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Unofficial Mackie User Forums => DL1608/DL806/DL32R/ProDX Mixers => Topic started by: Kev tyler on February 08, 2015, 10:18:52 AM
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hi guys
I can't find anything other than a black and white pdf from mackie , is there a video showing the process,
I am at a loss why someone has not figured a cheaper than 60 euro solution to this issue,
There are only four cables and a shied on a lightening cable, surely it would be a simple job to hard wire an old cable in to the multi pin on the Motherboard.
Cheers
Kev
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If you don't need the lock just use an adaptor, I have one bought from PoundLand 8)
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I use the apple cable, it works perfectly.
If I ever have to use an older iPad i still can.
I like that flexibility :thu:
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Hi guys
I think we have had the take the iPad to the toilet discussion haven't we?
I want to lock it in permanently, and will buy two DLS soon as they have hit 499 on thomann,
I know there are 8 pins on the plug and possibly a chip, but I like to have a dabble now and then with my gear so I thought a bright spark would have eliminated the need for that 60 euro adaptor, and figured it out.
Cheers
Kev
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Hi guys
I think we have had the take the iPad to the toilet discussion haven't we?
I want to lock it in permanently, and will buy two DLS soon as they have hit 499 on thomann,
I know there are 8 pins on the plug and possibly a chip, but I like to have a dabble now and then with my gear so I thought a bright spark would have eliminated the need for that 60 euro adaptor, and figured it out.
Cheers
Kev
Kev that's two cables from the DL to the paddle board and 11 (5+6) connections but who's counting. Details here. http://cacophony.aspinock.com/index.php?topic=464.msg3462#msg3462
That's the good news. Now for the other side of the coin. The paddle board is a source of problems. Who would tie chassis and signal ground together upstream connected to a RF source (iPad is a RF transmitter (WiFi and Bluetooth), possibly along with your body (as a receiver/transmitter) and send it thru DL's signal ground?. I believe this was covered ages ago when Rane and others were embarrassingly informed by Biil Whitlock (AES Chair on grounding techniques) that they needed to go back to college or learn the hard way (College of Hard Knocks ) about grounding techniques (pin one problem) on some of their equipment. Mackie seems to be the newest member of this once uninformed group. Rane and Co. fixed their problems quite a while ago. As long as you're aware of all the short comings up front and can live with them then good luck when the price is right. Hope all your iPads are current high speed versions. :)
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My hideously expensive lightning dock kit, and iPad mini tray should arrive tomorrow or Wednesday..fingers crossed..
I've already read and re-read the upgrade instructions and feel completely comfy with the process.
I wouldn't take a video of my upgrade, but I'm happy to take a few pics as I go if you'd like me to post them here for you? :)
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Hi wk154,
Thanks for the advice,
I did have a feeling it might be a bit problematic hardwiring a trailing cable but was compelled to at least consider it, I have to be honest I have looked at your link but can't actually figure how that corresponds to the 11 connections on the two multi plugs on the adaptor, my first reaction is to wonder what's the difference ,,plugging a 2ft lightening to 30 pin adaptor cable in compared to 6 inches of a similar cable solderded straight to the board or multi pin connector, but I will accept your view that if you are not totally up to speed with this stuff, it should be avoided. It was just that I presumed there was little to that board other than 11 copper tracks, maybe something is hidden on the other side.?
120 euros ain't the end of the world, for a couple of adapters to be fair, it's just that there does not look much to the adaptor, but it's still 140 euros cheaper than buying the Lightning version.
http://www.thomann.de/gb/mackie_dl_lightning_dock_service_kit.htm (http://www.thomann.de/gb/mackie_dl_lightning_dock_service_kit.htm)
Thanks sir Krang,
Don't go to any trouble on my account mate, if you get time I would Like to see what's on the opposite side of the adaptor board shown in the link, quick piccy maybe?
Cheers
Kev
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Installing the kit is not hard. You have to use a small file to notch out part of the plastic where the new lightning connector fits. But if you haven't bought one yet, why wouldn't you just order the dl that already has the Lightning connector?
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Some places are selling the 30 pin DL for less money, and it you're going used there are a lot more 30 DLs out there.
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Thanks sir Krang,
Don't go to any trouble on my account mate, if you get time I would Like to see what's on the opposite side of the adaptor board shown in the link, quick piccy maybe?
No trouble at all...although I'm a really crappy photographer so please excuse any blurryness in these pics.
The whole process for dock upgrade, and iPad mini tray install was about 15 mins and was ultra simple.
Both items come packaged with comprehensive and easy to understand instruction sheets.
