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DL1608/DL806/DL32R/ProDX Mixers / Re: Question About Vocal Reverb
« Last post by DigtheDL on August 08, 2022, 06:25:30 AM »
Just to clarify I'm running 4.6.2, hope you at too.

Your description of the reverb faders is exactly right.  Just to summarize.  The reverb "Send" fader on the specific channel for our vocalist is set at -13.9db, it's on the left side of the page.  This is the fader that adjusts how much of that channel is going to the Reverb buss.  It's appropriate for many channels to be feeding the reverb buss.  Also on the channel Reverb page you will see a fader on the right hand side that shows the status of the Reverb return that allows how much that buss feeds the main mix.   On the main page with all the channels it's the first fader after the iPad fader and is labeled "Reverb", we have ours set at -33.4db.  Both the fader on the right hand side of the channel reverb and the reverb fader on the main page will move together as they are the same fader, just two different locations to adjust it.  But all of these fader settings are really dependent on so may things.  Adjust each it as you feel is appropriate for your mix and situation.

I think you have the EQ part right.  How you're cutting it will work good for vocals.  If you have some drums in the reverb buss you may want to add a little back in-between 100hz and 500hz.  You can do that using the different bands.

My delay comment just meant that on vocals we have both reverb and delay.  Experiment with different delay setting.  Lots of good tutorials on YouTube but they may not be DL1608 specific.

Hope this helps.
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DL1608/DL806/DL32R/ProDX Mixers / Re: Question About Vocal Reverb
« Last post by ChiroVette on August 07, 2022, 09:00:14 PM »
Hey, sorry, I have to bump this because I have a few questions I am a little unclear on for your settings suggestions.

Here's the setting we use for the lead vocalist in a rock band on our DL1608 in a small, kind of dead, room.

Setting:  Medium Room
Pre Delay:  96.4 ms
Decay:  1.57 sec
HF Damping:  12.22 kHz
LF Damping;   Off/20.0 Hz

Okay, cool, got all this. Simple edits in the app.


Channel Send: -13.9 dB
Reverb Master is low at -33.4 dB  It has vocal and some percussion in it

Here is where I am getting a little fuzzy!

First off, and this is really confusing me, when I am in the Reverb Channel trying to edit, I have two faders that both adjust together, meaning what I do to one, the other follows along. It seems like that fader is the main Reverb Channel volume. Is that what you mean by Reverb Master Channel above? Is that the one you are setting to -33.4 db?

Because, and this brings me to my second question, I now have access to a third fader, independent of the above two. It is called "Send", so is that the one you are setting to -13.9db?

Also, why don't I have access to that send in the main Reverb channel? Unless that is only adjusting the reverb to the ONE channel, say one of the vocal channels or one of the other instruments like a drum? Because I noticed that when I adjust the Reverb's own channel fader in "All" which corresponds to the small right fader in the reverb channel or the reverb effect in any channel it adjusts that fader in every single channel, including the Reverb channel. (Jeeze, I can't even describe this right, it's so confusing to me!).

BUT when I adjust the "send" to the top left (just right of where I chose "Medium Room", it seems to ONLY adjust that slider in the ONE channel, and not across the mixer. (How the hell do you guys figure all this out, by the way? I am lost. lol)


We also EQ the Reverb Master channel and take out a lot (not all) below 3K

Okay, I tried to at least follow the spirit of this one, but I am lost. I assume you meant taking out a couple of DBs from ALL the frequency at and below 3K? So I tried to do this by making the 4th band static at exactly 3K, so nothing above that is effected, and then taking out say 1 or 2 DBs under 3K across the board, say from 100Hz to 3K? But since only two of the bands (1 and 4) can be set for shelf or Bell, I can't see how to do this.

Edit: Okay, assuming I am near what you are suggesting here, I think I was just able to do this! I had the HPF overlapping with the first band, but when I separated Band 1 from the HPF, I was able to take out any variable number of DB's from 100 HZ to 3K by placing the 2nd, 3rd, 4th, bands all together right on 3K all at 0 DB. So now, simply by sliding up and down on Band 1, I can take out whatever I want globally from that huge frequency range. lol Why do I have the feeling that this isn't even close to what you are suggesting, though?
 
I don't think we've tailored any of the "Advanced" setting but I'm not sure.

Good, a little less complex works for me. :)

We also use a delay setting with the reverb.

