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Title: DL 32R using hard drive for backing music
Post by: slystewart on March 20, 2015, 08:05:55 PM
Looking to get the DL32R in the next month  just need some info on saving music to the hard drive to be played in-between band sets, I understand  the drive needs to be formatted as a Fat 32  and saving MP3 music do you  save  the music in files such as 60s 70s   80s music or just save the music on the hard drive and sort out what tracks you need  by the menu on the I pad hope this is understood  thanks
Title: Re: DL 32R using hard drive for backing music
Post by: Michael Welter on March 20, 2015, 11:02:21 PM
Wait until you get the DL32R, then have the DL32R format the drive for you. Then you can load music into it.

All music must be 48Khz WAV files. No other formats are supported. If you have other formats on your computer, you can use iTunes to convert them to the correct format. Then plug the hard drive into your computer, and copy the files into the Music folder. Once you've done that, plug it back into the DL32R, and you'll see the music files through the MF app.
Title: Re: DL 32R using hard drive for backing music
Post by: Wynnd on March 20, 2015, 11:03:06 PM
Sounds like you might be able to throw the music on a properly formatted Jump Drive too.  Didn't know about the other.
Title: Re: DL 32R using hard drive for backing music
Post by: Kev tyler on March 21, 2015, 09:56:05 AM
That Sounds a bit long winded to me,

Why do these devices deal so poorly with the popular mediums?

Now I am not one to complain as you know, but so many people from comedians singers the bloke who's getting married etc  turn up at short notice with a special song on a stick and expect you to play it, you would think by now a product so clever would have a USB port to accommodate this?

Kev
Title: Re: DL 32R using hard drive for backing music
Post by: Wynnd on March 21, 2015, 11:59:34 AM
I have a couple of battery powered CD players in my adapter box and a mini phone plug to dual xlr for direct from a phone.  If I were expecting a jump drive, I'd be bringing my MacBook and using airplay.
Title: Re: DL 32R using hard drive for backing music
Post by: Kev tyler on March 21, 2015, 02:34:08 PM
I have a couple of battery powered CD players in my adapter box and a mini phone plug to dual xlr for direct from a phone.  If I were expecting a jump drive, I'd be bringing my MacBook and using airplay.

Yes but is it too much to expect that a  2000 dollar or whatever it costs digital mixer could handle something as simple as an MP3 on a stick? I would have thought by now, that you would pop a stick in  the front of a desk and the contents of it would be displayed on your pad.

If I do a gig where a special song has to be played, I get it in advance and it's loaded to my net book and iPad, however my netbook has no cd and so I would struggle if they rolled up with a cd and a change of heart.

 :)
Title: Re: DL 32R using hard drive for backing music
Post by: Wynnd on March 21, 2015, 02:52:16 PM
Battery powered CD players are cheap and don't take up much space.  I'm always carrying AA batteries anyway, so if I need to fire one up, I just load up the batteries and connect.  You obviously have the DL32r.  When you're shaving things to keep the price of an item low, sometimes you need to pick and choose what to keep and what to toss.  A useable USB port would be good.
Title: Re: DL 32R using hard drive for backing music
Post by: Topsøe on March 22, 2015, 01:03:50 AM
You can connect an iPhone With lightning connector to the USB port using a "camera adaptor" , it comes up as USB 1+2 (and you can record what you send to USB 1+2)
Title: Re: DL 32R using hard drive for backing music
Post by: Kev tyler on March 22, 2015, 11:58:44 AM
Hi wynnd

I know there is a solution for every problem, but from solo act to tribute act to live band, we all need walk in music, or playback or interval and I think it's odd that this is not viewed as an essential requirement on modern desks,

When you look at modern keyboards, those factory Muzak demos they contain must really help to sell them in the shop,?

I would have thought by now that a digital mixer would have something along the same lines built in, a rig test demo track  even, so it's checks  left right  main monitors etc, so while you are setting up before you even conect a mic or laptop you can have a little utility that throws a bit of noise in to your wedges and mains etc and let's you know instantly if the left mid section is wired to the right stack etc,


