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Unofficial Mackie User Forums => DL1608/DL806/DL32R/ProDX Mixers => Topic started by: WK154 on February 18, 2015, 12:18:26 AM
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In case it's escaped this group the rest of the world is not too happy with the last fruitcake iOS 8 so here are some rumors that may impact the DL.
http://gadgetinsiders.com/ios-9-rumors-new-os-may-focus-stability-performance-improvements-22481/
And of course some interesting observations from the mfg. sector.
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=6&ved=0CIIBEKkCMAU&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.fool.com%2Finvesting%2Fgeneral%2F2015%2F02%2F15%2Fmore-rumors-surface-that-apple-inc-will-kill-the-i.aspx&ei=ctDjVNeRHo70oATj34CADA&usg=AFQjCNG0uHXJQsbqRqgCNskgs5NJfUqE0w&sig2=HsDgQ2m_NMBccZzpsAMtXQ&bvm=bv.85970519,d.cGU&cad=rja
have fun :)
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Unfortunately if iOS9 doesn't run on the iPad2 and/or mini we're gonna have to hope that Mackie's apps will continue to support iOS8 ...
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Unfortunately if iOS9 doesn't run on the iPad2 and/or mini we're gonna have to hope that Mackie's apps will continue to support iOS8 ...
A cleanup shouldn't impact the device selection one would hope. A7 may be at EOL which would impact the mini unless they come out with Mini 4 using A8. Of course if they implement real multitasking it won't be a kleen-up but a real mess instead.
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What worries me is that the Mackie Master Fader app require iOS 7 or better but the Behringer iPad apps work fine on iOS 6 . Even worse, Mackie My Fader will require iOS 7 also (I think?) and Behringer's iPhone apps work on iOS 5! It may someday become cheaper for me to buy an XR18 rather than replace all my iOS devices with ones that are compatible with the latest MF's . I think I'm already SOL on my iPod Touch 4 - but I haven't been using it anyways as My Fader doesn't support the pans on a stereo monitor feed (yet :) ?) like Behringer does :( .
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What worries me is that the Mackie Master Fader app require iOS 7 or better but the Behringer iPad apps work fine on iOS 6 . :( .
Let us not forget that the iPad 1 running iOS5.XX & MasterFader 2.XX was what many a DL1608/806 users may have used and is still functional. If it ain`t broke ....
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In the beginning Nokia created the mobile phone (well no they didn't but I had to use a company i was familiar with LOL)
I bought and used more of these early mobile/cell phones than I've had hot dinners (yes another exaggeration)
Each phone I bought came with more features, but also with more and more buggy instabilities no matter what brand.
Frustrating things to use for anything more than simple phone calls and texts.
I was NEVER interested in anything made by apple, until my teenage daughter asked for an iPod for her birthday.
So I did some researching and finally went to a shop that I could try out the different iPods.
One of them was an iPod touch with just released iOS 2.
I was instantly hooked and bought it for myself, and another iPod for Sarah. The one she wanted.
That was quite a few years ago and that single apple purchase completely changed my view of not only Apple products but also lead to my my complete and utter disgust of any "operating system" that wasn't iOS.
I'm a simple average joe who just wants stuff to work easily without fuss and frustration.
Yes you could call me an apple fan boy but I'm ok with that simply due to personal incredibly happy experience with 5 iPhones, 4 iPads, 3 iPods, and 3 MacBooks all stemming from that original iPod touch purchase.
Yes there have been software bugs along the way. But is there any operating system in existence that has a clean record from bugs?
I'm 100% sure none of these companies like Apple or Mackie enjoy having buggy software in the end users hands. It just seems like it takes longer for some to get them sorted.
And FYI the only bug I've had across five iOS8 devices has been the very occasional one where multitasking gestures stop working.
It's fixed now with iOS 8.1.3
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I've never been much of an Apple person. My iPad Air 2 that I now own, I bought just to use with the DL32R. Of course, since I don't use it for other purposes, I haven't seen any bugs. In fact, it has worked flawlessly so far. I don't know what iOS 9 will bring, but I hope it doesn't come with a huge learning curve.
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I don't know what iOS 9 will bring, but I hope it doesn't come with a huge learning curve.
A "huge learning curve" is something I've Never had with apple. So simple my technology illiterate father can use it without any learning at all :)
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A "huge learning curve" is something I've Never had with apple. So simple my technology illiterate father can use it without any learning at all :)
That's great news. I appreciate your input.
