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Unofficial Mackie User Forums => DL1608/DL806/DL32R/ProDX Mixers => Topic started by: beno on February 03, 2015, 05:35:12 PM
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We've got some My Fader v3.0 news.
Thanks for your patience. We know it hasn't been the most awesome experience waiting for this app to release.
Of course, our goal is to provide a stable app and we have been working hard to ensure this.
BUT, we know there’s a good amount of you out there that need this app to get the job done.
So, by early next week, we will release a public BETA version of My Fader v3.0.
We’ve been working hard since we previewed My Fader 3.0 at the NAMM show in January and it is now in great shape for many of our users.
Keep in mind that it is a BETA version, with some risk of encountering bugs, etc. So, only sign up for this release if you are willing to accept that. Tech support will be helpful for general usage questions, but will obviously not be able to fix bugs or performance issues with this BETA version.
To sign up and get on the list, email BetaRequest@dlseries.zendesk.com
When the public BETA version of My Fader v3.0 is ready you will receive an email with download instructions. This is also the right email to use to report any bugs you come across to ensure the official release version is solid.
Thanks again for your patience. We hope this will help most of you get up and running again with My Fader.
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Thanks for the update Ben :)
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I've said it once,
I'll say it again...
Thank you Ben for all you do!
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OK, obviously the newest model is going to have the horsepower to run this HOWEVER, what is the least one should run? I do not have a bottomless pocketbook and I'd be buying this so others in the band could use it. SO... I was thinking like an older Ipad Mini or even an Itouch. Opinions?
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FWIW MF should run on any iPad. I don't believe the BS about GPU issues or any such. The iPad is only running control signals which take far less graphic processing than a typical game.
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More smoke and mirrors from the Mackie marketing department. Why is this topic even permanent???
I gave it the benefit of the doubt in another thread here. http://cacophony.aspinock.com/index.php?topic=771.msg10411#msg10411
It really deserves less. BenO do you have the hutzpa to finally state the new software requires a Lightning connector version of the DL and a recent iPad to function reasonably well? Is that the reason behind the recent rash of low prices for the 30 pin DL?
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More smoke and mirrors from the Mackie marketing department. Why is this topic even permanent???
I gave it the benefit of the doubt in another thread here. http://cacophony.aspinock.com/index.php?topic=771.msg10411#msg10411
It really deserves less. BenO do you have the hutzpa to finally state the new software requires a Lightning connector version of the DL and a recent iPad to function reasonably well? Is that the reason behind the recent rash of low prices for the 30 pin DL?
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I have an ipad2, dont know exact what i did but , with mf3.0.1 and 3.0.2 id dont have any lag any more, used it yesterday an a live gig: not problems, and using the 30pin connector dl1608
Why all the negativety wk ????
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I think WK is trying to get us to toss our DLs and purchase Behringers. I'm done purchasing mixers. (Possibly for the rest of my life. Can't do this forever.)
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I've tried MF3.0.2 on my wife's iPad 2 and there is noticeably less lag in the PEQ. Not perfect. But useable now.
Mackie musta fixed something.
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I think WK is trying to get us to toss our DLs and purchase Behringers. I'm done purchasing mixers. (Possibly for the rest of my life. Can't do this forever.)
Nah just the Brooklyn bridge. Case you haven't figured this out yet it's a real high maintenance product. Nobody I know wants you to sell your DL.
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I think WK is trying to get us to toss our DLs and purchase Behringers.
Off topic..kinda. I work for a local band that is made up of friends from past bands, who used to use my services regularly back in the 90's
Not as much money being paid by venues anymore so they asked me to put together an inexpensive PA system so they didn't have to hire one for every gig.
The dollars they specified only allowed me to buy Behringer speakers.
Long story short, we've done several dozen trouble free gigs with the Behringer gear. We are all surprised at the reliability.. So far.
None of us thought we'd get this much work from the Behringers without at least some kind of issue.
It only took 4 gigs to cover the cost of the PA gear, leads, mixer, etc.
No they don't sound fantastic. But they do sound perfectly ok for the gigs we are doing though.
I even own 3 pieces of Behringer gear, and the only issue I had was with the GEQ power supply which died well within warranty and has be rock solid since repair.
