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Unofficial Mackie User Forums => DL1608/DL806/DL32R/ProDX Mixers => Topic started by: WK154 on October 21, 2013, 04:52:27 AM
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DCA's minimum 4 preferably 6. Better control for live shows without excessive motion to control the mix. Selected like LR and Aux/FX's on main screen.
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RTA or feedback detection and overlay. I'll keep it general as some people would like to see parametric EQ on the outputs.
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Make the DL compatible with Studio Six Digital Audio app. This would save a lot of effort on Mackie's part and give pro tools for setup. http://www.studiosixdigital.com/audiotools
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HPF's on all the outputs. Perhaps a corresponding LPF available on at least Aux6 and the right out so you can do either stereo or mono aux fed subs without an external crossover.
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TC or Lexicon reverbs. Though I just listened to a recording of last Fridays gig, direct to the docked iPad, and the reverb I used sounded very good indeed ::) I'll try to post a link later.
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A Master Mute button, visible on all pages. Mutes all outputs for emergency feedback control. One small button in a corner would do the trick.
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bit of a scary concept that, I can see the attraction but muting everything to defeat feedback is likely to appear somewhat unprofessional if you catch my drift... still as a last resort :-[
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Undo button for every action, just the solution to Unintentional changes, but you don't know what you just moved or changed.
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bit of a scary concept that, I can see the attraction but muting everything to defeat feedback is likely to appear somewhat unprofessional if you catch my drift... still as a last resort :-[
This was a request of a friend of mine. Blew a monitor horn driver at a gig. The feedback, and inability to quickly get to the monitor controls is what appeared unprofessional. I would prefer 2 mute buttons. 1 for Mains and 1 for all 6 monitor sends.
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This was a request of a friend of mine. Blew a monitor horn driver at a gig. The feedback, and inability to quickly get to the monitor controls is what appeared unprofessional. I would prefer 2 mute buttons. 1 for Mains and 1 for all 6 monitor sends.
At a minimum you should set up the "no clip" compressor preset on every output to help prevent blowing HF drivers.
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At a minimum you should set up the "no clip" compressor preset on every output to help prevent blowing HF drivers.
That may or may not work depending on available amp power vs. the rms rating of the driver(s). If you set a compressor as a clip limiter and get solid feedback, you might still risk of cooking drivers. Unless the amp is sized so that it doesn't exceed the rms rating of the driver running at full power without clipping, you can still blow the driver. Most folks size their amps so that they're 1.5x to 2x the rms rating of the drivers (so-called "program power rating"). Feedback is essentially pure sine wave. Full power sign wave without clipping means your hammering the driver with maximum heating power the amp has to offer. If your amp is larger than the rms rating of the speaker, a few seconds of solid feedback could let out the magic smoke. If you set your compressor so that it's attenuating the signal to a level below the rms rating of the speaker, sure, you can save the speaker. But you have to measure and calculate that stuff to set it up correctly.
Also, most compressors won't work as brick wall limiters to kill transients even at fastest attack like the kind you get hot-plugging an unmuted condenser mic (a common cause of blown HF drivers). They usually let the initial attack through unless they have a "look-ahead" side chain setup. You only find those type of limiters on high end digital speaker processors (like XTA) or high end amps with built-in processing. As far as rms level protection goes, that also requires properly calibrated limiting to keep drivers safe. Again, the high end processors and amps will have that type of limiting along with the look-ahead peak limiters.
Bottom line, you can't trust regular compressors to protect speakers unless you set them up to the point where you're also waisting headroom/output for the speakers. and you can't rely on them to protect speakers from high power transients.
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Perhaps on the quick access panel or at the very least on the effects page, a small section of user customisable effects pre-sets, maybe three, to allow quick changes to effects to be made between songs.
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I didn't read anything about a switchable pad on the iPad channel.
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I want independant control over which channels are pre and post whatever in an aux. In the monitors I'd want the vocals to be pre-dynamics and possibly post EQ, and most everything else post dynamics and EQ.
BTW a channel on the X32 products goes:
Gain, Delay, LPF, Gate, EQ, Compression, Fader
with possible aux send tap points of:
Pre-EQ, Post-EQ, Pre-Fader, and Post-Fader.
The DL1608 presently only does:
pre-DSP, pre-fader, and post-fader
and lacks the delay. I also don't know the actual order of the stuff in the LPF/Gate/EQ/Compression (AKA "DSP") block? Kinda unfortunate that the pre-DSP is pre-HPF and gate :( .
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* +1 on DCAs ... seems like it would be relatively easy to do in the digital world ...
* Output channel grouping/DCA, OR be able to switch one of the Auxes to be mono output ... I use Aux 6 for center speaker on some gigs, would be nice to sync the volume control and mute with LR.
* record to iPad from one of the stereo Auxes instead of just LR.
* Be able to find and play back your recordings!!!
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* be able to switch one of the Auxes to be mono output ... I use Aux 6 for center speaker on some gigs, would be nice to sync the volume control and mute with LR.
Or better yet be able to switch an aux or two to matrix outs :laugh: .