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Was reading the ios 9.x was likely to be a clean up the bugs and make ios 8 work better upgrade. If that holds true, there won't be much difference except how well it works. That did happen with OS X Snow Leopard. Mostly a clean up. Features can frequently be over rated. That is one reason the original ipod was sooooo good. Simple, easy to use and very few features. (Did anyone really need a bottle opener built into their MP3 player? Actually, I have a flash drive with a bottle opener built in.) There might be a move on aspect to it. (One of the few things I don't like about Apple policies.)
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Everyone needs a USB drive with a bottle opener built into it. ::)
Better yet, I want mine with a wine opener. :thu:
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I never owner Apple products until our company reissued phones to all mgmt. they picked the iPhone and I actually learned it fast and enjoyed it. When I went to the DL I had no option but to spring for the ipad and found it was so nice to use for other stuff, I rarely fire up the desktop anymore.
Many iPods,pads,phones have gone through my fingers over the last few years and I can't say anything bad
about the product or support.
When I do replace the desktop, it will be with a Mac.
As far as using the iPod strictly for the DL, if you only own the 1 ,to me that is kind of a waste as there is so many things you can do with it
other than the mackie app. Expensive toy for a single function. I do have my older ipad2 which I leave locked onto the DL and I keep the iPad air for the remote since that's what I use the most.
I like the insurance in the event I walk out without my iPad at least I have the locked down one to use.
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Everyone needs a USB drive with a bottle opener built into it. ::)
Better yet, I want mine with a wine opener. :thu:
I want my USB drive with a mixer attached to it.
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As far as using the iPod strictly for the DL, if you only own the 1 ,to me that is kind of a waste as there is so many things you can do with it
other than the mackie app. Expensive toy for a single function.
Yes, I agree, but I already have an Android tablet, and have all the apps I need on that. I'm sure that, over time, I'll do more with the iPad Air. But, I figure that I spent $2K on the DL32R, and $500 on the iPad. So I got a complete mixer for $2500. That's pretty cheap consider that 5 years ago, a cheap digital mixer sold for 6 or 7,000 (I'm thinking of the Mackie TT24). And it didn't do near as much as the DL32R.
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It's refreshing to hear someone appreciate things as they are now compared with not that many years ago. Much better than the whining that it's not perfect so it's worthless. (While not perfect is to be expected from every manufacturer, the whining is just tiring.)
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I agree. I prefer wine, rather than whine.
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As far as using the iPod strictly for the DL, if you only own the 1 ,to me that is kind of a waste as there is so many things you can do with it
other than the mackie app. Expensive toy for a single function.
Yes, I agree, but I already have an Android tablet, and have all the apps I need on that. I'm sure that, over time, I'll do more with the iPad Air. But, I figure that I spent $2K on the DL32R, and $500 on the iPad. So I got a complete mixer for $2500. That's pretty cheap consider that 5 years ago, a cheap digital mixer sold for 6 or 7,000 (I'm thinking of the Mackie TT24). And it didn't do near as much as the DL32R.
Sounds like got it covered on all bases. Very cool .
Totally agree on the overall value. Even with the 1608 and iPad its a total investment of $1,500 and considering
all the outboard "free" gear you couldn't have touched it before.
I also looked at the amount of gear I sold like 4 eq's, a mess of compressor/limiters, and a FX rack and when I looked at that in the formula the net was under $500.00 and I still kept a few odds and ends and my original board. Plus got an iPad i can use outside the mixer
On your fixed iPad you can always download a few apps like pink noise generator, decibel meters, frequency meters. Lots of free cool .
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On your fixed iPad you can always download a few apps like pink noise generator, decibel meters, frequency meters. Lots of free cool .
Excellent tip. I'll have to look into that. I'll be selling some gear as well, including a Mackie Quad EQ.
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ipads are great for motorcycle touring. They provide everything you actually need from the internet and take up very little space. (I take my ipad mini now.) What I need from the internet while traveling. E-mail, internet access and Skype . I can do all of those from my iphone, but the small screen gets to me fairly quickly, so I consider that a backup device.
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There is an app called Audio Tool, it's the only app I ever paid for. I think it was about 4.99
And I highly recommend it. It has a lot of tools like noise generators, EQ, metronome and more
Definitely worth the money.
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Audio Tools by Studio Six Digital. (Forgot what I paid for it, but it's a good app.)
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The only one I see is Audio Tool by Performance Audio. It's $1.99. It looks like what you're talking about. Did I find the right one?
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I see both Audio Tool and Audio Tools in the app store. Different programs. Didn't think Audio Tools was $2. Think it might have been $20 with in app purchases available. (There are a lot of sub-programs that won't work without the correct external device.) Casually looking at both, Audio Tools is more of a professional styled tool. Maybe for normal things, there isn't much difference, but Audio Tool has a Steam Punk appearance to it. (Not that that is a problem.)
