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Unofficial Mackie User Forums => DL1608/DL806/DL32R/ProDX Mixers => Topic started by: pppriit on September 03, 2014, 06:46:30 AM
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There are news about 2 racksize models of mixers from Presonus.
http://www.youtube.com/embed/kq5KKbWmt74?autoplay=1&rel=0.
Looks very promising.
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Yup, looks cool :)
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This field is getting crowded and very interesting. The estimated pricing will be £1,229 for the RM16AI and £1749 for the RM32AI. Not that much of a difference between the two. Of course the control surfaces are extra.
Map for the US is $1399 for the RM16AI and $1999 for the RM32AI.
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Looks like a decent amount of thought has gone into the control surface, just wish I could afford a 28" tablet!! :-)
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Mackie is going to be an also ran with their new line. Presonus just killed it off before it hit the market with a well thought out UI that Mackie most likely won't have. October 15th will tell. Here are the details of the RM series from Presonus:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSq8pnXCc7Y&feature=em-uploademail
Behringer will finally have competition for the X32.
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Here are more details on the RM series, very impressive. One of the few companies that understands the value of quality UI software and flexibility expected with most modern software.
http://www.presonus.com/uploads/products/3423/downloads/presonus_rm_series_brochure_en.pdf
Sample rate up to 96 kHz, are you listening Music Group? Expandable to 64 inputs by cascading for under $5000. Well planned monitor mixer integration.
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Well talk about shooting yourself in the foot, the record and playback is done via the dead Fire-wire S800 com. I guess they don't keep up with the PC world. There are 3 com technologies that have steamrolled all others into niche markets. They are Ethernet/WiFi (because of the infrastructure), Bluetooth (because of simplicity and tech), and USB (because of patent and other reasons). I doubt if Dante or AVB will bail them out. ::) Time for a USB v3 and 1Gig Ethernet as the standard add-in card.
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People keep saying firewire is dead. It sure works well. I still use it for recording. (But then again, I haven't given up on my Alesis MultiMix 16 Firewire as a recording mixer and a backup mixer.) I understand that nearly no one is installing firewire on new hardware. My newest vehicle is a 1999 too. (And I'm still using gasoline and haven't upgraded to an electric vehicle yet.) I'm also playing through 1970s Leslies and a few amps and speaker cabinets from that same era. I no longer own a floppy drive of any size and my CRTs are gone too. But upgrades need to happen for a reason besides no one else thinks it's a good idea.
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Wynnd that's called Nostalgia. If you're going to place the job of record and playback on another device such as most mixer manufacturers have done then you best pay attention to what is out there to accommodate you. I have all of the devices you long for still, floppies Crt's etc.. :) Thinking about starting a Museum.
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Funny. I do hang onto stuff that works. Glad the CRTs are gone. (Took the last one in the house to Goodwill about two weeks ago.) Don't miss the floppy drives. (I can make them work, but why bother?) If I opened a museum, it would have to be motorcycles. I don't own a B3 and if I did, it would never leave my living room. (Organ is a Roland VK-77. I know there are newer ones, but this one meets my needs and will probably last until I quit playing.)
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Wonder if Presonus is waiting for Dante Via (end of 2014) and write code to support it assuming latencies aren't a problem. It will save a bunch of $$ compared with X-32 Dante card. Then Firewire would be irrelevant.
https://www.audinate.com/products/software/dante-via
They already have a 1 Gig Ethernet connection. :)
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The market is soon to be awash with all these 16 and 32 channel digi efforts, crazy, the most prolific form of entertainment and the best paid compared to bands and such is the solo entertainer, or guitar vocalist, or duo, shame that apart from sm pro and dl806 these guys are being completely ignored by the industry,
4 channels in a 1u case is the future
:)
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[...] the most prolific form of entertainment and the best paid compared to bands and such is the solo entertainer, or guitar vocalist, or duo, shame that apart from sm pro and dl806 these guys are being completely ignored by the industry, 4 channels in a 1u case is the future :)
I think only 4 channels is a bit tight for a duo - they often times will have someone else sit in on harmonica or some such, and need an extra mic for announcements. Then you need a couple for playback of break music and/or tracks. So now you're at 8 channels which IMO is the "sweet spot" for a duos mixer :) . I have a common "acoustic" amp with one instrument and one mic channels that I don't use much and a Carvin 4 channel all-in-one cab PA that's useful but I often wish for a couple few more channels.
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OTOH for my "big" mixer I'd like a 20-24 channel, 16 can get crowded on occasion. Seems like most everyone is skipping over the 24 channel market :( . If Mackie's rackmount only comes as a 32 I might be inclined to look at the Behringer X32 Rack a bit more with it's 16+6 channel capacity. A 16 channel plus stereo input (for break music/tracks) plus a couple mono line inputs (for wireless mics) is my dream mixer :) .
