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Unofficial Mackie User Forums => DL1608/DL806/DL32R/ProDX Mixers => Topic started by: Bennoach on December 09, 2015, 06:40:43 PM
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I can't find docs on the new master fader 4.0
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Master Fader 4.0 is now available in the App Store.
https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/mackie-master-fader-4/id1051811529?mt=8
Please ensure you are running the latest version of Master Fader 3.2.3 and do a full backup of Master Fader 3 before upgrading.
Master Fader 4.0 can be installed alongside Master Fader 3. It is a separate app in the App Store so you will need to search for and download it. It will NOT autoupdate from Master Fader 3. If you don't know the version you are currently using, go to Tools > Help on Master Fader. The version is listed near the top of the screen. Having it be a separate app lets you upgrade to 4.0 at your convenience and lets you have both versions on your iPad simultaneously.
A popover will appear the first time you run V4.0 asking if you want to import shows and presets from Master Fader 3. You must have the latest version of Master Fader 3.2.3 for this to work.
The mixer firmware will also need to be updated to use Master Fader 4. This will happen the next time Master Fader is connected to a DL Series mixer. Simply follow the on-screen instructions. Please ensure that there is enough time before the next gig.
Master Fader 4.0 works with all supported iOS devices. There is no longer a separate My Fader app for iPhone and iPod touch. Simply download and install Master Fader 4.0 on your iPhone or iPod Touch and you will see the familiar UI.
Master Fader 4.0 adds a tone of highly requested user features including:
1. RTA on output mixes
2. Copy/Paste Inputs, Outputs and Mixes
3. Recording and Playback View for DL1608/DL806
4. Quick Assign for names, icons and colors
5. Scalable UI with support for iPad Pro, Split View and Portrait Orientation
6. Enhanced Access Limiting that hides limited controls
7. Enhanced Files Sharing using system share sheets
8. Oscillator on DL32R
9. Enhanced Devices View
10. Enhanced iPhone/iPod Touch UI
And much more...
Please see the Release Notes and What's New video for additional information:
http://mackie.com/sites/default/files/PRODUCT%20RESOURCES/SOFTWARE-FIRMWARE/App_Release_Notes/V4_0_Master_Fader_Release_Notes.pdf
https://youtu.be/2JP2oYi5hQU
If you run into bugs, please report them to me directly at DL1608.Feedback@mackie.com. And tech support is always here to help with installation and setup questions:
http://mackie.com/support-contact
We hope you enjoy Master Fader 4. Thanks.
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Awesome new features, Ben. Thanks. I can't wait to try it out.
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Hi Beno,
THANKS!!
Will try it out this weekend.
For folks wanting to use the RTA on a single channel, I believe you can assign a channel to an un-used aux or group and then look at that group.
Then un-assign that channel, assign another and look at that one, etc.
Good health, Weogo
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Sweet :)
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Nice, I just got the emails that requests I supported were fulfilled (items 1 & 3) - as a software developer I appreciate that you kept track of these three year old requests & fulfilled them!
I'll watch the video later, but my company has two DL1608's we use for smaller gigs all the time, this looks like a great update. Thanks Ben!
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Thanks, Beno.
Master Fader gets better and better.
RTA 👍 made my day.
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Is there any reason why I can't see it in the App Store on my iPad Air 2?
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So cool to see the iPad Pro support - woohoo!
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Nice timely release to coincide with iOS 9.2 dropping today (?). 8) Works very well on all my iToys, so far, including the ole iPad 2. Even better that you can install it along side MF 3.X. Even the icon was changed too. AND.. One app for all iOS devices. Tried it on the iPhone 5C and iPod Touch 5th. Not too shabby.
Not going to run 4 and the subsequent firmware update just yet until after all the upcoming concerts for the school this week and next. But after that? Damn the torpedoes and full speed ahead as it were! :mrgreen:
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WOW!! just saw the video and looking forward to have a crack at. Thanks to Mackoid Central and Santa`s Elves. Ho, Ho, Ho
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What a nice Christmas gift!!! Thanks Beno
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Spent some time looking at MF 4. Very nice additions. Setup time looks like it will be dropped quite a bit. (I missed being able to setup one channel and propagate it across. It's not perfect, but I'm very happy with it's functionality.) Thanks to the programming team. Looks great!
