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Unofficial Mackie User Forums => DL1608/DL806/DL32R/ProDX Mixers => Topic started by: Jkowtko on January 15, 2016, 07:32:24 PM
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I'm getting bored with this mixer, and a bit annoyed at how much desktop space it takes up. The DL32R is a behemoth, and there is no smaller DL16R equivalent or I would have bought it already.
Has anyone tried converting the DL1608 or DL806 to a rack mount mixer? It seems that 2U should do it. I've partially disassembled my unit and noticed a few hard-soldered panels and ribbon cables ... but I haven't given it a serious attempt as yet.
I think it would be a fun project.
Thanks. John
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I hear you John, maybe we'll see something at NAMM next week. A re-layout of the board to resolve some of their grounding issues and a smaller form factor such as the Behringer XR series would put them back into the race. Did you ever dig into the XAP800 as a add-on or otherwise? The current cage is 8.5" square x 1" high IIRC. I never disassembled the analog or power section under the metal shield, If you do, take some pics and post them it will give some more info on this mixer. I have noticed that Mackie is starting to post schematics on some of their equipment ( :thu:) but current stuff is not there, too bad.
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We have two XAP800s and an XAP400 in our conf room down the hall here at work, I haven't looked around to see if we have any spares sitting in a closet.
I checked out the XAP UI a while back after the last time you mentioned it, and it looked really clunky ... there's no way you could do real-time fading with it. I'm not a mobile app developer so I don't think I would be able to improve on it. However if someone has already built a UI for this box, maybe that's an option.
In the meantime I am reasonably happy with Master Fader and would be fine staying with the DL series if some of these issues could be overcome.
-- John
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Although the XAP800 was never designed with live mixing in mind I have used it many times. It all depends on your work flow habits. If you find the need to ride faders, definitely not. It does however have a Macro mode which can be useful to execute many commands in sequence, something I haven't seen in the current crop of digital mixers. I also use it as a diagnostic tool and signal source, a lot cheaper and flexible than most tools out there if you can spare a 1U slot.
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John,
In the meantime I am reasonably happy with Master Fader and would be fine staying with the DL series if some of these issues could be overcome.
We've pretty much beat this thing to death, what issues are you referring to?
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John,
In the meantime I am reasonably happy with Master Fader and would be fine staying with the DL series if some of these issues could be overcome.
We've pretty much beat this thing to death, what issues are you referring to?
Form factor (2U rack is ideal), USB recording, extra ins/outs for monitor/break ... Things that the X18 has but are lacking on the DL1608. I would have picked up a X18 already except that they don't allow offline programming like Master Fader does.
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I would have picked up a X18 already except that they don't allow offline programming like Master Fader does.
I haven't use it offline but V1.3 of X-Air edit (PC) has offline edit mode, so what is it missing?
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I'm sorry ... I meant to say X32 Rack. I would have picked up an X32Rack already if it weren't for two things actually:
* no offline editing
* chassis still to deep to fit into a shallow rack
The XAir series for whatever reason is a completely different animal ... maybe Behringer bought a company? And the significant difference between features of the Android and iOS app designs concerns me -- especially when iOS lacks DCAs. They will have to clean up their apps before I consider an XR18 ... but yes this would be a great small club mixer to pull out of the bag when needed.
So ... IMHO Mackie has a winner in the Master Fader app and its functionality on DL32R ... they just need to come up with a smaller format rack mixer to win me over Behringer's offerings.
In the meantime, I wouldn't mind tearing my DL apart to see if I can fit it in one of my Xracks.
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Thought about it as well but the analog section/input panel is the problem on size. You need access to the pre's gain knobs. That would be at least 3U. Maybe NAMM ? As is on a slide out rack tray it still takes 3U with the current unit. Same as the XR18.
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The XAir series for whatever reason is a completely different animal ... maybe Behringer bought a company? And the significant difference between features of the Android and iOS app designs concerns me -- especially when iOS lacks DCAs. They will have to clean up their apps before I consider an XR18 ... but yes this would be a great small club mixer to pull out of the bag when needed.
All home grown. Right now things are still being sorted out but my guess would be that V2.x will fix that. I currently won't recommend it and the lack of a manual makes it worse. The Wiki don't do it for me. :( Lots of unhappy folks.
The DL32 without a wired solution is also a no-go.
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Thought about it as well but the analog section/input panel is the problem on size. You need access to the pre's gain knobs.
Back panel: XLR, TRS, ethernet, power jack
Front panel: power/phantom switches and LEDs, gains, headphone, iOS jack
That should fit, no?
I would also like to add to the front panel some RCA outs jumped off LR outs, and if I had enough space, some A/B switches to add two more pairs of inputs to toggle with 13/14 and 15/16.
And, if the circuitry isn't different between 1-12 and 13-16, put combo jacks on all inputs.
