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Unofficial Mackie User Forums => DL1608/DL806/DL32R/ProDX Mixers => Topic started by: beno on July 01, 2015, 02:56:01 PM
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Hey All,
Master Fader 3.2 and My Fader 3.2 have been released.
Master Fader 3.2 Release Notes
Be sure to perform a full System Backup of Master Fader before updating the app from the Tools>Settings view. After updating the app, the mixer firmware will also need to be updated. This will happen when you next connect Master Fader to your DL Series mixer. Please ensure you have enough time for both before your next gig.
Master Fader 3.2 adds the following New Features and Enhancements:
• The DL32R can now record and playback 32x32 channels to and from the external hard drive. Note DL32R users will NOT be able to downgrade to 3.1 after updating their mixer firmware to 3.2 because of this change to the recording module (But why would you want to?).
• Added new Mic Pre view for DL32R allowing adjustment of all 32 mic pre gains and 48V enables at once.
• Enhanced VCA display. Now, when a channel is assigned to a VCA, a semi-transparent fader cap is also shown so users can see level changes caused by VCAs on the input channel itself. Additionally, if a VCA is muted or soloed, assigned channels will now show that they are being remotely muted or soloed.
• Enhanced Retail Mode with integrated demo videos and auto reset to demo show
• Enhanced performance of recalling snapshots
• Reduced overall memory usage improving performance, especially for users with large number of shows or shows with lots of images
• Added quick select of All or None for access limits
• Added Reset Shows and Presets Option to Tools>Settings>System Backup Menu
• Airplay can now be used while also using Master Fader
• The DL32R USB drive "Refresh" button is now only available when a drive is in the "Ejected" state (enhancement)
• Enhanced Mic Pre Gain sliders to accurately convey step value
• Moved user file storage to App Group allowing for future enhancements
• Switched to the latest iOS8 SDK and building for 64bit
Master Fader 3.2 fixed the following bugs:
• Fixed issue where channel safes did not protect even numbered aux sends after they were unlinked
• Fixed issue where access limiting the even channel of a linked output didn't limit access to the pair
• Fixed issue where some Flash drives weren't recognized on the DL32R
• Fixed issue where replacing user presets would makes the name and icon disappear
• Fixed issue where files could be recorded incorrectly on the DL32R if using a name with a space at the beginning or end
• Fixed a variety of issues with popovers showing slowly and the wrong size
• Fixed issue where switching between mixer's online and offline states could cause the meters to freeze showing signal when none is present
• Fixed issue where the Now Playing icon could appear incorrectly
• Fixed issue where the music play once, loop & shuffle icons would flash after an HDD was ejected on the DL32R
• Fixed issue with the DL32R where Music and Multitrack file details were not displayed in the tracklist
• Fixed issue where refreshing/ejecting the DL32R hard drive with multiple iPad connected could disconnect some of them
• Fixed issue where the DL32R recording view would still show the last file played after the drive is ejected
• Fixed issue where the DL32R Eject & Format buttons were briefly enabled during playback between playlist songs
• Fixed issue where the DL32R Loop Once icon briefly appears enabled when it is actually disabled
• Lots of other small fixes
My Fader 3.2 Release Notes
My Fader 3.2 requires Mackie Master Fader v3.2. Be sure to perform a full System Backup of Master Fader before updating the app from the Tools>Settings view. After updating the Master Fader, the mixer firmware will also need to be updated. This will happen when you next connect Master Fader to your DL Series mixer. Please ensure you have enough time for both before your next gig.
My Fader 3.2 adds the following New Features and Enhancements:
• Enhanced VCA display. Now, when a channel is assigned to a VCA, a semi-transparent fader cap is also shown so users can see level changes caused by VCAs on the input channel itself. Additionally, if a VCA is muted or soloed, assigned channels will now show that they are being remotely muted or soloed.
