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Unofficial Mackie User Forums => DL1608/DL806/DL32R/ProDX Mixers => Topic started by: Mifisario on May 06, 2015, 11:33:22 PM
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I hope someone here can help me with this. I just bought a new DL1608L, and have a new Ipad Air and new 2nd gen (latest version) Airport Express. I have made the connections first, as all prior posts have indicated, I am solid green on the AE, and connected on the iPad. I slide the pad into the mixer, turn on the mixer, wait about five minutes (excessive I know), but upon undocking the DL1608 indicates "disconnected" under the wireless section. I had read an old post indicating to go into the wifi settings and make sure to add the IP and mask, found in the DHCP tab, in the Static tab section. So I did that. Rebooted the router and the mixer, waited, still show "disconnected". I always thought Apple and Apple worked best. I'm not so sure now. Am I really wasting my time with this, and if so what is the best recommendation for a simple router setup to get me going wireless? I still have time to return the AE if I am not going to get it to work. Thanks for your guidance.
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Nothing wrong with the airport express. I'm assuming you have a cat 5 network cable running from the mixer to the correct input on the Airport Express. You need to make sure you're connected to the correct WiFi network with your ipad. If you have that, and I've been using the 5 Ghz band, you should be able to see the wireless DL1608 connection in Master Fader. I don't recall if the 5 Ghz is activated by default. The AE will do both 2.4 and 5 Ghz at the same time and there are times when one is preferred to the other. (2.4 has a longer reach, 5 is a very clear band. We'll see how long that lasts.) Don't suppose you live near Denver. I'm better at working these issues out live than trying to recall the settings from the last time I saw them. (About a year ago.)
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to add to the good advice already given,
go to the Apple App Store from your iPad and get (for free) the Airport Utility.
It is a wonderful app for setting up the Airport Express router.
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Thank you both. Yes, I have cat5 from my network connection to the WAN connection on my AE, and then cat5 from the AE LAN connection to the 1608. I've got Airport Utility on my iPad and can see the active connection from the Internet to the AE, shows excellent connection. But it still doesn't seem to recognize the 1608 when the iPad is undocked.
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Adding to my reply, I haven't checked the settings yet for 2.4 or 5ghz. Should I allow both or force to 5? And is there a specific channel inshouldnuse or leave that open ended? Thank you again.
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I would suggest not connecting the internet to the router.
Just use a single Cat 5 "ethernet" cable from the ethernet port that is closest to the USB port,
then connect the other end to the Mackie mixer. Super simple, NO internet.
I use both 2,4 and 5ghz, I let the router automatically choose the best, clearest, cleanest signal at each job,
I never even look to see what it is using,, honestly, I don't care because I trust it that much.
Hope this helps you :)
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Thanks to all for the great advice. I found the problem, in a well hidden section of the Master Fader. I never thought to select the "i" (Info) icon on the wired section of the app. There I found a setting for static IP address. I changed it to dynamic, reset the mixer, and BAM! It connected wireless without issue. It's the little things...!
I appreciate everyone who responded, and am thrilled to now have my wireless setup working.
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excellent!!!
fun times ahead :)
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Hi guys
Hope you are all well, not been on here much since I bought my x air, it is a brilliant bit of kit, but like all modern products? , it seems to struggle with the apple airport express,
After witnessing dropouts on internal wi fi, I spent about six hours trying to get my laptop and pad to talk with the x, via the apple router, no luck, maybe because it only has one wired outlet?and in the end I did this, switched off the express and dragged a cheap and nasty router out of the cupboard and renamed it, and changed the settings on it to mimick those of my express, and instantly the units talked to each other in ethernet mode with two lan cables , , I then switched the x air to wi fi client mode, it still worked, then turned the lot off, and rebooted everything, old router went back in to storage and was replaced by exoress, no lan cables and there you go it worked perfect, not a technical fix and maybe not pertinent to Dl users but I thought I would share this crude method useful maybe to you in the future when all else fails.
Cheers
Kev
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Pretty sure that if any other WiFi router works, than a working Airport Express of Extreme will work too. Not to say you didn't have a bad one. I had one die on me. (within warranty.)
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Yes mate I k ow what you are saying, but I struggled for hours and the cheapo router worked instantly, however once them settings " stuck" in the x memory it saw the exoress no problem, I don't think I have a duff unit, I just think the exoress has too many quirks, especially for a device that does not even work for the Internet without another box, there are a few users struggling with wi fi connection on the x forum, I think they are using the exoress, I think personally that's it a bit of an emperors new clothes product. Probably over priced for what it does
Cheers
Kev
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Thanks to all for the great advice. I found the problem, in a well hidden section of the Master Fader. I never thought to select the "i" (Info) icon on the wired section of the app. There I found a setting for static IP address. I changed it to dynamic, reset the mixer, and BAM! It connected wireless without issue. It's the little things...!
