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Unofficial Mackie User Forums => DL1608/DL806/DL32R/ProDX Mixers => Topic started by: Silvertopsolarnut on April 16, 2015, 07:37:02 PM
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Just downloaded both to see the difference,VRP7 to my ears sounds cleaner. So my question is are these recorders stand alone? If I still want to record the L/R mains am I stuck going back to the internal dl1608 recorder and iTunes ? I had hoped mackies app and voice record pro would work together......
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According to the developer, they are 100% identical except for the "skin". And yes, they can record whatever the Master Fader app can record.
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I was just unsure how to hard connect the I pad with the dl1608 main out XLRs. I went looking and found 1/8 to XLRs mic adapters on line for external iPad mics. I didn't know the phone out was also the mic in......If I'm going down the wrong path let me know.
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I was just unsure how to hard connect the I pad with the dl1608 main out XLRs. I went looking and found 1/8 to XLRs mic adapters on line for external iPad mics. I didn't know the phone out was also the mic in......If I'm going down the wrong path let me know.
Bad idea due to universal phantom power. Get 3.5mm to TS connectors that way you won't eventually kill your iPad.
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3.5mm to 1/4 ts is mush safer to avoid phantom power when inputting sound. I also need to record out and the only two options I know of are phones out or mains XLR out. I Thought I read that phones out to IPad could damage the I pad? I figured Keep it simple and XLR out of the main to IPad, I don't believe mains out XLR has universal phantom. Anyone know for sure.....
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I would also like to learn the basics of recording my live shows. I've stayed away from it after reading about the MF recording program and it's limitations.
So what you're saying here is that you install this voice record program on a spare iPad, connect it via the headphone 1/8 jack to a main or mon output on the board, and make your recordings?
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I haven't set this up yet, I'm trying not to make any mistakes. I used to record on our old bands Presonus to Mac mini. I believe this is correct, just looking for anyone who has done this. I'm not looking for studio quality, just something I can mix out for a descent sound and not spend a lot on......
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I was just unsure how to hard connect the I pad with the dl1608 main out XLRs. I went looking and found 1/8 to XLRs mic adapters on line for external iPad mics. I didn't know the phone out was also the mic in......If I'm going down the wrong path let me know.
Why aren't you just docking it?
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Why not just record to Voice Record via the dock connection? Why use the XLR output of the dl1608 into a cludgy connector/adapter mess?
Start your voice record software while your iPad is docked and Master Fader is running. It works fine. If all you are trying to get is the L/R mains recording.
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I have the IPad docked, the recorder works fine but you can't replay back through the house to let everyone listen. You need to take the I pad home hard connect to our Mac mini and file share through iTunes. Them I read that people were using Voice record pro and it can play back on the spot, sounds like a winner, but as far as as I can see it just works like a handheld recorder. That's why I was trying to replace the internal recorder with one that would record our house mix out of the board and give everyone a listen.....
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Anyone know for a fact if the L/R output is carrying phantom power ever? Inputs I understand, but the way I was reading it was that the op was wanting to take the L/R output and put it into an undocked ipad.
As far as docking the ipad, that should work for recording, then playing back through the ipad channel. (I'd do this before purchasing any cables.) I think your recording program would work in that setup and I also suspect that the internal patching would also work so you could still pick your sound source. (If anyone knows this to be wishful thinking only, please let me know. I don't do much recording through the ipad.)
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I was going to dock it and try a test with voice record pro and see if it did patch back just haven't been able to yet.
We leave the DL1608 at the stage and the IPads we take home,and are going out of town till next Saturday. This is going to bug me till we get back and try.
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I was just unsure how to hard connect the I pad with the dl1608 main out XLRs. I went looking and found 1/8 to XLRs mic adapters on line for external iPad mics. I didn't know the phone out was also the mic in......If I'm going down the wrong path let me know.
Yes you are going down the wrong path. I answered your cable question thinking you would connect whatever to the mixer. If on the other hand you're just wanting to use VoiceRecord to record and playback on the DL you need to dock it and of course use MF3.x. No cables required, no inputs used up not meant for recording. You can however remap the iPad record input with your own selection of channels not just L&R. The MF3 has no control over VoiceRecord in the start/stop area, you need to switch to VC for that. It's not a hardship since you really can only do one thing at a time anyway. If you want to complain target Apple for their sandbox the apps concept. When all else fails RTFM.