• Enhanced performance of recalling snapshots
• Reduced overall memory usage improving performance, especially for users with large number of shows or shows with lots of images
• Added quick select of All or None for access limits
• Switched to the latest iOS8 SDK and building for 64bit
My Fader 3.2 fixed the following bugs:
• Fixed issue where channel safes did not protect even numbered aux sends after they were unlinked
• Fixed issue where access limiting the even channel of a linked output didn't limit access to the pair
• Fixed issue where using My Fader on an iPad could show a black bar across the UI
• Fixed issue where switching between mixer's online and offline states could cause the meters to freeze showing signal when none is present
• Lots of other small fixes
Enjoy, and let us know if you discover any issues.
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Haven't seen much in the way for the 806/1608. But just tried it on my old iPad 2 and in my perception some of the lag has disappeared, sort of. Looks a little more responsive. Now have to upgrade the other iDevices and the mixer firmware. See how everything works together. ;)
Note: All the updates and firmware update went smoothly. Nothing melted down! :mrgreen:
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Thanks, Ben. the 32 channel recording is a great addition. I'm looking forward to trying that.
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Oooo, those VCA 'ghosts' are rather cool! Also the swiping the channel section is much smoother than before on my iPad2. Happy days :-)
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I wouldn't have thought about that, but the VCA ghosts are very cool. Nice work to the development team.
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What i really like are the fantastic new reverbs , the RTAs, all the other cool stuff from user voice (remember that Beno?)....oh hang on ....sorry wrong forum. Must be the heat. 40C° here today, getting delirious. 8) 8) 8)
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I have to agree where's the real breakthroughs? :-\ New verbs have been on the list since the 1608 were first introduced. I have added a tc rack verb to my rig for this reason. I have done many shows with my dl1608 and with only minor issues.
If mackie would make a way to hard connect the dl32r to a PC/Mac I would have already bought one. But I cannot rely purely on a wireless router. Especially if I'm mixing another band and lose control and have no safety net to speak of. I've had a router go out on me and thankfully I had the dock next to me on stage but it left our foh guy having no control until I could reset the router on break.
I think it's time for mackie to let their software go open source so the users can try their hands at updates and tweaks. Especially for android & PC/Mac. I will give it to mackie for their user friendly interface. It's a breeze to work on compared to other companies Beh... But it's just a matter of a learning curve for more features.
But I have reached the point of beginning to search for another mixer with larger input count and scalability. Unfortunately mackie is not number 1 on that list currently. I can't purchase something on hopes and dreams of updates.
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I am hoping that Mackie is going to come out with a firmware update, hopefully soon that will enable you to connect a laptop directly to the onboard Ethernet port on both DL platforms. MF would then have to be multi OS, Windows, Mac, Android, Linux and iOS or even HTML5 based. This would be the smart way to go. There shouldn’t have to be any hardware changes to facilitate this feature. Only time will tell.
Hope lies eternal I guess, or gonna just have to switch to another product? :(
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KM are you playing MegaMillions, you''ll have a better chance at winning than Mackie doing something smart. ;D
pytchley they're blaming that new compiler switch it turned all those new features into comments. >:D Next time.
Zapme I'm gona have to zap you to get you back to reality. Open source ? :lol:
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There sure is a lot of Bitchin going on. Beno released a software upgrade. It's good. It doesn't have every item requested, but no update will ever have every item requested. (From any manufacturer.) We should be thankful that there was a timely update that looks like updates are supposed to look. Personally, I think software development is moving well for the DL line. (And yes, i'm hoping for a wired solution for the DL32R too.) But thanks again Beno. We'll be looking forward for the next update.
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Maybe Wynnd actually is Beno?
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No. But I would like to meet him. My Wife and I met studying computer science in 1979. PL1, Assembler..... She's currently a database developer for a National firm. I had a computer store in 1984. Been a PC/Network tech. So I've seen the software development side of things. I wonder if all the complaining is that others don't get how hard it can be to create bug free software that never fails. Buggy software is pretty easy. I'd rather Mackie's team do it right and not put stuff out that has serious problems. They're getting it right and the turn over of fixed issues isn't fast enough for some. Some patience could go a long way.
