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Anyone using LD Maui 28 systems or Bose L1

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kencasino:
Thanks, I was considering the Beta 58, but figured I had better use the one the lead singer liked ;) I have caught enough hell from the band over the DL, the in-ears, and the Array, if you know what I mean.  the average age in the band is around 65 so nuff said?

WK154:
Well sounds like your well into teaching old dogs new tricks so why stop there. Next stop would be head mikes such as Garth's Crown CM-11 or just a countryman. That way it doesn't matter where they're pointing their heads or mics. Feedback will be significantly reduced.  It does prevent using the mic for different effects if they're into that.
I'm aware that I'm a day late and a dollar short on the Maui 28 buy's but for those contemplating a buy first educate yourself on this technology. It seems that the latest fad is a repackaging of arrays and subs that have been around for ages. One of the "shipping soon" entries from TurboSound iP2000 has some new signal delivery features. I'm a fan of repackaging for convenience especially with wheels (my friends at 74) , but sound still has to come first. The only new approach to this has been at the high end with arena sound systems ( DSP processing systems) or this
 http://www.xlrtechs.com/dbkeele.com/CBT.php 
 JBL holds the patents on this and they offer arrays in the CBT series the rest are just the straight arrays some with twists but no new science behind it. There are companies out there trying to sell you on the idea that they defy the laws of physics but don't buy into that.
Grec C. I would have agreed with you on the genera until last night when I went to a performance of the "Home Free" a Capella group. I would have to say that they would be just another group without a significant amount of subs. The four part harmony with a bass that on a good day can hit 30Hz and a Beat-boxer that can almost match him was awesome. So it depends on the talent's range not the genera because the a Capella women's group I do sound for can barely hit 120Hz. Subs do nothing for them.

Kev tyler:
Hi William

I know exactly what you are saying about the popularity of these line array or whatever you want to call these vertical columns, but for me it was not a fad, I build a lot of cabs,  and always use a minimum of a bi amped rig at all my gigs, the problem at the type of venue that the Maui is ideally intended for in my opinion ( restaurants) is that conventional rigs look ugly and often sound rotten, and the people are often there to eat and not listen to a singer.  I can only liken the sound of a good pa set really low to driving a Porsche everywhere at ten miles an hour, imho people sitting by a sub with a 15 and 2 mid top, on top get an ear bashing whilst those on the back hear nothing. So a few years ago I built a column pa and it sounded better at lower volume and did throw better than a conventional rig, so it was just a matter of time for me that I would splash the cash and buy a proper version. I wouldn't dare do a big gig with my single Maui, I think it would suffer, but I am really happy with it in a 70 seat restaurant or average bar, which here I Spain is the size of a double garage. So it's horses for courses I guess.

Cheers

Kev

kencasino:
Kev, I don't know the exact science of figuring it out, but adding the second one really makes a huge difference in the sound.  I know that these  are made for a smaller audience, but I have watched a friend for over a year running two Bose rigs and they were really loud. any venue that we play that has 200 or more seating has a house system.  I cannot think of a venue that we have played in the last five years that two of these would not suffice.  I think that they were made especially for me and our band of old men. http://rowdyjohnsonband.com/presskit/index.htm

WK154:
Ken the tech answer for a second speaker set is all of 3dB **. This is the best scenario since it could also reduce the room sound with phase issues. Best results probably in outdoor use since it provides more distribution and less feedback. In small indoor venues I'd go with a 44 instead of two 28's IMHO. Placement of these unit's behind the performers is simply asking for trouble as you can attest to but suggested by the manufacturers such as Bose ::).
I wish Rowdy the best with his recent problem.
** correction we are talking about a line array which will give you 6dB as opposed to regular speaker types 3dB.
That CRS syndrome gets around.

No worries
Bill
P.S. the above link is broken, needs /index

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