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I was just unsure how to hard connect the I pad with the dl1608 main out XLRs. I went looking and found 1/8 to XLRs mic adapters on line for external iPad mics. I didn't know the phone out was also the mic in......If I'm going down the wrong path let me know.
Yes you are going down the wrong path. I answered your cable question thinking you would connect whatever to the mixer. If on the other hand you're just wanting to use VoiceRecord to record and playback on the DL you need to dock it and of course use MF3.x. No cables required, no inputs used up not meant for recording. You can however remap the iPad record input with your own selection of channels not just L&R. The MF3 has no control over VoiceRecord in the start/stop area, you need to switch to VC for that. It's not a hardship since you really can only do one thing at a time anyway. If you want to complain target Apple for their sandbox the apps concept. When all else fails RTFM.
Thanks for the clarification. Can I use Voice Record this way with MF 2.x?
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I was just unsure how to hard connect the I pad with the dl1608 main out XLRs. I went looking and found 1/8 to XLRs mic adapters on line for external iPad mics. I didn't know the phone out was also the mic in......If I'm going down the wrong path let me know.
Yes you are going down the wrong path. I answered your cable question thinking you would connect whatever to the mixer. If on the other hand you're just wanting to use VoiceRecord to record and playback on the DL you need to dock it and of course use MF3.x. No cables required, no inputs used up not meant for recording. You can however remap the iPad record input with your own selection of channels not just L&R. The MF3 has no control over VoiceRecord in the start/stop area, you need to switch to VC for that. It's not a hardship since you really can only do one thing at a time anyway. If you want to complain target Apple for their sandbox the apps concept. When all else fails RTFM.
Thanks for the clarification. Can I use Voice Record this way with MF 2.x?
It's a crap shoot since "white noise" is still a possibility AFAIK not fixed in MF classic. Most won't have a problem but Murphy is alive and well. ;)
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I was just unsure how to hard connect the I pad with the dl1608 main out XLRs. I went looking and found 1/8 to XLRs mic adapters on line for external iPad mics. I didn't know the phone out was also the mic in......If I'm going down the wrong path let me know.
Yes you are going down the wrong path. I answered your cable question thinking you would connect whatever to the mixer. If on the other hand you're just wanting to use VoiceRecord to record and playback on the DL you need to dock it and of course use MF3.x. No cables required, no inputs used up not meant for recording. You can however remap the iPad record input with your own selection of channels not just L&R. The MF3 has no control over VoiceRecord in the start/stop area, you need to switch to VC for that. It's not a hardship since you really can only do one thing at a time anyway. If you want to complain target Apple for their sandbox the apps concept. When all else fails RTFM.
Thanks for the clarification. Can I use Voice Record this way with MF 2.x?
It's a crap shoot since "white noise" is still a possibility AFAIK not fixed in MF classic. Most won't have a problem but Murphy is alive and well. ;)
I thought that the white noise problem was related to iPad playback via airplay. So I could potentially get it just by hitting the record button on a docked iPad?
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white noise is in Master Fader 2.1.1..... And in classic. It's fixed in Master Fader 3.x Most of us never experienced it, but if you use the classic version, it might raise its ugly head. While Mackie fixed the problem, they didn't tell us what actually caused it. I'm guessing that they just rewrote most of Master Fader as the fix. (Maybe all of it.)
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white noise is in Master Fader 2.1.1..... And in classic. It's fixed in Master Fader 3.x Most of us never experienced it, but if you use the classic version, it might raise its ugly head. While Mackie fixed the problem, they didn't tell us what actually caused it. I'm guessing that they just rewrote most of Master Fader as the fix. (Maybe all of it.)
It's a good bet that they probably really didn't know the cause either. Like you said they fixed it with MF 3.X and that's all that counts. ;)
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white noise is in Master Fader 2.1.1..... And in classic. It's fixed in Master Fader 3.x Most of us never experienced it, but if you use the classic version, it might raise its ugly head. While Mackie fixed the problem, they didn't tell us what actually caused it. I'm guessing that they just rewrote most of Master Fader as the fix. (Maybe all of it.)
