Hey All,
We just released Master Fader Classic for DL1608 and DL806 which is essentially Master Fader 2.1. This will be a useful for a variety of users who have a need to stay on the older version. See the blog post for details and requirements.
http://www.mackie.com/enews/products/2015/03/introducing-master-fader-classic/
We hope this is helpful.
Ben
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Hey All,
We just released Master Fader Classic for DL1608 and DL806 which is essentially Master Fader 2.1. This will be a useful for a variety of users who have a need to stay on the older version. See the blog post for details and requirements.
http://www.mackie.com/enews/products/2015/03/introducing-master-fader-classic/
We hope this is helpful.
Ben
Ben,
Let me be the first to say a big thank you!!!!!! :thu: :thu: Is My Fader 2.X going to be available to download as well?
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Thanks Ben ;)
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Don't know if I'll be using it, but there will be people here who will want to kiss you!
Thanks Beno
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Hey All,
We just released Master Fader Classic for DL1608 and DL806 which is essentially Master Fader 2.1. This will be a useful for a variety of users who have a need to stay on the older version. See the blog post for details and requirements.
http://www.mackie.com/enews/products/2015/03/introducing-master-fader-classic/
We hope this is helpful.
Ben
Ben,
Let me be the first to say a big thank you!!!!!! :thu: :thu: Is My Fader 2.X going to be available to download as well?
My Fader v2.1 will remain on the App Store alongside My Fader v3.0. If you choose to use Master Fader Classic, you will need to use My Fader v2.1. Here's the link to My Fader v2.1 on the App Store: https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/mackie-my-fader/id599029732?mt=8
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Bloody brilliant, who says Mackoids don't listen ;D
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To rebut my statement asking about the availability of My Fader 2X, I found out that it's the only version of My Fader on the Apple Canada sight. My Fader 3 is only available on the Apple US sight. I had to use the link BenO provided to download My Fader 3.
I had to actually paste the US link into Safari to be directed to the Apple US site for My Fader 3. :eek: But I can get Master Fader 3.X on the Canadian site.
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Well a welcome solution for some users, the iOS 7.1 requirement would preclude use of an iPad 1, and would obviously exclude some users/owners of such iDevices of compatibility with the DL806/1608. Curious as to why such a requirement for this MF Classic 2.1.1 version versus the MF 2.1.1 that previously functioned fully on any iPad 1 operating under iOS 5.xx.
Nonetheless, Congrats to Mackie for responding to the market and user base. :)
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To rebut my statement asking about the availability of My Fader 2X, I found out that it's the only version of My Fader on the Apple Canada sight. My Fader 3 is only available on the Apple US sight. I had to use the link BenO provided to download My Fader 3.
I had to actually paste the US link into Safari to be directed to the Apple US site for My Fader 3. :eek: But I can get Master Fader 3.X on the Canadian site.
I will have to have Beno check into that...
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Well a welcome solution for some users, the iOS 7.1 requirement would preclude use of an iPad 1, and would obviously exclude some users/owners of such iDevices of compatibility with the DL806/1608. Curious as to why such a requirement for this MF Classic 2.1.1 version versus the MF 2.1.1 that previously functioned fully on any iPad 1 operating under iOS 5.xx.
Nonetheless, Congrats to Mackie for responding to the market and user base. :)
Even though the Master Fader Classic app is essentially MF2.1, it had to be resubmitted. So, it was subject to App Store requirements, etc. We are working on a path for apps moving forward that will hopefully eliminate issues like this. But, we really wanted Classic out there, even with that compromise.
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Well a welcome solution for some users, the iOS 7.1 requirement would preclude use of an iPad 1, and would obviously exclude some users/owners of such iDevices of compatibility with the DL806/1608. Curious as to why such a requirement for this MF Classic 2.1.1 version versus the MF 2.1.1 that previously functioned fully on any iPad 1 operating under iOS 5.xx.
Nonetheless, Congrats to Mackie for responding to the market and user base. :)
Even though the Master Fader Classic app is essentially MF2.1, it had to be resubmitted. So, it was subject to App Store requirements, etc. We are working on a path for apps moving forward that will hopefully eliminate issues like this. But, we really wanted Classic out there, even with that compromise.
Not sure what happened, but we confirmed My Fader 3 available on the Canada App Store. Here's the link: https://itunes.apple.com/ca/app/mackie-my-fader-3/id963966072?mt=8
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The search on the app store has been pretty wonky the last couple/few weeks IME.
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Well a welcome solution for some users, the iOS 7.1 requirement would preclude use of an iPad 1, and would obviously exclude some users/owners of such iDevices of compatibility with the DL806/1608. Curious as to why such a requirement for this MF Classic 2.1.1 version versus the MF 2.1.1 that previously functioned fully on any iPad 1 operating under iOS 5.xx.
Nonetheless, Congrats to Mackie for responding to the market and user base. :)
Even though the Master Fader Classic app is essentially MF2.1, it had to be resubmitted. So, it was subject to App Store requirements, etc. We are working on a path for apps moving forward that will hopefully eliminate issues like this. But, we really wanted Classic out there, even with that compromise.
