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Unofficial Mackie User Forums => DL1608/DL806/DL32R/ProDX Mixers => Topic started by: RoadRanger on December 09, 2015, 07:50:37 PM
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V4 Released! :)
http://cacophony.aspinock.com/index.php?topic=1109.0
Stll wanting a second reverb on the DL1608 - You get FOUR great sounding FX on the Behringer X Air XR18 :P .
Oh, and a rackmount DL2412 - they can do that with just a software upgrade, right? :mrgreen:
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UserVoice Top 10:
http://mackie.uservoice.com/forums/97035-dl-series/filters/top
Android App - 1,044 votes
(Dup) Windows and Android compatibility - 120 votes
(Dup) Master Fader Software for Mac OS X and Windows. - 511 votes
A much better reverb please. Current one is almost unusable. - 1013 votes
MONO OUT for a single (1) sub with (2) stereo tops. Aux 6? Not same as crossover idea. Just MONO. - 351 votes
Aux Sends switchable PER CHANNEL between Pre or Post CHANNEL EQ /DSP - 347 votes
Allow the remote control of the recording option and music playback on the docked iPad from a wireless connection iPad - 263 votes
Feedback eliminator plugin for the aux's and or mains - 255 votes
Use iPhone headphone output for monitor mixes? - 224 votes
(Dup) Send the monitor mix back to the 10 ipads for in-ear monitoring - 122 votes
link multiple DL1608s via Dante on the Ethernet port - 187 votes
It will be usefull to have a second reverb instead of delay. - 121 votes
(Dup) Let both effects paths use any available plugin each - 61 votes
Key input for all comps and gates - 100 votes
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Drag and drop interface for rearranging channels.
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Rearranging channels is there in 4.0! :)
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Rearranging channels is there in 4.0! :)
No
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My mistake - I misinterpreted the drag & drop channel labeling in the "Mackie Master Fader v4.0 - What's New " video
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I would still like the ability to assign a different Mix View to different outputs so that when I switch between those outputs' mixes, I only see the channels that are relevant for that mix - assigned by the Mix View.
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I could go for that. That would help with my variety shows. For that matter, I'd like more view and mute options on the DL1608. My needs are a little unusual.
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My DL32R has 16 outputs (14 XLR, 2 1/4"). I typically use 6 to 8 outputs. It would be nice to be able to use those extra outputs as inputs. It's not uncommon for me to run out of inputs. So, if I could through a barrel connector on those extra XLRs and route them to input channels, that would be great. I could route them to Returns channels, or other channels as needed.
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My DL32R has 16 outputs (14 XLR, 2 1/4"). I typically use 6 to 8 outputs. It would be nice to be able to use those extra outputs as inputs. It's not uncommon for me to run out of inputs. So, if I could through a barrel connector on those extra XLRs and route them to input channels, that would be great. I could route them to Returns channels, or other channels as needed.
I'm pretty sure that would require major hardware changes as well.
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My DL32R has 16 outputs (14 XLR, 2 1/4"). I typically use 6 to 8 outputs. It would be nice to be able to use those extra outputs as inputs. It's not uncommon for me to run out of inputs. So, if I could through a barrel connector on those extra XLRs and route them to input channels, that would be great. I could route them to Returns channels, or other channels as needed.
I'm pretty sure that would require major hardware changes as well.
It shouldn't. It's just a matter of routing.
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I'm pretty sure that would require major hardware changes as well.
It shouldn't. It's just a matter of routing.
Oy Vey.
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My DL32R has 16 outputs (14 XLR, 2 1/4"). I typically use 6 to 8 outputs. It would be nice to be able to use those extra outputs as inputs. It's not uncommon for me to run out of inputs. So, if I could through a barrel connector on those extra XLRs and route them to input channels, that would be great. I could route them to Returns channels, or other channels as needed.
I'm pretty sure that would require major hardware changes as well.
It shouldn't. It's just a matter of routing.
No, 'fraid not, an analogue output is not an analogue input, totally different electronics :(
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Still waiting for some type of file management system for audio files. Without being able to organize files into folders it is very difficult to find what your looking for on the drive. This is especially difficult if you have hundreds of files. Also you should be able to make playlists. What's the use, scrolling thru untold files just to find your next "cue". The only way it can be done now is by renaming all the files you want to use with a numerical prefix, otherwise everything is alphabetical. It's akin to trying to find a song on a 20,000 song iTunes library, without the benefit of search, artist or album. It's just plain CHEESEY.