The two Behringer Eurolive B215A speaker cabs I have get used for drum fill and they absolutely rock!
Every drummer I've used them for has said they are the best drum fill they've ever had.
And if I blow 'em up it doesn't matter much coz they were cheap as chips in the first place.
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That was agedhorse's point. If a Behringer product fails, plan on purchasing a replacement instead of repairing it. Cheap up front. Might not stay that way. So out of the 3 Behringer products that I've owed. 1 failed, 1 I gave away and my cable tester I use regularly.
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BenO do you have the hutzpa to finally state the new software requires a Lightning connector version of the DL and a recent iPad to function reasonably well?
Works fine on my iPad 2Is that the reason behind the recent rash of low prices for the 30 pin DL?
Maybe because they don't make 30 pin iPads anymore so are selling off this now obsolete inventory :facepalm: ? I suppose they could convert and repackage them but it's probably more profitable to just discount them.
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Obviously there’s still a big discrepancy between experiences with MF 3.X on older iPad models. I upgraded my iPad 2 to Master Fader 3.0.2 and there was no improvement over 3.0.1. Actually 3.0.1 was a little better IMHO.
I then updated the DL to the new firmware, and ran MF docked. The fader lag was still there. I then removed the iPad and ran it wirelessly. Just the same. I can use it if I am careful when running it live. It looks like I am going to have pony up for a new iPad soon to keep up with future Master Fader updates. :(
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I have a dl32 and it connected to my ipad and started the firmware update and then my ipad died from not charging it. problem is I can't connect now to dl32 its like it has frozen up. any suggestions.
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Try a factory reset, (force update) follow the procedure on page 8 of the manual. This may or may not work, it's very important not to interrupt an update as it may corrupt the firmware eprom. Don't update over wifi, do it wired, and make sure the iPad is fully charged before doing an update is the usual advice.
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Don't update over wifi, do it wired,
And how exactly does one do that with a DL32R? ;)
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"Wired" - lotsa' coffee? Lol
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Don't update over wifi, do it wired,
And how exactly does one do that with a DL32R? ;)
Ah...... I just read the manual :-[ There's no wired iPad connection is there. That's distinctly dodgy, you know maybe I'm turning into WK but that would give me the screaming heebie-jeebies. I've had situations where the wifi was dodgy and being able to plug the iPad in was a gig-saver.
Ok, delete the line about plugging in in my earlier post, but, definitely make sure the iPad is fully charged ond/or plugged into it's charger before updating.
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Don't update over wifi, do it wired,
And how exactly does one do that with a DL32R? ;)
Ok, delete the line about plugging in in my earlier post, but, definitely make sure the iPad is fully charged ond/or plugged into it's charger before updating.
Ah...... I just read the manual :-[ There's no wired iPad connection is there. That's distinctly dodgy, you know maybe I'm turning into WK but that would give me the screaming heebie-jeebies. I've had situations where the wifi was dodgy and being able to plug the iPad in was a gig-saver.
Being like me Sam would only make you wiser and older. :) Best to re-read pg. 8 and 11 of the manual and revise the advise. Are you doubting Mackie? ;D
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Don't like to whine, but really, how hard would it have been for one of those USB connections in the back of the DL32R to be useable for direct wire connection to the ipad? It's not like Mackie doesn't know how to do that. (Just exactly like on the Dl1608) I'm with the others suggesting that being able to have a wired connection is a good thing at least for updating the firmware. (And as a backup to any wireless problems.) I had my airport express fry in the middle of a show. (Replaced under warranty.) Do DL32R owners need to carry a spare? (Probably a good idea without a wired option.)
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+1 here for sure ::)
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Do DL32R owners need to carry a spare? (Probably a good idea without a wired option.)
I carry a spare router with my DL1608...
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Don't like to whine, but really, how hard would it have been for one of those USB connections in the back of the DL32R to be useable for direct wire connection to the ipad? It's not like Mackie doesn't know how to do that. (Just exactly like on the Dl1608) I'm with the others suggesting that being able to have a wired connection is a good thing at least for updating the firmware. (And as a backup to any wireless problems.) I had my airport express fry in the middle of a show. (Replaced under warranty.) Do DL32R owners need to carry a spare? (Probably a good idea without a wired option.)