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I’m honestly quite happy with the DL1608 as it is. Don’t use 90% of the new features and it’s not a big deal for me. Direct connectivity to a laptop would be nice, but not an issue. But if you look at all the improvements that were just released, the majority was really for the DL32, which probably most certainly needed them. I can use the DL as it is without any more improvements until it or I die first. No issue.
It’s obvious to me that any new improvements are going to be geared primarily for the 32 it’s only logical. That’s as it should be. How many more in reality can happen to the 1608 before there has to be a major hardware change? Like I said the 1608 is a good little package as it stands, we are all going to wish for something more to make what we have better. I think that’s just natural.
If it doesn’t happen that’s perfectly fine. And if you eventually become dissatisfied with your current hardware, it’s probably time to move on to greener pastures. And once that happens, we can all start complaining once more about this new gadget and its downfalls. 8)
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I agree that the DL32R is the future. I'd expect a DL16R in the not so distant future where all the software improvements for the 32 can be applied to the 16. Two things that probably should be addressed soon are a wired connection to the mixer and some sort of at least backup to a computer. (Probably end up being the tablet anyway.) Very good points KM. I'm using most of the features at some level. Don't use compression very much and I use gates much less. But I don't think there's anything in the software that doesn't get used now.
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There sure is a lot of Bitchin going on. Beno released a software upgrade. It's good. It doesn't have every item requested, but no update will ever have every item requested. (From any manufacturer.) We should be thankful that there was a timely update that looks like updates are supposed to look. Personally, I think software development is moving well for the DL line. (And yes, i'm hoping for a wired solution for the DL32R too.) But thanks again Beno. We'll be looking forward for the next update.
I second this post !!!!
A hardwire connection to a laptop would be great though, although there will be more complaining if the ethernet port is used for the laptop...that should stay connected to the wireless router.
Thank you Ben!
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There sure is a lot of Bitchin going on. Beno released a software upgrade. It's good. It doesn't have every item requested, but no update will ever have every item requested. (From any manufacturer.) We should be thankful that there was a timely update that looks like updates are supposed to look. Personally, I think software development is moving well for the DL line. (And yes, i'm hoping for a wired solution for the DL32R too.) But thanks again Beno. We'll be looking forward for the next update.
I second this post !!!!
A hardwire connection to a laptop would be great though, although there will be more complaining if the ethernet port is used for the laptop...that should stay connected to the wireless router.
Thank you Ben!
The Netgear router that I use (can't remember the model off-hand) has a built in network switch as well. In any event, with the user of even a small, 4-port switch, it would be trivial to connect the router, computer, and mixer all at the same time.
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A hardwire connection to a laptop would be great though, although there will be more complaining if the ethernet port is used for the laptop...that should stay connected to the wireless router.
Dunno what carp router you're using but most give you 3 more ports when you connect them to the DL ...
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I would think that even the current model Airport Express would allow connection to the DL32R and a computer at the same time. (Without using WiFi. But what current laptop doesn't come with WiFi?)
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You could just use an Ethernet port on your wireless router. There's been many times I've thought about a iPad emulator on PC.
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The iPad can actually connect wired to a network - but it's undocumented. Apple added it after a disastrous demo FUBAR. AFAIK Apple now does all of their big demos wired.
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At first glance 3.2 looks like a good minor release.
I've been loving the VCAs since they showed up in v3. The ghost faders in 3.2 not only look cool, but they are useful.
I still have two issues I would love to see dealt with:
* recording to a USB stick instead of a docked iPad. It would be really nice if we could do this. I hate "wasting" an iPad for recording. And I don't want to hook up another iDevice ... it's a pain to get the files off, and you can't just hand it off to someone after the recording is finished.
* rack mount form factor ... I'm still toying with the idea of ripping my DL1608 apart and cramming it into a 2U rack chassis, adding a couple of frills like RCA ins and outs and trying something different with the iPad connection. The DL32R is far more capable, but it's too big, needs a huge case. I use all Xrack shallow racks, and none of my other equipment comes anywhere close to filling those enclosures. The Behringer xAir has a great compact form factor, but the app is too limited in functionality. Looking for something better here from Mackie, includng a DL rack conversion kit if they care to offer one.