It's a good bet that they probably really didn't know the cause either. Like you said they fixed it with MF 3.X and that's all that counts. ;)
So you guys are saying it just happens randomly? I've never experienced it in 2 years, probably 60 or more gigs.
I could swear that it only happened to users of Airplay. I'll have to look back and do some reading.
Regardless - Can anyone answer my question about using Voice Record with MF 2.1? Does it just work when you install the software, and push the record button in MF? Or do I need the routing function available in 3.0?
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white noise is in Master Fader 2.1.1..... And in classic. It's fixed in Master Fader 3.x Most of us never experienced it, but if you use the classic version, it might raise its ugly head. While Mackie fixed the problem, they didn't tell us what actually caused it. I'm guessing that they just rewrote most of Master Fader as the fix. (Maybe all of it.)
It's a good bet that they probably really didn't know the cause either. Like you said they fixed it with MF 3.X and that's all that counts. ;)
So you guys are saying it just happens randomly? I've never experienced it in 2 years, probably 60 or more gigs.
I could swear that it only happened to users of Airplay. I'll have to look back and do some reading.
Regardless - Can anyone answer my question about using Voice Record with MF 2.1? Does it just work when you install the software, and push the record button in MF? Or do I need the routing function available in 3.0?
I already answered that, what don't you understand? The MF3 has no control over VoiceRecord in the start/stop area, you need to switch to VC for that. Nor does 2.x or classic.
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You don't even need Master Fader installed on the docked iPad to be able to record from the DL1608 through the docking connector into most any app that can record. Obviously you need Master Fader on some connected iPad to control the mixer - whether docked or connected wireless. Most recording apps can continue recording in the background if you need to switch to another app such as Master Fader.
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I don't recall anyone having the white noise from airplay. I only recall it coming from the ipad channel while docked and playing music through it. And most of us never experienced it. (Never happened to me.) So if you're running classic and playing music through airplay, you shouldn't have it happen. (Because with airplay, you're using regular channels for the music.) There will be a lot of DL1608 users who never had it happen. There are a few users who had it happen any time they played music out the ipad channel for more than a few minutes. And there is that scary part that just because you've never had it happen, doesn't mean it won't happen. (Only with Master Fader 2.x or MF Classic.) However Mackie fixed it in MF 3.x they deserve Kudos. Not easy figuring out intermittent bugs. Easier to find something that is just broken.
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I had the white noise problem, nothing to do with airplay (never use it). Just happened with docked ipad and seemed to be provoked when doing something like changing screens or EQing.
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I don't recall anyone having the white noise from airplay. I only recall it coming from the ipad channel while docked and playing music through it. And most of us never experienced it. (Never happened to me.) So if you're running classic and playing music through airplay, you shouldn't have it happen. (Because with airplay, you're using regular channels for the music.) There will be a lot of DL1608 users who never had it happen. There are a few users who had it happen any time they played music out the ipad channel for more than a few minutes. And there is that scary part that just because you've never had it happen, doesn't mean it won't happen. (Only with Master Fader 2.x or MF Classic.) However Mackie fixed it in MF 3.x they deserve Kudos. Not easy figuring out intermittent bugs. Easier to find something that is just broken.
Good to know. I've never used the iPad channel and likely never will.
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With the DL806 or DL1608, there are times when channels are in short supply. That's when the ipad channel comes in handy. Remember, there isn't a problem with Master Fader 3.x.
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With the DL806 or DL1608, there are times when channels are in short supply. That's when the ipad channel comes in handy. Remember, there isn't a problem with Master Fader 3.x.
Yep, and one of the main selling points for me was that i would get to use ALL 16 channels for mixing instead of sacrificing 2 channels for set break music, which effectively makes a 16 channel mixer only a 14 channel mixer.
This wouldn't be a problem for me if it was a DL2408 8)
The White noise problems I had prior to MF3 were present on both my DL1608's, and would happen without fail every time I tried to play music from a docked iPad. Any docked ipad.
BenO tried to explain to me HOW it was happening, but they didn't know WHY it was happening.
Doesn't matter anymore because MF3 fixed that problem completely. Not one singe incident of "white noise" since updating to MF3.