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one big practical thing i see that the XR18 has and the DL is still missing is real key control for the gates and comps, so you can EQ the triggers for de-essing, better drum gating, stuff like that.
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Walter, I have no idea what that means. Real Key Control? (Don't use gates very often.)
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Walter, I have no idea what that means. Real Key Control? (Don't use gates very often.)
It's a gate side-chain control, that allows you to dial up the offending frequency in order to trigger the gate. I had a Behringer XR4400 4 channel gate that had this feature.
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I still would like a side-chain insert allowing me to control a channel's gate, from the signal on another channel.
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I would like the L-R trim for the Music Return to be pre-mixer, so the metering on the Returns will indicate the amount of trim visually on the channel strip. And more than 4 view groups for the DL-32R, at least. Instead of A-D, how about A-F?
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And more than 4 view groups for the DL-32R, at least. Instead of A-D, how about A-F?
We already have A-F for Master Fader.
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I was looking at my iPhone. It only has A-D.
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Make sure you have the DL32R selected in Devices. If not, it only shows A-D. On my iPhone, if I select the DL32R in Devices, it shows A-F.
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How about simplifying the import/export nonsense. There must be a simpler way of doing it. I did some shows with MF4 before going back to MF3 so as not to loose all my clients and gave up on trying to recuperate the show files. I don't use mail on my ipads (they're for music) and icloud drive wants me to knacker my old iphone 4s and to force me to update my 10.8 MBP (I don't like apple's dumbed down latest systems). There must be an easier way to do it without undocking.
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Português - BR
Selecionar origem de captação do RTA
Selecionar entre o sinal de output de um auxiliar - LR. ou o próprio microfone do ipad.
Para alinhar um sistema nao podemos usar o output de um canal, lá certamente o sinal será mais perfeito pois não sofre de interferências de ambiente e de qualidade das caixas de som.
Creio que isso pudesse ser empregado com algo que o técnico pode selecionar.
Mas este recuso por favor na dl1608
Vcs ja ficaram devendo o pink noise para a dl1608
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Boa tarde.
Português - BR
Tenho uma mesa dl1608
Gostaria de passar e tirar algumas dúvidas.
Com relação ao Pink noise este recurso pretende ser incrementado na dl1608?
Infelizmente faz muita falta esta ferramenta.
Com relação ao RTA disponível hoje.
Creio que utilizar o sinal de output de um dos auxiliares ajuda bastante para acertar uma voz ou um instrumento ate mesmo uma microfonia. ...
Porem não ajuda em nada para alinharmos o sistema, pois ao soltar o pink noise no canal do ipad e ligar o RTA no LR o sinal esta perfeito, mas o sistema nao esta nada alinhado.
Acredito que a ferramenta de RTA ja disponível é muito boa mas apenas para equalização... para ficar perfeita seria ótimo que tivesse nos input com isso certamente conseguiriamos fazer a equalização do canal mais perfeitamente e mais rápido.
Minha sugestão é. ...
E uma outra ferramenta para alinhamento de sistema.
Com pink noise e RTA
Porém creio que o ideal seria utilizar o microfone do ipad ou ate mesmo plugar em um determinado canal um microfone condensador especifico para RTA.
Mas o ideal seria que pudessemos escolher entre um canal ou o microfone do ipad.
Com a ferramenta existente de RTA conseguiriamos equalizar os canais perfeitamente alinhados, e também alinhariamos o sistema perfeitamente.
Fica ai minha dica.
Valew.
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Here’s my wish list for MF 5:
1: Completely backward compatible and operable with older iOS devices.
2: Multi-platform for all OSes.
3: No worries about any updates (MF or iOS) maybe rendering “anything” useless in the middle of a gig.
4: Keep the GUI as easy and comfortable to use as it always was and is.
Don’t think this to too much to ask for? :angel:
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Here’s my wish list for MF 5:
1: Completely backward compatible and operable with older iOS devices.
2: Multi-platform for all OSes.
3: No worries about any updates (MF or iOS) maybe rendering “anything” useless in the middle of a gig.
4: Keep the GUI as easy and comfortable to use as it always was and is.
