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Unofficial Mackie User Forums => DL1608/DL806/DL32R/ProDX Mixers => Topic started by: James91104 on November 21, 2014, 12:26:23 AM

Title: Re,Re,Re,Reverb
Post by: James91104 on November 21, 2014, 12:26:23 AM
Two days is enough time I would think for some objective and analytical review and reports on the subject of any effects DSP improvements.
Simply put, verbs any BETTER with MF3.0 ?
Title: Re: Re,Re,Re,Reverb
Post by: RoadRanger on November 21, 2014, 01:01:17 AM
I've never had a problem with the 'verb once I figured out how to properly switch them  :facepalm: but I'd sure like a second one available, and a chorus (or at least a reverb/chorus). Or with the new groups feature if I could route the output of a group to the 'verb it might work for being able to mute the 'verb on just the vocals during chatting with the audience...
Title: Re: Re,Re,Re,Reverb
Post by: Wynnd on November 21, 2014, 02:14:03 AM
You could always use one Aux for external effects and return by an open channel.  It's doable, but some caution needs to be applied.  (And you lose an Aux and Channel.)  Personally, I've always considered chorus to be a poor substitute for a Leslie.  (I own two Leslies.) 
Title: Re: Re,Re,Re,Reverb
Post by: RoadRanger on November 21, 2014, 03:07:32 AM
I can spare neither auxes nor channels :( . I really need that mythical DL2412R ;) .
Title: Re: Re,Re,Re,Reverb
Post by: Kev tyler on November 21, 2014, 09:51:55 AM
Is there no fx mute footswitch option on the new hardware/software?
Title: Re: Re,Re,Re,Reverb
Post by: Wynnd on November 21, 2014, 01:57:30 PM
Haven't checked the DL32R yet, but the DL1608 doesn't have it.  That would be a hardware change.  Maybe someday we'll be able to use a bluetooth foot switch with the ipad for that function.  Might want to add it to the want list.
Title: Re: Re,Re,Re,Reverb
Post by: WK154 on November 21, 2014, 03:55:16 PM
Haven't checked the DL32R yet, but the DL1608 doesn't have it.  That would be a hardware change.  Maybe someday we'll be able to use a bluetooth foot switch with the ipad for that function.  Might want to add it to the want list.
Actually you have Bluetooth on the iPad and can hook up to a foot-switch and subsequently send the appropriate message to the DL via Ethernet. Of course that would require Mackie to modify "Mandolin".  :) What hardware change?
Title: Re: Re,Re,Re,Reverb
Post by: Wynnd on November 21, 2014, 03:57:46 PM
The hardware change would be to incorporate a mechanical foot switch onto the DL1608.  I guessing that might be harder than on an analog mixer.
Title: Re: Re,Re,Re,Reverb
Post by: WK154 on November 21, 2014, 04:23:05 PM
The hardware change would be to incorporate a mechanical foot switch onto the DL1608.  I guessing that might be harder than on an analog mixer.
Why would you want to go back and use a cabled foot switch when there are plenty of Bluetooth versions available. One less cable to deal with. Is there some Mackie Myth that Bluetooth is unreliable or that it doesn't play well with WiFi? Keep in mind that the DL is wired Ethernet not WiFi. That what the access point (Air Express etc.) converts for the DL. I use Bluetooth speakers (UE Boom) along with WiFi (Dlink WiFI Dir-655) and iPad III without any problems.
Title: Re: Re,Re,Re,Reverb
Post by: RoadRanger on November 21, 2014, 04:36:47 PM
Def needs a bluetooth footswitch for those mixing from the stage and the FX mute(s) on the app are still not as accessible as I'd like...
Title: Re: Re,Re,Re,Reverb
Post by: Kev tyler on November 21, 2014, 05:51:58 PM
I think that modern mixers  should all have an fx mute via Bluetooth option, let's call it up arrow,

That leaves down arrow, for playback stop, left and right arrow for next and previous song, that's on the playback app that should be "always on top"  folks.

