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Unofficial Mackie User Forums => DL1608/DL806/DL32R/ProDX Mixers => Topic started by: Keyboard Magic on May 12, 2015, 12:21:56 AM
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Since the forum has been experiencing a little dry spell....
Since Beno can’t reveal what’s going to be part of future updates to MF 3.X or 4 and it’s been suggested that we look to the “DL Feature Requests Site” for answers… Would anyone like to speculate what suggestions actually might just see their way into Master Fader in the near future from that website?
I'll go first:
840 Votes: A much better reverb please. Current one is almost unusable.
299 Votes: Master Fader Software for Mac OS X and Windows.
249 Votes: Allow the remote control of the recording option and music playback on the docked iPad from a wireless connection iPad.
Please chime in if you would like to? ;)
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Since the forum has been experiencing a little dry spell....Please chime in if you would like to? ;)
Well, that didn't seem to get anyone's attention... ;)
I don't know where it fell on the list, but I'd like to see:
- My Fader for Android phones.
- The ability to "send" one effect into the other -- specifically, delay to reverb.
And I'll second being able to control record and playback of the docked device from the remote device(s).
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Since the forum has been experiencing a little dry spell....Please chime in if you would like to? ;)
Well, that didn't seem to get anyone's attention... ;)
I don't know where it fell on the list, but I'd like to see:
- My Fader for Android phones.
- The ability to "send" one effect into the other -- specifically, delay to reverb.
And I'll second being able to control record and playback of the docked device from the remote device(s).
It sure seems like that. Oh well! But thanks for your input just the same! Good picks too. :thu:
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and here I thought I was the only one that sends the delay output to reverb :)
YES! but only if the reverb is replaced with something that I would actually want someone to hear.
I would never use the ingternal reverb... IT IS THAT HORRIBLE!
Since I use an external reverb I can send delay to it.
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and here I thought I was the only one that sends the delay output to reverb :)
YES! but only if the reverb is replaced with something that I would actually want to be heard.
I would never use the ingternall reverb... IT IS THAT HORRIBLE!
Since I use an external reverb I can send delay to it.
Yeah, I always thought it sounded a little strange when something that had reverb and delay on it, that the delayed sound returned dry while the source had reverb on it, so I stopped using the dedicated returns, and ran the effects back in on a channel (when I had enough available) so I could bleed some delay into the reverb and match everything up.
I've spent a fair amount of time working with the internal reverb, and have come up with a couple presets that are very good for specific needs -- one of these days, I'll get them in a position to share. The one that I've spent the most time with is for a local classic rock cover band with a female vocalist that channels Grace Slick. We've got her sound nailed for 'White Rabbit' and 'Somebody to Love.' I've also been working on one that's pretty nice for acoustic guitars.
I'll agree that the "out-of-the-box" presets aren't great, but as I mentioned some time ago, it's as good as some of the early low-cost digital reverbs I worked with years ago (think ART DR1 and the original Alesis MIDIVerb). Maybe my experience with those old, simple units, along with some of the other junk I've had to live with over the years, gives me an advantage in getting the Mackie to sound decent.
Cheers!
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Maybe my experience with those old, simple units, along with some of the other junk I've had to live with over the years, gives me an advantage in getting the Mackie to sound decent.
Cheers!
I hear ya,
my experience has been live concerts and a ton of studio engineering, I bought a Lexicon Model 200 Digital Reverberator ($4,800.00) back in the early eighties and it sounds wonderful and in fact,,,, it still does.
(http://www.dankury.com/miscuploads/Lexicon_200.jpg)
The cheaper reverbs' tails have always sounded aweful, but then again, I was comparing it to what I know. Even the cheaper Lexicon PCM 70 and 80 reverb stunk compared to the 200.. not today's Lexicon 200. It is crappy too.