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Thanks Beno, some really thoughtful improvements in there as well as the obvious RTA. I've been using one of your Quad eq rack units for years that has this feature and it's invaluable. Along with the Quickassign feature a lot of setup time is going to be saved. Shame about no reverb update though, this is going to loose you a lot of sales... Sorry, I may have mentioned this before once or twice but you're further and further behind your rivals on this one.
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Beno, good morning.
Congratulations on the new Master Fader 4
yesterday installed MF4 I have done several tests on my DL1608, the RTA at the outlets was great, unfortunately still felt really miss the RTA in the input, it would be very good for the technicians have the option to connect the RTA to make the mix a channel.
I believe that to save connection features and processing of the input DL1608 RTA could be using the microphone itself ipad which is excellent, with this processing would be entirely in software.
another point is the PINK Noise would not be possible terms the DL1608? this is one of the main functions of a mix, the system would be perfect alignment with the RTA + Pink noise also for this console.
I would suggest the option to click appears and disappears clicks, example the EQ Main, vc clicks and opens the EQ, and click again and it closes. The same would input channels makes this operation fast.
A kind of home button would be great.
The component test system will be installed also for the DL1608 version?
The software seems much speed between screens this is great.
The route options perfect.
The Copy MIX system is perfect. with this can spare the time mixing absurdly. Happy Birthday.
QuickAssing was excellent perfect very fast.
Static IP address will resolve many outstanding issues.
Recording and playback excellent very good.
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Simply Noise is a White, Pink, Brown noise generator. Might provide the pink noise you want for setting up a sound system. Don't know, but I'll try it out this Saturday before a sound gig. (App costs $1.) Will get back to you guys. Thanks again to the programming team. MF 4 looks good.
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Kudos to the development team. Nice changes. Like the recording functionality on the DL1608. Now you can play back your recordings...HUGE! In regards to the RTA, I've used the Behringer ECM 8000 for dialing a room. Will have to play around with that with a noise generator. As Wynn commented on, I have some pre-generated clips (i.e. Pink, White, etc.), that I can play though the house with the ECM 8000. One last thing that I really like is the export feature. In my IT company, we brand a product (GreenLight FileSync, which is Dropbox on steroids). I was able to record and upload via the SyncedTool app on the iPad and viola, recordings are backed up. Later this evening I want to import via the same method, bringing down the "noise generated" sound bites so I can test the RTA. So far, so good :thu:
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Just practicing with Mf 4 imported settings from 3 when I go to channel 1 look at the EQ settings I could on MF 3 swipe left to channel 2 ,the EQ settings change to channel 2 but at the top still says channel one is this how it should be
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well I watched the video, loaded the app on 1 of my iPad and played a bit with it and I think it be a fun improvement. some nice enhancements to the program and for that I thank the mackie wackies.
while I really wanted to see some fx upgrades I will patiently wait for those. here is my question...
since I rarely use an RTA other than the one automatic one on my Drive Rack I'm open to any suggestions as to how best to use this new feature. if I hear feadback but I'm not looking at the RTA right then, I won't see the frequency that's spiking. I have used the spectrograph type that at least there is a few seconds the spike stays visible on the screen.
Should I try to level the room out, and is this new RTA and where is it "hearing " the feedback from since there is no mike connected to the unit reading the room sound
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Wow, WOW
We used a dl1608 until we out grew it. Bought the DL32R. Love it. Just works. No learning curve.
These new features really will be useful for us.
Ben tell everyone thanks from Enos Road Seymour Indiana. (yea that small town)
--john
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Thanks all. Glad you all like it. We're excited to deliver these improvements and we'll continue to make it better.
when I go to channel 1 look at the EQ settings I could on MF 3 swipe left to channel 2 ,the EQ settings change to channel 2 but at the top still says channel one is this how it should be
That's a bug. Thanks. But in practice that shouldn't cause issues unless you want to type in the new value imediately. Grabbing a control on the new channel should work fine.