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There is a kind of connected option with the DL1608 sort of. If you have 2 iPads, you can leave one iPad docked in case the wireless goes down. It may be inconvenient depending on the location of the mixer at the venue, but you do have a fallback option. ;)
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There is a kind of connected option with the DL1608 sort of. If you have 2 iPads, you can leave one iPad docked in case the wireless goes down. It may be inconvenient depending on the location of the mixer at the venue, but you do have a fallback option. ;)
That's what I currently do -- use two iPads. I don't want to have to waste an iPad just for the recording. And I'm not going to hand over an iPad to the video guy just so I can give him a copy of my recording. So I use an external recorder for that.
I would rather just be able to plug a $5 USB stick into the board and be done with it.
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They state that the "Enhanced VCA" is supported on all DL models. Incorrect, only the DL32R.
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They state that the "Enhanced VCA" is supported on all DL models. Incorrect, only the DL32R.
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How do you mean looks on my dl1608 to be working also???
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If the enhanced VCA is referring to the ghosts, that's working on the DL1608. Otherwise, what do they mean by enhanced VCA?
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I did a music festival yesterday and noticed a little bit of strange behaviour where MasterFader would lock up with static levels showing on only one or two channels and restarting it was required. Typically, it happened when the wifi signal started to drop off. Has anyone else experienced anything similar?
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I upgraded to Master Fader V3.2 and 8.4 of IOS , and having now serious issues with freezing of my iPad 2 while trying to access any presets page on my DL1608 .. Last gig on open air show was a nightmare !
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I did a music festival yesterday and noticed a little bit of strange behaviour where MasterFader would lock up with static levels showing on only one or two channels and restarting it was required. Typically, it happened when the wifi signal started to drop off. Has anyone else experienced anything similar?
The same here !!!
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Got an ipad2 didnt have any problems
But dont know if i did upgade to ios8.4 after the gig or before
I know for sure that i did the mf3.2 update because i used the ghost faders
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Tried my iPad 2 docked with all the latest iOS and DL firmware and MF 3.2 is even more erratic than it was before in my perception.
It’s not earth shattering since the iPad Air 2 is so much better running MF than my older one. I would rather not use the older one except docked as a backup. Again I think it's all in the eyes of the beholder.
I’m primarily putting it down to the slower CPU and system memory of the iPad 2 that is causing this issue for me.
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Tried my iPad 2 docked with all the latest iOS and DL firmware and MF 3.2 is even more erratic than it was before in my perception. Almost not worth using it except as only backup if the wireless craps out.
I use my iPad Air 2 for main wireless control and it works fine. I wouldn't want to rely solely on the iPad 2 and the current updates for running a major show just now. :facepalm:
Can you provide more info? What exactly are you seeing here? Any video?
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Hi Ben,
Thanks for the concern, I will shoot you an email. 8)
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I'll have to try and recreate it and get a video. Mine was particularly bad when swapping between screens.
It was almost like the previous version had a tolerance of low signal strength and that was stripped out of this version making it a bit less resilient to signal drop out.
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Note iOS8.4 completely changed how it handled WiFi connections switching from DiscoveryD to MDNSResponder. So I am not surprised if there are some differences to wireless operation. In general though it should be way better because DiscoveryD was kind of a turd and responsible for loads of issues with dropped connections in iOS8.
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Beno, Is there a preferred technique for WiFi setup on ios 8.4? (I'll do a bit of surfing and see what others are saying about it too.)
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It should be no different. I just wanted to bring to the point that things have changed in the OS so the experience with your apps may change as well. Something to keep an eye on as a group.
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I've never been that convinced by the wi-fi on the iPad and I am sure it is the cause of a few issues I have experienced.
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They state that the "Enhanced VCA" is supported on all DL models. Incorrect, only the DL32R.
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How do you mean looks on my dl1608 to be working also???
Actually, I was trying it in demo mode (which worked on the DL32R demo mode). Once I updated the firmware on my console, it's seems to be working now ;)
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Here is a video from last night. I was sat still not that far from the wireless mixer and you can see the signal strength going up and down something chronic and MasterFader regularly resynching: http://youtu.be/wvyYmf8VV1g
However, it didn't lock up this time, but I have a feeling that was on my other iPad (though both running the same iOS and MF versions).
