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Unofficial Mackie User Forums => DL1608/DL806/DL32R/ProDX Mixers => Topic started by: RoadRanger on April 05, 2013, 04:20:06 PM
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https://itunes.apple.com/hk/app/mackie-master-fader/id511500747
What's New in Version 1.4
New! Added support for DL806.
Master Fader now works with both the DL1608 and the DL1608 including Offline operation. Shows, Snapshots, Presets and Access Limiting work seamlessly across DL mixers automatically.
New! Show Improvements.
Many Show, Snapshot and Synchronizations enhancements have been added. The Show Screen now displays Offline shows and the Current Show separately. The Current Show is saved to the iPad automatically as changes are made and the last modified date and time are shown. Channel Images and Icons are now stored in shows, recalled with snapshots and synchronized between devices. Up to 64 channel images may be used in a single show. All images used in the current show are displayed in the Channel>Images>Show Images list. And Shows are now recalled in the background (with indication in the Navbar) so that operation may continue as they load. All connected devices now remain online when shows are loaded.
New! Vintage EQ, Gate and Compressor.
After extensive analysis, development and testing, the new vintage EQ, compressor and gate deliver the sought-after musical characteristics of your favorite industry-standard processors. For each channel processor, the user can select between the new Vintage type for creative tone shaping and the current Modern type for surgical control. The vintage compressor and gate provide a lightning-fast attack, non-linear attack/release and program dependent release making them great for drums and other transient sources. The vintage EQ captures the unique interactions between the shelving bands and the gain and frequency-dependent Q structure of the parametric band to deliver the clarity and sheen of classic EQ designs. This EQ is great for getting guitar, bass, piano and other instruments to sit perfectly in a mix. Presets now store and recall the DSP type and new Vintage factory presets have been added.
Other Changes.
• Improved Meter response.
• Improved taper on Gate Hold parameter to make it easier to adjust for shorter hold times.
• Added Tools>About>More button with additional software and firmware version information.
• Updated Quickstart Guide
• Updated Reference Guide
Bug Fixes.
• Fixed bugs where the mixer button may disappear on the Channel View. This was most often seen on the iPad (1st generation).
• Fixed bug where popover lists did not show selection highlight.
• Fixed bug where device discovery could fail when repeatedly selecting the Tools>Devices button.
• Fixed bug where gate meter showed inaccurate value.
• Fixed bug where changing FX type did not show update on multiple connected iPad devices.
• Fixed bug where quickly swiping between channels in Channel View could show a black screen.
• Performed other minor fixes and stability improvements.
For more information, please visit http://www.mackie.com/products/dlseries/specs/
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Sweet..................! well maybe see what I get when I get home on lunch and down load it :)
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Downloaded already! Love the fact you can now store pictures, it is worth it just or that alone. Also the vintage eq's look cool ... I am only simple and like playing with knobs not graphs! Also, love the shows section ... At last it makes sense! Lets see how we get on at a gig tomorrow :)
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Just downloaded .. yes the show management is improved (aka fixed like it should have worked all along).
Is myFader 1.0 available yet?
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Is myFader 1.0 available yet?
No, we've been told that it is taking longer to get approved by Apple as it is a new app, not "just" an update like "Master Fader". At this point I'd guess the beginning or middle of next week?
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So far, so good. Really curious whether the duplicate show issue is fixed. Doing some cleanup chores and will test. Will let everyone know. Planning on putting to the test tonight.
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Big disappointment in my mind. All this time and that's it? Glad to see they really listen to their users ... Damn Mute button still in the same spot. No active only fader views, etc.
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So far I'm happy with the improved wireless connectivity, I use my DL at home for my day-job so I have plenty of time to experiment before taking it out to a show tonight.
Previously if I put my iPad to sleep the connection went wonky(trying & failing to reconnect), now the connection is coming back up instantly after sleep!
I fiddled a bit with the Vintage version of eq & compressor, both look like a skin over the existing "modern" version, but I'm not listening yet, just poking around.
Will be using for an acoustic duo tonight so I'll have more to report in the morning.
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Damn Mute button still in the same spot.
Did you see my post about it here?
http://cacophony.aspinock.com/index.php?topic=256.0
It looks to me like Mackie could tweak the touch regions for the mute buttons and "fix" this without rearranging anything :) .
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Damn Mute button still in the same spot.
Did you see my post about it here?
http://cacophony.aspinock.com/index.php?topic=256.0
It looks to me like Mackie could tweak the touch regions for the mute buttons and "fix" this without rearranging anything :) .