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Rdmitch, you can use it when dialing in the monitors pre-gig by upping the level until you cause the start of feedback and then use the RTA to identify it and dial it out with the GEQ or PEQ. Then you should be able to get some extra headroom on the monitors over a flat setting. Agreed that when it is mid-performance it might be a bit harder to use, but the same principle applies and you can help it to identify where the problem is.
As someone else pointed out, shame you can't have it under each channel PEQ as well, as that is a super tool for tuning the EQ to the instrument / singer and one of the things I really like with the X32 Compact, though their App doesn't have it (Yamaha's does).
Its a really simple thing, but the change of font and a few of the icons makes it much sharper and easier to read on an iPad2 screen (not retina), plus its just that bit classier. Thanks BenO
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I loaded 4.0 on my iPad air, and imported my shows from 3.x. However, when I try to load a show, nothing happens. Do I have to connect to the mixer before I can load a show in 4.0?
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Should not have to connect to mixer to import.
I did the upgrade on an iPad gen3 and all went well.
Did not try try it on the air2 yet since I have shows this weekend and prefer to wait until
After the weekend
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I loaded 4.0 on my iPad air, and imported my shows from 3.x. However, when I try to load a show, nothing happens. Do I have to connect to the mixer before I can load a show in 4.0?
Worked okay on my Air 2 without connecting....
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I loaded 4.0 on my iPad air, and imported my shows from 3.x. However, when I try to load a show, nothing happens. Do I have to connect to the mixer before I can load a show in 4.0?
Don't quote me, but where you go to load your shows, at the top there's Current Show and Offline Shows. Open Offline
and you should see all your imported shows. You can load them from there. Once loaded, they are now under the Current Show heading.
It happened to me and I was panicked that my shows didn't transfer, but they were there under Offline. Hope they're their for you?
:)
PS: Didn't have to connect it to the DL at all! 8)
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Yes, I can see the shows under Offline shows. They're all there. But when I tap on one, the Load option is in light red, and tapping it does nothing.
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Got me stumped on that one. :-[ They did load for me. Sorry, not much help. :facepalm: Maybe someone else can chime in on this? Ben?
Ah, that new software. ;)
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Yes, I can see the shows under Offline shows. They're all there. But when I tap on one, the Load option is in light red, and tapping it does nothing.
The preset are model sensitive , so you have to selct 1608 to load presets for 1608 and so on
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You need to select a device (click the gear, Devices). If your DL is not on, you can select "Work Offline/Demo."
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Yup. That was it. The app defaults to the DL1608 Demo mode. Once I switched it to the DL32R Demo mode, I was able to load my shows. :facepalm:
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I loaded 4.0 on my iPad air, and imported my shows from 3.x. However, when I try to load a show, nothing happens. Do I have to connect to the mixer before I can load a show in 4.0?
You likely have the wrong device selected. The show and snapshots are unique for DL1608 and DL32R. So make sure the right device is selected matching the show.
Also loading a show does not change the mixers current state. You need to recall a snapshot from that show.
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So have just got around to download and have a crack at demo mode, and wish to offer a few comments after initial impressions.
Scrolling in mixer overview is significantly hampered on an iPad Mini 1. Newer, later generation Fruitware should address this.
I do believe the intended quick assign choice was "Conga", and not " Congo". The latter, a republic located on the African continent. The former, a percussive instrument with ancestral origins from the African continent. Minor work around.
Dare I say, as I duck and cover, that there would appear to be no difference with the effects. Can only hope.
Gratis! Always a bonus.
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I've just been playing with MF4 at home but now looking forward to a busy weekend of both playing and tech-ing.
MF4 seems to work fine on both my iPad3s, there is a little more delay on fader response but certainly nothing that'll disrupt the flow.
Whoever is responsible for the switching from VCA master to channels and back, please take a bow and this manly hug (u) as this will make a significant difference to what's possible. Very, very elegant.
Friday is a low pressure tech-ing Irish Country (regular) gig during which I can have a fiddle about with new possibilities, Saturday I'm playing support and tech-ing the main Irish trad band, Sunday I have six guitar bands that I'm not familiar with so that'll be the proper test.