😄
Title: Re: Re,Re,Re,Reverb
Post by: Wynnd on November 21, 2014, 07:11:19 PM
in this case, always on top should be an option.  I wouldn't place it there.  (Don't use very much effects.)  Maybe make it part of the overview page?
Title: Re: Re,Re,Re,Reverb
Post by: WK154 on November 22, 2014, 01:53:26 AM
I'm still searching for a Bluetooth app that takes a lapel mic into the iPhone headphone/mic jack and sends it out on the Bluetooth channel, that works (minor requirement). Anyone use one?
Title: Re: Re,Re,Re,Reverb
Post by: RoadRanger on November 22, 2014, 04:01:55 AM
I'm still searching for a Bluetooth app that takes a lapel mic into the iPhone headphone/mic jack and sends it out on the Bluetooth channel, that works (minor requirement). Anyone use one?
Did you try this one?
https://itunes.apple.com/tw/app/talkback-mic/id480263826
He did add airplay support at my request a while back - don't see why it wouldn't output to bluetooth? If not maybe he'd add that if you ask :) .
Title: Re: Re,Re,Re,Reverb
Post by: WK154 on November 22, 2014, 03:07:17 PM
I'm still searching for a Bluetooth app that takes a lapel mic into the iPhone headphone/mic jack and sends it out on the Bluetooth channel, that works (minor requirement). Anyone use one?
Did you try this one?
https://itunes.apple.com/tw/app/talkback-mic/id480263826
He did add airplay support at my request a while back - don't see why it wouldn't output to bluetooth? If not maybe he'd add that if you ask :) .
Thanks for the lead unfortunately his latest release improvement was to remove airplay code, go figure.  :(
Title: Re: Re,Re,Re,Reverb
Post by: PAguy on November 22, 2014, 03:41:09 PM
I'm still searching for a Bluetooth app that takes a lapel mic into the iPhone headphone/mic jack and sends it out on the Bluetooth channel, that works (minor requirement). Anyone use one?
Did you try this one?
https://itunes.apple.com/tw/app/talkback-mic/id480263826
He did add airplay support at my request a while back - don't see why it wouldn't output to bluetooth? If not maybe he'd add that if you ask :) .

Could this be used as an ambient mic to be mixed in to  a channel then to an aux for in ears?
Title: Re: Re,Re,Re,Reverb
Post by: Kev tyler on November 22, 2014, 04:05:09 PM
in this case, always on top should be an option.  I wouldn't place it there.  (Don't use very much effects.)  Maybe make it part of the overview page?

Sorry you have misunderstood me, I think  an always on top option should have been included from day one to allow transport controls for the musical content stored on the pad,

To create a product for iPad and ignore its playback capabilities, madness,

Just as omitting a quick fx mute option for people with busy hands is,

Kev
Title: Re: Re,Re,Re,Reverb
Post by: RoadRanger on November 22, 2014, 06:23:52 PM
Thanks for the lead unfortunately his latest release improvement was to remove airplay code, go figure.  :(
I don't have any bluetooth receivers so don't know if it will still work with bluetooth? I've emailed him as I was the one who originally talked him into adding airplay :) .
Title: Re: Re,Re,Re,Reverb
Post by: RoadRanger on November 22, 2014, 09:16:40 PM
OK, the author of the TalkBack app is updating the app and will make sure it works with AirPlay. He actually didn't remove support for it, only the out-of-date instructions for using airplay on the old iOS's. But looks like iOS 8 broke it :( .
Title: Re: Re,Re,Re,Reverb
Post by: dpdan on November 22, 2014, 11:36:20 PM
iOS 8 didn't break the talkback app, Airplay has never worked with it  :(

I have pleaeded with him to incorporate Airplay functionality, the fact that the latest version doesn't even have an icon indicates he doesn't care about Airplay.  :(

I would cheerfully pay him PayPal if Airplay worked.

Dan 
Title: Re: Re,Re,Re,Reverb
Post by: RoadRanger on November 23, 2014, 12:54:40 AM
the fact that the latest version doesn't even have an icon indicates he doesn't care about Airplay.  :(
Ahhh... that ain't how airplay works in the latest iOS's. You have to "pull up" the iOS control panel, that's where the airplay stuff is for all apps that use it. I can get to the airplay setting in his app but it doesn't show my airplay receiver in it (I'm using Shairport4w on my Win7 laptop).
Title: Re: Re,Re,Re,Reverb
Post by: dpdan on November 23, 2014, 01:24:19 AM
I know how to swipe up to get to the airplay choices and iTunes plays fine but there is no choice in the talkback app to tell it to route audio to airplay.
I also have the iPhone mic enabled for the Talkback app.
It's just no good for airplay, when did you talk to Mark recently? So he said he IS going to get airplay to work?

That would be cool!
Title: Re: Re,Re,Re,Reverb
Post by: RoadRanger on November 23, 2014, 01:47:30 AM
when did you talk to Mark recently? So he said he IS going to get airplay to work?
A few hours ago today, and yup.
Title: Re: Re,Re,Re,Reverb
Post by: dpdan on November 23, 2014, 02:02:20 AM
fantastic!!!!
Title: Re: Re,Re,Re,Reverb
Post by: Fluddman on November 23, 2014, 10:46:22 PM
So let me get this straight.

This app will allow you to use your iphone as a talkback mic. Very cool.
Title: Re: Re,Re,Re,Reverb
Post by: RoadRanger on November 23, 2014, 11:14:17 PM
So let me get this straight. This app will allow you to use your iphone as a talkback mic. Very cool.
It's really meant to use in a studio with a wired output from the earphone socket. With airplay you'll be able to use it wirelessly - but the built-in mic isn't really suitable for use in a noisy environment plus you need an airplay receiver. If you do have an airplay receiver you're more likely to want to use it for break music I'd think? I also suspect there is a fair amount of latency involved with airplay making it unsuitable for usage live aside from talkback?
Title: Re: Re,Re,Re,Reverb
Post by: Fluddman on November 24, 2014, 01:26:26 AM
Thanks Ron.

I think airplay has at least a couple of seconds latency.  :(