Cheers

Kev
Title: Re: DL 32R using hard drive for backing music
Post by: Wynnd on March 22, 2015, 02:23:24 PM
I appreciate where you're coming from.  I've watched Apple drop the floppy disk drive then drop Firewire from their new MacBooks.  And there's precious little in the way of input devices on the MacBook Air.  (USB only I think) So when building a new device, what old technology that might be useless in a year do you want to incorporate?  Hey, we never expected Vinyl records to be replaced, then we didn't expect CDs to be replaced. And aren't we all installing software that has never been on a DVD?  Much is coming right off the internet.  So while I understand where you're coming from, I can also see the place the manufacturers are coming from too and there are lots of potential pitfalls.  And considering all the whining that we see on this forum, a less than perfect USB port for jump drives would quickly become one more complaint.  I don't believe in perfection, so I'm not disappointed.
Title: Re: DL 32R using hard drive for backing music
Post by: Kev tyler on March 23, 2015, 08:51:41 AM
Yes mate I am 99% in agreement with you, however I don't see the usb memory stick going anywhere soon, unless you are suggesting we are goung to lose the USB ports on our gear too?

I would have thought firmware update by usb and audio input by usb would still be the safest option on all our gear for quite a while to come, I hate the idea of the router going down in the middle of an update, even my Sony telly tells me not to interupt the router etc.

It worries me to be honest.

Cheers

Kev
Title: Re: DL 32R using hard drive for backing music
Post by: Wynnd on March 23, 2015, 01:30:43 PM
With everything going WiFi, I sure wouldn't bet on USB ports being on any laptop in 10 years.  And I don't use the optical drive on my MacBook very often anymore.  (Except for downloading music for my senior's shows.   Glad I got them to stop bringing me cassettes.)   I would be watching Apple for dropping USB ports first.  They have been quickest to run away from technology that's dying.   (I watched them run from 5.25" floppies and then drop the 3.5" floppies.  They've hung onto Firewire a bit longer, but theirs actually works as intended.  They were slow to adopt the USB 3 standard, but I suspect that had more to do with competing with Firewire and Thunderbolt.  Both technologies they developed.) 
Title: Re: DL 32R using hard drive for backing music
Post by: Keyboard Magic on March 23, 2015, 02:33:13 PM
When I was looking for my new laptop, I was hard pressed to find one that even had an optical drive.  :eek:  I guess you just have to use an external CD/DVD USB drive in that case. At least they're not obnoxiously expensive to purchase these days. But if and when the CD/DVD is phased out, what then? Cheap portable large capacity SSD Drives? Actually SSD's make more sense, I think. Now if Apple would let you connect a portable storage device without an adapter to your iPod/iPad, that would be nice.  ;)
Title: Re: DL 32R using hard drive for backing music
Post by: Wynnd on March 23, 2015, 02:36:56 PM
Seeing that I use my ipad more often then my MacBook when out of the house, the external connection would be good.  On the other hand, I like the small case I put the ipad mini in.  It's my go to for motorcycle trips now.  It takes up about 1/8th the space of my laptop case.
Title: Re: DL 32R using hard drive for backing music
Post by: gerenm63 on March 24, 2015, 01:00:51 AM
Seeing that I use my ipad more often then my MacBook when out of the house, the external connection would be good.  On the other hand, I like the small case I put the ipad mini in.  It's my go to for motorcycle trips now.  It takes up about 1/8th the space of my laptop case.

I haven't carried a laptop in months. When my big Acer died, I replaced it with an iPad Mini. I've since moved up to an Air 2, but I don't miss the laptop at all.
Title: Re: DL 32R using hard drive for backing music
Post by: Wynnd on March 24, 2015, 03:59:18 AM
There are a few things I use my MacBook for that I can't do on an ipad.  Cubase Artist 6 is on the Macbook as well as the firewire input for interfacing with the Alesis Multi-mix 16 firewire that I use as an input device.  I'm still getting about 7 hours of typical use on the battery on a 2010 MacBook that will be 5 years old in June.  (And I had even upgraded the hard drive to a Momentus XT 750 GB Hybrid drive.  It's a little thirstier than the original and a lot faster.  Higher speed drive and that SSD portion is slick.  All the control of the SSD portion is internal to the drive, so no special software required.  Should work fine in any laptop.)
Title: Re: DL 32R using hard drive for backing music
Post by: Kev tyler on March 24, 2015, 12:25:20 PM
Hi guys

I am going to wager that ye olde usb format is pretty safe for a while, all my important personal stuff lives on hard drives, I wouldn't trust it to the cloud, ok maybe in the future I will browse this hard disk by plugging it's usb output in to a wireless router and streaming the data to a device devoid of a usb socket, but it sounds like overkill to me, and I hope usb via an adaptor to the new kid in town socket sticks around for a while yet,


.


Cheers

Kev
Title: Re: DL 32R using hard drive for backing music
Post by: prosoundrentals on April 14, 2015, 01:06:17 PM
Wait until you get the DL32R, then have the DL32R format the drive for you. Then you can load music into it.