I'll try to report back.
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So do you reckon I should update my iPads (2 & 3) Sean? I'm using MF Classic (or 2.1) at the moment and resisted V3, I didn't really need the extra bells and whistles and the sluggishness of the display put me off, not looked at it since March :)
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I'm really glad that Mackie decided to make this a totally separate app, rather than an upgrade.
Doing this allowed me to use 4.0 on my Friday corporate job and than Saturday when I had to
do a regular band job ( where I just connect to their 1608 with my iPad ), I could just open the old app and easily
be off and running with the older version.
This saved some major headaches, since these guys I mix for are very slow to do the updates.
It's amazing how many Mackie DL users don't even know the software was updated. There are quite a
few people I know that are still running the original program.
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I'm really glad that Mackie decided to make this a totally separate app, rather than an upgrade.
Thanks. We realized with 3.0 that many users needed the flexibility to upgrade on their own time so we made 4.0 a separate app. Glad it proved helpful to you.
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Thanks. We realized with 3.0 that many users needed the flexibility to upgrade on their own time so we made 4.09 a separate app. Glad it proved helpful to you.
4.09? Has there been a fix released? I have 4.02, and I don't see an upgrade in the App Store.
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Nope. Typo. Fixed above.
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Mr Spoons :-), I'm running an iPad2 and MF4 seems to work pretty well on it. If you still don't need the bells and whistles then you may stay put, however, its worth downloading a copy to play with.
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Thanks, I've done that. I'll probably hold off getting fully into MF4 until I have used my X32 Rack for a few gigs, it will be nice to have the simplicity and super small footprint of the DL with a few extra features as I intend to continue using it on my small bar gigs and as a backup for the foreseeable future. I'll probably migrate over to the X32 for a while until I have it nailed but I don't see the DL becoming redundant for a good while yet. It's great that Mackie have left us the option of Master Fader 3 (which I have bypassed TBH) as well as MF Classic and MF4. A truly inspired piece of planning, thanks Beno and the DL team :). Now an ability to run dual firmwares on the DL without forcing a re-install every time I changed would be the icing on the cake (MF Classic when I have a newb running FOH and MF4 for me....). Not a biggie TBH as I can do it the day before the gig though.
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Mini update:
Didn't get past Friday with v4, lots of nice ideas but the lag is back (iPad3). Not so much as would wreck the gig but too much to want to continue. The bigger deal however was that EQ (and other) presets that I saved on the day, having not been able to import my old ones, were nowhere to be found when required.
So, flipped back to v3 for the rest of the weekend and all was cool.
Mr Spoons, v3 is pretty much rock solid cor me and I know your router is identical, I'd be very surprised if you couldn't find something to like in it.
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Will maybe give it another try. I did use it on your DL at Manchester Irish Fest this year of course.
I gather the lag is worse on V4 than V3 then?
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There was a slight improvement in the lag with MF 4 on my iPad 2, but not enough in my perception. MF 4 runs very well on my Air 2. Obviously due to the faster CPU and more onboard system ram. I think in a pinch you could get by okay running MF4 on an iPad 2 or 3 though, if you had to.
I guess "the old lag issue" is still all in the eyes of the beholder. For me it's an issue. For someone else, maybe not so. 8)
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I'm running MF4 on my ipad 2 and mini-ipad. (pre-retina display.) I'm not having a problem with lag, but then I didn't have a problem before either. If I upgrade my ipad, I might feel it more, but performance wise I'm fine with it.
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Will maybe give it another try. I did use it on your DL at Manchester Irish Fest this year of course.
and very effectively too.
I gather the lag is worse on V4 than V3 then?
definitely, it was like meeting a drunk relative in a bar, low level pain in the ass but for some reason you can't just walk away.
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That analogy made perfect sense in my head earlier. Suffice it to say the lag was particularly annoying.
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I got the analogy, but did your iPad spend the rest of the evening talking to god on the great white telephone (as said relative did)?
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;D
The band fell apart, timing all over the place, singer dropped his trousers and started fighting with the audience. After the gig the iPad took to it's case for two days with a 2800mah power block.