I appreciate everyone who responded, and am thrilled to now have my wireless setup working.
PLEASE HELP MEEEEEEE! Where I can find that ===WELL HIDDEN SECTION- of Master Fader?? I turned crazy searching that option :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
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Yes mate I k ow what you are saying, but I struggled for hours and the cheapo router worked instantly, however once them settings " stuck" in the x memory it saw the exoress no problem, I don't think I have a duff unit, I just think the exoress has too many quirks, especially for a device that does not even work for the Internet without another box, there are a few users struggling with wi fi connection on the x forum, I think they are using the exoress, I think personally that's it a bit of an emperors new clothes product. Probably over priced for what it does
Kev,
I had a similar issue with the airport express and my Behringer X32.
I spent days tracking down a solution and finally found some threads saying that the the Airport Express sends out some sort of signal that the X32 doesn't like. The solution is to connect the airport express and the X32 via an ethernet switch. This works perfectly for me, though i hate having yet another device in the rack case.
Cheers
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Sorry Kev, I don't understand what you mead about the Express does connect to the internet without another box? Mine does!
I have no problems with my Apple Airport routers, I have 1 x Express (with the DL1608 for three years, no issues) and 2 x Extremes, main home router and X32 Compact. I have a gen 6 Extreme on the way for the home network and the second Extreme will live with the Rack.
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Pandita - Master Fader 4 has the IP address location on the Wireless device button on the Devices page. (Where you would select Access Limits or Help) I'm just assuming that if there's an IP address, it will use it. If you remove the IP address, it should ask the router to provide one. (Assuming the router is set up to do that.) On Master Fader 3, there is an EDIT button on the right side of the Wireless device select button. I'm not currently looking at a docked ipad and that might work differently. But that should be the place to start. One more thing. Airport Express takes a couple of minutes to fully boot when power is applied to it. I never turn the mixer on right away. (Busy setting up anyway.) The WiFi router has to be fully up and running before you start trying to attach to it. That way, if you have DHCP (dynamic host control protocol) turned on the Airport Express, it will be able to respond to your device's request for an address. Hope this helps.
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Sorry Kev, I don't understand what you mead about the Express does connect to the internet without another box? Mine does!
I have no problems with my Apple Airport routers, I have 1 x Express (with the DL1608 for three years, no issues) and 2 x Extremes, main home router and X32 Compact. I have a gen 6 Extreme on the way for the home network and the second Extreme will live with the Rack.
Sam,
From what I have read there is a known problem with some (but not all) X32s not liking the airport express unless an additional ethernet switch is used. It is certainly the case with my X32 rack. I don't think there is a problem using an Airport Extreme (indeed my X32 works fine with my Airport Extreme it just doesn't like the Airport Express) and I've also not heard of this problem affecting the DLs.
Cheers
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No wonder I have been going nuts trying to make the x32 work with my Airport express. I have spent hours trying different solutions and nothing worked. I finally went back to my little Cisco router which worked fine.
I don't want to give up on the AE since I like the music send feature, I may have to look into this Ethernet switch thing. Any suggestions what to buy ?
As far as DL, the AE works flawlessly with it and always has. Since the DL is my most used mixer I am glad there is no conflicts with the router.
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No wonder I have been going nuts trying to make the x32 work with my Airport express. I have spent hours trying different solutions and nothing worked. I finally went back to my little Cisco router which worked fine.
I don't want to give up on the AE since I like the music send feature, I may have to look into this Ethernet switch thing. Any suggestions what to buy ?
As far as DL, the AE works flawlessly with it and always has. Since the DL is my most used mixer I am glad there is no conflicts with the router.
I think pretty much anything will work - I think mine is a D-link. It was less than $20.
Re the X32, it took me a couple days to find this solution. I was going nuts until I found a post about it.
Cheers
Cheers
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Yes, I've heard that but as I use an Airport Extreme for my X32s I haven't encountered the problem. I did try briefly to set the Express up on it when my old Vigor router started playing up on the first X32 (Compact) gig but time was short and I ran without WiFi that night. Since then the Extreme runs fine in the studio though I know they haven't had issues. I'll maybe try the Express again as I intend to carry it and the DL1608 as backup on X32 gigs (nowt like tried and tested :))
When my Gen 6 Extreme arrives for the home network I'll have a dedicated router for each desk to avoid any potential setup issues in the heat of the gig. Gen 5 Airport Extremes are pretty cheap (£30 ish) on ebay so it makes sense to have a spare anyway.