All music must be 48Khz WAV files. No other formats are supported. If you have other formats on your computer, you can use iTunes to convert them to the correct format. Then plug the hard drive into your computer, and copy the files into the Music folder. Once you've done that, plug it back into the DL32R, and you'll see the music files through the MF app.


hello , I have tried this 4 times already .hard drive formatted, music converted to wav at 48hz.
I am able to record, and playback via the player, but no music appears on my "left side" for playback . any suggestions would be great ......other then that , I just switched from 16- to the 32r and im liking it !
Title: Re: DL 32R using hard drive for backing music
Post by: Topsøe on April 14, 2015, 06:42:05 PM
I think i saw it has to be in the music folder ?
Title: Re: DL 32R using hard drive for backing music
Post by: Michael Welter on April 14, 2015, 08:13:40 PM
I think i saw it has to be in the music folder ?
Correct. Make sure that your music files are in a folder called Music. If they are not, they won't show up.
Title: Re: DL 32R using hard drive for backing music
Post by: wkndwarrior on April 15, 2015, 08:46:07 AM
The one disappointment for me regarding the DL32R music playback system is that it will not let me load in my music files (or playlists) in the song order that I want. It seems to group the songs randomly, and then put them in numerical order. On my iPod, I have many different playlists of break music set up by genre, for different types of events. I have R&B, 80's, Blues, etc. that I play on breaks according the event, type of band, age of crowd, and so on. But with the DL32R, I can't find a way to do that. It seems to have a mind of its own. Not sure why Mackie set it up this way. It makes no sense to me.

If anyone knows of a workaround or way to do what I am describing, please let me know. Thanks!
Title: Re: DL 32R using hard drive for backing music
Post by: slystewart on April 15, 2015, 09:44:47 AM
I don't have a DL 32 R yet just using the 1608 we do play what I called intro tracks on various songs and on the DL 1608  this can be a bit awkward skipping from Mackie master fader to the playlist also the point that the iPad has to be docked all the time to play back music I was hoping that on the DL 32r had a more simple way to put tracks down and put them in order or groups that you wanted them to be in I have looked on various sites to find demos of people using this on the 32r this seems to be a bit of a grey area and not explained very well
Title: Re: DL 32R using hard drive for backing music
Post by: Michael Welter on April 15, 2015, 11:53:41 AM
I have the same frustration. So I purchased an extended range BlueTooth receiver, and I connect my iPad to that. Now I can play whatever music I want, in whatever order I want.
Title: Re: DL 32R using hard drive for backing music
Post by: Kev tyler on April 15, 2015, 01:19:22 PM
I don't understand why playback is so overlooked when you consider how many devices these days accept a usb stick,

I thought by now, that the Dl and the x air and all the rest would transmit playlist and song info from a stick inserted in to the usb slots on these devices straight to a page within the control app,  and I also thought that they would not fall over if it was not a wav or whatever.

Switching between control app and playback app is the main reason I have not jumped in to this market yet.

So I feel for you

Kev
Title: Re: DL 32R using hard drive for backing music
Post by: RoadRanger on April 15, 2015, 04:45:50 PM
There's some weird issues with licencing MP3, M4A, WMA, and such - probably too expensive for Mackie et al to absorb just to have break music playback capability :( . I think OGG is free but who wants to hassle with that?
Title: Re: DL 32R using hard drive for backing music
Post by: Kev tyler on April 15, 2015, 05:09:58 PM
I don't know but I think if you can buy a CD player or DVD player from a grocer shop that plays pictures and videos and x vid and MP3.without a hitch and they have managed to get on with the legalities of it all, why can't mackie and Behringer do the sAme?

Kev😄
Title: Re: DL 32R using hard drive for backing music
Post by: gerenm63 on April 15, 2015, 05:17:18 PM
There's some weird issues with licencing MP3, M4A, WMA, and such - probably too expensive for Mackie et al to absorb just to have break music playback capability :( . I think OGG is free but who wants to hassle with that?

If they use a decoding chip or DSP from a licensed company, then there is no additional licensing fee required. From the official licensing resource page (http://www.mp3licensing.com) FAQ:

We decided to license the manufacturers of mp3 encoder/decoder ICs/DSPs and not the manufacturers of finished hardware products as far as possible. Users of a licensed mp3 encoder/decoder ICs/DSPs do not have to conclude a separate license agreement with us for the use of such ICs/DSPs since the respective patent royalties will be paid by the licensed IC/DSP manufacturer.