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I finally got the chance to upgrade my DL32R to 4.0. I played with it for a while, and was unable to find any of the issues previously reported here. It worked quite well with my 2 iPad Air 2's. In fact, when I adjusted a fader on one iPad, it moved in sync on the other iPad. I like the changes. It works well for me.
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iPad Air 2's.
That's the key! Faster CPU and more onboard memory. I use an Air 2 and iPad 2, world of difference between them running MF 4. :)
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Another bug Beno!!! I thought I'd persevere with MF4 as I like a lot of the new features. Did an anti-nuclear public meeting last night. They wanted a recording... I recorded 2 hours 40 minutes but when I put it on the mac this morning it's normal up until 1H16min then disaster, the remaining 1H24mins consists of one word repeated over and over and over again and ironically that word is "continue"! Brilliant, 12gb still free so that's not the problem. I won't go on about the miserably low recording level... I'm used to that. I've done loads of recordings with earlier versions of the app, first time it's f***d up like this. Thanks Mackie, great progress. It's back to MF2 or (maybe 3) I reckon until I can afford that Qu-pac if I don't loose all my clients first.
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Strange. Sorry you lost that presentation. Can't think about what that is. I honestly think it was an iOS issue and not Master Fader as we actually don't do a whole lot with the recording. We are just triggering iOS to do it.
The recroding level is easily adjusted using the recording level sliders and/or by changing the recording source from pre fader to post fader or any other send that allows you more control.
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Thanks for the quick reply. I did push the trims to full on but as there are no recording meters I hesitate to go any further, better under recorded than distorted. The docked ipad3 is running ios 8.1.3 since I don't really want to update it any further as it's slow enough already. Could this have any bearing on the problem?
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Not sure about the iOS version.
But good point about the meters.
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Strange. Sorry you lost that presentation. Can't think about what that is. I honestly think it was an iOS issue and not Master Fader as we actually don't do a whole lot with the recording. We are just triggering iOS to do it.
The recroding level is easily adjusted using the recording level sliders and/or by changing the recording source from pre fader to post fader or any other send that allows you more control.
Sorry Beno but I've been giving this some thought and your reply just doesn't hack it. You sell your app as having the ability to record and when it fails you just blame apple. This is live sound, you can't repeat it. I loose a recording, it's lost forever (like my client). The record button lives in your app, the whole thing is your responsibility. If you can't make it work don't advertise it. It's reminiscent of the white noise problem in MF2. For a year or more you peddled a feature, the ipad channel, that could blast your clients victims with white noise with no warning. That did my reputation no good (and I only let it happen once). So now we can't rely on playback (see my post in http://cacophony.aspinock.com/index.php?topic=1146.0) or recording... Please get your act together.
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Hi Pytchley,
Bummer about losing the recording.
Are you on a DL1608 or DL32R?
My first recordings with the DL32R had issues, and it turned out to be the hard disk drive.
Am now recording on high-quality USB thumbdrives.
Back when I worked on a remote recording truck, we had every track going to a hard disk recorder.
And we recorded a two-track CD live, that was given to the performer at the end of the evening.
And we recorded a second two-track feed to a cassette deck. My old boss wanted to see tape rolling and meters bouncing.
At one event the HD recorderd died, and also the CD recorder.
We quickly dubbed the cassette to a CD for the performer, and the cassette recording was later dumped to a computer, massaged a little and was that night's performance recording, which was being aired later that month.
For anything critical, I always have a backup two-track recorder going.
Thanks and good health, Weogo
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Thanks Weogo, it's a 1608. I like to have backups for everything when I can. Didn't bother this time as it was a long way from home and unpaid so I squeezed the gear into my car... another lesson learned even at my age!
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Strange. Sorry you lost that presentation. Can't think about what that is. I honestly think it was an iOS issue and not Master Fader as we actually don't do a whole lot with the recording. We are just triggering iOS to do it.
BenO your legal disclaimer tells a different story, Mackie is using a third party software Archwave for USB recording and playback. No doubt modified by Mackie.
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It seems to have gone very quiet here.
So, still fairly content on MF3 here for the reasons specified, any danger of developments that might tempt me onto 4? I've had a play and it's got some useful additions but not enough to update an iPad for.