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Yeah, there's a big price difference between Audio Tool ($2) and Audio Tools ($20). I don't mind spending 10x the money for 10x the value. But is there really that big a difference?
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Yeah, there's a big price difference between Audio Tool ($2) and Audio Tools ($20). I don't mind spending 10x the money for 10x the value. But is there really that big a difference?
Yes and a big difference in what you use it for. Just read what tools they both have and then decide. Best $20 I spend on an app for pro audio use but I added more options $ that I would need. If you're just doing gigs you won't have time for installation tools and I doubt your going to use SMAART.
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It's the audio tools by performance audio.
Another one that is good is called RTA Aidio, it's free and has a nice frequency and decibel meter
with a lot of nice options. Of course,they will nag you to upgrade to the pro version but
I just keep the free one since I just use it to see a few things. I also don't really believe that this one
(Or any app) is going to be totally accurate since they only rely on the little built in iPad mic.
But their fun to look at and free.
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iOS WARS: EPISODE IX A NEW HOPE
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I will admit that what I use Audio Tools for mostly is the DB meter and RTA. I don't use the RTA for setting things up, just for a casual look at the acoustics. I also own a DOD RTA that I've owned for many years. That one I've used for setting a baseline for a PA. Since I've had DriveRack PAs and PXs, it hasn't seen much use. Personally don't think most people would appreciate its usefulness, so I'll probably die still having it.
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iOS WARS: EPISODE IX A NEW HOPE
Yes that's why I believe it won't be just a reliability upgrade but their second attempt to deal with multi-window/multi-tasking . Android is eating their lunch. Apple had multi/tasking/windows in last years development release and it was pulled probably because it needed more work. The war goes on.
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I don't see it as a war. You can have cheap with Android or good with Apple. You can get infected apps with Android or tested ones with Apple. Apple does indeed have a walled garden to pick apps from, but it's so huge. Android doesn't have a walled garden for picking apps and I don't think they test the apps for any level of functionality. (Or even to verify they're virus free.) I can see most people needing about 50,000 apps to pick from. Apple's smaller choices is still over 1,000,000 apps. Lot of stuff out there that nobody needs. And as my Son pointed out, Apple apps cost more. (Usually a buck or two more than the Android versions.) I'm not afraid of spending money in the right place. I do like apps that allow a short term test before committing to it. Bought a $10 app for cueing effects and songs during the theater shows I do. It's been useful. (And it has a few kinks too.)
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I don't see it as a war. You can have cheap with Android or good with Apple. You can get infected apps with Android or tested ones with Apple. Apple does indeed have a walled garden to pick apps from, but it's so huge. Android doesn't have a walled garden for picking apps and I don't think they test the apps for any level of functionality. (Or even to verify they're virus free.) I can see most people needing about 50,000 apps to pick from. Apple's smaller choices is still over 1,000,000 apps. Lot of stuff out there that nobody needs. And as my Son pointed out, Apple apps cost more. (Usually a buck or two more than the Android versions.) I'm not afraid of spending money in the right place. I do like apps that allow a short term test before committing to it. Bought a $10 app for cueing effects and songs during the theater shows I do. It's been useful. (And it has a few kinks too.)
Would you prefer it to be called competition so as not to offend your sensibilities ? You need to get your head out of the sand. The App builders are for a large part providing both iPad and Android apps and some even PC and Mac versions. To label Android cheap and infected and Apple good and by your measure the only place to spend your money is plain naive. I for one am tired of seeing fan-boy rhetoric. Let me do your math for you.
Non-fanboy opinions = whining
Facts and reality = negativity
Fan-boy rhetoric = I can feel good about Mackie now.
That's tiring so get of your soapbox and tell us something interesting that will make this mixer's use better or avoid it's pitfalls.