A license is needed, in case you need to develop your own mp3 decoder/encoder software for the DSPs/ICs you are using in your hardware products.

Title: Re: DL 32R using hard drive for backing music
Post by: RoadRanger on April 15, 2015, 08:14:15 PM
RTFS :
http://cacophony.aspinock.com/index.php?topic=232.0
:)
Title: Re: DL 32R using hard drive for backing music
Post by: Keyboard Magic on April 15, 2015, 08:19:40 PM
Why oh why do they put the means to record and playback on these products, but make it so hard to do anything you need or want to do without workarounds? It doesn’t make too much sense.

The hardware is there, but it’s like this was an afterthought just like the DL1608 record feature. Surely it’s not too difficult to implement? Or do they really not care that much? Is it budget to put an unpolished feature in and not follow through? Like I said if the technology is there.

I don't use the DL to record that much and use AirPlay for walk-in music and backing tracks, but it would be nice to see a more accommodating feature implemented for all the DL32 owners who are frustrated with this issue.

Maybe the more technically knowledgeable here may have an explanation?
Title: Re: DL 32R using hard drive for backing music
Post by: RoadRanger on April 15, 2015, 08:23:04 PM
Maybe the more technically knowledgeable here may have an explanation?
In the industry we call it "limited engineering resources" ;) :( .
Title: Re: DL 32R using hard drive for backing music
Post by: WK154 on April 15, 2015, 08:33:33 PM
I don't have a DL 32 R yet just using the 1608 we do play what I called intro tracks on various songs and on the DL 1608  this can be a bit awkward skipping from Mackie master fader to the playlist also the point that the iPad has to be docked all the time to play back music I was hoping that on the DL 32r had a more simple way to put tracks down and put them in order or groups that you wanted them to be in I have looked on various sites to find demos of people using this on the 32r this seems to be a bit of a grey area and not explained very well

Unfortunately, it is not a grey area. It can't be done on the DL32R, from my own experience and also from talking with Mackie support. They told me I was the only one to complain about that. Hard to believe, but it is a new product, and I'm thinking maybe not a lot of users have purchased the USB portable hard drive and tried to do that yet. The Mackie support guy said to email them with my suggestion/complaint, so I did that.

Maybe if everyone else who is frustrated by this DL32R playback limitation emails Mackie also, they might get the message and fix this in future firmware revisions.  Tell them you want to be able to playback your playlists in the order you want.  Here is the support email:   techmail@mackie.com
First let me say that anything that Mackie support doesn't have a canned answer to they will tell you that it can't be done with the current equipment. This issue dates back a few years with the DL1608 and Mackie's excuse that multichannel recording can't be done. Well others have done just that. The fact that they think that AAC or MP3 is not a format that users would want is a joke. Been around that with BenO. You're absolutely right it's not a grey area, it's been done just not by Mackie.
Title: Re: DL 32R using hard drive for backing music
Post by: WK154 on April 15, 2015, 08:51:54 PM
Maybe the more technically knowledgeable here may have an explanation?
In the industry we call it "limited engineering resources" ;) :( .
Yeah that's why it only took the Audio industry 30 years to take advantage of a freebee by the Navy sonar research to develop Constant Beam-width Transducer technology (CBT by Don Keele and now JBL). Not familiar with it? Here is some info.  http://www.linkwitzlab.com/Keele%20-%20Introduction%20to%20CBT%20Loudspeaker%20Arrays.pdf

Title: Re: DL 32R using hard drive for backing music
Post by: wkndwarrior on April 16, 2015, 02:49:19 AM
I have the same frustration. So I purchased an extended range BlueTooth receiver, and I connect my iPad to that. Now I can play whatever music I want, in whatever order I want.

This sounds like a nice workaround. Could you recommend a good long-range receiver? Do you find using Bluetooth drains your iPad battery faster, or do you only turn it on for breaks?  Be interested how you hook into your DL32R. Is it just a 1/8 to stereo 1/4" plugs or ?  Thanks!
Title: Re: DL 32R using hard drive for backing music
Post by: Michael Welter on April 16, 2015, 02:34:57 PM
I got the Amped Wireless BTSA1 Long Range Bluetooth Speaker Adapter (http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1020658-REG/amped_wireless_btsa1_long_range_bluetooth.html). It has 2 RCA output jacks, which I connect to 2 1/4 inch inputs on the DL32R. I then link those two channels. So far, I've been quite impressed with the range. I've connected my iPad, laptop, and phone to it, and the range has been quite impressive. I haven't noticed any significant battery issues with the iPad.
Title: Re: DL 32R using hard drive for backing music
Post by: prosoundrentals on April 16, 2015, 04:02:00 PM
I think i saw it has to be in the music folder ?
Correct. Make sure that your music files are in a folder called Music. If they are not, they won't show up.