Don’t think this to too much to ask for? :angel:
Hi KB, and one more thing:
5: a half decent reverb. (I don't know if I mentioned this before...) I've gone back to using Audioreverb on aux6 and comparing it to Mackie's disgraceful parody of a reverb the difference is immense and it runs quite happily in the background. People keep saying that it's possible to edit Mackie's reverb, sorry that's bollocks it is hopeless. Virsyn sell Audioreverb for only $6.99, come on Beno are you that short on funds? There's also another bug in MF4 that no one has mentioned yet. Every other time I want to name a channel the little box comes up empty. If you type something in it works but you don't see anything. Having a second try makes it work as expected.
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Hey, pytchley
Although I don't use reverb at all, I don't see why they really can't create a better one, without too much effort. And the bugs are annoying to say the least and always seem to rear their ugly heads in a critical situation, unfortunately. I touched on it in number 3 sort of in a generalization.
Even if you stray from the fold and look to greener pastures, with all the wonderful tech available today there's still no guarantees with any of the products. I would rather stay with digital mixers than go back to analog just the same though. Pay to Play, I guess. ;)
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Hi Pytchley,
For the channel naming box, this works properly for me every time.
Are you running the most current IOS on your Ipad(s)?
Is this on a DL1608 or DL32R? Both?
Anybody else seeing this bug?
Thanks and good health, Weogo
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I'm messing about with an XR12 as a bass preamp and holy carp does it have an amazing collection of awesome FX!
But there are some things Mackie does better so the game ain't over yet :) .
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Hi Pytchley,
For the channel naming box, this works properly for me every time.
Are you running the most current IOS on your Ipad(s)?
Is this on a DL1608 or DL32R? Both?
Anybody else seeing this bug?
Thanks and good health, Weogo
IOS8 on an ipad3, don't want to update, it's slow enough as it is. DL1608.
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iOS 9 didn't slow down my ancient iPad 2 as far as I can see.
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I'm also using ios 9 and Master Fader 4.x on my ipad 2. It's doing it for me.
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Here’s my wish list for MF 5:
1: Completely backward compatible and operable with older iOS devices.
2: Multi-platform for all OSes.
3: No worries about any updates (MF or iOS) maybe rendering “anything” useless in the middle of a gig.
4: Keep the GUI as easy and comfortable to use as it always was and is.
Don’t think this to too much to ask for? :angel:
Multi-Platform is a lot to ask for.
As someone who works with iOS and Android on app-enabled hardware, I strongly hope Mackie never bothers with Android. Google is a PITA when it comes to app-connected devices, since they are so lax in enforcing the standards on chipsets, etc. Each tablet from each manufacturer has to be individually qualified, and a lot of the cheap crap android tablets out there are just that - cheap crap. I would much rather Mackie stay focused on building a better iOS version than getting sidetracked trying to see if the Asus or HTC tablet might work if they did significant coding additions. App-connected or app-enabled devices (where the phone/tablet has to work with external hardware) is very difficult. iOS makes it a lot easier, and contrary to thought, you can port some of the code, but the "I'll do what I want" attitude of Android makes this a mess.
One of the best things a startup or a company with limited resources can learn is to say no. In this case no to Android.
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Just a note that the Windows, iOS, and Android apps for Behringer's X-Air are completely different and the iOS app in particular doesn't support all the functionality of the mixers :( .
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Just a note that the Windows, iOS, and Android apps for Behringer's X-Air are completely different and the iOS app in particular doesn't support all the functionality of the mixers :( .
Yep, this stuff isn't easy.
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* Different fader knob for sends. Changing color isn't enough ... the aux send faders look just like the input channel faders ... easy to accidentally move the send fader when you meant to move the main channel fader, and then not discover the incorrect position of the send fader because of all the layering and scrolling. Having a different look for the send fader knobs would help.
* recording dongle for DL1608/806. Allow a USB drive to be (via adapter cord) plugged into the docking port instead of an iPad, and then control the recordings from the wireless iPads. Having the recording available only on a docked iPad is a waste of an iPad. Don't know if this can be done with the DL1608 hardware though.
Thanks. John
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You can record to an iPhone or an iPad Touch, I don't think you even need MF installed if you use a third party recording app so anything with the appropriate dock connector should work. I'll test it next time I get the DL out (but that may be a couple of weeks).
+1 for a more obvious distinction between the Main and aux fader layers.
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You can record to an iPhone or an iPad Touch, I don't think you even need MF installed if you use a third party recording app so anything with the appropriate dock connector should work. I'll test it next time I get the DL out (but that may be a couple of weeks).
