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Unofficial Mackie User Forums => DL1608/DL806/DL32R/ProDX Mixers => Topic started by: WK154 on September 10, 2015, 01:35:50 AM
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Well if you are exited about an overpriced and over-sized Air 2 it's here. Unfortunately the only external wired link remains the Lightning connector and nothing but USB capability as before. As far as I'm concerned it's not a Pro device with this limitation. The dual app capability is hardly to be considered a "multitasking" OS unless all you can handle are 2 apps at a time. What a disappointment.
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Well if you are exited about an overpriced and over-sized Air 2 it's here. Unfortunately the only external wired link remains the Lightning connector and nothing but USB capability as before.
As I've pointed out before, the iDevice's (unofficial) wired Ethernet capability is via the USB - why would you expect different?
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Surely a modern windows tablet would pee all over the new pad, all them brains at Apple can't realise we want a couple of in out options on a 600 dollar unit.
Too busy making a nice cardboard box to ship it in I guess.
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Meh!
You guys :facepalm:
It's a bigger version of the iPad.....gasp!
Lots of people will want it and will buy it.
You don't like it, don't buy it!
Don't get angry and bitter, just ignore it - problem solved :thu: :)
Hope you guys are all keeping well btw!
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It seems odd that they haven't gone down the Thunderbolt route as they did with the MacBooks to provide a range of connectivity options. As said, it can hardly be considered 'Pro' with such limited connectivity. One suspects that even with the extra screen real-estate the Master Fader app would not be 'enhanced' to take advantage of it, i.e. 12 channels on view, etc.
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Just to chip in again re: thunderbolt port.
IMHO this is a pink elephant of an interface, I have it on my MBP.
Third party support for it is limited and peripherals seem very expensive.
Back to iPad pro connectivity, aren't hardwired connections very 20th century?
Aren't we living in the age of ever quicker wireless communications?
Superfast broadband, 4G, LTE, Cloud storage.
Does this new tablet really need any more ports?
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Well if you are exited about an overpriced and over-sized Air 2 it's here. Unfortunately the only external wired link remains the Lightning connector and nothing but USB capability as before.
As I've pointed out before, the iDevice's (unofficial) wired Ethernet capability is via the USB - why would you expect different?
And as I've pointed out before it's an shaky kludge no-one here has used.
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Just to chip in again re: thunderbolt port.
IMHO this is a pink elephant of an interface, I have it on my MBP.
Third party support for it is limited and peripherals seem very expensive.
Back to iPad pro connectivity, aren't hardwired connections very 20th century?
Aren't we living in the age of ever quicker wireless communications?
Superfast broadband, 4G, LTE, Cloud storage.
Does this new tablet really need any more ports?
Pink elephant or not Apple and Intel are pushing hard but most Mfg.'s are resisting. As to the "20th" century wired I guess they were light-years ahead of 21st century 1 Gps wireless with 10 Gps wired and no interference. ;)
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And as I've pointed out before it's an shaky kludge no-one here has used.
Apple uses it for all their big demos. Not a kludge at all, any more than any USB to Ethernet connection is. It would be nice if Apple released their USB to Ethernet interface for it though. There is that third party one but for some unexplained reason it requires the app using it to be compiled for it - wonder why? In any case it sure would seem to make sense for Mackie to support a hardware connection...
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Surely a modern windows tablet would pee all over the new pad, all them brains at Apple can't realise we want a couple of in out options on a 600 dollar unit.
I suspect the market for a UTP Ethernet I/F is too small to matter to them, even though they've had one in limited production for themselves for years...
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I read up on iOS 9 last night, and it sounds interesting. Has anyone here upgraded yet? I'm expecting that MF will work fine on iOS 9, but I'd like to hear from others who have tried it.
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I think that the bigger iPad would make running MF 3.X and MF 4 when it shows up, much nicer and easier to navigate than the current iPad. Easier on old eyes too. Of course the price may make it hard to swallow unless you have to upgrade to a newer faster iPad, that is. ;)
PS: Haven't upgraded to iOS 9 yet, but thinking about starting with one device at a time. Since it's supposed to be compatible with even older devices, may just start with the ole iPhone 4S first. Fingers crossed! :mrgreen:
PPS: Doesn't look like the iOS 9 update is quite ready to drop here in good ole Toronto yet. :'(
More: Getting ahead of myself. Did some research, according to Mac Rumors, iOS 9 will drop on Wednesday Sept 16th. And a few other sites also stated this too. Ah well, jumping the gun once again. :-[ Won't be too long until it's here, even though it will be too long to wait. ;)
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We're definitely excited about iPad Pro. A Bigger screen to show more things sounds cool to us. What about you all? What would like us to do with the additional real estate?
Regarding iOS9. We've been doing some testing for a while. We only got the GM yesterday so we just started testing on that. We've found a few rare but serious crash issues when running 3.2.1 on iOS9 and have already submitted a 3.2.2 fix to Apple to remedy. Hopefully it will get approved soon so we go live next week in advance of iOS9. If anyone is a developer and is using the iOS9 GM and would like to test 3.2.2 it would be a help. Email me at DL1608.Feedback@mackie.com. Thanks.