yes I called Mackie the same day . my problem was I created sub folders and put that into the music folder,  the mixer does not recognize any sub folders inside the music folder, a bad feature, that needs to be fixed! thanx!
Title: Re: DL 32R using hard drive for backing music
Post by: dpdan on April 16, 2015, 04:35:09 PM
I don't understand why anyone would want to play music from within Master Fader.
There are so may apps for organizing tracks, songs, playlists etc. Changing the order on the fly is a breeze with so many.

I use an app callled "next song" on the iPhone, iPod and iPad and it's wonderful. You can start and stop tracks with a bluetooth pedal if you like,
there are options to have the next song cued up and paused,... ready for playing. Super easy to use and very reliable.

SoundCue is also incredible! But only for iPad.

 
 
Title: Re: DL 32R using hard drive for backing music
Post by: slystewart on April 16, 2015, 04:40:35 PM
Thanks to all that I've posted on here and the information that's been passed about I was in the market for DL 32  to replace 1608 the reason being to have this Dl32r  off stage and to be able to run everything from the iPad. Being the bass player in the band is no time to mess about with looking for intro tracks to songs and it's bad enough on the DL 1608  I wanted something that would work seamless And be easier was a reliable and  and be easier To use  at the moment this issue with the DL 32 might put me off for awhile until something better comes along as regards a firmware update thanks to all  Stewart
Title: Re: DL 32R using hard drive for backing music
Post by: dpdan on April 16, 2015, 04:44:13 PM
Stewart, as long as you are using an i-device for mixing, it is always going to be a hassel to manipulate tracks on the same device. Having a second i-device just for the music is the best.
I absolutely love the DL32R.
Title: Re: DL 32R using hard drive for backing music
Post by: prosoundrentals on April 16, 2015, 05:27:52 PM
I don't understand why anyone would want to play music from within Master Fader.
There are so may apps for organizing tracks, songs, playlists etc. Changing the order on the fly is a breeze with so many.

I use an app callled "next song" on the iPhone, iPod and iPad and it's wonderful. You can start and stop tracks with a bluetooth pedal if you like,
there are options to have the next song cued up and paused,... ready for playing. Super easy to use and very reliable.

SoundCue is also incredible! But only for iPad.

I use MF and my hard drive, mainly for the amount of music I can store on it , (wav files are large)and the ability to quickly play backround music unexpectablly from sound booth or read of venue .  im new to this Bluetooth , so how do I get the music on my iTunes/ipad to play remotely via Bluetooth pedal to mixer ?  thanx 
Title: Re: DL 32R using hard drive for backing music
Post by: Michael Welter on April 16, 2015, 05:55:36 PM
im new to this Bluetooth , so how do I get the music on my iTunes/ipad to play remotely via Bluetooth pedal to mixer ?  thanx
You can sync it with iTunes on your computer, by connecting to a USB port. Or you can download your purchased music from the iTunes cloud in the Music app on your iPad.
Title: Re: DL 32R using hard drive for backing music
Post by: dpdan on April 16, 2015, 06:17:50 PM
Quote
I use MF and my hard drive, mainly for the amount of music I can store on it , (wav files are large)and the ability to quickly play backround music unexpectablly from sound booth or read of venue .  im new to this Bluetooth , so how do I get the music on my iTunes/ipad to play remotely via Bluetooth pedal to mixer ?  thanx

My suggestion is to first put all of your walkin, walkout, break music in your itunes library. Highlight all the tracks and convert them to MP3 files.
As you probably know this will radically decrease the size of the files, that's a good thing :).

While you are in iTunes, click on preferences, then under the general tab, you will find an "Import Settings" window, you can click on this window to set the bit rate for your MP3 files.
I use 192 kbps. While this is not exactly wave file quality, it is still very decent sounding.

Once all of your music is imported into iTunes, you can create playslists containing any of the songs in the music folder of iTunes.
All the songs will reside in the music folder of iTunes, and songs that are listed in playlists are not duplicates but instead, just a reference to the song that is in the music folder, so,
you can delete songs in a playlist, and you can delete an entire playlist and the songs will still remain in the music folder. Deleteing a song from the music folder will indeed remove it from your iTunes Library.