I Did. MANY folks wanted it in a different spot though ....... I have to say, I also own a Presonus Studio Live. Their Remote App is SO good, and they update it with stuff people really want. They listen.
Funny, Mackie put up the announcement about 1.4 on their facebook page. It had nothing but some negative comments about how this update was very disappointing (Which I have to agree with) .... Needless to say, they deleted their post.
UPDATE: They just put up a new one and said they were having issues with videos on the previous post ..... Yeah Right!
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The new Show handling is awesome :) !
On the Vintage EQ I wish they had used the space above the HPF buttons to move them up and allow more selections - I'd like a 40 and 120 Hz at least. Also wish they had been able to squeeze the other mid in there. With those two changes I could see myself using the vintage over the modern :) .
On the Vintage gate there is room to put in a three button selector for "range" - missing that is unfortunate :( .
On the Vintage comp maybe they could have squeezed a "knee" button in there but not too big a deal.
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I do like the Show Changes. I am making an overall opinion.
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UPDATE: They just put up a new one and said they were having issues with videos on the previous post ..... Yeah Right!
The video they linked to did have a permissions issue - I posted there telling them it wasn't working for me :( .
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Well at least it is done and the re-dsigned a major function: scene management.
Now lets see if they can make some progress on other requests .. some of which are no more than cosmetic
(ie location of a button).
They did fix the Mixer button disappearing for Gen 1 ipAds like mine. This was a show-stopper.
The release of MyFader will be a big leap forward .. all my band mates are waiting.
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OK Thanks .... I feel better now :)
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I Did. MANY folks wanted it in a different spot though .......
You do have to realize that they would have to change all of their documentation and ads - including all the videos they did that show that screen :( . After playing around a bit I'm convinced that just tweaking the touch regions will "fix" the problem - I'd rather they spent their time and money on adding more features :) .
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The whole release smells of amateurism and desperation. You will now be able to pick apart the "Lipstick" release which has already been known for months! I am busy this weekend with competition in San Fransisco and will not deal with this until the end of next week. If the BASICS have not been fixed it will certainly separate the MEN for the boys. No docs as of this post and their knee deep into V1.5? Maybe they should finish one job before dealing with another?
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There are updated docs accessible through the "help" in the app. If they're not yet available on their website I'm sure they will be shortly. Perhaps we should conserve out flamethrower fuel for more important issues? ;)
They did already say that V1.5 will have some of the user requests incorporated. Stereo linking and pre-comp auxes were mentioned by them as being considered I think? I'd sure like to see FX mute(s) and tap delay on the top bar of most all pages added ;) . But let's try to keep V1.5 wants and speculation to here, eh? :
http://cacophony.aspinock.com/index.php?topic=234.0
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first, I want to start with something positive...
I am very grateful that Mackie is fixing some things.
Here are just some immediate observations that I have made after testing 1.4 on my 3rd generation iPad and 4th generation iPad, not docked, connected with an Apple Airport Express.
They fixed the snapshots, well,... uh,... I mean, pictures and icons being saved like they always should have been.
Any settings you make in the "modern" window of the compressor are identical when you switch to the "Vintage" version,
which proves my point that it is the same processing, not added EQ's and comps like they said when they (Mackie) "introduced" new Vinatge EQ and compression. RRRRight! ::)
Let me correct myself, it does not prove that it is the same processing, and not new EQ and compression as they advertised, but they sound identical with a variety of instruments like kick, snare, vocal etc. If they were newly "Added" EQs and comps they would sound different when switching back and forth between Modern and Vintage... not surprised at all just lipstick marketing.
Unbelieva... wait,, believable, that the position of the Mute button is in the same (fill in your own curse word here) place. ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
Even if they never move the Mute button, the area that is programmed to respond to the EQ window and Mute button is way too low, same with the Solo button.
Funny, (not really) they got the "area" correct with the glow and grow faders.
Shows are much better, and they make the loaded show green,...... well how about that!!! :angel: But we still have no clue what snapshot is loaded.. :facepalm: complete and utter disbelief. The lack of a green loaded scene,,, uh,... I mean snapshot. :facepalm: who on Earth would call these scenes?
Channel "Safes" are no longer global but stored with the show.
Numerous duplicated shows on other iPads is still an issue.
A show can not be deleted unless a different show is loaded. Good thinkin' Mackie! :thu:
CAN WE MOVE THE FRICKEN MUTE BUTTON?????
I am also grateful for the "face palm" icon ... love it!
I'll shut up now, I am grateful that Mackie is fixing some things.... honest.
