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Unofficial Mackie User Forums => DL1608/DL806/DL32R/ProDX Mixers => Topic started by: slystewart on March 14, 2015, 04:25:10 PM
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When buying the DL 1608 some 2 years ago I was before buying always looking for hands on videos
by people using them in live situations and events , seems to be plenty of Mackie videos and company's
Selling the units but very few real. Videos or U tube type demos.
Now looking at the 32r seems the same situation plenty of corporate videos not many user ones. . I might try put one on but never done it before so if any one out there done this kinda thing before I'll be the first to watch .
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When buying the DL 1608 some 2 years ago I was before buying always looking for hands on videos
by people using them in live situations and events , seems to be plenty of Mackie videos and company's
Selling the units but very few real. Videos or U tube type demos.
Now looking at the 32r seems the same situation plenty of corporate videos not many user ones. . I might try put one on but never done it before so if any one out there done this kinda thing before I'll be the first to watch .
It's pretty hard to be able to put something together in the heat of the moment on a real gig. I know I generally wouldn't have time. Maybe over the summer, I could convince one of my bands to put up with going through a setup-and-use video for the DL1608 (because it's what I have -- if someone wants to send me a DL32, I'd be happy to that one, too), but certainly not before.
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I did this live gig video back in December right after I got my DL32R, it is a horribly amature video shot by yours truly with just two GoPo cameras.
Also, the band had numerous subs that night playing because some of the band members were sick.
I did this just to experiment with recording multi-track with the attached USB hard drive to the USB port on the DL32R and then mixing it in Digital Performer
which is what I use for all my mixing. I wanted to MAKE SURE that the DL32R recorded with an accurate 48K sample rate and it did. The audio synced flawlessly with the video.
Video was edited in Final Cut Pro X on a Mac (of course) :)
The second video is the unboxing of the DL32R,, I was like a kid on Christmas day as you will see in the video!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FgQkBhK35rA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPqM-jFLkWc
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I did this live gig video back in December right after I got my DL32R, it is a horribly amature video shot by yours truly with just two GoPo cameras.
Also, the band had numerous subs that night playing because some of the band members were sick.
I did this just to experiment with recording multi-track with the attached USB hard drive to the USB port on the DL32R and then mixing it in Digital Performer
which is what I use for all my mixing. I wanted to MAKE SURE that the DL32R recorded with an accurate 48K sample rate and it did. The audio synced flawlessly with the video.
Video was edited in Final Cut Pro X on a Mac (of course) :)
The second video is the unboxing of the DL32R,, I was like a kid on Christmas day as you will see in the video!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FgQkBhK35rA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPqM-jFLkWc
LOL Dan, the Christmas day analogy is perfect.
I think I'm worse than a kid :facepalm: ;)
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Nice video, live band, I don't see much of this any more,
:)
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And I agree, with the other video post script, start the soundcheck with the vocals ,
A man after my own heart
:)
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thanks Kevin,
as most of us here know, there are so many ways to set up and mix sound. I got a kick out of just connecting a hard drive.
Last night I recorded a symphony and did video as well with 10 cameras, I am editiing the video today and
will post a video of some clips from that concert. Completely different than the "band" video.
The symphony uses a pipe organ with a 32 foot stop. The lowest pedal (C) produces a 16 Hz. pitch.
For this recording, I used my Mac laptop running Digital Performer connected to the Mackie DL32R via USB.
I used two AKG C414 XLS microphones for strings, a stereo Schoeps CMXY4V microphone for woodwinds, brass and percussion,
and a pair of Neumann KM 184 mics for the organ.
The DL32R had no problem capturing the fundamental tone of 16 Hz.
It is so low that even if you have a good subwoofer, it probably won't faithfully reproduce the low C since most subs drop off under 28 Hz., a complete octave below.
Thanks for the nice compliments Kev!
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Looking forward to some of those clips. There really isn't another instrument quite like a pipe organ.
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Wynnd,
YES!
The King of Instruments :)
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Cheers Dan
I am not one to complain ( :lol:)but I imagine all singers hate being "requested " to attend sound check, and then have to sit through bass drum for half an hour then overheads then all the rest of it only to find that hours later after a very quick one two that all available headroom has been zapped by everyone else in the band and you then spend the whole gig straining yourself,
No business like show business eh mate.
Keep it coming with the vids, it's nice after years in soloville to see people playing and hitting things with sticks etc.
