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Unofficial Mackie User Forums => DL1608/DL806/DL32R/ProDX Mixers => Topic started by: Keyboard Magic on September 20, 2015, 09:05:30 PM
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NOTE: This is my personal take on this particular DL. Thought a positive spin might be nice for a change.
I haven’t used this DL1608 since the last concert at the school in June 2015 and having just said that...
I just fired up the DL to test all the gear before my concerts at the school and church dinner next week. OMG the mixer is so clean to my ears. No issues whatsoever. I’m once again blown away by the sound quality. No hiss, nothing. I am playing through my Yorkie PS12P powered cabs.
With little or no EQ tweaking in MF, everything sounds so HI-FI. I am playing the iPod Touch 5th Gen using AirPlay from the AP Express Router, audio out L&R into Ch. 15 & 16. Oh I am testing with 256 Kbps MP3 files.
I did not upgrade the iPad Air 2 to iOS 9 and MF is still at 3.2.1. I am glad that this particular mixer is still running a treat after 3 years. Not even going to try to convince the school to move to another mixer. I guess this old adage still applies:
"If it ain't broke, don't fix it." 8) :)
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I'm also very happy with the mixer and the current version of Master Fader. I went ahead on upgraded everything. Haven't tested it yet, but I don't know when my next use will occur.
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Does the 1608 have the same mic pres as the DL32R? I love the crisp, clean sund of my DL32R. It's the best sounding mixer I've ever owned.
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I think the DL32R has a slightly different version of the Onyx pre-amps to allow the remote control element, though I would expect that change has little effect on the audio path.
Likewise, still happy and still going strong after more than 3 years of ownership.
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NOTE: This is my personal take on this particular DL. Thought a positive spin might be nice for a change.
KM, just to be sure, your personal hands on experiences with any DL series mixer has been only with others available for you to utilize ?
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Just sold my 1608 to help pay for my new dl32r.... I loved the 1608! Hated to part with it as it performed so well over hundred shows. The only issue I ever had was the syncing issue and that was not horrible in comparison to what other digital mixer owners experience!
Yes, the preamps wee great. Better than my Heath and Allen console by far. Crisp and clean.
I still use one at a permanent install.
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NOTE: This is my personal take on this particular DL. Thought a positive spin might be nice for a change.
KM, just to be sure, your personal hands on experiences with any DL series mixer has been only with others available for you to utilize ?
Hi James:
I recommended this one to the school I’ve been doing audio work for 11 years now. So I pretty much have exclusive use of this mixer full time, in lieu of payments, volunteer work in other words, so it’s pretty much mine to use when I need it. No one else at the school has the chops to really run or set up a sound system. So it never gets used except by myself.
Having said that, my experience with this one has been excellent. ;)
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Mine has worked flawlessly. Recently purchased a pair of LD System Maui28mix vertical arrays. I am in hog heaven
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Just sold my 1608 to help pay for my new dl32r.... I loved the 1608! Hated to part with it as it performed so well over hundred shows. The only issue I ever had was the syncing issue and that was not horrible in comparison to what other digital mixer owners experience!
Yes, the preamps wee great. Better than my Heath and Allen console by far. Crisp and clean.
I still use one at a permanent install.
What model of "Heath & Allen" was that? ;)
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Dez xf06 :lol:
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I did try in the past to copy the entire " my music" folder from one laptop to another to sync with my pad, which had had relationships with both laptops in the past, let's just say that was one weekend of heartache that I will never attempt again,
Some guys say that the apps are just zips and they should be interchangeable, deletable and restorable, I am just not competent enough to argue,
I do know this, a bloke who created the app " one track " asked me to beta test a new version, I downloaded it off his server and placed it in a folder on the computer, and when I synced my pad, I had the old and the beta versions on my pad, so what the hell is going on, if it worked for his app, why can't behringer and mackie offer a download or just have 3 versions of the apps by date etc on the App Store?
Cheers
Kev
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Beta testers can download apps directly but, apparently, Apple App Store rules don't allow a programmer to distribute an app this way. Mackie/Behringer would probably not want to risk incurring the "Wrath Of The Fruit".
It is possible (as us Mackoids know) to have different versions in the app store simultaneously but, now the upgrade has taken place Berry will have to resubmit X32-Mix 2.2.2 as, say, X32-Mix lite or something (maybe X32-Mix 2.4.1?). Mackie did that with Master Fader Classic but it did take a few weeks and Berry may have the patch for V2.3 sorted by then.
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Cheers Chas
The world is mad, in every little part of our lives. we are all victims of control freaks it seems.