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Any settings you make in the "modern" window of the compressor are identical when you switch to the "Vintage" version, which proves my point that it is the same processing not added EQ's and comps like they said when they (Mackie) "introduced" new Vintage EQ and compression. RRRRight! ::)
I think it is quite clever that Mackie loosely maps setting between the Vintage and Modern versions so that when you switch from one to the other you get as close to the same sound as possible. But I do have it on good authority that they are in fact different DSP code blocks and you will hear some difference when you switch between them. Extra kudos to the first one that can independently verify this :D !
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Even if they never move the Mute button, the area that is programmed to respond to the EQ window and Mute button is way too low, same with the Solo button.
I did report this to Mackie today and they were nice enough to acknowledge that they can see that now and intend to tweak it :) . All other apps I looked at closely do the same thing so I conclude it is the default of Apple's app development code to place the touch regions low x( :
http://cacophony.aspinock.com/index.php?topic=256.0
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there are no new EQ or compressors added in 1.4, I will bet my ears on it.
it is the same exact processing, just different "cutesy" simplified GUI controls which are helpful for those who are in the dark about the settings.
But in reality, if one is in the dark about setting an equalizer they should not even be using one.
A carpenter doesn't grab his belt sander and use it on the cabinet he is constructing just because he has a belt sander.
I will do a phase recording test which will prove there are no new EQs or compressors.
Dan
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But in reality, if one is in the dark about setting an equalizer they should not even be using one.
Sad truth is maybe one in ten buyers of any mixer should be using one :facepalm: . I wish they would add a "beginner" mode where the frequencies of all the EQ is fixed, maybe with a mid similar to Peavey's on their "church" mixers where it has a different frequency depending on whether you are cutting or boosting 8) . No gates and just "no clip" limiting on the outputs. Maybe limiting on all the channels set at -6 dB just because ;) or "one knob" compression similar to many entry level analog mixers.
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The last update was lipstick. This one is just mascara. I cannot wait to dump this board. Come on behringer! Get that x32 rack out. So glad I bought a great warranty. I am so looking forward to pouring a beer on this pos.
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Yup, that's our Jerry for sure ;D . I suspect he plans on passing that beer through his kidneys first :lol: .
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I just did a common "phase" test to make two recordings that are supposedly different (modern and vintage) and used a phase reverse on one of the recordings,
if they are in perfect sync with each other and are identical recordings, then the sound will disappear when one recordings' phase is reversed 180 degrees. I recorded a song by Sting into channels 13 and 14 with a Y cord feeding both inputs. To eliminate any issues that could disprove my test, the gains on both channels 13 and 14 were all the way down. Channel 13 was panned hard left, and 14 hard right. The built in recording feature of the 1608 docked was used to make the wave file recording. This stereo recording would have the modern compressor on the left channel with a 40db threshold setting and 4:1 ratio, while channel 14 would have the vintage option with the same identical settings on the right channel.
I imported the stereo wave file into Digital Performer on the Mac, and reversing the phase of either channel completely cancelled the other proving that there is no difference in the processing of the "NEWLY ADDED" vintage compressor. I didn't even waste time with the EQ or gate because the GUI does not allow identical settings. If the modern and vintage compressors were NOT identical processors, the phase reverse test would not cancel the other channel completely but it does, and therefore proves that there has not been a "vintage" compressor added to the 1.4 Master Fader update.... just a different color lipstick that was not available before.... commercial euphemism.... just as I thought.
modeled after the Neve blah blah blah sure, Neve modeling???? :facepalm: really?
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The last update was lipstick. This one is just mascara. I cannot wait to dump this board. Come on behringer! Get that x32 rack out. So glad I bought a great warranty. I am so looking forward to pouring a beer on this pos.
Some people are never satisfied.
I'm surprised that a self confessed "very good engineer" like you spent your money on something like a DL without testing it first. If it's such a "POS" why did you buy it?
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I didn't even waste time with the EQ or gate because the GUI does not allow identical settings.
You should be able to duplicate the Vintage settings in the Modern version. In fact the DL1608 does most of that for you if you make sure you change every control in Vintage mode I think? Those controls in Modern that don't exist in Vintage can be set neutral I think?
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If the modern and vintage compressors were NOT identical processors, the phase reverse test would not cancel the other channel completely but it does, and therefore proves that there has not been a "vintage" compressor added to the 1.4 Master Fader update...
I'd try a couple different settings before I was 100% sure but it sure is looking that way. BenO posted on the old forum that they were different when I speculated that "Vintage" was just skins - I wonder if their programming team is pulling a fast one on management? :facepalm:
Personally I wouldn't mind if it is true that they are "just skins".