:)
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I can understand why one would want to verify the tonal qualities of a mic channel, but really, does the audience care that much or even able to notice if it's barely different? I can see those places where you might use a gate or compressor. (I find adding a compressor on the fly works OK for me.) I would think that most audiences can't even tell when the organ is coming through a leslie or not. (And when Mic'd Leslies are even more like the internal rotary effects. That's the reason I refuse to mic my Leslies.)
I have noticed that when the system is very flat to begin with, it sounds more consistent in a variety of places. It would be nice to EQ for every room, but pink noise sucks. (I go for the flat before arriving setup.)
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The audience probably won't notice a raft of issues but I would, having it sounding the way I want keeps me happy. That makes life easier for anybody nearby lol😉
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Sound guys should be happy!!
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They always notice feedback :facepalm:
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I have a saying.
When the sound is good, nobody notices
When the sound is bad, EVERYBODY notices!
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Yup :(
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I have a saying too
" for goodness sake will you turn me up, and kill the bass drum and bass guitar in my monitors please"
I have a foul mouthed variant of the above, but it's not for polite company such as this.
:)
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I have a saying too
" for goodness sake will you turn me up, and kill the bass drum and bass guitar in my monitors please"
I have a foul mouthed variant of the above, but it's not for polite company such as this.
:)
"...will you turn me up..." is what I hear from every musician! Seems like everyone only want to hear themselves... :)
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I know mate
But when I work with a 6 piece band, and sometimes can't sound check the engineer on occasions has does an iem mix for me, full of bass , bass drum, synths, lead guitar, overheads on the drums, I can hear the guitar because the marshal stack is three feet away,
There are good singers and good engineers I guess,
:)
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I know mate
But when I work with a 6 piece band, and sometimes can't sound check the engineer on occasions has does an iem mix for me, full of bass , bass drum, synths, lead guitar, overheads on the drums, I can hear the guitar because the marshal stack is three feet away,
There are good singers and good engineers I guess,
:)
Oh, lordy! No, if I have to rough mix something for someone who can't be there for sound check -- or there's not going to be time for sound check -- then there's no bass or drums in the rough IEM mix -- and that person's vocal is always a little more "present" than anything else. Of course, once I get the mix for someone nailed down, it's stored safely away (along with their channel settings) for next time.
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When I'm mixing for a muso who sings (and it's virtually always wedges at my end of the food chain) they get their own vocal first and, if they play an acoustic instrument that too. Anything else they only get if they ask for it. I'd do it differently if it was IEMs, I'd ask them to tell me precisely what they want in their monitor mix.
My best monitor desk anecdote though is of the '60 band drummer who had a JBL PRX635 (135 dB SPL) monitor about a metre from his left ear and when asked what he wanted in it he said "drums, just drums nothing else, and as loud as you can" we reached the point of feedback with the clip light on the speaker blinking and he said "louder"!!! TBF, when I told him that was it he said "thanks" and got on with the job. He must have been as deaf as a post ::)
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I have a saying.
When the sound is good, nobody notices
When the sound is bad, EVERYBODY notices!
THAT'S THE TRUTH
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Often when faced with a musically challenged band who are failng on so many levels, the de-facto remark is:
"You can't polish a turd"
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Yes but you can roll it in glitter,
Cheers gerenm, job in Ibiza with your name on?
What annoys me about working with a live band is how together tight w.h.y you are when you work on a tight stage, and as soon as you start doing festivals and such, the band wants to set up as far away from each other as possible and have everything in monitors, recipe for disaster imho.
:)
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Yea, I saw a suggestion that if you usually setup tightly, that even on large stages, you should continue to setup tightly. That way, the sounds that you are used to hearing are still the sounds you are hearing. I have run into bands that didn't make the transition to outdoor stages where so much sound leaves the stage. If you don't make up that loss in volume to compensate, some musicians get lost. (Really, shouldn't you be rehearsing at much lower volumes anyway?)
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Cheers gerenm, job in Ibiza with your name on?
Looks lovely! I'll be there next week! :)
(I wish!)
LOL!
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Yes but you can roll it in glitter,
Lol😝😝😝😝
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Yes but you can roll it in glitter,
Lol😝😝😝😝
My beloved TC Finalizer, formerly known as "The Turd Polisher" has been re-named "The Glitter Box"......
Oh, hang on a mo.... can't use the name Glitter any more..... :facepalm:
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I tried introducing a regimented rehearsal process with my Spanish band, but by the time we had all shook hands and kissed each other translated everything, it was time to go home.
:)
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Stage volume addressed in the attachment.