I do not use Bluetooth streaming because as far as I am concerned it uses considerably more battery power than Wi-Fi.
I use an Apple Airport Express Wi-Fi router, (not an Airport Extreme) and this little router is so cool, it has a 3.5mm stereo connector that can be connected to two (for stereo) of your inputs on the DL mixer.

Open iTunes on your iPad, iPod or iPhone, and swipe up to reveal the "Airplay" setting. Choose the Airport Express router, now any music you play on that device will stream in stereo to your DL mixer.

It's wonderful.
Another thing I do is I make a playlist that plays for about two hours and I just let it play constantly with "repeat" turned on. As soon as I hear the lead singer say "OK folks, we'll be right back"
instantly I scroll to the input channels that the Airplay is plugged into and turn up the fader, then I hit my mute button that is labeled "BREAK" I have all inputs except the lead singer's mic and the music channels assigned to that MUTE MASTER.
       
Title: Re: DL 32R using hard drive for backing music
Post by: wkndwarrior on April 16, 2015, 06:35:46 PM
I got the Amped Wireless BTSA1 Long Range Bluetooth Speaker Adapter (http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1020658-REG/amped_wireless_btsa1_long_range_bluetooth.html). It has 2 RCA output jacks, which I connect to 2 1/4 inch inputs on the DL32R. I then link those two channels. So far, I've been quite impressed with the range. I've connected my iPad, laptop, and phone to it, and the range has been quite impressive. I haven't noticed any significant battery issues with the iPad.

Thanks much for the info. I like everything about the DL32R except the severe limitations on how music can be played back from the portable hard drive. You found a nice workaround solution (thanks for sharing!) but I can't think of a reason why a mixer this good should not have the ability to load and play music playlists in the order you want. I'm hoping they fix this soon with a future firmware revision.
Title: Re: DL 32R using hard drive for backing music
Post by: Kev tyler on April 17, 2015, 08:45:13 AM
I don't understand why anyone would want to play music from within Master Fader.
There are so may apps for organizing tracks, songs, playlists etc. Changing the order on the fly is a breeze with so many.

I use an app callled "next song" on the iPhone, iPod and iPad and it's wonderful. You can start and stop tracks with a bluetooth pedal if you like,
there are options to have the next song cued up and paused,... ready for playing. Super easy to use and very reliable.

SoundCue is also incredible! But only for iPad.

Hi dan it just goes to show how we all have different expectations of our gear, I would love to have access to music from within master fader( if I owned a Dl) if I wanted to play music or stream music from my pad and control the mix with the same pad, then I would have to keep switching between apps, I hate the idea of that, so I could be center stage with two pads one for music one for control, and maybe have a long audio lead, long charge cables etc, or risk streamer dropout, another reason I want more accessibility is a simple one, I need access to the master fader, and a single channel fader,  and the playback fader, so all that unused real estate, well I am sorry but I want to see the playlist that is on the stick plugged in to the front of my desk, and still don't see why it's such a big deal, I think a lot of times now, people expect to approach you at a gig and give you music on a stick, having to put their stick in your lap top, I hate that idea too, and then port their tune to iTunes and then re load your pad, well what can i say? Pain in the bum or what.

Cheers

Kev
Title: Re: DL 32R using hard drive for backing music
Post by: dpdan on April 17, 2015, 02:29:27 PM
Hi Kev,
your points are all very valid,
and I do agree, Mackie needs to make thier mixer read music off of a USB stick... whether it's wave of MP3 files.

I will add one thing... after literally hundreds of events with the Mackie, I have NEVER had music quit playing via Airplay, not even once.
 
Title: Re: DL 32R using hard drive for backing music
Post by: Michael Welter on April 17, 2015, 02:50:12 PM
I think a lot of times now, people expect to approach you at a gig and give you music on a stick, having to put their stick in your lap top, I hate that idea too, and then port their tune to iTunes and then re load your pad, well what can i say? Pain in the bum or what.
That's one of the reasons I went with the extended range Bluetooth receiver. If someone hands me a stick or CD with a song to play, I just pop it in my laptop and play it from there. My laptop is connected to the Bluetooth receiver, so I don't have to worry about transferring the song to iTunes, then onto my iPad.
Title: Re: DL 32R using hard drive for backing music
Post by: Kev tyler on April 18, 2015, 09:36:04 AM
Here's something that will give you guys a giggle, my mate is a DJ, and he is a real Apple snob, I don't know how many times I have had all the "rock solid " this that and the other, spiel from him, so one night we are doing a gig together, me cabaret and him the karaoke disco, some bloke rolls up with a stick with some obscure MP3 +g file on it , and the pub is full, he announces the guy and inserts the stick and the Mac crashes, so he boots it up again and to my amazement he says, " it's a Mac, it will be fine " and reinserts the stick and bang off goes all the sound and the Mac again,

I am always very weary of people and their usb sticks,  And wonder could this be an issue when we get To the point of plugging them in to our desks?