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Hi Sam
I think what I meant at the time was that, the express was not like the normal router modem wireless thingymmy that you get when you buy an Internet package, now I realise that many wireless routers are just that, wireless and a router.
Cheers
Kev
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Not desiring to hijack this to a "fix my X problem" thread, so apologies are in order.
But since the X forum is so horribly unfriendly, this is really helping a few of us out that have both mixers
I don't want to go to the Extreme since it has no headphone out jack (to stream music) so if I get a Ethernet switch how
does it wire to the A -Express and the x32?
Since my cheapo Cisco seems to work well and its only the 2.4 version maybe I'm
better off to forsake the music option and just buy a more current dual band router that the X will be recognize.
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Has anyone here bothered to check what firmware version you're on. This may explain some of the variations. Here are the instructions if you haven't.
https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201669
Apple like everyone else doesn't write perfect code and may have a update for your Apple router.
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Hi Sam
I think what I meant at the time was that, the express was not like the normal router modem wireless thingymmy that you get when you buy an Internet package, now I realise that many wireless routers are just that, wireless and a router.
Cheers
Kev
I think I get what you mean, but I don't think that's right, back when the AE was new you plugged it direct into your phone line via the WAN connector. OTOH, now with "fibre to the cabinet" you need another box between the copper and your router.
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When I got the DL I had a cheap router which was fine. I upgraded to the A express and it was super easy to connect, assign a password and get working. I liked the ability to send music from my ipod/ipad direct to the board or adjust the volume from across the room. That's the reason for wanting on the X32. But since they wont play nice without a bunch more hardware and since the X32 stays in my rehearsal room, I will do without
the music option and just get a better router. It's a shame that it doesn't work the way I planned.
Since I'm not great with all these router settings like static IP and the other security stuff, I should just leave well enough alone.
Maybe add the switch at some point in the future if I decide to use the X32 in a live situation.
Again...huge thanks for all the input, this was making me nuts thinking I was doing something totally wrong. I'm really glad someone started this thread.
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Not desiring to hijack this to a "fix my X problem" thread, so apologies are in order.
But since the X forum is so horribly unfriendly, this is really helping a few of us out that have both mixers
I don't want to go to the Extreme since it has no headphone out jack (to stream music) so if I get a Ethernet switch how
does it wire to the A -Express and the x32?
Since my cheapo Cisco seems to work well and its only the 2.4 version maybe I'm
better off to forsake the music option and just buy a more current dual band router that the X will be recognize.
All you have to do is connect an Ethernet cable from the Airport Express to the switch and another cable from the X32 to the switch. The switches allow multiple devices to share an Internet connection and talk to each other..
Cheers
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That sounds exactly like a Ethernet multi port adaptor or expander. Is the switch any different ?
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That sounds exactly like a Ethernet multi port adaptor or expander. Is the switch any different ?
Same thing. Cheers.
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There is a network cable and a network crossover cable. If you are hooking up straight to the WiFi router, you might be using the wrong cable. Most people don't have crossover cables in their homes. (Or tool boxes. I have one and I have a need for it.) you can use a crossover cable to connect two computers directly to each other. (No hub.) Most places do carry both, but the crossover cables will be in very small quantities and hopefully separated from the normal network cables. This might be what you need to remove the hub from your mixing stack.
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There is a network cable and a network crossover cable. If you are hooking up straight to the WiFi router, you might be using the wrong cable. Most people don't have crossover cables in their homes. (Or tool boxes. I have one and I have a need for it.) you can use a crossover cable to connect two computers directly to each other. (No hub.) Most places do carry both, but the crossover cables will be in very small quantities and hopefully separated from the normal network cables. This might be what you need to remove the hub from your mixing stack.
Hi Wynn, I doubt whether this is the problem as he does say that his cheap router works ok.
Cheers
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Most hubs/switches/routers/etc are self sensing and are happy with either a straight or crossover cable. The only hub I have that isn't is over 20 years old.
I certainly use a straight cables for my DL and both X32s without problems.
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I'll giving the Ethernet switch a try. Found one on eBay for $ 6.00 new and had eBay bucks so it was essentially free. Have plenty of cables thanks to our IT guy at work redoing our office network system there is a box of leftover cables.