They could also configure the Ethernet port to do dual duty as in the Berry X Series. But that would require porting MF to Mac, Windows and Android. :eek: Probably never. ::) In the meantime as Wynnd stated, the USB port would be the easiest to adapt and probably the less costly. Definitely needs some sort of option to connect directly to it.
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I always have two Airprot Express routers with me on all jobs. Since I have an Allen & Heathn Qu24 that uses one, the "backup" roouter is built into the DL32R rack since my wireless receivers are in that same rack.
Basically my DL32R and it's router becomes a backup system for the QU24.
We will only need a backup when we don't have one. :)
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I can't for the life of me imagine why firmware updates and restores on a 2000 dollar machine are not carried out off a usb stick or similar and why backups of your settings can not be dumped to a stick or HD and wrapped in cotton wool inside a fire proof safe, etc,
Having no wired connection though to just charge a pad, that's just lazy.
Kev
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Having no wired connection though to just charge a pad, that's just lazy.
Kev
And stupid!
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If you're gonna be OK with spending $2K on the DL32R another 5 bux for an iPad charger to put in the rack isn't gonna break you ;) .
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I can certainly agree with the need to connect the iPad directly to the DL32R in the evnt of router failure,
but I do not agree on the request of the USB port being "changed" just so it can charge i-devices.
There are so many other things we bring to the job, mics, stands, cables, speakers, subs, amps....
an iPad charger is insignficant compared to all the stuff we bring and should always be in a case or rack somewhere...
with the correct Apple cable.
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But by the same argument it's something extra we shouldn't need to bring
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Just a quick note: When I upgraded to MF 3.0.2 the firmware needed to be updated too. I was having that problem with a fully charged ipad not connecting to charge and it couldn't see the wired connection. After rebooting the ipad twice, I gave in and upgraded the firmware wirelessly. After rebooting the ipad one more time, I was able to connect correctly while docked. (Really don't know why, but I'm blaming it on the firmware not be updated yet.)
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I'm sure we're all painfully aware that My Fader 3.X is still not in the app store yet. Here's an excerpt from Facebook in case some haven't already seen this.
"As you know, My Fader v3.0 will be available for release soon also. We hope that those participating in the public beta test have had a good experience. If anyone else is interested, we are still accepting beta testers. Email us at news@mackie.com if you'd like to try out My Fader v3.0 before full public launch"
So they're still looking for Beta Testers. Might be a little while before we see the finished product. :(
PS: Just wanted to add that I think and hope that this delay means that Mackie is working hard to make it a versatile and stable app. :)
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The whole thing is friggin shambles.
Master fader, And My Fader upgrades should be released at the same time. Not months apart.
I'm gunna email the Mackie tards for a my fader beta. Sick and tired of the delay ::)
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Might as well, Mackie treats us all like beta testers anyway.
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Sounds like all the MicroSoft complaints I've been hearing for decades.
Now where is the perfect mixer app? Who has seen the one app that has no problems, no quirks and no shortcomings running on the device that has no problems, no quirks and no shortcomings? I surely haven't seen it. And don't forget to add the perfect WiFi device that also has no problems, no quirks and no shortcomings. (Probably the most stable item involved and I had one crap out during a show. For that reason alone, I like the ability to dock the ipad. That is what saved me that day.)
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I'm sure we're all painfully aware that My Fader 3.X is still not in the app store yet. Here's an excerpt from Facebook in case some haven't already seen this.
"As you know, My Fader v3.0 will be available for release soon also. We hope that those participating in the public beta test have had a good experience. If anyone else is interested, we are still accepting beta testers. Email us at news@mackie.com if you'd like to try out My Fader v3.0 before full public launch"
So they're still looking for Beta Testers. Might be a little while before we see the finished product. :(
Be happy it's not a two day Beta test like MF3. Somebody must have looked up the meaning of Beta test at Mackie. :)
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Now where is the perfect mixer app?
Yamaha's StageMix is a pretty solid piece of kit. They were first out of the box, and have been slowly and steadily improving it.
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If it were perfect, why would they change anything on it? I'm guessing it wasn't perfect.