I didn't take pics of every single step simply because the whole job was so simple a child could do it :)
Cuppla pics of the differences in docks
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v341/gronk62/0903385524c140d41c82f2f212996624_zps709337ab.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v341/gronk62/fdb62d7b81fab39bc4f17e0965b45774_zps8ced26cc.jpg)
Super simple multi pin cable connections. Simply wiggle off (gently) the old dock, and press em on the new dock.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v341/gronk62/5ef1cdf9946e1e6b50c6600df9e3fcd7_zpsef7f8659.jpg)
The finished product. I can wander off to the dunny with relative confidence my iPad mini will still be bolted down when I get back :D
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v341/gronk62/0d296d3e6591c59a79bc5a2c709b93ae_zps24a20a12.jpg)
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thanks guys
And thanks sir Krang for the piccy,
Stuff like this Sam I like to buy new, thomanns 3 years guarantee and the option to repair when that guarantee expires makes it a no brainer,
The reason I am looking for a tight ass solution is that the Lightning version on thomann is 200 euros more expensive than the 30 pin, and I think the adaptor which does not appear to have any components on it would be easy to circumvent, I hope that s the right word, with a bit of cable?
I have to ask would it be possible to remove the old 30 pin socket from the bracket and tuck it inside the casing and then attach the 30 pin to Lightning cable some of you guys use and still connect it and bolt the Dl in place.
I am am not a mean old man, but after the morning I have had with the tax man, there is good reason for penny pinching.
Something like this ten dollars for example
http://www.igearusa.com/lightning-to-30-pin-adapter-cable-for-iphone-6-6-plus-iphone-5-5s-and-ipad-4-5-mini/
Cheers
Kev
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..would it be possible to remove the old 30 pin socket from the bracket and tuck it inside the casing and then attach the 30 pin to Lightning cable some of you guys use and still connect it and bolt the Dl in place.
Without pulling mine apart again and trying this I don't know if there is enough space under the tray to fit the relatively bulky 30pin plug to the board, but yes the adapter lead could be routed up through the empty dock housing..although it would be a tight bend on the cable to orient the Lightning connector to the right angle for the iPad.
I personally wouldn't do it for the "tight bend" reason alone
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v341/gronk62/7EBA94D3-3BD9-4E2D-B7D3-29CF242AA58F_zps09rwhf9i.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v341/gronk62/CA0AA059-065D-4A1D-892B-05AB752CE5CF_zpskjxuxfmy.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v341/gronk62/65BBBD49-E65B-4376-9D72-924C79991357_zpsgvtoxs43.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v341/gronk62/618266abf9d780b494acc1e89971d0d2_zpsd9c77876.jpg)
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Thanks so much for taking the time,
I think with a bit of faff, that might just work,
CHEERS
KEV
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Thanks so much for taking the time,
I think with a bit of faff, that might just work,
CHEERS
KEV
That's a no-go Kev. If the DL mobo to paddle board cables were about an inch or two longer that might have been possible since the 30 pin has to be parallel with the side of the case to clear the hood of the add-on cable, sorry I sound like your tax man. Not enough space under the tray any other way.
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Fair enough, wk, I guess if it worked people would have figured it long before me,
Buying two mixers has gone out of the window since the tax man peed on my bonfire today, so at 499 + 59 euros, it's not the end of the world.
Many thanks all of you
Kevin
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Fair enough, wk, I guess if it worked people would have figured it long before me,
Buying two mixers has gone out of the window since the tax man peed on my bonfire today, so at 499 + 59 euros, it's not the end of the world.
Many thanks all of you
Kevin
Hope you're not forgetting that 49 euros tray.
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I was going to glue some cardboard on the back Of the pad to be honest. Do you think that will prevent the unit being removed when locked in?
Cheers
Kev
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You just need to raise the thinner iPad Air so the connectors line up, not a problem if you are going to mod the connector board anyway, the rails and lock should prevent the iPad from being removed either way.
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I don't know if this has been mentioned on this forum before, but I'll bring it up again if it hasn't.
My DL came with a 30pin dock simply because I had an old iPad 3.
I now own an iPad mini 2 which stays permanently docked, and is my main source of set break background music.
And a new iPad Air 2 which I traded my ageing iPad 3 on. It is my full time wireless connection to the DL.
Prior to this I have used an old iPhone 4 which I plugged directly into the DL's 30pin dock, but supported by a 2x4 shim of the right thickness to raise the iPhone to the correct height for the dock. It was perfect for supplying background music. I was surprised it worked when I first tried it as I thought I'd need an iPad to be compatible.
Obviously I had zero control of the DL from the docked iPhone. But it was nice to have all 16 channels free to use for actual mixing, instead of 14 channels for mixing and 2 channels sacrificed for set break music.
And with purchase of my 30pin to lightning adapter lead I could plug in anybodies iPhone for music requests also without wasting sometimes needed channels 15 & 16.
Very versatile!
Edit. The point of my post was that a slab of cardboard to raise your iDevice to the right level is a good option. Simple and free :)
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I was going to glue some cardboard on the back Of the pad to be honest. Do you think that will prevent the unit being removed when locked in?
Cheers
Kev
The locking in part is not the concern as Sam stated but the stress on the connector is of concern. If there is some play as in the 30 pin then possibly the alignment process may help. Loosely hold paddle-board with screws, insert iPad for alignment and then carefully tighten screws to lock board. This requires the iPad removal and may shift the board. Several tries may be required and the amount of play may not be sufficient. I don't have a Air to test it but it works on the 30 pin.
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thanks very much guys, and apologies for the late response,
I really appreciate the info.
Many thanks
Kev