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Make the DL compatible with Studio Six Digital Audio app. This would save a lot of effort on Mackie's part and give pro tools for setup. http://www.studiosixdigital.com/audiotools
I support this idea. I believe that the iPad built-in microphone is muted when the iPad is docked so if that is true, this would only be possible undocked, however that said, if you could selectively choose which channel was the source for your RTA, it would be interesting to be able to ring out each monitor using that positions microphone as the RTA source.
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* be able to switch one of the Auxes to be mono output ... I use Aux 6 for center speaker on some gigs, would be nice to sync the volume control and mute with LR.
Or better yet be able to switch an aux or two to matrix outs :laugh: .
RR, are you suggesting being able to change an AUX to MIRROR the Main LR? That could be a really cool feature!
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I didn't read anything about a switchable pad on the iPad channel.
Me either, iPad Channel is still WAY too hot for my taste. I am not even using it so its a wasted feature. Now, with the VIEW GROUPS, I can hide it so its not in the way at all (until its made more user friendly).
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A Master Mute button, visible on all pages. Mutes all outputs for emergency feedback control. One small button in a corner would do the trick.
KILL SWITCH!
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* be able to switch one of the Auxes to be mono output ... I use Aux 6 for center speaker on some gigs, would be nice to sync the volume control and mute with LR.
Or better yet be able to switch an aux or two to matrix outs :laugh: .
RR, are you suggesting being able to change an AUX to MIRROR the Main LR? That could be a really cool feature!
A Matrix is a little more sophisticated than that - usually each matrix is a "matrix" of knobs on an analog board - one for each group - that you can tweak an independant mix on for a center fill, delay stacks, recording or broadcast, or whatever you want. Obviously it needs groups first (which we don't have yet). It differs from an aux in that you don't have an individual level control for each channel but it is much faster to tweak.
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I'd like to be able to split the LR stereo channel so I can have a separate mix and EQ on each to use it as another aux, sub feed, matrix out, whatever. I'd like the record to be a separate layer like a stereo aux - there's no reason the record has to be tied to the LR outs or an aux AFAIK.
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Better reverbs would now be top of my list with the option to have the auxs fed post eq but pre dynamics. Has anybody seen a block diagram of the signal routing? The default on most smaller desks if for the insert to be straight after the HPF and before the eq but I'd like to be able to do my corrective/creative eq on the channel then send that to both FOH and mains, with compression on the mains but not on the monitors. Does this make sense to anybody else?
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[...] the option to have the auxs fed post eq but pre dynamics.
Been there, done that ;) :
http://cacophony.aspinock.com/index.php?topic=505.msg3896#msg3896
The X32's post-EQ is pre-comp. But it is also post-gate, very desirable IMO.
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[...] the option to have the auxs fed post eq but pre dynamics.
Been there, done that ;) :
http://cacophony.aspinock.com/index.php?topic=505.msg3896#msg3896
The X32's post-EQ is pre-comp. But it is also post-gate, very desirable IMO.
Missed that somehow... :(
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BTW, if you voted on the Mackie enhancement request list page:
http://mackie.uservoice.com/forums/97035-dl1608
you may now have some votes freed up from the implemented features. Go back and vote for your next set of features !!
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BTW, if you voted on the Mackie enhancement request list page:
http://mackie.uservoice.com/forums/97035-dl1608
you may now have some votes freed up from the implemented features. Go back and vote for your next set of features !!
Yea and that's now a mess. The top two choices are definitely by far ahead of all other requests. Mackie declared multiple channel grouping as done??? Really!! That's groups/DCA functionality. I won't mention the other. Making the iPad record and playback from MF/MyF is a no-brainer for being next on the list IMHO.
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I just checked, and there are two recently added Enhreqs for channel grouping.
The one called "Be able to group channels" has the most votes, so I am rescinding some of my other votes and putting max votes on channel grouping and DCAs.
http://mackie.uservoice.com/forums/97035-dl-series/suggestions/4971780-be-able-to-group-channels
http://mackie.uservoice.com/forums/97035-dl-series/suggestions/3010456-dca-groups
Let's get these both onto the first page please!
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I'd like to be able to split the LR stereo channel so I can have a separate mix and EQ on each to use it as another aux, sub feed, matrix out, whatever.
And this should happen automagically as part of a "template" preference which is pre-configured for "all-mono" system configuration
A significant percentage of professionals who use the DL1608 will be using it in mono mode, for reasons which have been discussed ad infinitum on the old Mackie forum.
A template which switches all routing to mono would also provide more efficient use of the available DSP.
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How about USB midi control using HUI or some other protocol, I could then use a Berry BCF2000 fader pack ;D
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I'd like to be able to split the LR stereo channel so I can have a separate mix and EQ on each to use it as another aux, sub feed, matrix out, whatever.
And this should happen automagically as part of a "template" preference which is pre-configured for "all-mono" system configuration
A significant percentage of professionals who use the DL1608 will be using it in mono mode, for reasons which have been discussed ad infinitum on the old Mackie forum.
A template which switches all routing to mono would also provide more efficient use of the available DSP.
It would be pretty cool to have a "Mains Mode" selector where we could choose between configurations like LR, LCR, LRM (LR + mono/sub), Dual mono, and Triple mono ... aux 1 or 6 being used for the third output channel. I personally could have seen use for all of these except LCR.