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I'm curious to know if the DL might not have the DSP horsepower to handle better verbs. Out of all the processing on digital desks, good reverbs use up the most DSP. I know Mackie said they have "plenty of room to grow the DL feature set." But do they really? I know on the Avid Venue consoles where you can monitor DSP resources, a few good verbs can chew up DSP resources pretty quickly. You'd figure by now with all the complaints on how poor the FX are that they would have done something about it. Maybe they just can't.
Greg
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Greg, you are correct as usual,
good reverbs consume gobs of resources, resources I am pretty confident that the DL mixers just don't have.
My Allen & Heath Qu series console has nice sounding reverb but still not as good as (really good) external Lexicon units.
I am completey spoiled by Altiverb on my Mac these days. :)
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How soon we forget. The DL1608 has way more horsepower than is presently used and verified by their EU top dog and former techie (25% usage). All this was covered here quite some time ago. The logic is simple the X32 handling 40 channels is quite able to handle what your looking for with a less capable DSP/ARM than what is in the DL series. The newer X-Air is using the same DSP as the DL. It boils down to not having the resources internally and not wanting to spend their profits if they don't have to. Can you say greed? Say it Loud.
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Better reverbs fourth on the User Voice hit list.
No change there might be profit (they are a business, how much does it cost?) or lack of resources.
Or both.
Or neither.
Maybe they're quite entitled to think that they've a perfectly saleable item as is.
Some people hate the reverb, some people use it.
It's not a show stopper either way? Not for me anyway.
The people here on the forums may well be the noisy minority, who knows?
Now with some real competition there may be a few choice upgrades in reserve for a re-launch?
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I am completey spoiled by Altiverb on my Mac these days. :)
Have you tried it on the iPad, patched into the DL1608?
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I am completey spoiled by Altiverb on my Mac these days. :)
Have you tried it on the iPad, patched into the DL1608?
I don't think an iPad has enough umph to power Altiverb, even if it did, how would the Altiverb plugin be hosted?
If I absolutley had to have Altiverb for a live gig, I would bring my Mac laptop which has Digital Performer, and I would use sends and returns to the DL32R so I could have Altiverb live.
I would be in Heaven :)
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For iPad it is Altispace and it works like a charm , i run it from my iPhone 5 (in flightmode) via USB an a camera connector.
On the DL1608 i run it on my old iPhone 4 directly in the 30pin on the desk, saves me lugging one of my hardware reverbs
And it has convolutions of many of the great machines good presets
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Hi guys
Maybe the answer to this issue of fx and horsepower is a spare engine and fx processor built in to a usb stick that you can plug in to the USB port on the mixer?
Kev :)
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I don't think an iPad has enough umph to power Altiverb, even if it did, how would the Altiverb plugin be hosted?
http://cacophony.aspinock.com/index.php?topic=810.0
https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/altispace-convolution-reverb/id870386229
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I don't think an iPad has enough umph to power Altiverb, even if it did, how would the Altiverb plugin be hosted?
http://cacophony.aspinock.com/index.php?topic=810.0
https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/altispace-convolution-reverb/id870386229
That looks like a pretty decent reverb for $7.00. Wow! :thu:
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As a guy who mixes his band from the stage while also playing guitar I'd like to have a persistent tap tempo button again. It was there in a previous release but now it's buried in a sub menu that locks out everything else while it's open.
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As a guy who mixes his band from the stage while also playing guitar I'd like to have a persistent tap tempo button again. It was there in a previous release but now it's buried in a sub menu that locks out everything else while it's open.
I guess with all the changes they made to the main screen, something had to give, unfortunately, and Tap Tempo wasn’t a major priority. Let’s hope Mackie is taking note for an update or MF 4. If you haven’t already, the Mackie Feature Request Page might be a good idea. There’s already a lot on Tap Tempo there now. It couldn’t hurt. :)
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An 'always on top' option maybe for those that use it lots.
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I still insist that you need a top level FX mute, especially when trying to run sound while playing. And support for a (bluetooth ?) pedal for that as well. The MixWiz has this functionality - dunno why Mackie chose to go backwards on that :( .