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I'd like a full set of meters across the top and perhaps buttons for things like mute groups and Aux / DCAs / Groups rather than a drop down (one press rather than two). With the DL32R I am sure more channels on show would be welcome.
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Just to chip in again re: thunderbolt port.
IMHO this is a pink elephant of an interface, I have it on my MBP.
Third party support for it is limited and peripherals seem very expensive.
Thunderbolt ain't ready for prime-time. It's fine if you're only running one or two low-bandwidth devices, but as soon as you start to push it, it starts to get flaky.
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One of the biggest advantages to the DL series is the ability to move around the venue and mix from anywhere. So, I'm not sure that a bigger, and heavier, iPad is really that beneficial, unless you work from one place. But, if I was going to go with a bigger screen, I would love to see more channels at one time. I would love internal AirPlay controls within MF. And maybe a Talk Back button on the main screen.
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One of the biggest advantages to the DL series is the ability to move around the venue and mix from anywhere. So, I'm not sure that a bigger, and heavier, iPad is really that beneficial, unless you work from one place.
Agreed, I mostly use my Mini as I find the standard iPad too big in a crowded club...
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And as I've pointed out before it's an shaky kludge no-one here has used.
Apple uses it for all their big demos. Not a kludge at all, any more than any USB to Ethernet connection is. It would be nice if Apple released their USB to Ethernet interface for it though. There is that third party one but for some unexplained reason it requires the app using it to be compiled for it - wonder why? In any case it sure would seem to make sense for Mackie to support a hardware connection...
Did it ever occur to you that Apple may have a driver for their rig? At present most USB to Ethernet adapters draw to much current for a iPad to supply so a powered Hub, which needs a wall-wart, is necessary that's a kludge in my book.
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Did it ever occur to you that Apple may have a driver for their rig?
Nope, others have kluged together a copy of their hardware and found it to work fine without any additional driver needed.
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I've tried it and it has never worked for me. Did the powered hub trick and still no love. I would love to get it working if anyone knows the secret.
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At present most USB to Ethernet adapters draw to much current for a iPad to supply so a powered Hub, which needs a wall-wart, is necessary that's a kludge in my book.
Not really, most folks are gonna want to have the iPad on charge when it's wired in anyways - just like it is when docked.
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I've tried it and it has never worked for me. Did the powered hub trick and still no love. I would love to get it working if anyone knows the secret.
Interesting, there's quite a bit about it on the web but AFAIK nobody here has tried it. Did youse guys take a look at that third party solution that requires you to compile in support for it in the app?
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Nope. Must have missed that. Link?
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Nope. Must have missed that. Link?
http://redpark.com/lightning-ethernet-cable/
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Interesting. Thanks.
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We're definitely excited about iPad Pro. A Bigger screen to show more things sounds cool to us. What about you all? What would like us to do with the additional real estate?
What would sound cool to me would be the inclusion of a choice of legitimate reverbs. I for one frankly could care less about any additional screen real estate,
as I too utilize the Mini (Classic). With respect, KISS.
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I'd be all for using the additional size of the ipad pro for more channels on the screen. Might want to consider a screen with faders on top and masters, groups and VCAs below that scroll separately side to side. (Probably easier to make as a brand new screen than to adapt a current one.)
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We're definitely excited about iPad Pro. A Bigger screen to show more things sounds cool to us. What about you all? What would like us to do with the additional real estate?
What would sound cool to me would be the inclusion of a choice of legitimate reverbs. I for one frankly could care less about any additional screen real estate,
as I too utilize the Mini (Classic). With respect, KISS.
I'm with you on that James, I find the standard iPad too heavy to wander around with for hours already and always use a mini wireless... I also revert to classic for gigs where quick access is important. please Beno do something with that crappy reverb it lets the whole thing down.
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I do like my pad, but it will be the last one I buy,
Apple are just thieves, thirty five euros for a charging cable, and so on, and having only one port that charges and spews information in and out, stupid, no seperate charge port, no usb, no lan crazy,
That's my last rant on Apple this is the mackie forum at the end of the day.
:)
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I do like my pad, but it will be the last one I buy,
Apple are just thieves, thirty five euros for a charging cable, and so on, and having only one port that charges and spews information in and out, stupid, no seperate charge port, no usb, no lan crazy,
That's my last rant on Apple this is the mackie forum at the end of the day.
:)
I'm with you on that but unfortunately none of the DL mixers are complete and operational without the Apple product. Until that changes it's one product since there are no choices. Yes it's a Mackie forum with a fruit. :D :D
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I was quite surprised to find out that there are ICs in the Lightning connector. So that charging/sync cable isn't just wires and connectors. Try to not lose them.
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I was quite surprised to find out that there are ICs in the Lightning connector. So that charging/sync cable isn't just wires and connectors. Try to not lose them.
I saw one on the internet that had been opened and was amazed too, to see the circuitry in something that small. I can seen why the cable is that expensive (maybe a little overpriced?) and why you should probably stick with genuine apple cables and accessories for 100% compatibility and reliability.