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just skins :)
I still absolutely love the DL1608 even though I can not understand the "team" at Mackie that make decisions about this stuff.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBL-Ca_r9DU
Low audio though - maybe recorded on a DL1608 ;) ?
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They are just skins. How can you tell? Change a setting in the modern or in the vintage and switch to the other. You will see both are affected. The board is not as much of a pos as is the company. Until the x32 rack is out I will continue to use it. I am doing a festival this weekend with the board in south Florida. It sucks that I can't use the compressors. Having them not pre/post selectable has rendered them useless. This is usually not an issue but at a huge outdoor festival it is.
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I am doing a festival this weekend with the board in south Florida. It sucks that I can't use the compressors. Having them not pre/post selectable has rendered them useless. This is usually not an issue but at a huge outdoor festival it is.
Hiya Jerr. Do you have enough free inputs with 16 channels to "Y" the vox channels to a second one for monitors only?
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Just got in from tonight's gig (it's 2:20 a.m. In the UK) and downloaded 1.4. Looks good, some useful updates and another step in the right direction. I really could have done with My Fader tonight, I use my iPad for lyrics for my bands set so had to do a set and forget on the mix. MF V 1.3 did sterling service for the other performers though, many complements on the sound and much interest in the DL1608 8)
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I am doing a festival this weekend with the board in south Florida. It sucks that I can't use the compressors. Having them not pre/post selectable has rendered them useless. This is usually not an issue but at a huge outdoor festival it is.
Hiya Jerr. Do you have enough free inputs with 16 channels to "Y" the vox channels to a second one for monitors only?
Greg I had thought about that but I am doing sound for 5 bands on Saturday and Sunday. I need at least 2 channels for break music. (Yes here stereo is needed.) So I am limited to 14. And one of the bands needs all 14. I can still use comps on the drum kit which is really necessary. I do have one splitter cable and may try that on a lead vocal. Especially if there is one that has bad mic technique.
Good thing about the x32 rack is that you can assign 1 input to multiple channels. This way I can do exactly what you are suggesting. And I can do it to all 22 inputs.
Greg I did give you kudos for that one.
The pic is of the stage for this weekend.
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Hiya Jerr. Do you have enough free inputs with 16 channels to "Y" the vox channels to a second one for monitors only?
If one wanted to really live dangerously (and is OK with running mono) just pan every hard right including the reverb and delay and use the right output for the PA. Take the left output and feed it into one of the channels. Make absolutely sure that channel and the reverb and delay are panned hard right and stays that way or you might blow all your speakers! Now pan hard left anything you want to group compress and use the compression on that one channel 8) .
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Well I've got to give 1.4 a complete thumbs downs. Don't get me wrong, the bug fixes are great, however, how about some REAL feature requests instead of some cool little surface changes.
I'm very disappointed....
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I just did a show tonight with the new 1.4.
The show stuff with images is finally where it should have been. I didn't touch the vintage/modern stuff because it already sounds fine.
The biggest thing nobody has touched on here is the quick sync when the master fader is switched between apps or powering on. Way faster. That makes the update worth it right there.
Now we wait for 1.5 so we can use compressors and monitors at the same time.
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Well I've got to give 1.4 a complete thumbs downs. Don't get me wrong, the bug fixes are great, however, how about some REAL feature requests instead of some cool little surface changes.
I'm very disappointed....
So you like the bug fixes and the cool little surface changes but still give it a total thumbs down?
Isn't that at least two positives you've found;)
It's an improvement over 1.3 which was good enough for most people to spend the money.
Future updates seem very likely and that gets a big thumbs up from me!
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Just got in from a gig... great success once again! A little over a month of using the DL1608 and it keeps getting better with each gig! All the 1.4 hype??... :-\ Ayyy Doesnt bother me ...hey they managed to fix a few things . At least we can save a snapshot without having to save a show :thu: (it's automatically updates the show) previously the changes would be lost otherwise. Pictures and icons are now saved. Vintage might work better for some with knobs versus the modern EQ style. Also wireless connection seems more stable, hasn't cut out yet since update...Either way from a working musicians point of view, this mixer is beyond what any other current mixer can accomplish, especially in its price range (Which is important being many of us are underpaid entertainers and sound engineers) Hey our 10 space rack, with a dozen cables to connect, and the 2404vlz board can now stay in the trailer on standby
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.....and by the way. Does anyone really think it would be a pleasurable experience mixing more than 16 channels on an iPad? The DL has a niche market. Not much bigger than a z10fx but with plenty of power. I didn't buy it to replace an iLive & surface or even a WZ3. It's small and powerful but I wouldn't consider using it for a "massive outdoor festival", except maybe for the beer tent. Don't get me wrong, I love it for what it is. Don't hate it for what it isn't people:)
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Well I've got to give 1.4 a complete thumbs downs. Don't get me wrong, the bug fixes are great, however, how about some REAL feature requests instead of some cool little surface changes.