I worked with this guy again at gigs with big name band and  bloke off the telly, the supporting acts all rolled up with m3u playlists on sticks which seemed to really confuse the iTunes of that time, poor DJ had to figure out what the songs where and then relabel them all?

Cheers

Kev



Title: Re: DL 32R using hard drive for backing music
Post by: Wynnd on April 18, 2015, 01:42:07 PM
Could that be DRM interfering?  Itunes does take DRM too seriously.  For example, you can't download music from someone else's ipod onto your computer.  You probably can't play it through the USB port either. 
Title: Re: DL 32R using hard drive for backing music
Post by: sam.spoons on April 18, 2015, 02:28:56 PM
It's pretty easy to get music from your iTunes onto another device such as a USB drive,  (right click and 'show in finder' then simply drag and drop) and I believe iTunes 12 will also convert it to .wav for you (will check tonight, only have iTunes 11 on the laptop). All iTunes purchases are now (since 2009?) in iTunes Plus lossless format and free of DRM.
Title: Re: DL 32R using hard drive for backing music
Post by: robbocurry on April 18, 2015, 07:42:26 PM
iTunes has had wav conversion available for years Sam, I've been using it since iPod v2. :)
The thing that gets me is performers turning up with a cd or usb drive without:
1: checking in advance you have a device that will play their media.
2: not bringing their own device that will play their media.
3: blaming you for their lack of preparation, usually not to your face.
4: not bothering to buy their own equipment, not even a mic.
Rant over >:D
Title: Re: DL 32R using hard drive for backing music
Post by: dpdan on April 18, 2015, 07:44:20 PM
don't you love the people who say "here's my CD"

and it looks like it spent the day on the highway.
Title: Re: DL 32R using hard drive for backing music
Post by: Keyboard Magic on April 18, 2015, 09:00:37 PM
don't you love the people who say "here's my CD"

and it looks like it spent the day on the highway.

Road Rash Audio CDs.  :facepalm:
Title: Re: DL 32R using hard drive for backing music
Post by: sam.spoons on April 18, 2015, 09:32:44 PM
I had one recently for a signed, ex TV "Stars In Their Minds" type show graduate which arrived with a scruffy handwritten piece of paper (looked like it had been torn from the back of an envelope), ambiguous track numbering (two columns of numbers) and, come the show, I played the wrong track..... I did play the track with the number I was asked to play but...... Typical gig, no problem, the talent laughed it off and apologises to me afterwords..... Sadly not this time due to the 'local radio' ar$eh@les in charge....... Needless to say I won't work for them again even if they ask (which they won't  :( )
Title: Re: DL 32R using hard drive for backing music
Post by: Keyboard Magic on April 18, 2015, 10:59:04 PM
I have them mostly well trained at the school, always get the CDs well before, but once in a while I get handed an audio cassette, at dress rehearsal. I guess I should throw the tape deck in with the gear. Try to find the right song on a tape deck even with the tape counter.  x(  It is old school (no pun intended) but it really does happen.
Title: Re: DL 32R using hard drive for backing music
Post by: dpdan on April 19, 2015, 03:56:22 AM
all that old analog crap, I don't miss it.. AT ALL :)
WOW and flutter,
tape hiss louder than the music,
distortion,
bad bias settings,
Dolby pumping... 
GEEZ,,

don't get me started  :facepalm:

but really, those things do make me really appreciate digital audio and all that it is capable of... and yes,
I love how digital sounds. I am old enough to apppreciate where we have come from.
 

Title: Re: DL 32R using hard drive for backing music
Post by: Sir Krang on April 19, 2015, 06:51:27 AM
iTunes has had wav conversion available for years Sam, I've been using it since iPod v2. :)
The thing that gets me is performers turning up with a cd or usb drive without:
1: checking in advance you have a device that will play their media.
2: not bringing their own device that will play their media.
3: blaming you for their lack of preparation, usually not to your face.
4: not bothering to buy their own equipment, not even a mic.
Rant over >:D
Robbo, you musta been working for the exact same acts as I've have.