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It seems to have gone very quiet here.
So, still fairly content on MF3 here for the reasons specified, any danger of developments that might tempt me onto 4? I've had a play and it's got some useful additions but not enough to update an iPad for.
Maybe everyone's gone back a version. MF4's too risky for me. Shame, I'm already missing the improvements.
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Maybe they're working on a great new reverb and can't be distracted by small details - that'd be fair enough.
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I'm using MF 4 every weekend -- very happy camper here!
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I'm using MF 4 every weekend -- very happy camper here!
Do you record and use playback?
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Used record once. No problems. There are a lot of reasons I won't be going back to MF3. Biggest one is the ability to copy a channel and propagate it. That's a huge time saver for me.
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Used record once. No problems. There are a lot of reasons I won't be going back to MF3. Biggest one is the ability to copy a channel and propagate it. That's a huge time saver for me.
I agree that MF4 has quite a lot of very useful features. Your one successful recording is all very well, my unsuccessful one was a f**king disaster as was the sudden massive distortion on playback at another gig. Unacceptable I'm afraid. Anyone prepared to take these sort of risks with their clients cannot be taken very seriously, sorry Wynnd, and I'm talking to you Beno as well.
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I use both versions and actually like MF4 and have had no problems with it.
However, I do not use if for recording or playback.
For all you that use it for the recording function, I hope they work out the issues so you can feel confident in the new app.
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I record every show, and play back .WAVs on the same external for break music.
Other than the annoyance of the playback defaulting to "play once" (see enclosed screen shot) all has worked without issue.
I use DL32R, iPad Pro and a 2GB WD My Passport external drive.
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I record every show, and play back .WAVs on the same external for break music.
Other than the annoyance of the playback defaulting to "play once" (see enclosed screen shot) all has worked without issue.
I use DL32R, iPad Pro and a 2GB WD My Passport external drive.
Not the same setup. I'm using a 1608 which uses an ipad for recording/playback not a hard drive like your DL32. In a previous reply Beno tried to blame Apple for my problem, WK154 didn't agree. I do hope Mackie are looking into this (as well as working night and day on a new reverb!!!). I've given up relying on the DL for recording and invested in a Tascam DR-40 4 track recorder. Seems a very nice and inexpensive machine and at last I can add some live ambiance to my board recordings to make them actually usable.
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I've done a few recordings using the Focusrite "Tape" app (dl1608, iPad3, mf3) and they've been great. Export to "Final Touch" for tidying up, then out to Dropbox, works well.
I haven't recorded with Hokusai from the DL but I've used it on other projects and the editing/export is great.
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I've done a few recordings using the Focusrite "Tape" app (dl1608, iPad3, mf3) and they've been great. Export to "Final Touch" for tidying up, then out to Dropbox, works well.
Sorry, not made myself clear. My problem is with MF4. Also the recording I made was very long, 2H40mins. The first 1H16mins was fine, after that the rest was one word looping all the way to the end.
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Got it.
Does MF4 restrict the use of 3rd party apps or do you think the issue is specifically within MF before recording? (assuming there is a "before" now that we're largely non-linear).
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That's an interesting point, I hadn't thought of recording with an external app. I imagine it's still possible in MF4.
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I was also wondering if you ran out of memory on your ipad. the 16 GB ones usually don't have much extra space. If you did, then at least MF4 kept you from losing all of it. (Which would be an improvement.)
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I was also wondering if you ran out of memory on your ipad. the 16 GB ones usually don't have much extra space. If you did, then at least MF4 kept you from losing all of it. (Which would be an improvement.)
No, 12gb left free afterwards and that endless loop (of the word continue!) took up all the space that the recording would have done.
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On my dl1608 i use a app called : multitrack DAW , for recording easy export via wifi and editing in app
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Check out MTS studio, full time signature control and the closest thing to the Cockos Reaper ethos I've seen on iPad.
Although, like Reaper, it looks a bit clunky and doesn't hold your hand as much as others.
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Friends like the attention from you for a suggestion on the RTA ...