I'm very disappointed....
So you like the bug fixes and the cool little surface changes but still give it a total thumbs down?
Isn't that at least two positives you've found;)
It's an improvement over 1.3 which was good enough for most people to spend the money.
Future updates seem very likely and that gets a big thumbs up from me!
I never said I like the surface changes, with one exception, at least the icons stay now when the show is saved. But the 'classic/retro' stuff was totally unnecessary in my opinion. I never experienced any of the bug issues but for iPad 1 users obviously that stuff is critical for them.
My main thing is fix the pre/post aux issues, in fact how about some real options for pre/post on every channel instead of across the entire aux bus, this is pretty standard on most other digital mixers.
How about the much needed tempo tap on the main mixer screen??
How about moving/fixing the mute button??
Stereo linking?? Hiding unused channels?? A page with all the masters??
These were all features requested by numerous users that make a REAL difference in the usage and value of the mixer, not some silly classic controls.
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.....and by the way. Does anyone really think it would be a pleasurable experience mixing more than 16 channels on an iPad? The DL has a niche market. Not much bigger than a z10fx but with plenty of power. I didn't buy it to replace an iLive & surface or even a WZ3. It's small and powerful but I wouldn't consider using it for a "massive outdoor festival", except maybe for the beer tent. Don't get me wrong, I love it for what it is. Don't hate it for what it isn't people:)
I know a lot of people here in town that mix using a Presonus StudioLive 24.4.2 so yes they do it and do it regularly.
I also have friend who owns a large sound company and regularly mixes large shows on his LS9 and M7 via his iPad
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With groups and/or DCA's you can have everything you need to "ride" on one page so higher channel counts aren't a problem 8) .
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.....and by the way. Does anyone really think it would be a pleasurable experience mixing more than 16 channels on an iPad? The DL has a niche market. Not much bigger than a z10fx but with plenty of power. I didn't buy it to replace an iLive & surface or even a WZ3. It's small and powerful but I wouldn't consider using it for a "massive outdoor festival", except maybe for the beer tent. Don't get me wrong, I love it for what it is. Don't hate it for what it isn't people:)
I know a lot of people here in town that mix using a Presonus StudioLive 24.4.2 so yes they do it and do it regularly.
I also have friend who owns a large sound company and regularly mixes large shows on his LS9 and M7 via his iPad
Yeah, but those guys have real surfaces to fall back on when the excrement hits the fan!
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Yeah, but those guys have real surfaces to fall back on when the excrement hits the fan!
Not when the M7 is on stage and they're at their 'virtual' FOH a few hundred feet away.
The 24.4.2 in town at one venue is in a tech booth that is no where near where a FOH would typically sit (which is where their bar is) so unless you want to sprint across the room knocking down patrons to get to the 24.4.2 the iPad is also the FOH for this venue.
In both cases, they're not walking around with the iPad to check levels and then walking back to the FOH, there is no FOH, it's all on the iPad
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Hey, each to their own :)
I suppose it would depend on the show, just don't know if it would be for me. Maybe if I had an array of iPads.....?
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I prefer a real control surface whenever possible. And when I don't have one, the preamps really do need to be controllable on the virtual surface. I will get the ix16 when it does ship just for that reason.
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My main thing is fix the pre/post aux issues, in fact how about some real options for pre/post on every channel instead of across the entire aux bus, this is pretty standard on most other digital mixers.
Yes! I do hope they don't cheese out on that :( . Things like the kick drum HAVE TO BE post EQ and maybe even post comp. Keys I usually take post comp except in the keyboardist's monitor feed. Even on the FX buses I want to be able to take the horns pre-fader sometimes. A bit more work that just having them globally switched but why not try to be as good as the iX16 where they can be? :)
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I prefer a real control surface whenever possible. And when I don't have one, the preamps really do need to be controllable on the virtual surface. I will get the ix16 when it does ship just for that reason.
I hope they look into adding some "virtual" trim in like Software Audio Console (http://www.softwareaudioconsole.com) uses. Not perfect but it does somewhat mitigate the lack of remotable headamps :) . Something like 9 dB of "cut" (to "fix" the iPad channel :)) and 18 dB of "boost" in 3 dB increments would make me happy enough. Of course, as you changed this "on the fly" the faders would have to track the change like they do on a "Big Boy's" mixer ;) .