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Uh, I sort of meant it as a comparison to Star Wars, for us that remember the original Star Wars, and iOS 9 will be the new hope. No derogatory insinuation was intended at all. Positive spin. iOS 9 is the answer to cleaning up iOS 8.X, just like Wynnd stated and I quote “Was reading that iOS 9.x was likely to be a clean up the bugs and make iOS 8 work better upgrade” end quote. “HOPE”
I think I just started Cacophony Forums first Star Wars. Remember Han shot first! ;) Should’ve stayed in bed today, I think. :facepalm:
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OK, everyone, lower your light sabres and no one gets hurt. :lol:
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OK, everyone, lower your light sabres and no one gets hurt. :lol:
:lol: :lol: :lol:
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I really liked the "New Hope" reference. (Though I thought that was Chapter IV in the Star Wars saga.) I realize that anything an ipad can do, an Android tablet can do to and vise versa. Apple does provide a layer of protection that I don't see from the Android app store. (Hope I'm wrong about that.) My Wife's Android phone was only 2 months older than my iphone 4S. It had two battery replacements and the 4S was still on the original battery. We're both fairly high end users who met studying Computer Science in 1979. It's been a geek household the whole time we've been together. I was a PC/Network tech with a CNA and A+ certification. And I hated having to use that Android phone. Seemed like everything was hard to find. And boy was She pissed when it upgraded OS and everything had moved. (Never seen an ios update move any apps.) She wasn't hesitant about using my iphone. I ran from her phone. (That doesn't really prove anything except I found that phone to be a pain. We had previously both had Palm phones.) While her Android started rebooting with every phone call, my iphone 4S continues to work just fine, but She needed an upgrade. So we got her an iphone 6+ and I got an iphone 6. (Will be keeping the 4S for My Fader and the DL1608. Might actually change out the battery next year.) That's my sad tale.
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Ahh, yes, the good Palm phone. I had a Palm Treo, and loved it. I used that phone for over 5 years, without any issues. I miss that phone.
I have an android phone, and I agree that the quality can be all over the map. I had a Motorola android for several years, and it sucked. I now have a Samsung Galaxy S5, and I love it.
BTW, what do you call the security guards who work outside a Samsung store? Guardians of the Galaxy. :lol:
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BTW, what do you call the security guards who work outside a Samsung store? Guardians of the Galaxy. :lol:
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Just because I threw something up that may impact your DL doesn't mean that I agree with the article and their opinion. That would be boring. I do however believe that Apple will have to meet the competitive challenge or they will loose more market share. This however may not be important to them based on past track records. So yes this fall may be quite interesting. May the Force be with you.
P.S. I did know a different Wynnd in the past. ;)
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Guardians of the Galaxy. :lol:
:lol: Michael, I nominate you for the Official Forum Jester ;)
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This however may not be important to them based on past track records.
Well lets hope Cupertino gets it right by version 10 if necessary for the iCar https://www.google.com/search?q=apple+car&rlz=1C1CHFX_enUS572US594&espv=2&biw=1600&bih=861&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=rETmVJ6nNoqryQTJ14EI&ved=0CEYQ7Ak&dpr=0.9
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This however may not be important to them based on past track records.
Well lets hope Cupertino gets it right by version 10 if necessary for the iCar https://www.google.com/search?q=apple+car&rlz=1C1CHFX_enUS572US594&espv=2&biw=1600&bih=861&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=rETmVJ6nNoqryQTJ14EI&ved=0CEYQ7Ak&dpr=0.9
I knew there was an ulterior motive for Apple to do the one year cycle for iPad's and iPhones and that was to get you prepared for the iCar :lol:
Detroit has long time ago conditioned most the rest of the world for a yearly intro to their new toys. Apple just took a page from that playbook since a phone is now almost as essential as the car. Get used to it.
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I have to say guys that ios8 has not given me any problems that I can think of just now. Of course that doesn't mean other people are as lucky. Perhaps at this stage of the phone wars, the lines have been set with only a few defectors switching sides. I've picked my side and there's nothing that I can think of that would make me buy Android. The finer technicalities of processor vs processor vs screen res has very little bearing on all but the few.
Tbh, I'm looking forward to the Apple Watch and the Wrist Fader app launch Q4 this year....
I think Apple will be ok, they might just make it through to the end of the year.
Btw, isn't all this new tech fantastic?
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I want Apple to do well. Some of my IRAs are in Apple Stock.
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I want Apple to do well. Some of my IRAs are in Apple Stock.
You don't really want an answer to that. ;D
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Imagine MasterFader or Presonus RM app scrolling on an iWatch ! :facepalm:
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Apple's been good to me. When I invested, My Wife asked me why I didn't like my IRA. She's not laughing anymore.
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Imagine MasterFader or Presonus RM app scrolling on an iWatch ! :facepalm:
Yup. Awesome. Lol.
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Just imagine an I watch that you could just tap once to mute the fx and tap twice to play the next track in the playlist.
Ok I'll get my coat.
:lol:
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when I can tap 3 times and mute my wife I will wait in line to buy one.
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You must not like your wife very much. iwatch is pretty neat. Can't say I want one. (wrist bands hurt after a fairly short time.)