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If it were perfect, why would they change anything on it? I'm guessing it wasn't perfect.
Really Wynnd ! to improve and stay ahead of the competition. ??? Not that Yamaha doesn't have problems but it never takes them 2 years to fix them.
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Apple is updating the OS-X every year and ios about that often. In the 18 months that I've had the DL1608, there have been 6 updates. (Ok, only one was a major.) I don't know about before that. But that sounds like Mackie is following your suggestion before you suggested it. So why are you whining?
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Of course what I'm really wondering is what app, doesn't hiccup, doesn't ever hang, works on every tablet type. Come on. You know that doesn't exist. Not now and probably not ever. Generally if you need perfection, you should probably be using a MixWiz. (Much better than the possible problems with all the digital mixers.) But I'm not going back. I'll just live with all the quirks.
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If it were perfect, why would they change anything on it? I'm guessing it wasn't perfect.
Didn't say it was. Excuse me for thinking you were asking an actual question.
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Now where is the perfect mixer app?
Yamaha's StageMix is a pretty solid piece of kit. They were first out of the box, and have been slowly and steadily improving it.
Solid, yes. First, yes. Slow & steady improvements, yes. However, far from full mix facilities.
I have maintained that Behringer borrowed from the Stage mix as their general UI design to build upon.
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Guess I'm getting tired of all the "it's not perfect" whining about the DL series of mixers. Now seeing that there isn't a perfect mixer out there, I'd be happy if it all dropped to how can this be improved, and much less, I'm not happy.
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Guess I'm getting tired of all the "it's not perfect" whining about the DL series of mixers. Now seeing that there isn't a perfect mixer out there, I'd be happy if it all dropped to how can this be improved, and much less, I'm not happy.
You created the "perfect" concept. So who's whining?
Non-fanboy opinions = whining
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Don't think I ever whined about it not being perfect. I'm used to not perfect. I didn't freak out that the PEQ lag in modern on MF 3.x made it "unusable". (Didn't buy that then and I don't buy it now.) I find Master Fader 3.x to be functional and have goodies that I'll probably never use and some goodies that weren't available on MF 2.x that I will use. There's really only one screen that I don't expect to use and that's the overview. Too much and too small. It works, but I don't see myself needing or using it. (Others might find it useful.) I would like a few more programmable Mutes for my theatrical shows. (Boy are those useful!) More programmable views would help too. The group I'm doing sound for only has 14 wireless mics, so 16 channels works out perfectly. (Need the others for audio input.) This year's show will be in a restaurant instead of the auditorium. Should be challenging.
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Of course what I'm really wondering is what app, doesn't hiccup, doesn't ever hang, works on every tablet type. Come on. You know that doesn't exist. Not now and probably not ever. Generally if you need perfection, you should probably be using a MixWiz. (Much better than the possible problems with all the digital mixers.) But I'm not going back. I'll just live with all the quirks.
Hiccups occur, no doubt. Certainly not perfect. Stability differences do exist across the varying apps & versions, OS & versions and hardware that many have read about and documented on this forum. I state from experience as an owner/user of MF, X-Mix, and SLRemote that any hiccups of MF/DL1608 far exceeded any combined hiccups of X-Mix & SLRemote combined.
It would not just be a contention, but factual, to state that the history of the Mackie Master Fader app version releases has had the greatest burden upon the users in an any attempt to utilize existing hardware, comparative to other manufacturer apps. Exacerbating the situation is the MasterFader one size fits all approach and lack of PC/Mac or Android offerings.
To be fair and factual, X-Mix current version now requires iOS 6.1, however previous X-Mix on iOS 5.xx is still fully compatible with an X32 product running FW version 1.5 if needed or by choice.
SLremote original is iOS 4.3 minimum compatible. And of note, SLRemote AI is 6.xx, and UC Surface is 7.xx minimum.
Yamaha, Roland, and A&H apps are all iOS 5 compatible, allowing for use of an iPad One. A&H iLive MixPad, OneMix, and Offline apps are even iOS 4.3 compatible. And of particular note, A&H iLive MixPad is a $99.99 US Apple App Store download.