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I prefer a real control surface whenever possible. And when I don't have one, the preamps really do need to be controllable on the virtual surface. I will get the ix16 when it does ship just for that reason.
I hope they look into adding some "virtual" trim in like Software Audio Console (http://www.softwareaudioconsole.com) uses. Not perfect but it does somewhat mitigate the lack of remotable headamps :) .
That would be really nice, I'm just surprised with everything they put in this mixer that they didn't add recallable preamps, it's so easy there is really no excuse...
But a digital trim would be equally nice.
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Hey, each to their own :)
I suppose it would depend on the show, just don't know if it would be for me. Maybe if I had an array of iPads.....?
I think most people do like individual faders, however, that seems to be fading into the past. Even large digital consoles don't typically give you direct access to all of the faders at once, you generally have a few layers or pages of faders, no different than an iPad.
Now the better consoles will typically allow you to pick a few priority channels that will carry over no matter what page or layer you're working on, that would be a nice iPad feature, i.e. to always have your two or three vocal channels always on the left side of the screen.
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I'm just surprised with everything they put in this mixer that they didn't add recallable preamps, it's so easy there is really no excuse...
It actually isn't that easy - AFAIK there are no "off the shelf" inexpensive chips to do that. Behringer probably had a custom designed for their X32 and are only able to afford to put it in the iX16 because it already exists and the incremental cost to make more is fairly low. It would be a HUGE investment for Mackie to do the same - but if they are going to come out with a TT24 replacement they'll have to. Interestingly enough that mixer also had its aux sends post EQ and comp :o .
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It actually isn't that easy - AFAIK there are no "off the shelf" inexpensive chips to do that. Behringer probably had a custom designed for their X32 and are only able to afford to put it in the iX16 because it already exists and the incremental cost to make more is fairly low. It would be a HUGE investment for Mackie to do the same - but if they are going to come out with a TT24 replacement they'll have to. Interestingly enough that mixer also had its aux sends post EQ and comp :o .
There is several ways to do it, including varying the gain of a preamp, this can be done with electronic variable resistor, such as Behringer modification that people do to create a recallable preamp on the SAC consoles.
It could have been done if they wanted to, but it does add cost and they probably wanted to keep it at low as possible.
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With groups and/or DCA's you can have everything you need to "ride" on one page so higher channel counts aren't a problem 8) .
Ding ding ding!
With a couple of improvements this software could easily be used to run a 24, 32, 40, 48 or even 60 channel version of the board.
If they released a 3210 version with a couple of software improvements (Groups layer?) I'd be first in line. Especially if they added a delay option to the sends for remote speakers.
But they seem to be going the other direction at the moment...
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Yup, the DL806 definitely makes me wonder what they were smoking the day they came up with that :o .
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I've got to say for now, 1.4v almost covers every thing I need. It would be nice if they brought out an App to run on a Mac or PC, even if it was just to monitor levels on channels and aux. What would be really sweet is if you could plug a manual control surface via midi/USB into the computer to run the app. A 'plug in' control surface with all channels avalable would open me up to the possablility of using the DL1608 in small theatre productions.
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Yup, the DL806 definitely makes me wonder what they were smoking the day they came up with that :o .
Yea, too bad the DL806, wasn't sized down to iPad Mini size, would have been perfect size and I would buy several.
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Yea, too bad the DL806, wasn't sized down to iPad Mini size, would have been perfect size and I would buy several.
Now that would have been cool 8) . As it is, the DL806 is so close in price to the DL1608 (especially if you factor in the iPad purchase) that there's no reason not to just get the DL1608 x( .
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Yup, the DL806 definitely makes me wonder what they were smoking the day they came up with that :o .
Yea, too bad the DL806, wasn't sized down to iPad Mini size, would have been perfect size and I would buy several.
That would be a very cool little mixer!
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Painless upgrade here... I really like the sound of the vintage eq and compressor... a lot more life to them.
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So getting back on topic and talking about the 1.4 release I made a couple of observations on Saturday night whilst engineering a gig in Fleetwood. My regular band were playing and we were subject to a painfully sensititve noise limiter in the club, which seemed to be tuned to go mad on every guitar solo, no matter how quiet, thus we suffered a few power cuts during the gig. The good news is how the DL1608 now behaves, which was to start back up, start supplying the speakers with signal from the sources again and then very quickly the wireless link would be available (though you do have to manually select it).