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uh,,, Altispace is NOT Altiverb by Audio Ease
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uh,,, Altispace is NOT Altiverb by Audio Ease
Not $600 either :) .
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Altiverb is worth Waaaay more than $600.00
it also allows the user to create their own Impulse Responses.
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Altiverb is worth Waaaay more than $600.00
it also allows the user to create their own Impulse Responses.
I'm pretty sure there are free ways to create IR's - but there are certainly a lot of IR's available on the web for free. Not too many of us have need to create new ones...
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you are correct, there are tons of free IRs available but, typically that is what they're worth.
Making really good impulse responses requires exceptionally great gear and microphones, something most people don't have.
I do a lot of recording and it is nice to sample the room and get back to the studio with impulse responses of the same exact place where the concert or recording session took place.
I even made IRs of my old beloved Lexicon reverb so that if and when it goes poop, I will still have that awesome reverb at my disposal.
Altiverb is not for everyone, and if you do not do critical recording of string quartets, symphony orchestras, vocal groups, choirs and choruses, any decent reverb will sound good enough.
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^ All very cool - but I suspect you're the only one here doing recordings at that level :eek: :mrgreen:.
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You can load your own ir files into altispace i havn't tried it yet but it looks doable , but the ir's supplied sound great with most of the classics covered
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In response to the OP, every day that passes without the three issues having been implemented and/or improved upon IMHO only widens the sales gulf and contributes to the forum dry spell, evidenced with the new rumblings and offerings from the other Digital Audio Performance Mixer Gods, as well as the likes of Kev`s and WK`s attention focused on their new B-Toy`s.
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A new APP in town : https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/tf-stagemix-us/id990714037?mt=8
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Looks like an update of the previous Yamaha app for the LS9 that have been around for quite a while.
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Looks like an update of the previous Yamaha app for the LS9 that have been around for quite a while.
It's the app for Yamaha's new TF series of mixers. They sort of replace the LS9 and the 01V96, while leaning hard toward Behringer's price point.
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Greg, you are correct as usual,
good reverbs consume gobs of resources, resources I am pretty confident that the DL mixers just don't have.
My Allen & Heath Qu series console has nice sounding reverb but still not as good as (really good) external Lexicon units.
Care to guess what gobs of resources your beloved Lex 200 had? That was the 1980s.
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Care to guess what gobs of resources your beloved Lex 200 had? That was the 1980s.
who knows what the consumption of resources the Lexicon uses, I do know that it has two, full sized circuit boards and they are full of ICs.
If it could be compared to Altiverb, the Lexicon 200 would be insignificant because the Lexicon does not use Impulse Response technology, which is pretty
demanding on RAM and processor useage, but by today's computer specs, Altiverb is no problem for even laptops.
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who knows what the consumption of resources the Lexicon uses, I do know that it has two, full sized circuit boards and they are full of ICs.
An Apple Lightning cable probably has more processing power than that Lexicon reverb. 35 years is rather a long time in computing history.
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who knows what the consumption of resources the Lexicon uses, I do know that it has two, full sized circuit boards and they are full of ICs.
An Apple Lightning cable probably has more processing power than that Lexicon reverb. 35 years is rather a long time in computing history.
you could be on to something :)
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20 euros for a lightning cable
It must have yet to be disclosed special functions.
:)
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20 euros for a lightning cable
It's crammed full of circuitry.
http://www.chipworks.com/en/technical-competitive-analysis/resources/blog/inside-the-apple-lightning-cable/
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20 euros for a lightning cable
It's crammed full of circuitry.
http://www.chipworks.com/en/technical-competitive-analysis/resources/blog/inside-the-apple-lightning-cable/
Nice. Amazing how much can be crammed into a cable no less. Cool. It is a Smart Cable for sure. I can see the justification for the $25.00 Canadian price tag on it. 8)
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Funny
But my 3 euro cable won't charge the pad past 80 percent, and the pad won't work at 1 to 3 % whilst charging on this cable,
You get what you pay for I guess,