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The video is marked as private, so I can't see it.
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Thanks for letting me know.
How odd, the privacy settings are for public and I didn't have any issues last time. Do try again and let me know if you have the same issue?
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I can view the video OK - thanks
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Here is a video from last night. I was sat still not that far from the wireless mixer and you can see the signal strength going up and down something chronic and MasterFader regularly resynching: http://youtu.be/wvyYmf8VV1g
However, it didn't lock up this time, but I have a feeling that was on my other iPad (though both running the same iOS and MF versions).
Saw your video. That would be just a little unnerving in a live situation. :eek:
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The very reason I don't consider the DL32R as pro equipment and until there is a reliable control Pro's will never set themselves up for problems such as this.
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This was an extreme example and when I moved to another location (oddly without line of sight to the router) I had no issues what-so-ever. Thankfully, the worst that's happened to me in relation to re-sync is having some reverb on between songs.
WK, it is a fair point and in looking at what I would consider for increasing my channel count, I suspect the DL32R may get overlooked.
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"The very reason I don't consider the DL32R as pro equipment"
You are (of course) entitled to your opinion, but we get paid every weekend to mix with a DL32R. Are we not pros? <- note: no apostrophe
And the Allen Heath stays in storage :)
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This was an extreme example and when I moved to another location (oddly without line of sight to the router) I had no issues what-so-ever. Thankfully, the worst that's happened to me in relation to re-sync is having some reverb on between songs.
WK, it is a fair point and in looking at what I would consider for increasing my channel count, I suspect the DL32R may get overlooked.
Good to hear it was only at that location. Still makes you a little squirrely though. Even at home, when you move around with the laptop/tablet/iPhone on wireless, you can see the signal strength change. Of course at home you don't worry too much about it.
Whether DL1608, 32 or whatever you use as a professional, I always say that if you can get through the whole gig without a major catastrophe, it's a good gig. The minor problems are just a "Meh" ;)
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"The very reason I don't consider the DL32R as pro equipment"
You are (of course) entitled to your opinion, but we get paid every weekend to mix with a DL32R. Are we not pros? <- note: no apostrophe
And the Allen Heath stays in storage :)
The only reason I don't consider myself to be a "professional" is that it is not my main employment, doesn't mean I treat it with any less professionalism though :-)
KM - absolutely! It was a weird little patch where the signal would drop out. Good thing is how fast resyncs occur.
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There's a lot of pride of craft among sound engineers.
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Did a show last night and for this band all I ever provide is my iPad, I connect to the bands DL32 and handle FOH mix. I had updated my iPad to 3.2 and they had not updated their iPads or system firmware yet.
I was concerned I would experience a connectivity problem but had no problem whatsoever. Everything synced fine and had no drop outs or wifi connectivity issues.
It's nice when everything works and I get to play with the DL32 instead of my regular 1608.
Best yet, I get paid full rate and only have to carry 1-iPad.
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Spotted another issue over this weekend whilst doing a two day music festival, which was multi-gesture induced lag. Basically, where I was running two channels that were related and I was using two fingers to move their respective faders they would become very laggy and then continue moving (ghosting) after I had taken my fingers off, making smooth fading and level setting difficult.
This happened across all the iPads I was using on the system at the time, one docked, two on wireless.
Once I have unloaded all my gear I'll get a video.
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Hi,
I too have seen the faders-losing-their-minds.
Fast work-around was to go to another screen that didn't show any of those channels and then back to the channel view. For me, this cleared the fault.
Thanks and good health, Weogo
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That would sound like a redrawing issue. There's a piece of me that still thinks that most of the lags are being caused by using real math where integer math is a better choice. (Does anyone know if the ipad's processor has a built in real math co processor or if it's just software enabling it to handle real math?) All the visual scales are under 300. Integer math is good to 32,000. (+ or -)
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Onward and upward to V3.2.1 :mrgreen:
http://cacophony.aspinock.com/index.php?topic=1032.0