So, my observation is that the issue of having to start the wireless router well in advance of the DL1608 seems to not be an issue for me and reconnecting to the desk was straightforward (no needing to rush to the front of the room and dock it). Also, the link seemed much more stable during the gig.
I wasn't really paying that much attention to the meters (which are supposed to have been improved in responce) as I was too busy watching the noise limiter traffic light system and slowly panicking. Also I didn't get a chance to try the vinatage EQ or dynamics, but they are there and I did quite like the analogue meter effect.
Also, the show management is just now as it should have been on day 1, i.e. logical and useable.
Just for note, I'm using a netgear wireless router (can't recall the model, but it was £5 from eBay ;D ) and a new version iPad2.
I hope this is helpful to someone :-)
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To stay on topic, whew, I thought the 1.4 app was supposed to keep wireless connection without the sync screen that pops up ever time you go to a different program. Yet I get a sync screen still. ???
On a happier note I am off to play London. Have fun everyone.
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JL I was not doubting the size if your testicles, sorry I mean festival, however I think you are now making yourself look silly. Seriously if you are playing festivals that size I assume you are in a small beer tent playing to a hundred or so people, and that is about the limit if the DL. I play in a cheesy wedding/party band as a hobby, if we get more than 250 people it is massive to us, and I would get a sound guy in with a proper rig, never dream of using a DL! But it is up to you dude, go play in the freeway with matchbox toy cars if that makes you feel big, then criticise how they cannot keep up with the traffic flow.
That's it, I need to get on With my proper job ... Which by the way is not being a top shot lawyer!
Play nice children.
What does the size of crowd have to do with the usefulness of the DL? I regularly use this mixer at a 500 capacity venue with a substantial PA. Monitor engineer side stage with I pad and FOH engineer roaming freely. Works like a charm.
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That is something I didn't check for, but then I had no need to swap apps during the gig. Will test that one when I get a chance.
I agree about the size of the venue not mattering, at the end of the day its down to the number of channels and config you need. With a lot of rock bands you can get away with a 16 channel desk with no issues. Guess the fun bit is getting a reliable wireless connection over a bit distance, but then again it is probably easier outside than in. Hmm, I need an outdoor festival... ::)
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The room I work is 80x120. Never a problem with wireless connection. It even stays connected when using the rest room!
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The room I work is 80x120. Never a problem with wireless connection. It even stays connected when using the rest room!
Mine stays connected, I think, but every time I switch apps it resyncs. I need to switch to my music app and onsong, and others. I thought this was changed.
I got over 200 feet with my express router over the weekend. That was way more than I expected.
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Hey All
I read through the fisrt three pages. Do i have to worry about losing any settings when I up install the new 1.4?
Chris
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So, my observation is that the issue of having to start the wireless router well in advance of the DL1608 seems to not be an issue for me
Thanks, good to know that Mackie fixed this. I still havent taken the 1.4 plunge. Not having to remember to power up the DL after everything else is the first good reason I've seen for doing so (the improved show management stuff looks handy as well, but with just one iPad, it hasnt been a real issue for me).
Mine stays connected, I think, but every time I switch apps it resyncs.
Bummer. Does it still take about 3 seconds to resynch?
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Chris - you don't lose any settings. The shows and snapshots are all still there. Once the software and hardware are synced up the board will be exactly as it was at your last show.
Kevin - The sync time is way better. Time switching between apps is palatable. I'd say closer to a second.
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Thank you for that quick reply to loading 1.4 and possibly losing anything.
Chris
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I lost some shows when i did the 1.2 to 1.3 ,strangly enough if got them back in 1.4
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I lost some shows when i did the 1.2 to 1.3 ,strangly enough if got them back in 1.4
That's the new "Bermuda Triangle Data Recovery(tm)" feature ;D . Jerry requested that for all them cruises he works :P .
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I really like the upgrade. I know a few people are sceptical about the actual workings of the gate and compressor but I was really happy with the way they worked & sounded.
The show management is definitely more useable and no glitches so far.
I'd been using a different desk for the last few weeks and it was nice to get to grips with the DL again.
It would be nice if they address general usability issues in upcoming releases but this is more than what I paid for already.
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Using the Vintage Settings
Funny thing that I have trouble moving and controlling the clock like controls of the Vintage devices in 1.4. I have been told in the past that on MAc products if you have calouses on your fingers this can be a problem. I have found I had to go back to the modern setting sometimes to adjust. I haven't tried it with my touch pen yet.
Thoughst?