I haven't owned a functioning CD player this century...well apart from the one built into my truck stereo.
I've lost track of how often I'm expected to play some format CD/DVD when there are literally squillions of MP3 players out there.
3mm stereo jack, plug straight into a mixer with the necessary lead. Easy peazy to dial up and play the correct tracks.

Luckily there's always been some other group member who has their stuff on their personal iPod thingy and we get through the show without a hitch.

Handing me a CD to play these days is almost as archaic as handing me a floppy disk LOL  :lol:
Title: Re: DL 32R using hard drive for backing music
Post by: Wynnd on April 19, 2015, 10:40:26 AM
What I've been getting mostly lately is the music is on their phone.  This is one of those places where having airplay available has been a plus.  Because I already have a cable with the right sized phone plug feeding two channels.  The only real issue I have, is that I'm not familiar enough with each phone to operate them all.  Just taken to having the person whose phone it is turn the music on.  This has also been useful with a number of break music situations where the crowd is black.  I've got some R&B on my phone, but it's all very old school.  Mostly stuff I play and grew up with.  It wasn't right for the wedding reception.  Couple was in their 30s.  I just didn't have or even know what music would have been right.  But someone's phone had the right stuff on it.  (And that's not the only situation where this has saved my ass.)  And I don't listen to modern music much at all.  So I'm out of touch with most crowds under 45.   Playing with some younger players has introduced me to some of the new music, but I'm getting ready to start playing the "animal circuit".  (Moose, Elks, Owls, Eagles.....  My Wife's term for those clubs.)
Title: Re: DL 32R using hard drive for backing music
Post by: Kev tyler on April 19, 2015, 03:34:08 PM
Hi guys

I still find iTunes to have a mind of its own when dealing with m3u imports and exports,

I have a set of 259 songs compiled in Winamp, when I have to import it in to I tunes and it says 242 songs successfully imported, and then I have to run two pcs and go through the list song by song to find  which songs I tunes failed to import, etc etc.

My mate rang me last month in a panic, he wa doing pa for some bloke from benidorm who showed up on the last minute with a mini disk and no player, "superstars"

Funniest night ever, I was doing sound for myself and some river dance show, the two girls barely acknowledged me, sat as far away from me as possible and then right before their show they passed me a cd which I ran through Winamp on my laptop, just press play they said,

Ok, well I always use gap killer on playback, how was I supposed to know they had  2 minutes of silence on track two to stand static on stage and catch their breath lol.

I love the hand written notes, track three track six, then change cd, track one, when the plonkers have the cd in the wrong case.

Show business :lol:
Title: Re: DL 32R using hard drive for backing music
Post by: sam.spoons on April 19, 2015, 03:54:33 PM
With CDRs costing around 15p there's no excuse not to burn the tracks to a fresh CD in the correct order for every gig (or at least every time the set changes or the CD starts to look a bit dog eared).  :facepalm:
Title: Re: DL 32R using hard drive for backing music
Post by: slystewart on April 19, 2015, 07:35:45 PM
looking at the Denon DN 300Z rack unit 1 u  in size looks like it has all  the input needs  for music playback
Title: Re: DL 32R using hard drive for backing music
Post by: Keyboard Magic on April 20, 2015, 01:40:22 AM
I make sure I get the CDs from the different teachers 3-4 days before a concert. I rip the required tracks with CD-DA Extractor on the laptop, normalize them, put them into the appropriate order for the concert in iTunes and
finally into the iPod/iPad ready for the concert via AirPlay of course.  8)

For my playback app I use One Track Mind it allows me to play only one song at a time and stop when the song has played. It's a lot of work but it does save me a lot of headaches. No more 10 CD's at concert with the selections hastily written down on pieces of paper with each disc and sometimes it's the wrong song. And of course it's all my fault.  :facepalm: No more. Hurray for digital playback devices!  :)
Title: Re: DL 32R using hard drive for backing music
Post by: Kev tyler on April 20, 2015, 07:58:04 AM
One track mind, not seen that,

Nice unit that denon isn't it,

Cheers guys
Title: Re: DL 32R using hard drive for backing music
Post by: Keyboard Magic on April 20, 2015, 12:43:32 PM
One track mind, not seen that,

Nice unit that denon isn't it,

Cheers guys

That Denon is pretty cool for the price. Oh my goodness more cool toys to wish upon! And One Track Mind is a $1.19 app too. In case anyone is interested, here's the link:

https://itunes.apple.com/ca/app/one-track-mind/id509958487?mt=8