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Don't think I ever whined about it not being perfect. I'm used to not perfect. I didn't freak out that the PEQ lag in modern on MF 3.x made it "unusable". (Didn't buy that then and I don't buy it now.) I find Master Fader 3.x to be functional and have goodies that I'll probably never use and some goodies that weren't available on MF 2.x that I will use. There's really only one screen that I don't expect to use and that's the overview. Too much and too small. It works, but I don't see myself needing or using it. (Others might find it useful.) I would like a few more programmable Mutes for my theatrical shows. (Boy are those useful!) More programmable views would help too. The group I'm doing sound for only has 14 wireless mics, so 16 channels works out perfectly. (Need the others for audio input.) This year's show will be in a restaurant instead of the auditorium. Should be challenging.
Hi Wynnd,
Let me first say that I think you'll do just fine with your experience at the new location. :thu:
Now...I did whine somewhat about the “lag” IMHO, but as you said it was useable. I did run it at a show with the iPad 2 and I was okay with it. I was very careful pushing the faders, but the type of venue didn’t require (lightning) quick responses from myself. I actually like the new version for the Trim feature mainly and the updated look. The overview screen is too small, but I can sort of see the advantage of being able to drill down to one section quickly though. It would be nice on a much larger screen. Come on iPad Pro!
I may come off as a little two faced here, after my post about not getting a new iPad just because the app really requires it. I finally gave in and got an iPad Air 2. It was sort of an upcoming early birthday present that my better half didn’t mind too much. Wow, I really noticed, in my perception, a substantial improvement in MF 3.0.2. It runs just like MF 2.X did on the iPad 2. And the Retina display makes MF look nicer too, I think. It is sort of a sad thing that this app, in my books was really designed with the newer iPads in mind. Progress. ::)
Good luck with the show and new location!!! ;)
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Sounds like all the MicroSoft complaints I've been hearing for decades.
Now where is the perfect mixer app?
Is the question about a MIXER app or PERSONAL mixer app? Just considering that I may have gone off topic from the OP with my previous replies to what I thought were references to MIXER apps.
Anyways, the perfect app would be the one you code for yourself, pay someone to, or find one to your liking and best use of. It is all subjective.
For what should be of interest, I suggest to compare the PEQ frequency points between apps as proof of not UI differences but DSP software differences.
An iPad2 with iOS7.1 will run all available apps for evaluation and comparative purposes.
But for the record, in my not so humble opinion, I offer the farthest from perfect, nomination for `Worst Live Performance Digital Audio Mixer software/app implementation......
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Soundcraft VISi Remote and Offline Editor.
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I've programmed some, but I would rather modify a well documented app than write one from scratch. (That documentation was stressed as the weak point on all software maintenance. It's usually missing or very bad.)
Lightning fast? That isn't something that pad mixing is good for. If I were in a hurry to make changes, I can't see anything with separate menus being good for that. That would be time to go back to a nicely laid out analog board. Maybe the StudioLive mixers are a good blend of analog design and digital flexibility. (The DL isn't in my mind.)
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I've programmed some, but I would rather modify a well documented app than write one from scratch. (That documentation was stressed as the weak point on all software maintenance. It's usually missing or very bad.)
Lightning fast? That isn't something that pad mixing is good for. If I were in a hurry to make changes, I can't see anything with separate menus being good for that. That would be time to go back to a nicely laid out analog board. Maybe the StudioLive mixers are a good blend of analog design and digital flexibility. (The DL isn't in my mind.)
Having used analog boards for the better part of 35 years, and the StudioLive since its introduction, I can tell you that the StudioLive isn't a "lightning fast" board to use. I haven't found any digital desk that's as quick to use as an analog. I don't think there's a digital desk out there (at least none that I've seen) that doesn't require at least one extra step for any function except, maybe, main mix levels -- and that's assuming you're in main mix mode.
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My point exactly. Speed on digital boards is sluggish at best. But considering the DL1608 does a lot more than my MixWiz did, it still has serious advantages over it. (400 controls on the mixwiz and about 1200 on the DL.) It's pretty easy to get used to compression and gates on every input and compression and 31 band EQ on every output. I'm using DriveRack PX for feedback control and that is faster than I could keep up with even on the mixwiz. Besides I don't like running things so close to feedback that that is an issue. As long as you don't have a feedback problem, speed isn't very critical. (My thoughts anyway.)