Chris
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Funny thing that I have trouble moving and controlling the clock like controls of the Vintage devices in 1.4.
http://cacophony.aspinock.com/index.php?topic=286.0
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Using the Vintage Settings
Funny thing that I have trouble moving and controlling the clock like controls of the Vintage devices in 1.4. I have been told in the past that on MAc products if you have calouses on your fingers this can be a problem. I have found I had to go back to the modern setting sometimes to adjust. I haven't tried it with my touch pen yet.
Thoughst?
Chris
Don't turn like a knob, slide up and down (like a fader) put your finger on the knob ( leave it on the ipad surface) you now can move anywhere to make adjustments..
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I am not 100% certain this was on the FasterFader software or if I am thinking of Behringer's app, but I remember seeing something in the settings menu where you can change the rotating knobs from "up and down swipe" to rotation, where you actually use the virtual knob as a knob.
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I am not 100% certain this was on the FasterFader software or if I am thinking of Behringer's app, but I remember seeing something in the settings menu where you can change the rotating knobs from "up and down swipe" to rotation, where you actually use the virtual knob as a knob.
Yes, I saw that somewhere but the "up and down" mode is a lot easier to control IMO.
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Just picking back up on the topic of the re-sync when you swap apps or move between wired and wireless connections, it is indeed much quicker now, in the order of a second. The screen still flashes up to say it is synching the device, but it goes away almost as soon as it arrived.
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speaking of the rotating or up and down ....
watch the video of Ben showing the "NEW VINTAGE" crap,
Ben is confused as to the operation of the knob that refuses to turn.
Boy I really like the sound of the Vintage EQ, it is so much better :facepalm:
"VINTAGE" ooh yea!
Unreal
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Back again from more important things such as competitions and concerts. My wife's middle school Octets and Choirs swept the Disneyland "Music in the Park" competition over lots of high schools. Yeah!
I now had the pleasure of reviewing the wonderful DL V1.4 changes and give Mackie an U for effort and a F for execution. The meter problem is still there. If you look at the output meter bar and expect the XLR output to reflect this your out of luck. The meter is post fader and the output (L, R, or any other output) should reflect the value of the meter bar or the other way around. It is still non-linear and off as much as 10 dB if you make certain assumptions.
Someday they might get it right. Technically the whole scale concept as implemented on the DL is a home brewed analog lookalike. No digital mixer (dB Fs) has a standard reference (there is also no positive value in the dB Fs scale). There are several suggested values from Europe and the US but no unified Spec. Could you imagine what the Internet would be like without an agreed upon uniform spec? The audio industry has yet to learn that lesson although some efforts are being made. The K-System comes to mind. Wouldn't it be great if you didn't have to worry about the gain structure of your system?
The pros on V1.4 is the show control and status saving and recall. It's now what it should have been from the get go.
UI (User Interface) need I say more, no change. Vintage Eq's is were this mixer is headed.
The screwdriver is ready for an autopsy.
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V1.4.1 released, conversation continued here:
http://cacophony.aspinock.com/index.php?topic=344.0
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Back again from more important things such as competitions and concerts. My wife's Middle School Octets and Choirs sweep the Disneyland "Music in the Park" competition over lots of high schools,
Yeah!
I now had the pleasure of reviewing the wonderful DL changes in MF v1.4 and give Mackie an U for effort and a F for execution. The meter problem is still there. What bug fixes? If you look at the output meter bar and expect the XLR output to reflect this your out of luck. The meter is post fader and the output (L, R, or any other output) should reflect the value of the meter bar or the other way around. It is still non-linear and off by as much as 10 dB. Someday they might get it right. Here is a comparison between DL1608 and the XAP800. It shows that it can be done.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/7wfpp0c11tewtaa/DL%20d608%20vs%20XAP800.JPG
The Digital realm has no mathematical relationship to the Analog realm until a specific implementation is created and then you can measure the relationship of dB Fs (digital) vs. dBu (analog). There is no universally defined reference for digital. There are several suggested values from Europe and the US but no single agreed upon Spec.. Mackie on the 1604 VLZ used dBu as the meter reference. Meter types are a whole new topic. This time it appears that the max of 21 dBu output is assumed to be 0 dB Fs and 0 meter value is +6 dBu as measured. No reason given this time. . The source for gain structure issues in most kit.
Could you imagine what the Internet would be like without an agreed upon uniform spec? The audio industry has yet to learn that lesson although some efforts are being made. The K-System comes to mind for loudness. Nothing for equipment other than an old an very lose +4dBu for 0 on a Vu meter.
The pros on V1.4 is the show control and status saving and recall. It's now what it should have been from the get go.
UI (User Interface) need I say more, no change. Vintage Eq's is were this mixer is headed.