I finally had the 16 channel mixer I paid for :)
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Given the DL's ability to record only 2 tracks... Assuming that the OP is making noise while playing - not everybody playing direct and monitoring on phones - I would just hang a used Zoom H2 or H4 and patch it to a couple of cables. If there is no noise involved, creat and aux mix and send that to a recorder's inputs direct and patch the outputs back.
I like the DL a bunch but live recording is a complete after thought. As a small sound co guy, my SL boards generate revenue via live recording. My DL does not... Which is sad as there is a lot to love about the DL's workflow and packaging.
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I use the iPad channel for background at every gig. No issues since the first time I undocked while the music was playing - once was enough! Nice to know that MF 3.x cured other random stuff though...
So the iPad channel saves a couple of tracks but in reality so do the effects returns. Back in the bad old analog days I always burned an additional pair of channels for a rev and a delay return so that I could apply the channel strip EQ as well... I would go back to analog in a heartbeat... If someone was holding a gun to my head...
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Finally got to try recording with this program and the DL1608; docked the iPad; opened VRP; noticed that the gain is missing when it's docked. Made a recording and switched back to Master Fader and played back through the house; very nice, good volume. Undocked the iPad; tried to listen to the recording from VRP both with iPad speakers and powered speakers-NO volume. Noticed that the VU meters on VRP-that the recording level was weak, but recorded anyway as there was no way to adjust gain. Did not want to mess with the gain for Master Fader as it would have changed our levels out of the house. I thought I read somewhere that some folks were using AUX 6 to record from. Can someone verify that this works for the volume issue, or is there another way?
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Can someone verify that this works for the volume issue, or is there another way?
http://cacophony.aspinock.com/index.php?topic=616.msg8997#msg8997
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Exported mp4 to audio Normalizer, this raises the volume to burn CD problem solved! If we want to record individual tracks we'll do this recording at home, but for instant gratification of playing back in the venue - this is the ticket for our band. This was the first time I could stand back 75 feet and hear what my guitar sounds like in the house! Voice recorder pro interacts and records well with master fader and instantly plays back with master fader through the IPad. Then just export to audio Normalizer as stated above to raise the volume for a CD nice.....I hope others don't need to work so hard to get to this simple recording...... :)
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Exported mp4 to audio Normalizer, this raises the volume to burn CD problem solved!
That has to decode and re-encode so you lose a generation of quality. The link in my previous post explains how to normalize without the quality loss 8) . Oh, and make sure you record in 24 bit mode...
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Also tried this seems to work fine, from voice record pro convert to mp3 and just import to garage band the volume is good and you can burn to CD.
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BTW almost all CD players can play data discs that have MP3 files on them so usually no need to burn a real audio CD. As I implied the fewer conversions you do the better the quality :) . And to be clear, the iPad has native hardware support for recording in MP4 format so should be your first choice unless you really need an MP3 file as your final result. When you record in MP3 format you are using a software encoder and also need to go up 50% or so in bitrate to get equivalent quality - a 128 Kbps MP4 is about as good as a 196 Kbps MP3.
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We recorded in voice record pro in mp4, 128kbps and imported into garage band and it was locked so we converted to mp3 format in voice record pro. Ist CD from garage band mp3 format cd-r would not play in older boom box or older car CD player. So we imported mp3 into I tunes and burned as audio CD from there. Quality seemed good.....
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To answer an earlier comment, I do record from aux 6. Thx to the record matrix in ver3 you can specify the source for recording. I set aux 6 as L and R. This allows me to set levels including the master aux level completely independent of the foh or other monitor send. If you want true stereo then set aux 5 as L and aux 6 as R. I need 5 auxes so my recording is mono. We playback tracks at rehearsal easily for review
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I finally had an opportunity to try Voice Record, in its free version, and it was enough to convince me to buy the pro... even if just to say thank you for a great tool. Simple front end, but the amount of export options is just superb. I didn't do anything fancy, just recorded the main output from last nights charity fund raiser, where I was running my HK Audio rig with everything mic'd and the levels up at a point where contribution from the backline was pretty small. I ended up with some decent results, levels were good and the overall balance wasn't bad. With a bit of time in Audacity or SoundForge, I am sure they would be good enough for demos.
This gets a :thu: from me... Mackie take note and make your recording facility as good as this! ;D