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Even though this conversation I generated is really interesting. :thu: I, obviously in this case used the wrong word. I meant fast or quick responses. And with Master Fader 2.X I could move the “virtual” faders quite quickly, almost as fast as a physical fader, in my mind.
Of course nothing beats a real fader, but MF 2.X was pretty darn close in my books. MF 3.X on older iPads was not, to me. The upgrade to the iPad Air 2 restored my perception that MF 3.X is just as fast as v2.X. Even flipping between screens speed has improved greatly with the iPad Air, in my perception. I apologize for leading everyone down the wrong path. Mea Culpa. :-[
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It's 2am here and I've just got home from a nice wedding reception gig.
99% of the time my new iPad air 2 has been lightning fast on everything I do in MF3, but there has been the odd occasion I've noticed a tiny bit of lag. Tonight it happened for a few seconds, but it's so rare it's absolutely no bother at all.
And a little bird told me My Fader 3 was submitted to the App Store today, so not long now till we get the convenience of basic mixing on a pocket device again. Yay! ;D
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Even though this conversation I generated is really interesting. :thu: I, obviously in this case used the wrong word. I meant fast or quick responses. And with Master Fader 2.X I could move the “virtual” faders quite quickly, almost as fast as a physical fader, in my mind.
Of course nothing beats a real fader, but MF 2.X was pretty darn close in my books. MF 3.X on older iPads was not, to me. The upgrade to the iPad Air 2 restored my perception that MF 3.X is just as fast as v2.X. Even flipping between screens speed has improved greatly with the iPad Air, in my perception. I apologize for leading everyone down the wrong path. Mea Culpa. :-[
IMO.
The day there is lost connectivity, nothing beats a real fader. Otherwise,
MF2.xx working on a lowly iPad1/iOS5.1 floats my boat just fine.
MF3 imposed an unnecessary dilemma and burden on a greater number of owners/end-users that could have been entirely avoided with distinct and separate App Store offerings for the DL806/1608 and the DL32R, as well as possibly any future product release.
A conservative 90% of my mixing is via iPad/Android and I have no complaints about speed limitations working predominantly with X-Mix on an iPad Mini. With the requisite and proper Wi-Fi implementation, the defining aspect is the UI. Scrolling sixteen channels on MF2.xx for a solid two hours I find doable & livable. Thirty-two channels worth of scrolling on a DL32R, QU32, SL32AI, Soundcraft VISi (absolute worst), or the as yet unreleased Soundcraft UI, would force me to sit down right quick before collapsing from a psuedo-vertigo effect.
Point being is I maintain that a UI incorporating channel bank tabs is more ideally suited for large channel count mixing than a scrolling channel UI. The user interface IS critical.
And as so many of us have trumpeted here, the simplistic and intuitive design of the MF user interface is the greatest strength and attribute of the DL lineage.
Shame to see it not have been exploited and capitalized on in the low channel count arena where there appears to be a great deal of interested buyers for such products at the desired sale price point.
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I know we're way off the My Fader topic, but MF and My Fader are somewhat connected.
MF in all its versions was and is very intuitive to operate IME. When I first opened the app way back, it had that familiar look and format that I was used to in analog boards. The basics were very easy to grasp. The only other app that I feel I could use right out of the gate is X32-Mix. It’s a little more daunting, but not too hard to use. X-Air App is confusing and not too intuitive, in my perception. MF just seems to be comfortable for myself and I think quite a few others who use it too.
Really spoiled for Master Fader. :facepalm:
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I spent a fair amount of time getting used to wandering around Master Fader 3.x. I needed to make sure I could get to where I needed to be and not get lost getting back. I'll give Mackie credit for making an App that nothing is far from where you need to be. If there had been multiple levels deep, things would take time to get to. As it is, MF 3.x is faster to get to many levels than MF 2.x was. You can go directly to nearly everything on the App. On MF 2.x you needed an extra step to get to compression/gates or effects. It's nice to get there more directly now.