So is there a constant live feed coming from the board through the docking connector?
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* Different fader knob for sends. Changing color isn't enough ... the aux send faders look just like the input channel faders ... easy to accidentally move the send fader when you meant to move the main channel fader, and then not discover the incorrect position of the send fader because of all the layering and scrolling. Having a different look for the send fader knobs would help.
Interesting idea, but I have to disagree. I've worked on physical digital boards, and have made this same mistake. But I haven't made this mistake with MF, due to the colors. I can see an issue if the person using the app is color blind (which would probably make them extra careful), but otherwise, I like have the same faders, always, for volume. Consistency makes the app easier to use.
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As far as I know yes, as I said I'll have to check and I use MF2/Classic and my DL is a 30 pin dock so it may not apply to MF3 or 4 or Lightning Docks (though I can't see why not). You can certainly use a third party app to record via the 30 pin dock and it is not the analogue signal you are accessing.
If you can test it that would be cool but I will try to get to it at the next opportunity as it's piqued my interest :)
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* Different fader knob for sends. Changing color isn't enough ... the aux send faders look just like the input channel faders ... easy to accidentally move the send fader when you meant to move the main channel fader, and then not discover the incorrect position of the send fader because of all the layering and scrolling. Having a different look for the send fader knobs would help.
Interesting idea, but I have to disagree. I've worked on physical digital boards, and have made this same mistake. But I haven't made this mistake with MF, due to the colors. I can see an issue if the person using the app is color blind (which would probably make them extra careful), but otherwise, I like have the same faders, always, for volume. Consistency makes the app easier to use.
I am not concerned for myself as I am well familiar with the UI ... I have people helping me periodically, and if one is not familiar with the UI it helps to have the layers be presented as distinctly as possible. On an analog board the aux sends would be pots above the pan control -- no confusion there. One idea for an analogous (NPI) control on the digital UI would be a pot for a knob that shows it's radial position as you raise or lower it.
Thanks. John
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* Different fader knob for sends. Changing color isn't enough ... the aux send faders look just like the input channel faders ... easy to accidentally move the send fader when you meant to move the main channel fader, and then not discover the incorrect position of the send fader because of all the layering and scrolling. Having a different look for the send fader knobs would help.
Interesting idea, but I have to disagree. I've worked on physical digital boards, and have made this same mistake. But I haven't made this mistake with MF, due to the colors. I can see an issue if the person using the app is color blind (which would probably make them extra careful), but otherwise, I like have the same faders, always, for volume. Consistency makes the app easier to use.
I use MF2/Classic and the colours are not distinct enough to guarantee recognition of different aux/main layers. They are significantly better in MF3 and 4 though (having just reappraised them) so I think you are probably right.
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Hi Folks,
As noted in some past threads I regularly double-assign many channels, with XLR-Y cables on the DL1608 and digitally on the DL32R.
House channels are one color, and are on one View Group, Monitor channels are a different color and on a different View Group.
All the Monitor channels are un-assigned from the house mix and groups, so even if one of their faders is raised in the L/R mix, no audio goes there.
For the House channels, I do have to be careful not to raise the fader in a Monitor view.
This provides a House mixer and a Monitor mixer, with only channel input gains shared.
The old Yamaha 01V96 with layers 1~16 and 17~32 made this really easy; I did this for over a decade.
Before that it was a split snake and separate House and Monitor mixers.
This approach obviously cuts the channel count available, and requires some extra View Group switching, but works well for me.
Biggest benefit is not having any compression on the Monitor channels, while still being able to compress the House channels.
Sometimes having different Monitor and House EQ is also helpful.
For various reasons, occasionally I still use one channel for House and Monitors, and certainly appreciate the simplicity!
Thanks and good health, Weogo
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* Different fader knob for sends. Changing color isn't enough ... the aux send faders look just like the input channel faders ... easy to accidentally move the send fader when you meant to move the main channel fader, and then not discover the incorrect position of the send fader because of all the layering and scrolling. Having a different look for the send fader knobs would help.
* recording dongle for DL1608/806. Allow a USB drive to be (via adapter cord) plugged into the docking port instead of an iPad, and then control the recordings from the wireless iPads. Having the recording available only on a docked iPad is a waste of an iPad. Don't know if this can be done with the DL1608 hardware though.
Thanks. John
The 1608 mixer is dumb, so this isn't even possible. It records to the iPad. Not the same as its bigger brother.