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Hi guys
I was thinking along the lines of the dl range which have Ipad playback plus 16 or 8 inputs,
So the imaginary dl 4, for solos thats plenty, duo 2 mics + 2 instruments fine, harmony trio or 4 piece vocal act with backing, no problem,
4 is a nice number, 1u is a nice format too,
Motu are making some nice low Actual physical channel count products but I am not willing to fork out 1400 euros when I only want to plug a mic and a pad in
Cheers
Kev
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I think you run into the law of diminishing returns with such a low channel count, A 1U box will happily house 8/4 I/O plus a couple of stereo line inputs, with that you'd have enough inputs if your vocal quartet brought a piano player and saxophonist to supplement their tracks :D
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Hi Sam
I know what you mean about diminishing returns, but I just wonder how much money mackie and behringer etc make out of the awful array of budget mixers and tat and speakers and amps that they knock out.
Look at behringer, apart from the dcx crossover and the x range, their pa products are average at best,
Mackie , dl range, great concept, I wouldn't plug one in to an srm speaker though,
There must be money in junk, enough to subsidise a low channel count quality mixer to give them a bit of kudos,
Regarding the 500 euro nearly there product, I really fancied the motu ultralite mk3, shame you can't run it direct from a pad without needing a pc and a router too.
As for the suggestions of people just popping up with harmonicas and sax and pianos, and needing extra channels, that is never going to happen, you are booked as a solo or duo, that's what they get and you take the necessary bit of kit.
Kev
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I also get your point about having the most compact kit which will do the job. But, I have a DL1608 and don't see the point in having anything smaller (well I do have an old 1202 VLZ from "Before Digital" but it's barely any smaller than the DL) I use it for everything from my duo up to 5/6/7 piece bands, scaling the rest of the rig as necessary. If there's room for a couple of K12s for FOH there's room for the DL, if not then I'm down to an AER Compact60 or two as the entire system. :)
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Hi Sam
Yes mate, I really fancy the 806, I am just being a bit of a fuss pot , all behringers coming soon nonsense put me off buying the 16 and now I am wondering if I should just wait to see if the x air or x18 come to pass or wait and see how the sm pro works out, the QSC looks really good too. but just a bit pricey for me , I think if you are going to use a pad onstage and physically work from a docked pad then the mackie is the way to go, I feel a bit sorry for mackie regarding the dl sales as I bet loads of people have been duped by berry and its non products.
Sorry mate this text is all over the place, no cursor on many forums since the iOS upgrade
Cheers
Kev
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I love the DL, but I haven't had any of the issues a few people on here have had (dropped sync, white noise etc) I've had mine for nearly two years now and it's been brilliant. As I said I will almost certainly be buying an X32 Compact soon for the increased channel count and the physical faders but I'll be keeping the DL for smaller gigs and as a backup desk on the bigger gigs. TBH I see no penalty in using my 16 input mixer for my duo other than initial outlay. The iPad on the mic stand works fine even though you can't run it and a playback app side by side (i.e. you need to swap from one to the other to use) but if you can make your mix as "set and forget" as possible it'll work fine. I use My Lyric Book alongside MF live and don't have to switch too often.
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Hi Sam
If have the pad on a stand, and an express plugged in to a bare dl, when I switch to the playback app to select a song, which would be transmitted wirelessly and then select the master fader app, does it have to hand shake again? Are there any associated problems working this way, for example would it interupt the AirPlay and try to route it to the mini Jack?
My iPhone has just decided to not recognize the Bluetooth antennas and the wi fi antennas, freezing it and overheating with a hair dryer remedied this temporarily lol, I am not happy and put off buying a i5 or i6 what a bummer as I reckon for solo vox I would get away with an airturn pedal and a docked pad with the playback app on top, pre planned set, minor Volume changes from a iPhone,
It's all decisons decisons, but with respect to my post on the dl bracket and tray etc, out of the question right now, 850 euros plus new iPhone, these companies must be rubbing their hands with us mugs. Lol
Cheers
Kev
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The MF app will handshake each time you reactivate it but it's not a problem.
I use an Airturn pedal with "My Lyric Book" and it works very well. Can't comment on other uses though. I would think it would work well though from my experience.
The iPhone with My Fader will give you a solid backup surface.
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Thanks Sam
I am trying to get up to speed with all the threads
Thanks for your help
Kev
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The MF app will handshake each time you reactivate it but it's not a problem.
I use an Airturn pedal with "My Lyric Book" and it works very well. Can't comment on other uses though. I would think it would work well though from my experience.
The iPhone with My Fader will give you a solid backup surface.
I should be able to give a report on using an ik Blue Board with OnSong and MF on an iPad Mini running iOS 8.0.2 after Saturday night.... I'll have an iPhone 5 with My Fader handy, too...
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Hi guys
I just watched the half hour on line demo on the presonus web site, that software looks great, a lot of staged questions from the guests though,
Nobody asked the bearded bloke how to turn the fx off, or why they didn't make a 8 ch version.
Kev
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Hi guys
I just watched the half hour on line demo on the presonus web site, that software looks great, a lot of staged questions from the guests though,
Nobody asked the bearded bloke how to turn the fx off, or why they didn't make a 8 ch version.
Kev
Sounds impressive (no pun intended). And yeah, some definite shills in the crowd. :)
I've used the existing StudioLive and the iPad app, and I wasn't real thrilled. This control software looks a bit nicer.