Death tax and iOS updates. There is no escape.
😄
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Cheers Chas
The world is mad, in every little part of our lives. we are all victims of control freaks it seems.
Death tax and iOS updates. There is no escape.
😄
Like Hell, fight back!!
We all know music is a universal language. Let me give you another, Dollars, Pounds, Euros, Lira's, Rubles, Yen etc. let them know your opinions I guarantee they'll listen.
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Sorry but, you can cheat death, you can fiddle your tax, but iOS updates and apples strong hold over the way we use products we paid for, well I am not so sure,
It seems like they are calling the shots, I have never wondered about it until Sam spoons brought it up, the distribution of iOS apps, even if they are free, only through apples outlet, not via an email or download from the bloke who owns and created the app. Incredible when you think about it.
Kev
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Well Kev that's an easy solution, don't own any Apple products. What you can't survive without them, think again, Millions of people have.
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Except you can't survive without Apple products if you use a Mackie DLxx.
Apple app store products are far cheaper than they would be if you bought them directly off the developers, the profit for them is in the volume of sales (or in the case of Mackie and Behringer the hardware sales they help generate).
My theory is that if it's cheap enough (like Reaper) and it works users will be happy to pay for it and less likely to pirate it. I don't use Cubase anymore for two main reasons a, I prefer Reaper, and b, I can't justify the high cost of Cubase for the amount of use I would get from it. Very few iPad apps cost so much that I have to think twice before buying them. If you backup the old app before updating you can easily go back to it, what you can't easily do (if at all) is give a copy to somebody else (which for a paid app would be depriving the developer of his cut).
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Sam I view this as a Mackie problem. What about all those FREE apps that aren't free because Apple charges the Lister and guess who pays for that service. Not so free anymore. What gives Apple the right to control distribution of that free app?
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the distribution of iOS apps, even if they are free, only through apples outlet, not via an email or download from the bloke who owns and created the app. Incredible when you think about it.
Kev
just my opinion,,,
if Apple allowed anyone to make an app and post it for sale or free, all the Apple products that use those apps would be full of viruses and contain programs that turn those devices into useless, worthless pieces of crap. MS
So now you can shoot me for my opinion
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I have to agree with Dan here, the Fruit's insistence for only supplying apps throughout the app store is sometimes frustrating but OTOH it's rare to download an app and find that it either doesn't work as expected. On the one occasion I had an app which didn't perform as I hoped Apple refunded me for the app (I did contact the developer first but he was unhelpful).
Also I've never had a virus delivered in an iOS app (those are amongst the biggest selling points for iDevices IMHO).
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the distribution of iOS apps, even if they are free, only through apples outlet, not via an email or download from the bloke who owns and created the app. Incredible when you think about it.
Kev
just my opinion,,,
if Apple allowed anyone to make an app and post it for sale or free, all the Apple products that use those apps would be full of viruses and contain programs that turn those devices into useless, worthless pieces of crap. MS
So now you can shoot me for my opinion
Sorry you'll have to live for another day. The point here is that Apple usurps the developers and users right to provide a FREE app to those who want to use it without Apples permission. It has little to do with viruses. The claim that everything else is loaded with viruses is absurd. Corporate World would collapse.
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People have been infected from new software installation CDs before. Virus's can come from some unexpected sources. Apple's approach makes it much less likely, but that alone isn't the only reason to take this approach. And guys, nobody forced you to purchase a Mackie DL mixer. You surely were already aware of the requirement to have at least one ipad and that there has never been an android version of the software. So, I'd say, could you either sell your DL, accept your fate or at least quit whining? It's getting to me and probably others too.
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Sure has deviated just a wee bit from my OP. It is the nature of this forum however and does generate some interesting conversations, whether on topic or not. It’s all good! 8)
I however never go off topic. :P ;)
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Sure has deviated just a wee bit from my OP. It is the nature of this forum however and does generate some interesting conversations, whether on topic or not. It’s all good! 8)
I however never go off topic. :P ;)
Here here!
I just pulled out my DL1608 for two shows, NYE and a little festival on Saturday. First was low-paying (only wanted to pay me for my time, but site-review convinced me to haul out a system) second was volunteer (benefit for music in the schools, honoring two dear friends who left us), so neither warranted dragging out a Soundcraft console.
Both shows went wonderfully, I REALLY like the RTA in the update, that helped spot the random ringing that came up in the mini-festival (really an open-mic for 6 hours, each act got two or three songs)!