Not sure what happened, but we confirmed My Fader 3 available on the Canada App Store. Here's the link: https://itunes.apple.com/ca/app/mackie-my-fader-3/id963966072?mt=8
Not sure what's going on, but Google on Safari is still showing the old link to the older version. But that's okay. And a big thank you for the updated link. :thu:
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I will have to have Beno check into that...
And so, curious if you are under the employ of Mackoid Central ? If so, an introduction would be appropriate. Thank you
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To rebut my statement asking about the availability of My Fader 2X, I found out that it's the only version of My Fader on the Apple Canada sight. My Fader 3 is only available on the Apple US sight. I had to use the link BenO provided to download My Fader 3.
I had to actually paste the US link into Safari to be directed to the Apple US site for My Fader 3. :eek: But I can get Master Fader 3.X on the Canadian site.
I will have to have Beno check into that...
And so, curious if you are under the employ of Mackoid Central ? If so, an introduction would be appropriate. Thank you
Hi James,
I presume you are referring to rmcassady ? :) If so, I am curious too, for conversation sake. ;)
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Yes KM, I was referring to rmcassady.
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A simple "Google" of "rmcassady" gets you the name "Ryan Cassady" and a "Google" of that gets you here:
https://www.linkedin.com/pub/ryan-cassady/6/a14/a
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Thanks Ben! Because you listened and responded with this classic version, I am no longer interested in the competitions offerings.
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Yes KM, I was referring to rmcassady.
8)
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I will have to have Beno check into that...
And so, curious if you are under the employ of Mackoid Central ? If so, an introduction would be appropriate. Thank you
Yep, I am the Creative Manager for Mackie and work in the Marketing group. I started with Mackie almost 10 years ago in tech support. I am pretty much the sole writer for Mackie, aside from tech docs like manuals, I do print ads, all social media and all kinds of other stuff.
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Thank you so much for allowing the users that desire to revert back to be able to do so.
It's really nice to see some new avenues of direct communication from Mackie & loud.
While we often rant and complain, most us here are big fans and supporters of the product. And it really
helps us justify our dedication when you (Ryan and Ben ) chime in and let us know your out here in the trenches with us supporting the product and users. More good will is done thru communication then by any other means and its folks like us.....the end users that spread the word about products , both good and bad.
So please keep in communication with info, good or bad.
Thanks again...now if we can fix the multiple sync issues and battery drain we would be another step in the right direction. 😉
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I'm happy 'cos either I'll be able to keep my DL1608 and use it for little gigs and for 'numpties' to run (preferred choice), or, very reluctantly, sell it to other numpties for them to use (I must stress I'm using the term 'numptie' here as a benign word to describe "non-tech-savvay" musos, it's not meant as derogatory in any way whatsoever. There are many such "non-tech-savvay" musos out there and the DL offers them the chance to use the amazing facilities of a digital mixer without resorting to the "Soundscape abomination". ;D
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THANK YOU MACKIE!!
This really couldn't have come at a more opportune time for me. I have a band that is changing a few members, and they use My Fader to control their In Ear mixes. The new members have wanted to download the My Fader app, and have asked me what to do.
Until now, I was at a loss. I currently run Master Fader 2.1.1 on both DL1608s that we use, and don't want to upgrade as there are some musos I work with who have "iPad 1"s.
Last night I was able to direct these new bandmates to the correct version of My Fader that will work with the software version I am using.
Very cool. I am pleased. Carry on...
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I’m very pleased that there’s an option now with Master Fader Classic and My Fader 2.X. For all those that didn’t really want to switch up, or really need to go back. I have both of these on my iPads in a new folder named DL1608 Retro, so there’s no confusion with the new versions. They are there for just in case. I don’t really see a need to go back since I like the new features in MF 3.X. Like I said before…
Good work Mackie! 8)
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Hey All,
We just released Master Fader Classic for DL1608 and DL806 which is essentially Master Fader 2.1. This will be a useful for a variety of users who have a need to stay on the older version. See the blog post for details and requirements.
http://www.mackie.com/enews/products/2015/03/introducing-master-fader-classic/
We hope this is helpful.
Ben
G'day Ben. And thanks for giving the end users this option. I'm 100% sure it will be positively received.
I'm perfectly happy with MF3. Great new features, and it works smoothly on my iPad mini 2 and iPad Air 2 so I have no need to go back to an earlier version of MF.
My only concern is that the MF2 Classic version doesn't also come with the built in White noise issue that plagued some of us?
I've not had one single incident of white noise since updating to MF 3, but prior to that on MF 2 the White noise was consistent EVERY time I tried to play music from the docked iPad. Which obviously meant my 16 channel mixer was really only a 14 channel mixer.
Anyway I've got all my fingers and toes crossed for those end users who revert to MF2 Classic that they won't have to deal with the White noise thing. :)
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Sounds like Master Fader Classic was recompiled and linked with the latest tools and libraries, so hopefully that makes it a bit better than it was?
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I'm considering it, I find the monitors more difficult to access in version 3 and there are many items in the long board I will never use, sub groups, VCA's etc.