Maybe even use XLR outs (or have XLR and TRS) for the Aux.
Again, it's a project, might as well see how much can be done. The above enhancements are all basic electrical connections.
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Never had the analog section apart or even visible. If you want to split the I/O connectors from the pre's it would depend on the current connector type and whether the extra length would cause issues. Right now they are next to each other. I'm certain the 1-12 and 13-16 are different circuits. The connector board would be the largest at about 3.75", that puts it into the 3U size. Re-laying out the boards would not be a interesting project.
The above enhancements are all basic electrical connections.
Famous last words! :)
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I'm sorry ... I meant to say X32 Rack. I would have picked up an X32Rack already if it weren't for two things actually:
* no offline editing
* chassis still to deep to fit into a shallow rack
OK but the X32 has offline editing and depending on the "shallow rack" I see a range from 10.7", 12" 14.5". Since the rack is 11.3" I'd be inclined to take the 12" variety.
Then there is the DIY custom case right on the money. I make a lot of my own. This outfit is 15 min. away. http://www.reliablehardware.com/.
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Just to chip in ;)
The qu-pac doesn't do offline yet, but it's shallow rackable, Usb multi recordable, has 4 great fx, amm, ducking, has a very good iPad app, android control, expandable to 38 channels, is reliable and sounds great.
:)
Have a nice day!
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Yes, that's a really nice unit, like the Behringer but fits in a shallow rack. The price point is noticeably higher though so I had initially ruled it out as an option. If the price drops this year and Behringer or Mackie doesn't improve their offering, that might be what I end up with.
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I'm hoping to see a DL16R or DL24R soon that fit in a shallow rack :) .
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The offline editor for the X32 pretty much replicates everything on the unit and is graphically laid out like the full X32. Clearly this doesn't help your issue with regards to a shallow rack, but there is a lot crammed in one of those units including the two stage power supply.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3JcYsfSIuDc
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I'm hoping to see a DL16R or DL24R soon that fit in a shallow rack :) .
I would buy one, I still have a soft spot for the DL/MF combo ;)
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The offline editor for the X32 pretty much replicates everything on the unit and is graphically laid out like the full X32. Clearly this doesn't help your issue with regards to a shallow rack, but there is a lot crammed in one of those units including the two stage power supply.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3JcYsfSIuDc
I didn't see anything in there about offline editing.
And ... this is the PC control app, not the iOS app.
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You can download the app and run it offline (in 'demo' mode) I'll give it a try tomorrow to see if it allows you to save scenes in demo mode.
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Of course it will, but why not wait till NAMM you never know if Mackie wised up. V2.3 of the X32 iPad app seems to have a few problems so stay tune.
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I didn't see anything in there about offline editing.
And ... this is the PC control app, not the iOS app.
The PC app allows full offline editing and you can then sync it to the mixer either via a network connection or saving the show file to USB and loading it to the mixer directly. There is also a Mac OSX and Linux version of this if Windows isn't your bag. I don't believe you can offline edit from the iPad version.
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I don't believe you can offline edit from the iPad version.
I already answered that twice and if you want, as Sam stated, download and see for yourself. FUD helps no-one. You also forgot to mention the most feature full and reliable Android app by Dave, currently the best choice IMHO.
So back to the OP's subject. Has anyone seen pics of the DL's analog section?
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Apologies you can (partially) edit offline with the iPad version of X32-Mix,. In the previous version not all the features were editable offline and even in this one, you can't edit the pre-amp gains from the channels, you have to go into the setup screen and do them separately. My app was synced to the mixer before taking it offline and the gains aren't showing their position as they were set on the mixer. So its ok, but not as good as the PC app. Haven't got an android tablet, so can't try out that app.
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Fyi, I purchased a Qu-Pac back in Feb 2016 when they went on sale for under $1200. I've played with it a bit but haven't used it for our concerts yet (lack of time forced me to continue with the DL which was a known entity). The form factor is great, not sure I like the iPad UI as much as Master Fader.
So, back to looking at the DL again. My iPad 2's are getting really slow with iOS9 so I am starting the upgrade to the new iPad 2017 ... already bought one and it is a lot faster than the iPad 2. Now if I want to use the new iPad to dock in my DL I will have to change out the connector and the tray .. $90. Which brings me back to the rack mount project.
If anyone has looked into this further over the last year and a half I would be interested to hear your findings.
Thanks. John
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Hi John,
I bought a used Apple brand 30-pin to lightning adapter cable from Ebay for $20.
Works fine, though the newer Ipads don't slide/dock.
Thanks and good health, Weogo
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Now if I want to use the new iPad to dock in my DL I will have to change out the connector and the tray .. $90. Which brings me back to the rack mount project.