Português BR
https://mackie.uservoice.com/forums/97035-dl-series/suggestions/12372489-selecionar-origem-de-captação-do-rta
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Boa tarde.
Português - BR
Tenho uma mesa dl1608
Gostaria de passar e tirar algumas dúvidas.
Com relação ao Pink noise este recurso pretende ser incrementado na dl1608?
Infelizmente faz muita falta esta ferramenta.
Com relação ao RTA disponível hoje.
Creio que utilizar o sinal de output de um dos auxiliares ajuda bastante para acertar uma voz ou um instrumento ate mesmo uma microfonia. ...
Porem não ajuda em nada para alinharmos o sistema, pois ao soltar o pink noise no canal do ipad e ligar o RTA no LR o sinal esta perfeito, mas o sistema nao esta nada alinhado.
Acredito que a ferramenta de RTA ja disponível é muito boa mas apenas para equalização... para ficar perfeita seria ótimo que tivesse nos input com isso certamente conseguiriamos fazer a equalização do canal mais perfeitamente e mais rápido.
Minha sugestão é. ...
E uma outra ferramenta para alinhamento de sistema.
Com pink noise e RTA
Porém creio que o ideal seria utilizar o microfone do ipad ou ate mesmo plugar em um determinado canal um microfone condensador especifico para RTA.
Mas o ideal seria que pudessemos escolher entre um canal ou o microfone do ipad.
Com a ferramenta existente de RTA conseguiriamos equalizar os canais perfeitamente alinhados, e também alinhariamos o sistema perfeitamente.
Fica ai minha dica.
Valew.
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hey guys. New to the forum, not so new to the DL1608.
usually i try to ring out the speakers and look for critical areas by turning a mic gain and the main fader loud and i ask to someone to make some specific noises and provoke the feedback.
i'm getting great results with it and i got very exited when i knew they where giving it a RTA in the new update.
I've never worked with one before, but i read a lot about it, but it got me thinking, since the oscilloscope is only available on the DL32 how is the best way to use this RTA, like the guy said on the Portuguese post before this, isn't the signal coming out too clean and therefore making the RTA unusable to EQ the speakers with white noise coming out of the iPad channel ? are we supposed to make the PA ring with the mike as i describe before and will the RTA act?
Please advise me on how to use this RTA.
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I use the RTA without any audio input. Just keep turning up the volume and eventually you will get feedback and with the RTA, you know exactly what frequency it's occurring at. Put a narrow dip and then turn up some more and see where the next frequency shows up... Don't do it too often. Probably 4 times would take care of the greatest offenders. Might want to do the monitors separate from the FOH. My take anyway, but I also have DriveRack PX for the powered speakers and a DriveRack PA for the unpowered speakers. Both have anti-feedback that's even easier to set up. (I've had them for a while.) I also have an app on my phone that identifies feedback frequencies too.
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And the easiest and best way to prevent feedback is for the band to turn down.
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Português - BR
Creio que tentar alinhar o sistema com a ferramenta disponível de RTA seria em vão.
Apesar de de vc conseguir verificar as frequencias ainda não é o ideal se a origem do pink noise for o próprio ipad ou se o aparelho estiver plugado na mesa.
Creio que para equalizar um grupo de canais ou para saber como esta sua saida de audio o RTA existente e bom. Mas seria perfeito se isso fosse empregado no input nas entradas de sinal individualmente... isso sim seria perfeito pois o musico cantaria e vc ja deixaria plana todas as frequências. ...
Eu mandei uma sugestão para que fosse adicionado uma nova opcao específica de RTA que pudessemos selecionar o mic do ipad ou um determinado canal onde pudessemos colocar um microfone condensador de RTA.
Mas creio que isso certamente uma hora irá acontecer.
Um abraço a todos.
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And the easiest and best way to prevent feedback is for the band to turn down.