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These cables have never let me down.
http://www.amazon.com/AmazonBasics-Apple-Certified-Lightning-Cable/dp/B00NH12YN0/ref=zg_bs_6795233011_3
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[...] having only one port that charges and spews information in and out, stupid, no seperate charge port, no usb, no lan crazy,
I don't have any particular problem with having it all be one connector - but hate that Apple won't sell us the complete breakout box for it. You can buy the "camera connection kit" that gives you a USB port but we really need a box that charges the iDevice, gives you one (or more) fully powered USB port, and a UTP Ethernet port. Hey, maybe the iPad Pro will have those eventually and they'll be backwards compatible :) ? In the mean time I've yet to hear of anyone having a problem with the iPad when it's right next to the AP? Just run UTP out to your AP at FOH and you shouldn't have any problems :) .
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Does the chip in the lead do anything, I thought it was there purely to scupper the chance of using a non Apple cable.
You would think the circuitry encased in the lead would be safer on the pads internal pcb?
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Does the chip in the lead do anything, I thought it was there purely to scupper the chance of using a non Apple cable.
You would think the circuitry encased in the lead would be safer on the pads internal pcb?
AFAIK it's a driver chip with ID so Apple can tell whether a legit device is attached. USB interface is spec'd by timing parameters not cable length. Although for most common cable it's about 10-15 ft. Apple officially only supports a limited number of devices hence the name "camera kit". A minimal USB implementation. USB is the thorn in their side hence the push on Thunderbolt. It' will eventually go away like Firewire. All the unofficial Ethernet connections I've seen are to a Web browser not a DL.
All this talk about USB or any other interface spec is meaningless without a Spec version number and as in USB what is implemented. Try getting that out of Apple. ;D
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So, let’s keep our fingers crossed that MF 3.X and MYF 3.X will work just fine when iOS 9 drops Sept 16th. It's a good bet that everything will work just fine, just the same. Not even a hint of a MF 4.0 to coincide with the new iOS version. :(
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I wouldn't pick on Mackie right now. I'd rather continue getting fixes and improvements at a consistent pace, like they've been coming recently. MF 3.x is good enough for me to live with for a long time. Whenever Mackie creates a MF 4, it will be a major change and I'm not expecting that anytime in the next two years. Stability and no unintentional white or pink noise are critical and probably the biggest reason for MF 3.x. They're developing the software the right way now and I will be patient.
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Not picking on Mackie, just hoping everything works out with the iOS update. And I did state that " It's a good bet that everything will work just fine, just the same"
Mackie has always come through with updates and patches everytime as far as I'm concerned. I am using 3 year old DL1608 that has worked flawlessly with absolutely no issues from day one. There's always going to be a little concern when any OS is updated that can directly affect any device that relies solely upon it for operation.
As far as MF 4 is concerned, it's not a deal breaker that it's not out yet. Mackie will continue to make improvements to the current version and 4 will arrive all in good time. I'm quite happy with 3.x and when 4 drops I will be updating. Just eager to see what version 4 will bring, that's all. 8)
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Waiting is a bitch. I'm quite happy with Mackie and my DL1608. Personally hoping this mixer gets me through to retirement from the music and sound business. Can't see me buying a different digital mixer.
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Just to chip in again re: thunderbolt port.
IMHO this is a pink elephant of an interface, I have it on my MBP.
Third party support for it is limited and peripherals seem very expensive.
Thunderbolt ain't ready for prime-time. It's fine if you're only running one or two low-bandwidth devices, but as soon as you start to push it, it starts to get flaky.
Not sure what you mean by flakey. It's pretty solid in my experience & I've done a lot of testing with it. Yes, it's a bandwidth sharing PCIe bus on a wire, but it's far faster than anything else out there right now. As long as the devices you're driving have a decent driver, you shouldn't have issues.
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Just to chip in again re: thunderbolt port.
IMHO this is a pink elephant of an interface, I have it on my MBP.
Third party support for it is limited and peripherals seem very expensive.
Thunderbolt ain't ready for prime-time. It's fine if you're only running one or two low-bandwidth devices, but as soon as you start to push it, it starts to get flaky.
Not sure what you mean by flakey. It's pretty solid in my experience & I've done a lot of testing with it. Yes, it's a bandwidth sharing PCIe bus on a wire, but it's far faster than anything else out there right now. As long as the devices you're driving have a decent driver, you shouldn't have issues.
What I mean by flaky is that devices fail to initialize or be recognized. I have now 5 of the new Mac Pros, and all have three monitors -- two Apple 28" plus a large-screen monitor (connected HDMI), an ATTO FC1082 or FC2082 Fiber Channel 8G adapter, and a G-Tech 4TB thunderbolt drive. The problem is especially pronounced if anything is connected on a Thunderbolt port along with one of the Apple monitors or with the fiber channel adapter.
In reality, there are only three "channels" (for lack of a better word) of Thunderbolt on the MacPros with two physical ports on each. One also drives the internal HDMI port. So, it's important to try to figure out how much bandwidth each device is going to use and attempt to balance the load. I never had any such problems with the MacPro towers with PCIe cards and Firewire800.