I don't know what you mean by this? The only delay setting I see on the Reverb is the "Pre Delay" unless you are saying that you use the delay effect lightly in conjunction with the reverb effect?
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DL1608/DL806/DL32R/ProDX Mixers / Re: Master Fader 5 Vs 4
« Last post by pytchley on August 05, 2022, 08:17:12 AM »
Just to be clear you can revert back to V.4 firmware after trying out V.5. It's in the manual. I use V.4 since three of my my four ipads are incompatible with V.5. The big difference is supposed to be the reverb, I use an external, in my view, superior sounding app called AudioReverb on the docked ipad 3.
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DL1608/DL806/DL32R/ProDX Mixers / Re: Master Fader 5 Vs 4
« Last post by WK154 on August 03, 2022, 11:42:47 PM »
You're quite correct it should have been MF V4.xx for the WiFi to use both iPads.
Cheers
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DL1608/DL806/DL32R/ProDX Mixers / Re: Master Fader 5 Vs 4
« Last post by ToH2002 on August 01, 2022, 10:58:18 PM »
So the docked old unit running V4.x and the WiFi V5.x should both be able to control the DL1608.

Not quite - whenever you start MF 5.x and connect to the 1608 it will update the firmware, since it will only run with newer firmware. Then MF 4.x can't be used with that 1608 anymore.

The key of the thread you linked is that the MF 5.x and 4.x apps can co-exist nicely on one iPad (I have the same on one of my iPads).

But if you have a DL1608 that is still on a 4.x compatible firmware, you can only control it with the 4.x app on both iPads. Once the firmware is updated to 5.x compatibility, the 4.x app will not be able to control it anymore, so the OP's older "docked" iPad won't be able to control the box anymore.

If you want to keep using both iPads, that means running a 4.x compatible firmware on the mixer and ONLY the 4.x app on both iPads. Yes, you can have the 5.x app on the newer iPad (if you want to control other Mackie mixers with it), but make sure you don't connect that to the 1608 with the old firmware.

TL;DR: if you want to keep using both iPads, stick with 4.x. If you don't have any other Mackie mixers to control, don't install 5.x on the newer iPad because you'll risk an accidental firmware update that will make the older iPad unable to connect.
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DL1608/DL806/DL32R/ProDX Mixers / Re: Master Fader 5 Vs 4
« Last post by WK154 on July 27, 2022, 05:53:06 PM »
It doesn't matter anyways, when you download MF5 you will only get V5.2. According to Wynn both MF 4.x and MF 5.x can be run on the same iPad. He used to have a DL1608 but is currently using a DL16S which I believe this test was from. So the docked old unit running V4.x and the WiFi V4.x should both be able to control the DL1608. See http://cacophony.aspinock.com/index.php?topic=1653.msg18909#msg18909
Cheers

Corrected to MF V4.xx above
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DL1608/DL806/DL32R/ProDX Mixers / Re: Master Fader 5 Vs 4
« Last post by ToH2002 on July 27, 2022, 03:34:49 PM »
The current version is 5.2. Is there anything wrong with it that I'm not aware of?
Nope - should have written "at least 5.1"...
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DL1608/DL806/DL32R/ProDX Mixers / Re: Master Fader 5 Vs 4
« Last post by WK154 on July 27, 2022, 03:17:58 PM »
The current version is 5.2. Is there anything wrong with it that I'm not aware of?
Cheers
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DL1608/DL806/DL32R/ProDX Mixers / Re: Master Fader 5 Vs 4
« Last post by James91104 on July 27, 2022, 02:18:16 AM »
What do you stand to gain, albeit with possible additional investment of time and resources.
https://mackie.com/img/file_resources/Master%20Fader_V5_1_RG.pdf
Point to consider, if had there been no MF5.1 or the recent iPad, then no dilemma. If Not Broke, Do not Fix, presuming operational to date.

Personally, I would migrate to MF5.1, aware that I would want to acquire the Lightning dock kit, for an additional (used) iOS 11 minimum iPad for docking, the current minimum iOS required by MF5.1.
https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT209574
Its a relatively minor investment for continued and enhanced operational feature set, with additional choices in UI device control other than an iPad.
Cheers
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DL1608/DL806/DL32R/ProDX Mixers / Re: Master Fader 5 Vs 4
« Last post by ToH2002 on July 26, 2022, 05:42:45 PM »
So what, exactly am I losing if I stick with the last version of master fader?

For the "classic" DL1608, the key feature you're losing is the new effects engine. Also, 5.x versions have better copy/paste functions for whole channels (including sends), which can be very useful for re-organizing channels.

Another minor new feature: you can actually use the faders and mute/solo buttons in the overview screen.

That's prety much it.

For the DL1608, you'll need the 5.1 version - that's the version that introduced support for the older models. 5.0 only supported the new models (DL16S, DL32S)

Cheers,

Torsten
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