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I feel like the odd one here, as I'm quite happy with my DL mixer and MF3. To be fair, I'm new to this world. I bought the DL32R in December, and and iPad Air 2 to go with it. The app is just as fast as an analog mixer, at least for me. The app is quite intuitive, and has nearly all the features I would use. So far, I'm thrilled with it.
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I quite agree about MF, especially the latest version. Nothing else in my books quite compares to it. :)
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I've been doing at least one theater show every year for the last 8 years. I did one last year on the DL1608. There are enough channels, but where the virtual faders don't keep up with the physical faders is, when I'm looking at the stage for a cue, I can't be looking at my fingers to make sure they are ready to touch the control I need and being human, that means my hand might have changed position. Yes, I can put my finger on the virtual fader and as long as I don't move sideways, that works, but with a mute button? (And those are a bit small too.) I've got a small one this Saturday with all those issues. Hopefully that will go fairly well, but I haven't seen a rehearsal and while the group is only doing part of the script, I don't know what part of the script. (Feel a bit unprepared for this one.) The full show that this is only a part of is later this month.
I like the DL and Master Fader 3. It's just better for musical groups than quick microphone changes. (Most of these variety show groups have more performers than mics and they performers move on and off stage in minutes.) As a mixer for the full set group? It's right where it needs to be. I wasn't expecting to do 3 variety shows this year. (First time for 3 different shows. Previously it was always only 1 show performed multiple times.) I should be flattered, because the second group last year had some common actors with the first group and the third group this year saw one of my shows and hired me for it. (No common actors.)
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I've been doing at least one theater show every year for the last 8 years. I did one last year on the DL1608. There are enough channels, but where the virtual faders don't keep up with the physical faders is, when I'm looking at the stage for a cue, I can't be looking at my fingers to make sure they are ready to touch the control I need and being human, that means my hand might have changed position. Yes, I can put my finger on the virtual fader and as long as I don't move sideways, that works, but with a mute button? (And those are a bit small too.) I've got a small one this Saturday with all those issues. Hopefully that will go fairly well, but I haven't seen a rehearsal and while the group is only doing part of the script, I don't know what part of the script. (Feel a bit unprepared for this one.) The full show that this is only a part of is later this month.
That’s where a touch reactive heads up display would be great! Just have it display within the range of your peripheral vision. You could see what’s happening on stage but keep track of the faders and controls within easy reach, in the air just above the mixing desk. Talk about virtual faders. Not in my lifetime. :(
Sorry thinking 22-23 century stuff again.
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There are enough channels, but where the virtual faders don't keep up with the physical faders is, when I'm looking at the stage for a cue, I can't be looking at my fingers to make sure they are ready to touch the control I need and being human, that means my hand might have changed position. Yes, I can put my finger on the virtual fader and as long as I don't move sideways, that works, but with a mute button? (And those are a bit small too.)
No prob - just hook up one of them little MIDI control surfaces :) .
Oops, never mind - I was confusing it with a Behringer ;) .
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I've been doing at least one theater show every year for the last 8 years. I did one last year on the DL1608. There are enough channels, but where the virtual faders don't keep up with the physical faders is, when I'm looking at the stage for a cue, I can't be looking at my fingers to make sure they are ready to touch the control I need and being human, that means my hand might have changed position. Yes, I can put my finger on the virtual fader and as long as I don't move sideways, that works, but with a mute button? (And those are a bit small too.) I've got a small one this Saturday with all those issues. Hopefully that will go fairly well, but I haven't seen a rehearsal and while the group is only doing part of the script, I don't know what part of the script. (Feel a bit unprepared for this one.) The full show that this is only a part of is later this month.
That’s where a touch reactive heads up display would be great! Just have it display within the range of your peripheral vision. You could see what’s happening on stage but keep track of the faders and controls within easy reach, in the air just above the mixing desk. Talk about virtual faders. Not in my lifetime. :(
Sorry thinking 22-23 century stuff again.
Try 20 century, fighter pilots have been using heads-up displays for a long time. ;) 22-23 century you think what position you want your faders in, err make that your robot thinks.
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I like the heads up display idea. I was just thinking about what level to dress at. Don't know if this is formal. Heads up display and a tux? Probably a bad idea.
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I like the heads up display idea. I was just thinking about what level to dress at. Don't know if this is formal. Heads up display and a tux? Probably a bad idea.