Thanks. John
Is that a possibility? I've just recently switched to the new MF software, and have a new iPad which has great processing power & speed. I would love to convert my tray & dock. Is this a kit you can purchase?
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Hi Steve,
See here:
http://mackie.com/blog/zap-mackie-dl-series-mixers-lightning-and-you
Thanks and good health, Weogo
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Hi Steve,
See here:
http://mackie.com/blog/zap-mackie-dl-series-mixers-lightning-and-you
Thanks and good health, Weogo
Thanks - I want the tray conversion. The only thing they don't mention is what iPad will fit in that tray. I have a new generation iPad (2017), which is dimensionally different that the Air2. Will this tray work?
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Hi Steve,
See here:
http://mackie.com/blog/zap-mackie-dl-series-mixers-lightning-and-you
Thanks and good health, Weogo
Thanks - I want the tray conversion. The only thing they don't mention is what iPad will fit in that tray. I have a new generation iPad (2017), which is dimensionally different that the Air2. Will this tray work?
I am in the same situation ... moving from an iPad2 to an iPad(2017). From what I can tell the new iPad uses the iPad Air tray ... but I would suggest calling Mackie and confirming that before ordering one.
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Hi Steve,
See here:
http://mackie.com/blog/zap-mackie-dl-series-mixers-lightning-and-you
Thanks and good health, Weogo
Thanks - I want the tray conversion. The only thing they don't mention is what iPad will fit in that tray. I have a new generation iPad (2017), which is dimensionally different that the Air2. Will this tray work?
I am in the same situation ... moving from an iPad2 to an iPad(2017). From what I can tell the new iPad uses the iPad Air tray ... but I would suggest calling Mackie and confirming that before ordering one.
Hmm iPad Air 2 = 6.1 mm thick (.24")
iPad 2017 = 7.5 mm thick (.29")
I'm thinking we might have to wait.
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Hi Steve,
See here:
http://mackie.com/blog/zap-mackie-dl-series-mixers-lightning-and-you
Thanks and good health, Weogo
Thanks - I want the tray conversion. The only thing they don't mention is what iPad will fit in that tray. I have a new generation iPad (2017), which is dimensionally different that the Air2. Will this tray work?
I am in the same situation ... moving from an iPad2 to an iPad(2017). From what I can tell the new iPad uses the iPad Air tray ... but I would suggest calling Mackie and confirming that before ordering one.
Hmm iPad Air 2 = 6.1 mm thick (.24")
iPad 2017 = 7.5 mm thick (.29")
I'm thinking we might have to wait.
The specs for the tray at BH PhotoVideo say it will handle both models. I think if you buy the tray from them and it doesn't fit, they would take it back.
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1352180-REG/mackie_ipad_air_tray_kit_tray_for_ipad_2017.html
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Hi Steve,
See here:
http://mackie.com/blog/zap-mackie-dl-series-mixers-lightning-and-you
Thanks and good health, Weogo
Thanks - I want the tray conversion. The only thing they don't mention is what iPad will fit in that tray. I have a new generation iPad (2017), which is dimensionally different that the Air2. Will this tray work?
I am in the same situation ... moving from an iPad2 to an iPad(2017). From what I can tell the new iPad uses the iPad Air tray ... but I would suggest calling Mackie and confirming that before ordering one.
Hmm iPad Air 2 = 6.1 mm thick (.24")
iPad 2017 = 7.5 mm thick (.29")
I'm thinking we might have to wait.
The specs for the tray at BH PhotoVideo say it will handle both models. I think if you buy the tray from them and it doesn't fit, they would take it back.
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1352180-REG/mackie_ipad_air_tray_kit_tray_for_ipad_2017.html
New item, coming soon. I hope they have one with the lightening connector as well.
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You can of course buy it direct from Mackie ... but they will charge you shipping.
Also, if you need to change out the connector too, Mackie has the combined connector and tray all in one unit for a quick installation. They have it listed for $99 + shipping, whereas if you buy the separate tray and connector from BHPhotoVideo it looks like 39+49=88 with shipping included. That's a $20 difference for the extra hassle of installation of the separate connector. Maybe try calling BH to see if they can get the combined unit drop-shipped to you with free shipping?
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You can of course buy it direct from Mackie ... but they will charge you shipping.
Also, if you need to change out the connector too, Mackie has the combined connector and tray all in one unit for a quick installation. They have it listed for $99 + shipping, whereas if you buy the separate tray and connector from BHPhotoVideo it looks like 39+49=88 with shipping included. That's a $20 difference for the extra hassle of installation of the separate connector. Maybe try calling BH to see if they can get the combined unit drop-shipped to you with free shipping?
Yes, I am looking for the full kit as linked above in this thread, but it does not look like this new tray is available yet, and I see no mention of a full kit that can be used with the iPad 2017. I have a request in now with Mackie. We'll see how they respond on Tuesday.