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I'll giving the Ethernet switch a try. Found one on eBay for $ 6.00 new and had eBay bucks so it was essentially free. Have plenty of cables thanks to our IT guy at work redoing our office network system there is a box of leftover cables.
Hopefully that will work. It certainly did for me. I hate that there is now yet another component to fail!
Cheers
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Any place where a non-DHCP hub works, A crossover network cable should be able to remove the hub and 2 network cables. A non-DHCP hub is only making two normal network cables into a single crossover cable. Now, if the hub is running DHCP too, you will need to configure that in your Airport Express. (It's part of its capabilities. Don't know if it's turned on by default.)
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Wynnd I got to get you off that Leslie. There are no such things as DHCP hubs. Hubs are a remnant of the 10 Mbs era that barely made it into the 100 Mbs era. Ethernet hubs no longer exist except on E-bay. Switches replaced them long time ago. Along with all that so did the need for crossover cables. The DL and the AE are in no need of crossovers it's done auto magically. So roll up that cable and put it in your museum. ;) Today's routers and switches are auto-sense anything less belongs with that cable. Switches with DHCP servers do exist.
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I've just plugged my Airport Express into my X32 Rack and fired up X32-Mix, instant connection and communication (and I've got home WiFi in the next room and both Airport Extremes in the same room). I didn't even change any settings from the DL1608 setup it just worked. Plugged it back into the DL and same thing, everything just works..... Happy days :).
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That's good news! Glad it worked for you.
When I was googling a solution there were reports of some working and some not working.
I tried every thing I could to get mine to work including a reset, turning off airtunes etc. I could only get it too work with a switch.
(I thought for sure it would be airtunes as that's one thing different between and express and an extreme - but no)
Cheers
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Will admit that I'm a bit old school. Was a PC/Network tech at the change of the century and met my Wife studying Computer Science in 1979. Haven't worked in the field in the last 15 years. Hubs/Switches. Look fairly similar and I do understand the differences. I suspect that nearly no one is using a Netware server today. (Was a CNA for 4.11) So things are changing and in this industry, that seems to happen every 6 months. Thanks for the update. (I get some of that from my Son who now works for Google.)
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Fluddman A couple of questions. Is your AE firmware up to date and have you tried another AE? The interposing switch provides a Ethernet packet buffer so it's possible that activity with the X32 is causing overruns. I was in Sydney this past September but my schedule left little room otherwise I'd a bought you a brew.
Cheers
P.S. I have two Opal passes send me a PM for your address and they're yours.
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Hi WK
Yeah I updated the firmware but I haven't tried another Airport Express. I did try an airport extreme though and it worked fine.
It seems to be a bit hit and miss with an airport express but a must be a certain model or firmware version. Now that I've got it working I've lost interest in pinpointing the exact problem.
It would have been good to have had a beer with you. Maybe next time. Hope you had a great trip and were made welcome down here.
Thanks for the opal cards - PM on its way.
Cheers
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I spent time on the weekend playing around with this.
When I use my backup Linksys router (which is just too big to fit in the space left in my rack case) both mixers connect without using a switch.
With the Airport Express, the DL works fine but not so the X32. So there is obviously some quirk with the Airport Express and the X32. I did notice that once connected I can bypass the switch and the connection works until I power down the mixer. But after a restart it won't connect until I put the switch back in the Ethernet circuit. (this sounds like an IP address issue?)
Any ideas what could be different about the DL and X32 in terms of networking?
Sorry for being obsessive - I think I can cope with having to use a switch but not with not understanding why!
Cheers
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Wish I knew the answer...I have the same issue !
I have 2 airport express' and neither of them work with the x32, but the
Linksys is right on the spot. I've tried resetting, manually entering the info and following all
Instructions to the letter. I pretty much gave up on the AE and figured they can both be for the
DL and I just won't have the wireless music own when I use the X.
Only good thing is at least we both know we're not crazy and doing something wrong.
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Wish I knew the answer...I have the same issue !
I have 2 airport express' and neither of them work with the x32, but the
Linksys is right on the spot. I've tried resetting, manually entering the info and following all
Instructions to the letter. I pretty much gave up on the AE and figured they can both be for the
DL and I just won't have the wireless music own when I use the X.
Only good thing is at least we both know we're not crazy and doing something wrong.
Yep, good to know I'm not the only one. I like the small size of the airport express and that it doesn't require a wall wart!
I can't help but think there is some sort of secret setting somewhere that will fix this. But it's proving elusive.
Cheers