Just wear your dress blues. You'll have more credibility that way. :lol:
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Never had dress Blues while in the Army. And my Army weight was about 60 pounds ago. (And ended in 1977) My Brother was a career soldier who retired as a CSM. He had dress Blues. (One of the better looking formal uniforms in the Army.)
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Well, you're a step ahead of me. I was never in the military, and it's too late now.
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Having been in the Military doesn't make you better than anyone else. It is a different life and not for everyone. I basically survived it during peacetime in the USA. Fairly good duty but with a war preparation goal. I found out what worked when the news reported it in Desert Storm.
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Having been in the Military doesn't make you better than anyone else.
That's true, but I have a lot more respect for people who have served in the military. :police:
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Maybe they could build new mixers with AI. Set everything up at the venue, power up the board and it automatically runs everything with minimal input from the operator. But how far do you go? It could literally get to the point where anyone off the street could run a show without any experience at all. :'(
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Maybe they could build new mixers with AI. Set everything up at the venue, power up the board and it automatically runs everything with minimal input from the operator. But how far do you go? It could literally get to the point where anyone off the street could run a show without any experience at all. :'(
Already being done, and you thought you were indispensable. ;)
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Just found this after a quick google:
AES E-Library
Mixing and Artificial Intelligence
[Feature] Mixing engineers are not yet made redundant by new technology, but there are a number of common trends in the ways people mix. These can enable automatic systems to emulate the behavior of sound mixers, with the aim of bringing a mix somewhere close to what a human engineer might achieve. There is also a role for novel controllers and technology-assisted mixing tools to make the human engineer’s job more straightforward in the age of multiple channels and 3-D mixing
Very interesting
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Magic Leap and M$ Hololens are some of the technology hopefully just around the corner.
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Any actual update on progress with My Fader 3? Someone mentioned that it had been submitted to the App Store folks? Any truth to that? Or, is it still in a limited beta? Inquiring minds want to know. Not to mention, my wife, as she's waiting less and less patiently for me to be able to transfer my iPad Mini over to her.... :)
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Don't know if the public Beta test is still going on or if they are still taking testers. (I'm just a world of useless information.)
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27 February I was given a link to the beta, and was told My fader 3 had just been submitted to the App Store.
I don't know how long it takes from being submitted to being available for download though.
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27 February I was given a link to the beta, and was told My fader 3 had just been submitted to the App Store.
I don't know how long it takes from being submitted to being available for download though.
Thank you, Sir...
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98% of new and updated apps experience an average approval timeline of 5 days. The longest approval time reported was 8 days. If Mackie submitted MyFader 3.0 in late February it is experiencing the longest approval time since the App Store's inception.
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Correct and the world continues to wait. This might be what we get when complaining about a "public beta" being released instead of a "final" version. (All software has bugs so get over it.) Personally, Mackie made a serious effort with Master Fader 3. I fully expect the same will be applied to My Fader. (Still wish they would change the name so we can just refer to them by their initials. Personal Fader works for me.)
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(Still wish they would change the name so we can just refer to them by their initials. Personal Fader works for me.)
I think they should change both - "MF" has rather unfortunate meaning to many of us ;) , and "Master Fader" has a rather unfortunate single letter change sound-alike :facepalm: .
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(Still wish they would change the name so we can just refer to them by their initials. Personal Fader works for me.)
I think they should change both - "MF" has rather unfortunate meaning to many of us ;) , and "Master Fader" has a rather unfortunate single letter change sound-alike :facepalm: .
Perhaps we could all come up with some alternative and "appropriate" names for My and Master Fader and influence a change by Mackie?
IE: Master Control Fader and Mini Control Fader?
I tried. :-[
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Wow, how time flies - I just noticed the last release of Mini Control Fader ;) was Feb 22, 2014, over a year ago !
https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/mackie-my-fader/id599029732
Love the comment there:
"Stop whining, people ..
by nromo22
Mackie, your DL1608 rocks. Yes, I wish the MyFader app was already updated to v.3 like MasterFader .. but I also wish I had a billion dollars & a pet unicorn."
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My Fader 3.0 is now available.
http://youtu.be/uDs-4cfzAiM