However, on the apple site it states that the classic version will not be upgraded or debugged, "ever", so no future improvements - we will never get a decent reverb. Not on this version.
Has anyone here gone back and if so, any issues?
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I was running them side-by-side last night - "classic" sure is a whole lot less Fugly. I really like the longer faders, and visible dB scales. OTOH V3 isn't any more Fugly than the X-Air app - but I'd think that Mackie would want to at least have the friendlier looking app on the DL1608 if they can't match the X-Air's other features like multichannel recording, remote control trims, HUGE selection of quality FX.
I suspect Mackie had to choose between developing an app that can support all the DL mixers or discontinuing work on a DL1608 compatible app so I guess we "lucked out" and shouldn't be whining about V3 :-\ .
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RR so you're saying that Mackie can't afford to develop two similar software products. Oh that poor Mackie let's all take up a collection so they can. ;)
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I think that Mackie's software development team isn't huge and there isn't a huge budget. Software development, debugging and distribution isn't easy and it isn't cheap and it's easy to be overwhelmed. I think that most digital mixer companies serving the lower end community is going to have similar problems. Now if we're willing to double the price we're willing to pay for Mackie's mixers or willing to pay $200 for each major upgrade, Mackie will probably be willing to increase their software development budget. I would have paid that much for Master Fader 3. I'd pay that much for MF 4. (Though, $100 would be more in line with DAW upgrades that I've paid for in the past.) I've got a much better mixer than what I paid for 18 months ago. More stable and the only serious problem, in my mind, has been cured. Everything worth putting on an ipad isn't always free or a buck. Some of the really good stuff will set you back more. Want great software? Get your wallet out.
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Wynnd you're preaching to the choir. Give Mackie another $200 and they'll put it in their profit column and tell you to go fetch. It's all about a company philosophy and Mackie is all about profit.
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It could happen. Loud Tech is a penny stock with a 52 week high of 10 cents and low of 1 cent. I'm pretty sure they don't have much of a development budget. (They also didn't issue a dividend last year.) The fact that they are still developing anything new is a tribute to some very small teams of designers. Of course if they don't develop anything new, they will be toast. On the other hand, if we only will pay for software upgrades, that would be a direct incentive to improve that department.
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You have to be fair, if they put all the money in to developing apps for the Dl, there would be no cash left for all them smashing active speakers they make.
;)
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You forgot all those competitors mixers they keep throwing of the roof. We also won't want them to cut their beer budget at Red Hook brewery. ;D
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I'm considering it, I find the monitors more difficult to access in version 3 and there are many items in the long board I will never use, sub groups, VCA's etc.
However, on the apple site it states that the classic version will not be upgraded or debugged, "ever", so no future improvements - we will never get a decent reverb. Not on this version.
Has anyone here gone back and if so, any issues?
I've reverted, first to MF2.1.1 by restoring my iPad from a backup (the only I could get my shows back) and I've just installed MFC, connect it to the DL and my current show (the only one that really matters) now on MFC too.
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I'm considering it, I find the monitors more difficult to access in version 3 and there are many items in the long board I will never use, sub groups, VCA's etc.
However, on the apple site it states that the classic version will not be upgraded or debugged, "ever", so no future improvements - we will never get a decent reverb. Not on this version.
Has anyone here gone back and if so, any issues?
I've gone back to classic, works fine, not so laggy and doesn't seem to disconnect so often. Also, a band I was mixing the other day wanted their manager to mix and I was able to teach him to use the app in a couple of minutes, rather than struggle with 3.01.
Cheers,
Dan
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Yes, 2.x is simpler and has a more intuitive UI ... but there is a lot more functionality in 3.x and eventually Mackie will clean up the UI issues. And, as long as there is a legacy version to maintain it will draw resources away from new version development. I would rather see Mackie clean up the 3.x issues sooner than keep 2.x around.
I personally used 3.x for the first this time past week ... never used VCAs before and they were extremely helpful.
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I can understand keeping classic around for older ipads and people who prefer the simpler controls. (Lag has never been an issue for me.) As I understand it, there will not be any further development of MF classic. So it shouldn't be distracting from further development of MF 3.x
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Oracle has 800 people in it's Sustaining Engineering department ... ;)
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My Wife is a data base developer and has worked with Oracle. Everything there is built for low latency. Personally, I'm amazed at the level of complexity being used for speed. (Built for very large databases.)
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4 gigs back in 2.1 and it's great. When I went to 3 I was keen on the new stuff but when I returned to 2.1 it was "like gettin outa jail". So easy and logical, runs like a clock!
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I reverted to MF Classic and, for me at least, it provides just the right balance of features and simplicity. I may have a play with MF3 again but MFC is pretty much perfect for my needs. If I need more I'll break out the X32s 8)
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I'm wondering if I need both. Sometimes I have help and classic would help there. I don't want to go back. I've gotten used to 3.x but boy are there a lot of screens. Maybe a better possible option is a single wide sideways scrollable channel control that incorporates, PEQ, Outputs, Groups and VCAs, effects and Gate and compression. It's a thought
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Just use access limit so the "help" don't get in to deep :-)