I play in a Folk/pop band so i have the eléctrico basse and the Drums in one side and then i have the banjos/fiddle/mandolin/etc... On the other so just turning the band down, sometimes isn't enough. But since I started ringing the pa like I said before I had seen my job cuted in half. It's rly similar process that you described but without the help of the rta I just had to look for the frequency going up With the sliders in the 31 band eq and then if it was the right I would just cut it. Just so I get it clear, you have one Chanel with a mic open at least to do that right? As is, the rta will help my find that frequency more quicker with this method but wt I was rly hoping was to just rely on the pink noise and the rta as sometimes we play at weddings and not every time we are allowed to do much noise. having pink noise instead of having someone shouting in the mike looks so much more professional :p.
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Pink noise can help you flatten the frequency response of your PA system. But doing it in a particular room has a few pitfalls that need to watched out for.
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Pink noise can help you flatten the frequency response of your PA system. But doing it in a particular room has a few pitfalls that need to watched out for.
Depending on when you set up, someone talking or singing into the mic may be better than subjecting a partially filled wedding room with pink noise...
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Português - BR
Alinhar o sistema é fundamental.... a ferramenta para isso é uma das questões... o pink noise gerado pela mesa, mais a opção de conectar um microfone condensador em uma canal ou usar o microfone do IPAD para analisar o sistema apos as caixas de som é o ideal. corrigimos todo o espectro de frequências sem precisar de qualquer software, plugin, app ou cabo...
a outra questão é usar o RTA para analisar a sua equalização geral de vozes instrumentos, grupos, saídas de áudio.... com o RTA nas saídas já conseguimos identificar possíveis microfonias, ver onde o som esta soando com mais força, ter uma noção de como esta nosso sistema.
se esta opção fosse adicionadas nos canais de entrada na tela de EQ certamente teríamos uma mixagem muito mais simples e eficaz, podemos corrigir frequências especificas de cada cantor ou microfones, podemos perceber e atenuar ou ressaltar as frequências....
isso é uma ferramenta fundamental para os técnicos hoje.
Desde já grato
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No sign of progress on the app front. Unless there is something we're not being told it would seem Mackie are satisfied that enough people are happy enough so the problems described here have a shelf life and we can move on without addressing them.
I'm becoming such a bloody cynic, shame.
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When it's been a year I'll be the first to grab my pitchfork and torch and storm the castle ;) - until then let's imagine something HUGE is being worked on :) .
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I think all some are looking for are bug fixes. The annual surprise is in November way to early now.
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I was quite happy with the app when I bought it in 2013 (Sept) Now I use most of the new tools and it has become more functional. If they didn't do anything but fix bugs, I would still be happy. Not expecting to replace this mixer. (Getting too old to be looking at new hardware.)
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Totally agree, have been pleased from day one and the upgrades and added features have only made it better.
Aside from a few bug fixes (like slow faders) that were annoying until repaired I have no issues. I bought it knowing it was not a DiGiCo or large venue board and I have never tried to make it something it's not, or bitched when it didn't perform like studio console.
I use my 1608 maybe once a month, but use other bands 1608's and DL32's almost weekly since they bring the mixer and I just carry my iPad. I like that I can write or modify a program at home and upload it to their mixer in a flash.
While I have other mixers that have better EQ and FX, the light weight, ease of the app and perceived reliability makes the 1608 the one I usually grab to take. I do keep a spare small Yamaha in the van just in case.
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I think all some are looking for are bug fixes.
That'll do. I don't really appreciate surprises any more. Just doing what you say you'll do keeps me very happy.
It's the perfectly timed system lock-ups that I find it hard to feel grateful for.
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does anyone have a bug of not being able to export recordings to the cloud?
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does anyone have a bug of not being able to export recordings to the cloud?
What cloud? I've never had a problem exporting them to DropBox.
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does anyone have a bug of not being able to export recordings to the cloud?
What cloud? I've never had a problem exporting them to DropBox.
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Here's a strange one:
If I connect with one iPad3 all is cool. I change a few things, maybe we have a banjo player instead of a fiddler. So then I "replace" the scene and all is saved.
Then I connect my 2nd iPad3, it asks me whether I want to use the scene on the iPad or on the dl1608, I choose the dl1608 where my changes are saved - but the dl1608 loads the scene on the 2nd iPad and all changes are lost.
Any thoughts?
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Master Fader 4.5 Released!
http://cacophony.aspinock.com/index.php?topic=1263.0