The on-mixer recording from NYE sounds way better than I expected... still had to normalize it first to be useful, and had a couple of those random clicks (I zoomed in on them in Logic, just a single square wave peak - not hard to remove) - but sounds great, looking forward to cutting it up & sending it to the band!
My only complaint is the software is sluggish on my gen-3 iPad, I left that connected for recording and used the newer Mini and my iPhone for mixing. I'm sure it's smooth-sailing on an iPad Pro, might have to get the company to buy me one for that purpose ;)
In short: I'm still happy with this little console for the little grab & go shows whenever they come up, and I keep one in the van at bigger shows as our backup if there's ever an issue with the Si consoles!
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Well Kev that's an easy solution, don't own any Apple products. What you can't survive without them, think again, Millions of people have.
Hi William,
I am afraid that during a live gig, while I am on stage singing and playing the guitar and mixing , I will always have to chose a pesky pad over a normal Windows laptop, it's a no brainer,
However that could all change when all the apps look and behave the same and I purchase a shiny touch screen Windows hybrid.
As for dans comments, I have to disagree with him, or at least suggest a compromise, people wanting torch apps games and other crap should go through Apple to maintain integrity, but a small number of bonafide companies who have mission critical apps who's use is exclusive to a single product, should be allowed to distribute them openly.
Cheers
Kev
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Well Kev that's an easy solution, don't own any Apple products. What you can't survive without them, think again, Millions of people have.
As for dans comments, I have to disagree with him, or at least suggest a compromise, people wanting torch apps games and other crap should go through Apple to maintain integrity, but a small number of bonafide companies who have mission critical apps who's use is exclusive to a single product, should be allowed to distribute them openly.
Cheers
With iOS 9, it is possible and supported to "side load" apps, bypassing iTunes and the App Store. You do still need a Mac to do it, and XCode 7, but the functionality is there. This link describes the supported process:
http://www.idownloadblog.com/2015/10/12/how-to-sideload-apps-on-iphone-ipad-ios-9/
This is how movie theaters, for example, load the Fandango ticket validation app on the iPhones used by ticket takers. Many "enterprise" users of iPads and iPhones use the process for their custom applications as well.
Cheers!
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Interesting but after reading the process it's quite apparent that the paranoids still want to be in control. Hardly what I would call a useful process but a beginning. Wonder what corp. put the screws to them to provide this?
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Thanks guys
But while control apps are all over the place, I do not want to purchase any more gear, or spend time learning non musical related skills right now,
I just wonder how long it will be before X factor and the voice stipulate that artists can sing dance look pretty and manage small and large wired wireless networks etc.
:)
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Soon Kev, soon or as the Mfg.'s say in a future release, so keep in touch. I was looking at Mackie's Reach, no it's not a toothbrush, and thought about you. Perfect for the solo artist FX foot-pedal optional but maybe better effects all 16 of them. ;)
Cheers
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If anyone is really interested in the Mackie Reach specs (kinda, maybe?)here's the link to the PDF Spec Sheet.
http://mackie.com/sites/default/files/PRODUCT%20RESOURCES/SPECS/Spec_Sheets/Reach_SS.pdf
Not too bad in the power dept. of 360 Watts RMS. Might be good for small to medium size venues? And light at about 31 pounds.
8)
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Yeah KM and if you're looking for that Boom Boom the link out will give you that.
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That's a great idea, I've been considering for years :facepalm: the built in side fills that is. I doubt 50 watts is going to be much use for any but the smallest gigs though (as indeed 126dB is barely enough for FOH, assuming the calculated figure is just for the FOH speakers and not for the whole lot......). Sadly they're too expensive for my duo gigs so I'll just have to stick with what I have... and definitely not big enough for anything where wifi would be more than a minor convenience (you still need power after all).
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Soon Kev, soon or as the Mfg.'s say in a future release, so keep in touch. I was looking at Mackie's Reach, no it's not a toothbrush, and thought about you. Perfect for the solo artist FX foot-pedal optional but maybe better effects all 16 of them. ;)
Cheers
Cheers William and Braden, I do like to travel light, but I don't think I want to go that light, unless a whole series of phone box gigs pops up,
Thanks
Kev
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Yeah KM and if you're looking for that Boom Boom the link out will give you that.
Nice that there’s a link out for a sub if needed. I’ll stick with my back breaking (65 lbs. each) and Hi-Fi sounding Yorkville PS12P’s for now. Same retail price here ($1200.00 rounded up), but more horsepower (Yorkville) and bottom end without a sub.
Of course any comparison I can make is very speculative until both speakers are compared side by side. The Reach Cabs do look cool though. :mrgreen: