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Unofficial Mackie User Forums => DL1608/DL806/DL32R/ProDX Mixers => Topic started by: JohnMHoyt on September 13, 2016, 05:43:39 AM
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I've decided to try it... I put it on my iPad Pro last night and will test with a couple other iPads tomorrow.
Can't wait to try out the new verbs and the RTA enhancements!
Will let you know if it explodes ;)
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Update available in the App Store - requires a firmware update to use. From the App Store:
Master Fader version 4.5 adds support for Mackie DC16 Control Surface including a new Controllers setup panel and Follow modes.
It also adds the following great new features for all DL1608, DL806 and DL32R users:
- All new great sounding reverbs with advanced controls
- Spectrograph underlay option for RTA
- View RTA from any input channel
- All-new factory presets for all processors simplifies setup
- Metering ballistics options
- FX presets now store and recall FX return EQ
- iOS10 support
- Numerous bug fixes
Downloading now...
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Is it safe to assume that MF3 will still function?
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Is it safe to assume that MF3 will still function?
No... Nothing should be assumed ;)
I don't think I would put that firmware update on until this was verified if I were you.
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Is it safe to assume that MF3 will still function?
It will probably work better than 4.5.... :lol:
Whoever thought we might need a new reverb!
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It will probably be a while before I can try it out, but I'm looking forward to the updates.
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iOS 10? What will be new in that? I sure hope it plays nice with MF.
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Hello !
i am from germany and i have a problem with the firmwareupdate to 4.5.
The led's are flashing slowly which means: "force update, awaiting firmware update, ipad connection is not yet established."
and my ipad shows update screen. ipad says "loading firmware updater, this may take a few moments".
And thats it, no more action is noticed. with 4.05 it works fine.
And next question: is it possible to make a master reset with the dl32r?
By the way please excuse bad english.
regards
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So far, MF 4.5 looks pretty solid. Update went smoothly, no issues so far.
New reverbs sound pretty decent, but problem from previous version applies: if you don't start out with one of Mackie's presets for the various reverb types, you can get some pretty strange sounding effects. I had some very metallic ringing artifacts with the Plate reverb type that I couldn't get rid of... But starting from one of their Plate presets, everything sounds very nice now.
I'll keep you posted!
Cheers,
Torsten
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Have a show this Saturday, so I'll have a chance to play around with the new stuff. Cool.
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Have a show this Saturday, so I'll have a chance to play around with the new stuff. Cool.
I hope you do some thorough testing before then. You don't want any surprises during the show. :facepalm:
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RTA on inputs works great.
Thank you so much MACKIE!
I'm so used to it when mixing in Logic using my eyes instead of my ears ;)
I wonder if it's advisable to switch it off when not needed, to save resources.
But maybe it depends more on the iPad I use than the DL32R
I also tested the sound when gain is set too hot.
Amazing how warm the clipping sounds.
Next time I'll try to use it on drum channels.
And with no fear when the keyboarder switches from a pad sound to a very dynamic piano sound. ;)
But that seems not to be a new feature.
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Hey All,
Here is a blog post with more information about the new 4.5 release. We think you'll really like it.
http://mackie.com/live/master-fader-v45-now-available-free-download
Release notes provide more info too:
http://mackie.com/sites/default/files/PRODUCT%20RESOURCES/SOFTWARE-FIRMWARE/App_Release_Notes/V4_5_Master_Fader-app_Release_Notes.pdf
Also, there were some bugs with 4.0.2 in iOS10 so you'll definitely want to hold off upgrading to iOS10 if you want to stick with 4.0.2 for a bit. Otherwise, be sure to upgrade to 4.5.
Also, due to the upgraded reverbs, your snapshots and presets might sound different. We did our best to match the resulting reverb as closely as possible but we recommend you listen to each snapshot and preset and modify the reverb controls as needed.
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Is it safe to assume that MF3 will still function?
Master Fader 3 has not been tested with iOS10. It is provided for compatibility purposes but it is not under active development nor testing and hasn't been since the release of Master Fader 4.0. We recommend you upgrade to the latest Master Fader 4.5 for the best user experience and support.
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Okay, using a couple different band's tracks I recorded and running them back through their saved shows but resetting the 'verb sure sounds better.
New verbs are a super starting point... My own band's vocalist is going to love it because he has reverb in his ears (In-Ear Monitors) and these sound so much warmer right out of the box.
My drummer stopped by and dug the plate reverbs on his snare (we only use the 2nd reverb channel for him).
RTA on a per-channel basis is nice... no, it's freakin awesome.....
I'm not scared - it's getting used out on Friday at a show. Wish me luck =)
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one disappointment: still no option to copy COMPLETE channels - gain, trim, send, fader levels and group assignments do not get copied.
So it remains very tedious to re-arrange my channels when our drummer needs an additional channel for his new cowbell.
Well, let's hope for a future update - shouldn't be too difficult...
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I'm not scared - it's getting used out on Friday at a show. Wish me luck =)
Let us know how it goes. So far, the news is encouraging.
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Still no alternative control method but IOS. I dislike IOS just as much as I love the size and weight of my DL1608. Great product "hijacked" by Apple/Mackie. Add some OSC, even if it requires a PC in the loop, and this mixer will be used all the time. Now it's used 3-4 times a year as I've got way better control using my Motu 8M and a Yamaha 01V96. It's such an opportunity missed. The main reason why costumers by other options (at least my experience in the MIA outlet I used to work). I've sold more LS9s than DL1608/806 just because of the os lock-in.
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Is it safe to assume that MF3 will still function?
Master Fader 3... is not under active development
Excellent!
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Let us know how it goes. So far, the news is encouraging.
I've played with it for a couple hours today.
Loaded shows from a few different bands I have done sound for, including my own.
Played recorded tracks through the mixer (virtual sound check).
Checked my mains and monitor feeds.
Played with the reverbs.
Played with the RTA.
Made sure all my mute groups work.
Made sure all the outputs work.
One thing I notice is - the new reverbs seem much much hotter, so I have to dial them back a bit on the levels for each output, but left REV1/REV2 where they were on their own mixes.
I know this was occurring before, but it seems more prominent now:
The singer in my band wants to hear FX in his monitors - oh joy..... And he wants LOTS of them.
So on the mix page for REV 1, my vocalist's channel is set to -1.3dB, everyone else's VOX are -8ish, Master is set to -1.1dB
Now, on the L+R mains mix, the Rev1 channel is set to -25dB (previous version it was more like -16dB for most songs)
Okay, that sounds great... but.... over on my keyboard players AUX, he has REV 1 set around -38dB, and the vocalist with all the reverb in his own mix and the mains? Well, he's pulled down quite low too.
But the keyboard player complains that all he hears is the verb from that vocalist, with no signal from the vocalist.
This is nothing new - it just seems much more prevalent. Likely because the new verbs are "hotter"?
Not a complaint, the work around is to simply lower the FX further.
Ideally, the keyboard player doesn't want to hear other vocalist in his ears, coming through the FX channel...
Anywaaaay, so far, so good. Everything seems to work like it did before.
I did notice that on the outputs for the mains and auxes, that by default, the compressor is on, the delay is on (but at 0.0ms), EQ and Graphic EQ are on.
Can't remember if they were all defaulted to on for shows before. Either way, it doesn't make any difference since it's all set to 0 or flat. (I just disable things I'm not using normally)
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Still no alternative control method but IOS. I dislike IOS just as much as I love the size and weight of my DL1608. Great product "hijacked" by Apple/Mackie. Add some OSC, even if it requires a PC in the loop, and this mixer will be used all the time. Now it's used 3-4 times a year as I've got way better control using my Motu 8M and a Yamaha 01V96. It's such an opportunity missed. The main reason why costumers by other options (at least my experience in the MIA outlet I used to work). I've sold more LS9s than DL1608/806 just because of the os lock-in.
Kindof funny - I've been messing about with a Behringer XR12 also and its iOS app is outdated, lacks functionality that the other apps have. OTOH it "feels" more polished than the Android, Windows, and Mac apps - which implies that iOS is the more mature and consistent OS.
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They are a bit hotter. Remember you have a send you can lower too and deal with it all in one place.
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They are a bit hotter. Remember you have a send you can lower too and deal with it all in one place.
Oh good, it's not just my imagination... Probably would be best for me to lower that send and solve the (non) issue across the board, so to speak.....
Boy the reverbs sound great. ALIVE. More authentic. We're not talking Lexicon or anything, but it's seriously better than ever and now completely nullifies that argument I heard from a couple other people about brand x having better FX.
Thanks to the engineers for that major facelift!!!!
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I should add that I was not unhappy with the reverb.... I had found ways to make it sound pretty darn good. But now, the presets are amazing all on their own.
My drummer loves that plate on his snare... If he's happy, I'm happy!
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Kindof funny - I've been messing about with a Behringer XR12 also and its iOS app is outdated, lacks functionality that the other apps have. OTOH it "feels" more polished than the Android, Windows, and Mac apps - which implies that iOS is the more mature and consistent OS.
I've been doing remote to my Yamaha 01V96 (Using StereoScope) and Motu 828MKIII using touchOSC for years both on IOS and Android and through Osculator with no major issues. My Motu 8M is controllable from all platforms using a web interface and works great on a 13" ASUS touch enabled PC running Windows 10 and Chrome browser. Other devices that works great with the 8M: Sony Xperia Z1, iPad, Samsung S7, iPhone 4S, a touch enabled Raspberry PI, MacBook Pro '07, MacMini '11 server and a bunch of other devices. Streamlined or not, I want choice.
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I've been doing remote to my Yamaha 01V96 (Using StereoScope) and Motu 828MKIII using touchOSC for years both on IOS and Android and through Osculator with no major issues. My Motu 8M is controllable from all platforms using a web interface and works great on a 13" ASUS touch enabled PC running Windows 10 and Chrome browser. Other devices that works great with the 8M: Sony Xperia Z1, iPad, Samsung S7, iPhone 4S, a touch enabled Raspberry PI, MacBook Pro '07, MacMini '11 server and a bunch of other devices. Streamlined or not, I want choice.
sorry, but I don't want Mackie to bother with OSC, Android, Windows or other platforms. I want them to focus on iOS and make it the best possible on that platform. Supporting multi platforms is a pain for developers with minimal returns from other platforms, and it's not just porting the app to other devices.
Having to deal with the headache of Android alone with the different manufacturers, different OS flavors and different chipsets should make any developer think twice about cross platform support.
I'm selfish. I want the iOS to be great, and Mackie has decided that as well. I don't want the limited development resources split. If they want to open up the API or offer a an SDK to 3rd party developers, great.
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I have been using 4.5 for a while on many jobs (beta testing) and as far as I am concerned,, it is WONDERFUL!!!!!!!!!
Don't be afraid folks!
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While MF 4.5 was working great on my iPad 3 (ios 9x), iPad Air & iPad Pro (10 beta).... I decided I would go ahead and upgrade to the release version of IOS 10 on the air and the pro.
I'm happy to report that after the upgrade, everything is working well still...
Everything is all shiny and new on my end 8-)
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Pink Noise DL1608
O console esta cada vez mais completo, parabéns Mackie....
Mas a ferramenta de para gerar o um sinal Pink/White Noise ajudaria todos os técnicos para poderem alinhar / checar seus sistemas sem precisarem de outros dispositivos como microfones, celulares ou DVS.
Creio que uma tela bem simples com a rota e o nível seria ideal....
Se puder ter o Pink Noise / White Noise / Senoide ficaria perfeito
Sei que este recurso já temos na DL32R mas por favor se pudermos ter na DL1608 seria perfeito.
Obrigado.
<Translation:
The console is more complete, Mackie congratulations ....
But the tool to generate one Pink / White Noise signal would help all technicians to be able to align / check their systems without the need for other devices such as microphones, wireless DVS.
I believe that a simple screen with the route and the level would be ideal ....
If you can have the Pink Noise / White Noise / sinusoid would be perfect
I know that this feature already have the DL32R but please if we have the DL1608 would be perfect.
Thank you.>
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If you can have the Pink Noise / White Noise / sinusoid would be perfect
I know that this feature already have the DL32R but please if we have the DL1608 would be perfect.
The DL1608 can play back any sound file you have on the docked iPad - just grab a Pink Noise file from the internet.
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If you can have the Pink Noise / White Noise / sinusoid would be perfect
I know that this feature already have the DL32R but please if we have the DL1608 would be perfect.
The DL1608 can play back any sound file you have on the docked iPad - just grab a Pink Noise file from the internet.
Com o ipad acoplado podemos sim. mas passamos pelo processamento do canal.
Mas se você estiver em um palco checando as vias o interessante seria você conseguir fazer o roteamento do sinal e o mesmo ser gerado apenas pelo console sem precisar de qualquer outro meio.
Por Exemplo: Senoide você consegue ajustar a frequência, com isso consegue achar a frequência exata de reverberação do ambiente...
com o pink noise você consegue fazer um alinhamento do monitor estando em sua frente....
creio que disponibilizar as ferramentas no console deixa o equipamento o nível sempre em alta.
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Sidechain on Compressor
Mackie, será que um dia poderemos contar com este recurso?
Obrigado.
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Sidechain on Compressor
Mackie, será que um dia poderemos contar com este recurso?
Obrigado.
You can make suggestions, and vote for suggestions, here: https://mackie.uservoice.com/forums/97035-dl-series
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Sidechain on Compressor
Mackie, será que um dia poderemos contar com este recurso?
Obrigado.
You can make suggestions, and vote for suggestions, here: https://mackie.uservoice.com/forums/97035-dl-series
Obrigado.
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Reset Channel
Quando selecionamos esta opção no canal, a configuração não deveria voltar com toda default?
O ganho,auxiliares, mute, Trim, vca, view, reverb e delay não são alterados quando fazemos este processo.
Apenas as opções de GATE, Compressor, Equalizador, são reset
Estes 3 recursos tem como reset em sua configuração
Se a opção se chama "Reset Channel" acredito que deveria voltar para o estado inicial do canal, que é com todos os parâmetros Default igual quando abrimos uma sena nova.
O que você acha sobre este detalhe?
Tenho uma DL1608.
Obrigado.
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I agree with jr_jrafael. The Channel Reset option should reset the entire channel to the defaults. Everything.
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You can make suggestions, and vote for suggestions, here: https://mackie.uservoice.com/forums/97035-dl-series
I wish they'd clean up and combine similar suggestions, like the multiple suggestions for a feedback eliminator.
I like the idea someone had which was 2 of whatever effect you want - 2 Reverbs, 2 Delays, one of each - better than the 2 Reverbs since it encompasses both.
By cleaning up and aggregating these suggestions, more will rise to the top.
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I like the idea someone had which was 2 of whatever effect you want - 2 Reverbs, 2 Delays, one of each - better than the 2 Reverbs since it encompasses both.
Even the cheapest X-Air has four fairly unlimited FX.
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Even the cheapest X-Air has four fairly unlimited FX.
And the cheap X-Airs can even be controlled by Android, Mackie Control, OSC...
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Hello !
i am from germany and i have a problem with the firmwareupdate to 4.5.
The led's are flashing slowly which means: "force update, awaiting firmware update, ipad connection is not yet established."
and my ipad shows update screen. ipad says "loading firmware updater, this may take a few moments".
And thats it, no more action is noticed. with 4.05 it works fine.
And next question: is it possible to make a master reset with the dl32r?
By the way please excuse bad english.
regards
I'm having the same issue. MF4.5 connects to the DL32R and the force update screen appears. After selecting "YES-UPDATE" it does an archive of the current show, then promptly disconnects from the mixer with "BOOTING INTO FIRMWARE UPDATER" displayed. That's as far as it gets!! I have to say, this shakes my confidence in the product. So far I've tried rebooting everything, mixer, router, & iPad, but no luck. I've never had any problems with previous firmware updates.
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Sorry you guys are having issues. There are thousands of people who have updated without issues so there is some combination of things going on. I would advise reaching out to tech support so they can help trouble shoot. It will be much faster and easier than the forum.
Be sure to include full info about your system, how it's all connected, what iPad type, OS version, MF version coming from...
http://mackie.com/support-contact
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I too am in "Booting into firmware updater." limbo.
It's been at least an hour or more.
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To continue...
iPad 2, ios 9.3.5 (Just updated also)
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Quick question
I downloaded the new app but have not yet tried it.
I have a mixing only show on Saturday where I use the bands DL1608 ( not mine) but I still use my
iPad air2. I don't want them to download 4.5 yet in case they have problems and they use 5 iPads,iPhones for
Individual monitor mixes.
Will I have a issue since only my iPad has 4.5 loaded? Will it interface with their 4.0 firmware
I dont connect my iPad to the board (remote only), so the 1608 shouldn't ask for a firmware update .
Should I bring my spare iPad which is still on 4.0 ?
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Quick question
I downloaded the new app but have not yet tried it.
I have a mixing only show on Saturday where I use the bands DL1608 ( not mine) but I still use my
iPad air2. I don't want them to download 4.5 yet in case they have problems and they use 5 iPads,iPhones for
Individual monitor mixes.
Will I have a issue since only my iPad has 4.5 loaded? Will it interface with their 4.0 firmware
I dont connect my iPad to the board (remote only), so the 1608 shouldn't ask for a firmware update .
Should I bring my spare iPad which is still on 4.0 ?
Whenever there's work involved with gear, NEVER update before a show, during the middle of a project, etc. It's just asking for problems. I did update, but my next show using my mixer is in October!
I would email/call them ASAP and say DON'T UPGRADE anything before the show - don't upgrade to iOS 10, Master Fader 4.5, firmware, etc.
Delete 4.5 from your iPad and load 4.0 back on - otherwise you may have issues as with an iPad on 4.5, it will be looking for updated firmware, whether you connect physically or wirelessly. You will most likely need to use your spare iPad.
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Less than the suggested 15 minute wait for the DL1608 to update and no meltdowns whatsoever so far. MF 4.5 runs very smooth on the iPad Air 2 hard connected to the DL. I don’t have anything until October so I can ring everything out before the next gig, phew! All iToys are on iOS 10. Running it wirelessly with the updates will be the test.
We will see! :mrgreen:
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The band I'm working for this week never updates anything until I give them a thumbs up. I want to keep 4.5 on my air2 since I need to work with it for the shows I use my board for.
I have 2 other iPads to use this weekend both with 4.0 loaded and ready to go, totally compatable with their system so I see no reason to dump it fro my iPad Air.
Am just curious if 4.5 on a remote iPad would be able to run 4.0 on the mixer.
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Rdmitch:
Never tried that, mixing versions of MF. One would think that it would work okay, but I kinda have a feeling that if you ran 4.5 on the remote iPad with 4.0 firmware on the mixer at the gig, the remote iPad and MF 4.5 just wouldn't connect to the mixer at all.
If you set up at home and the iPad in question was connected to your home wireless network, MF 4.5 would try to update the firmware on your DL (1608 or 32) as soon as you loaded MF and connected to the DL either docked or wirelessly (DL32) .
Please note that I have never updated the firmware on the DL1608 any other way than docked or just hard connected, so I'm really not sure about a firmware update done via wireless. It's (DL1608) supposed to be able to update wirelessly though.
I hope this makes some sense to you? :) Maybe some of our more learned Colleagues can chime in on this one? 8)
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Am just curious if 4.5 on a remote iPad would be able to run 4.0 on the mixer.
Nope. It won't work. As soon as you connect your iPad Air 2 to the DL, it will require an update to the firmware on the DL before it will allow you to load a show.
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As an aside - the firmware on an X-Air is separate from the apps and you can mostly mix and match the firmware and apps. I suspect that works as long as the firmware is the same age or newer than the app? OTOH their ability to keep up the apps with newer firmware features is pretty dismal - their iOS app in particular is looooong overdue for an update x( .
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As an aside - the firmware on an X-Air is separate from the apps and you can mostly mix and match the firmware and apps. I suspect that works as long as the firmware is the same age or newer than the app? OTOH their ability to keep up the apps with newer firmware features is pretty dismal - their iOS app in particular is looooong overdue for an update x( .
This is one of the weaknesses with locking stuff to platform dependent apps. I understand that you need the latest software with the latest firmware for all functions to work, but common parameters could easily have been made to work. With an open protocol like OSC users could map what they need regardless of what MF does.
Edit: grammar
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As an aside - the firmware on an X-Air is separate from the apps and you can mostly mix and match the firmware and apps. I suspect that works as long as the firmware is the same age or newer than the app? OTOH their ability to keep up the apps with newer firmware features is pretty dismal - their iOS app in particular is looooong overdue for an update x( .
This is one of the weaknesses with locking stuff to platform deoendent apps. I understand that you need the latest software with the latest firmware for all functions to work, but common parameters could easily have been made to work. With an open protocol like OSC users could map what they need regardless of what MF does.
Actually not. If newer features are introduced through software and hardware, a firmware update would be required sometimes for hardware with one OS or multiple OS supported. OSC is a control spec, whereas Master Fader is control and more - you're harnessing the power of your iPad. Very different from using a tablet with OSC or touch OSC to control a 01v96 - it's just sending MIDI.
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As an aside - the firmware on an X-Air is separate from the apps and you can mostly mix and match the firmware and apps. I suspect that works as long as the firmware is the same age or newer than the app? OTOH their ability to keep up the apps with newer firmware features is pretty dismal - their iOS app in particular is looooong overdue for an update x( .
This is one of the weaknesses with locking stuff to platform deoendent apps. I understand that you need the latest software with the latest firmware for all functions to work, but common parameters could easily have been made to work. With an open protocol like OSC users could map what they need regardless of what MF does.
Actually not. If newer features are introduced through software and hardware, a firmware update would be required sometimes for hardware with one OS or multiple OS supported. OSC is a control spec, whereas Master Fader is control and more - you're harnessing the power of your iPad. Very different from using a tablet with OSC or touch OSC to control a 01v96 - it's just sending MIDI.
OSC is not MIDI, get your "facts" straight. It's a network protocol just like what Master Fader uses, but it's open source and not a proprietary protocol made unavailable to others. StereoScope and OSCulator translates OSC to MIDI, so yes, the Yamaha is MIDI, but I'm not talking directly to that one. Motu uses OSC and JSON. The only thing the iPad adds to a DL1608 is recording to a docked device. Everything else can be done by pure protocol.
It should be straight forward to grey out functions not available in the firmware in MF 4.5. Newest software should have no problems with manipulating old firmware unless there are complete overhauls of the underlaying structure (address changes and so forth). In theory MF 4.5 should be able to control the basics of even the oldest revision of the DL1608 without needing to upgrade firmware. The other way around could be more problematic, and certainly one needs the latest of everything to utilize all new functions, but straight fader adjustment, muting, paning should be possible with all iterations of the MF without needing a download. Of course one needs the latest of everything to utilize all new functions. This is just Mackie being attracted to/forced by the Apple planned obsolescence policy.
The first thing Mackie mentions about their DL series in their faq section:
1. What does a DL Series mixer do? What does the iPad do?
It’s simple. The mixer itself does all the heavy lifting.
Onyx mic pres amplify the signal. High-end AD converters convert this to digital. The powerful DSP chip processes and mixes this through the low latency mix engine. What’s missing? Control. And that’s where the iPad comes in. It is the control surface, controlling the DSP and mixer parameters but no audio processing occurs in the iPad at all. All the magic happens in the mixer itself which is powerful and able to produce undeniably professional sound quality.
A little scenario for you: A costumer of mine has a DL1608 with a docked iPad in a remote location with no access to Wi-Fi. A musician visits the place and brings his own iPad as he owns a DL1608 himself. That musician has a newer revision of the MF installed and updates the firmware. He does his stuff, leaves and the very next day I get a complaint from a seriously angry costumer that quote: "I want to swap this Mackie (and some words I´m not allowed to utter) for something that works." His only needs was to move a fader up and down and mute a CD player. Which he couldn't because his iPad couldn't connect due to a ridiculous decision to match firmware with software at all costs. End of story: He told his colleagues about this and they all bought conventional analogue mixers from another brand.
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Solved my problem.
My DL32R was configured for a IP address and not DHCP.
It seems that MF 4.5 updates and comes up as DHCP and not the IP address that it was configured for.
I used another ipad to select another IP address and that one update the DL32R.
I am happy now.
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A little scenario for you: A costumer of mine has a DL1608 with a docked iPad in a remote location with no access to Wi-Fi. A musician visits the place and brings his own iPad as he owns a DL1608 himself. That musician has a newer revision of the MF installed and updates the firmware. He does his stuff, leaves and the very next day I get a complaint from a seriously angry costumer that quote: "I want to swap this Mackie (and some words I´m not allowed to utter) for something that works." His only needs was to move a fader up and down and mute a CD player. Which he couldn't because his iPad couldn't connect due to a ridiculous decision to match firmware with software at all costs. End of story: He told his colleagues about this and they all bought conventional analogue mixers from another brand.
I've yet to be convinced that Mackie brought in real world sound and installation guys (particularly at the low end) to consult on their design. OTOH Behringer had the benefit of watching the deployment of the DL1608 in designing theirs - in fact we know that the X-Air was delayed at least once for an almost total redesign. I'd have to say I'd not have predicted that the strict lockstep between firmware and app was a bad idea - but I don't see why they couldn't "fix" that in future releases? Instead of that lame obsolete "classic" version I'd have a "simple" mode in the latest and greatest, maybe even the default not having comps, gates, subgroups, DCAs, etc - only the"vintage" EQ and other controls to make it as close to a MixWiz as possible. As you found out there's a BIG installs market for a simple analog-like mixer that doesn't take a rocket scientist to operate. Mackie could dominate there. Behringer is crippled by their Uri-itis ;) but unfortunately Mackie seems crippled by their non-market focused marketing droids. The good news for all is none have done much better than their competition so far...
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BTW. My DL1608 upgrade went smooth as butter on my IOS 9.3.5 iPad 3rd gen.
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As an aside - the firmware on an X-Air is separate from the apps and you can mostly mix and match the firmware and apps. I suspect that works as long as the firmware is the same age or newer than the app? OTOH their ability to keep up the apps with newer firmware features is pretty dismal - their iOS app in particular is looooong overdue for an update x( .
This is one of the weaknesses with locking stuff to platform deoendent apps. I understand that you need the latest software with the latest firmware for all functions to work, but common parameters could easily have been made to work. With an open protocol like OSC users could map what they need regardless of what MF does.
Actually not. If newer features are introduced through software and hardware, a firmware update would be required sometimes for hardware with one OS or multiple OS supported. OSC is a control spec, whereas Master Fader is control and more - you're harnessing the power of your iPad. Very different from using a tablet with OSC or touch OSC to control a 01v96 - it's just sending MIDI.
OSC is not MIDI, get your "facts" straight. It's a network protocol just like what Master Fader uses, but it's open source and not a proprietary protocol made unavailable to others. StereoScope and OSCulator translates OSC to MIDI, so yes, the Yamaha is MIDI, but I'm not talking directly to that one. Motu uses OSC and JSON. The only thing the iPad adds to a DL1608 is recording to a docked device. Everything else can be done by pure protocol.
It should be straight forward to grey out functions not available in the firmware in MF 4.5. Newest software should have no problems with manipulating old firmware unless there are complete overhauls of the underlaying structure (address changes and so forth). In theory MF 4.5 should be able to control the basics of even the oldest revision of the DL1608 without needing to upgrade firmware. The other way around could be more problematic, and certainly one needs the latest of everything to utilize all new functions, but straight fader adjustment, muting, paning should be possible with all iterations of the MF without needing a download. Of course one needs the latest of everything to utilize all new functions. This is just Mackie being attracted to/forced by the Apple planned obsolescence policy.
The first thing Mackie mentions about their DL series in their faq section:
1. What does a DL Series mixer do? What does the iPad do?
It’s simple. The mixer itself does all the heavy lifting.
Onyx mic pres amplify the signal. High-end AD converters convert this to digital. The powerful DSP chip processes and mixes this through the low latency mix engine. What’s missing? Control. And that’s where the iPad comes in. It is the control surface, controlling the DSP and mixer parameters but no audio processing occurs in the iPad at all. All the magic happens in the mixer itself which is powerful and able to produce undeniably professional sound quality.
A little scenario for you: A costumer of mine has a DL1608 with a docked iPad in a remote location with no access to Wi-Fi. A musician visits the place and brings his own iPad as he owns a DL1608 himself. That musician has a newer revision of the MF installed and updates the firmware. He does his stuff, leaves and the very next day I get a complaint from a seriously angry costumer that quote: "I want to swap this Mackie (and some words I´m not allowed to utter) for something that works." His only needs was to move a fader up and down and mute a CD player. Which he couldn't because his iPad couldn't connect due to a ridiculous decision to match firmware with software at all costs. End of story: He told his colleagues about this and they all bought conventional analogue mixers from another brand.
thanks for clarifying. I did oversimplify on OSC, but aware of it's origins at CNMAT and that it does much more than MIDI. I also thought the iPad was doing more of the heavy lifting, but thanks for correcting me there as well
As for your customer, sorry, but that's his own fault. Most people I know don't allow any outside users to change settings, update firmware on their equipment (!) or other items without express approval from them. And if all he's using a DL1608 for is a fader and musing a CD player, there are a lot of great analog mixers that can do that for a lot less. Don't confuse poor judgement on your customer's part with a company's decision to link software and firmware updates.
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Thing is the DL1608 was updated by someone who hadn't asked for permission. Sure the costumer could have taken his precautions, but thing is that if Mackie didn't hard lock the firmware to the software, he would be happily unknowing of the new features in the new firmware and this would never been an issue.
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Understand you're not a fan of the software and firmware link, but with a lot of connected devices, this is standard as you have new features. In consumer electronics, both Sphero, the Wonder Workshop Dash and Dot, and Ozobot all require you to update the firmware with some new releases, and once the firmware is updated, you need to update the app or it won't connect. I'm not a programmer so can't tell you the pro's and con's, but there has to be good reason to do this. On several of these, that update is with iOS and Android & Kindle apps, so it may not be a one OS thing.
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Im not sure but, if im correct if u force and firmware update u can go back to an early version
Did this for mf classic and went back to mf4
So u should be able to go back from mf4.5 back mf4
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Solved my problem.
My DL32R was configured for a IP address and not DHCP.
It seems that MF 4.5 updates and comes up as DHCP and not the IP address that it was configured for.
I used another ipad to select another IP address and that one update the DL32R.
I am happy now.
Thanks for the work-around I've got mine working now. Fortunate that we have other devices with the old app installed. What about all the guys out there with one device and no way to go back, they're screwed. This isn't acceptable, I've never had problems using a static IP to do firmware updates in the past.
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I am guessing that Mackie has an internal app (like most connected device companies) that allows them to upgrade or downgrade firmware on devices, which is critical when testing new builds.
The challenge is that normally those apps are on closed systems - TestFlight, Microsoft HockeyApp, or a private server where they'd need your UDID to grant you access. But there are examples of utility apps for the public on OS X that do allow you to upgrade/downgrade the firmware, such as Avid's mBox, but not aware of this on the iOS side for public use.
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I am guessing that Mackie has an internal app (like most connected device companies) that allows them to upgrade or downgrade firmware on devices, which is critical when testing new builds.
The challenge is that normally those apps are on closed systems - TestFlight, Microsoft HockeyApp, or a private server where they'd need your UDID to grant you access. But there are examples of utility apps for the public on OS X that do allow you to upgrade/downgrade the firmware, such as Avid's mBox, but not aware of this on the iOS side for public use.
Weather or not the means exist to do this is small consolation for someone locked out of their system. I cannot believe this problem didn't show up during BETA testing.
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What about all the guys out there with one device and no way to go back, they're screwed. This isn't acceptable,
Not quite. The iPad that initiated the update, still had the "Abort" button. They could abort the process and start over. Which is essentially what I did with the second iPad (which was updated to 4.5 also).
You just have to have a little intestinal fortitude to press the "Abort" even when Mackie says not to in their documentation.
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Im not sure but, if im correct if u force and firmware update u can go back to an early version
Did this for mf classic and went back to mf4
So u should be able to go back from mf4.5 back mf4
Yes. That could be done. I've done that numerous times. Problem arrives when someone doesn't know what's going on.
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Well there is a message about a firmware mismatch, some people just dont read
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What about all the guys out there with one device and no way to go back, they're screwed. This isn't acceptable,
Not quite. The iPad that initiated the update, still had the "Abort" button. They could abort the process and start over. Which is essentially what I did with the second iPad (which was updated to 4.5 also).
When I did that, the abort button did nothing. There was no option to change IP settings to DHCP. This option is only available when connected, however as soon as it connected the firmware update screen would popup and cover the setup button. If I chose NO it would disconnect and send me back to square one. I was able to get into the IP setup screen by using a ipad that still had the old app on it. I'll say it again, this should have been caught during the BETA phase.
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A little scenario for you: A costumer of mine has a DL1608 with a docked iPad in a remote location with no access to Wi-Fi. A musician visits the place and brings his own iPad as he owns a DL1608 himself. That musician has a newer revision of the MF installed and updates the firmware. He does his stuff, leaves and the very next day I get a complaint from a seriously angry costumer that quote: "I want to swap this Mackie (and some words I´m not allowed to utter) for something that works." His only needs was to move a fader up and down and mute a CD player. Which he couldn't because his iPad couldn't connect due to a ridiculous decision to match firmware with software at all costs. End of story: He told his colleagues about this and they all bought conventional analogue mixers from another brand.
All he had to do was reset the mixer and downgrade the firmware from his app. People who aren't competent with computers probably shouldn't rely on them, or should work with a vendor who can provide proper tech support.
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I am guessing that Mackie has an internal app (like most connected device companies) that allows them to upgrade or downgrade firmware on devices, which is critical when testing new builds.
If you have a DL, you have the same app. It's called Master Fader.
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A little scenario for you: A costumer of mine has a DL1608 with a docked iPad in a remote location with no access to Wi-Fi. A musician visits the place and brings his own iPad as he owns a DL1608 himself. That musician has a newer revision of the MF installed and updates the firmware. He does his stuff, leaves and the very next day I get a complaint from a seriously angry costumer that quote: "I want to swap this Mackie (and some words I´m not allowed to utter) for something that works." His only needs was to move a fader up and down and mute a CD player. Which he couldn't because his iPad couldn't connect due to a ridiculous decision to match firmware with software at all costs. End of story: He told his colleagues about this and they all bought conventional analogue mixers from another brand.
All he had to do was reset the mixer and downgrade the firmware from his app. People who aren't competent with computers probably shouldn't rely on them, or should work with a vendor who can provide proper tech support.
I had no problem getting it back to working order, but they could not run the risk of this happening again. It was an after ski resort with many different users. They initially bought the mixer based on a recommendation from a local musician.
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Oh man, can we all just stop bashing on Mackie over what you feel are disadvantages of using only IOS, or tying their revisions to firmware, yada yada?
I get it, some of you want Android, or PC, or some open source access - I wouldn't mind it myself, buttttt, from the start, you knew going in that the Mackie was iPad-centric.
Surely you didn't buy a DL* thinking it would one day change?
I'm the last person on the planet to say the iPad is great, I'm not some fanboy. I would have never probably purchased an iPad except for it was required for the DL1608. Seriously.
So, I accept that we are locked to IOS only (for now?)
I also accept that in order for Mackie to continue their development process in the way that is comfortable for them, they also implement firmware updates into MF releases. It's okay.
Sure, it can get confusing, like in my case, where I have had multiple DLs and iPads, some mine, some not mind, and keeping them all in sync is important.
Case in point - updated my primary iPad Pro to latest MF 4.5, which required me to update our production DL32R to latest firmware, and obviously, all the other iPads I use on stage had to be upgraded.
I sent an email to our guitarist and reminded him to download MF 4.5 for his iPhone before the show tomorrow.
The problem will come when I go to run sound for a business that I have a DL1608 at - it has not been updated... So, I will have to arrive early, perform that update, update their 2 iPads.
And again, when I run sound for another group, who as far as I know has the old MF on their phones and tablets - it will have to be updated for them to control my DL*
I accept this is how it is..... I wish you could to... It's how it is - it's how it has always been.
We will survive.
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REALLY REALLY digging the reverb improvements.
I was able to get the 'verb we use for VOX dialed in to where it sounds incredible.
In haven't had a reverb this good in years without using an outboard processor (on the DL1608 or DL32R)
SOO much better than the old ones. Better than my A&H ZED & Presonus 2442.
I wish I had recorded the difference. It's night and day. It's ALIVE.......
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I was on the fence until previous user metacon advertized he would release an Android app running OSC alongside MF. Then suddenly he was approached by Mackie and since then it's been all quiet. Hope ressurected when AMPMIX announced support for the DL series, but it's been 2 years now... If we all acted like sheep and followed the "leader", we would still be grunting and picking our noses in some forest.
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Just a quick note on my update experience: I was kind of weary about it after the reports of hanging updates, e.g. by the guy from Germany. My starting point was a DL1608 with MF3 on an iPad 2 running iOS 8, all working fine in that config albeit newer HW/SW combinations are certainly much more powerful. My main concern was if the update would go through without frying my system and if so, how it would behave afterwards. I have a gig tomorrow and was torn if I should take the plunge. After reviewing the Mackie release info I couldn't resist anymore, I definitely wanted the improved reverb and the RTAs on input channels.
Long story short: it worked like a charm and I am thrilled with my updated system! The responsiveness is OK, the new reverbs are fabulous and the RTAs are invaluable to quickly fight feedback and room resonances. Surely this will result in a much improved live sound. And even the show I had worked on before in MF3 and that was stored on my DL was nicely carried over, no need to load from a backup.
Not sure if it made a difference, but I rebooted the iPad before the update and made sure no other apps were running. The update was performed in docked mode. So, if you are also in doubt and have a similar configuration like me: Cross fingers and go for it, of course at your own risk. Good luck! :laugh:
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Just a quick note on my update experience: I was kind of weary about it after the reports of hanging updates, e.g. by the guy from Germany. My starting point was a DL1608 with MF3 on an iPad 2 running iOS 8, all working fine in that config albeit newer HW/SW combinations are certainly much more powerful. My main concern was if the update would go through without frying my system and if so, how it would behave afterwards. I have a gig tomorrow and was torn if I should take the plunge. After reviewing the Mackie release info I couldn't resist anymore, I definitely wanted the improved reverb and the RTAs on input channels.
Long story short: it worked like a charm and I am thrilled with my updated system! The responsiveness is OK, the new reverbs are fabulous and the RTAs are invaluable to quickly fight feedback and room resonances. Surely this will result in a much improved live sound. And even the show I had worked on before in MF3 and that was stored on my DL was nicely carried over, no need to load from a backup.
Not sure if it made a difference, but I rebooted the iPad before the update and made sure no other apps were running. The update was performed in docked mode. So, if you are also in doubt and have a similar configuration like me: Cross fingers and go for it, of course at your own risk. Good luck! :laugh:
The DL32R is different from the 1608 in that you cannot choose a hard connection. Everything Is done via WiFi and this is where the problems are. If you're running a dynamic IP addy, you'll be fine. However, if like me you are using a static IP, this is where the problem seems to be. Once I got it to stay connected, everything worked as advertised. After the firmware was updated I switched the static IP back on.
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Indeed we have confirmed a bug updating mixers with Static IP. As Soundbyte said this is mostly a problem for DL32R mixers as there is no wired USB control connection. We are looking into a fix but for now, temporarily changing the mixer to use DHCP for the update solves the problem. This may be easier said than done for some. Sorry about the inconvenience.
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We have a detail with the snapshot
When we saved over a snapshot and then close and open the MF and it synchronises it shows the panel the first name generated Snapshot ...
Example.
We started the show and saved with the name - Snapshot 1
Make a change in the show and saved with the name - Snapshot 2
The current sena is the snapshot 2 ...
Ai is the iPad turns off the display for time, or occur loss of connection or you minimize the MF - when making the synchronization is displayed in the upper right corner Snapshot 1 with **** - however the current sena is the Snapshot 2
Ends up creating a mess after synchronization ....
This is the MF 4.0 and also is occurring with MF 4.5
I have a DL1608 and also did the test in a DL32R both the iPad 4 as like the iPad Air 2
Thank you.
Temos um detalhe com os snapshot
Português Brasil
Quando salvamos mais de um snapshot e em seguida fechamos e abrimos o MF e ele faz a sincronização ele mostra no painel o nome do primeiro Snapshot gerado...
Exemplo.
Iniciamos o show e salva com o nome de - Snapshot 1
Fazemos uma alteração no show e salva com o nome de - Snapshot 2
A sena corrente é o snapshot 2...
Ai se o ipad desliga a tela pelo tempo, ou ocorra perca de conexão ou você minimiza o MF - ao fazer a sincronização é exibido no canto superior direito Snapshot 1 com **** - porem a sena corrente é a Snapshot 2
Acaba gerando uma confusão após a sincronização....
Isso ocorre no MF 4.0 e também esta ocorrendo com o M F4.5
Tenho uma DL1608 e também fiz o teste em um DL32R tanto com o Ipad 4 como como o IPAD Air 2
Obrigado.
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Indeed we have confirmed a bug updating mixers with Static IP. As Soundbyte said this is mostly a problem for DL32R mixers as there is no wired connection. We are looking into a fix but for now, temporarily changing the mixer to use DHCP for the update solves the problem. This may be easier said than done for some. Sorry about the inconvenience.
What happened to the promised wired connection BenO along with the instructions?? As I stated before you seem to put out a beta version on every minor and major upgrade, why not just call it what it is?
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Wired Ethernet Instructions:
https://supportloudtech.netx.net/loud-public/#asset/17381
But in the case of this bug, unlike the dock connection on DL806/1608, the wired Ethernet still experiences the problem.
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Why would it if the DL is on the same subnet as the control surface, unless you don't comply with the rules. Publishing the factory defaults for the network would be helpful.
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Reverb - Parabéns - obrigado mackie - TOP TOP.....
agora podemos contar com uma maquina de reverb ótima....
Obrigado Mackie.
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Anyone know if docked iPad syncing issues have been identified and/or addressed? I'm particularly keen to know if my dl will stop making multiple copies of a show - frustrating when the only way to identify the real one is rooting around in the bowels of the EQ section of the last snapshot.
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As always it's up to the customer to check out the beta. All you get from Mackie is "• Numerous bug fixes" which is B.S.. Your duplicate file issue should be a no-brain er with a "Filer" app and time stamp (third party).
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Most of us don't have access to the beta versions. Just sayin''.
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Most of us don't have access to the beta versions. Just sayin''.
If you're running V4.5.0 then you have it. :)
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Most of us don't have access to the beta versions. Just sayin''.
As WK put it, it sounds like MF 4.X is in a constant state of beta. I know, I'm probably stating the obvious once again! :facepalm:
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Well, I suppose, technically, you are correct. But 4.5 is a production version, no longer in beta.
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Well, I suppose, technically, you are correct. But 4.5 is a production version, no longer in beta.
Beta is a matter of opinion.
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Well, I suppose, technically, you are correct. But 4.5 is a production version, no longer in beta.
I agree. Isn't a lot of software constantly in a state of flux all the time? Look at Windows 10 Anniversary Update. It messed up a whole lot of computers. But back to MF 4.5, I haven't had any issues yet with it on the 1608, but I did just upgrade and haven't tested it in the real world yet. I expect that it will work as it should without any issues. But fingers crossed just the same. ;)
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Mackie IIRC tried a real beta program some time ago until they realized that they would actually have to fix the bugs. Not to profitable ;D .
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Did the first real show with the MF 4.5 and our DL32R. It was kind of important, as it was a fundraiser and Delvin Choice (from The Voice) and another local celebrity was appearing with us, so the last thing we wanted was a glitch.
Initially, I considered not upgrading, or using an another console, but after hours of testing with saved shows and tracks, and then with live inputs, I was pretty confident it would work out for us.
Lo and behold.... everything was wonderful. I'm tellin' ya, the reverbs are beautiful. That X* has nothing on this now, glad I ditched it. Blows away my Presonus and A&H built-in reverbs!
But the star of the show... the new RTA features. OMG. THANK YOU for this....
It's like a brand new mixer for me.
Should Mackie ever open it up for other platforms, it will be quite possibly my favorite mixer of all, for a long time to come too.
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Yah, with the channel RTA I'm finally considering my DL1608 to be feature complete.
I'd still love to see individual pre/post pre send per channel, but I'm not expecting it.
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I'd still love to see individual pre/post pre send per channel, but I'm not expecting it.
I need either that or a second reverb (so I can run one pre and one post).
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My use is playback for track acts, needs to be post in the monitors. I can get around it by hard patching a bus back to a channel. Be nice to have it built in, though.
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My use is playback for track acts, needs to be post in the monitors. I can get around it by hard patching a bus back to a channel. Be nice to have it built in, though.
So, you need to adjust the volume of a track in both the main mix and monitor mixes simultaneously? Why? Could you do it via a subgroup or DCA? i don't use subgroups or DCA's so don't know what limitations they have...
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RR if you're not using DCA's or subgroups you're missing out on a lot configuration features and simplifying mixing. ;)
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RR if you're not using DCA's or subgroups you're missing out on a lot configuration features and simplifying mixing. ;)
Never needed them on a MixWiz - kinda silly on a 16 channel mixer IMO, YMMV :) .
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RR if you're not using DCA's or subgroups you're missing out on a lot configuration features and simplifying mixing. ;)
Never needed them on a MixWiz - kinda silly on a 16 channel mixer IMO, YMMV :) .
Dunno, it's pretty handy when you don't have access to every fader all the time and you do have time to set up in advance.
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My use is playback for track acts, needs to be post in the monitors. I can get around it by hard patching a bus back to a channel. Be nice to have it built in, though.
So, you need to adjust the volume of a track in both the main mix and monitor mixes simultaneously?
People will walk up to me at a showcase and say "Hi, our dance company is up next, our track is here on this phone. Go when we get to places. Fade it out when we exit the stage." Mains and mons have to fade together.
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For this u can assign the aux main fader to a vca, then u can acces this fader on the main page
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RR if you're not using DCA's or subgroups you're missing out on a lot configuration features and simplifying mixing. ;)
Never needed them on a MixWiz - kinda silly on a 16 channel mixer IMO, YMMV :) .
It's a lot easier on physical faders (Mixwiz) to control multiples than on a piece of glass coaxing glow and grow. :)
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It's a lot easier on physical faders (Mixwiz) to control multiples than on a piece of glass coaxing glow and grow. :)
Sho'nuff...
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If you have the aux's for their monitor set at post fade, won't the aux volume drop right along with the main channel fader being faded out ? Then the main and monitor drop together.
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Boa noite
O ideal é poder selecionar se o canal é pré ou pós fader...
Mas como só podemos selecionar o aux inteiro. A idéia do VCA é perfeita...
Você coloca no VCA o canal que esta o mp3 do aux1 ate o aux6 e tambem do LR.... ao diminuir o volume do VCA os canais todos vao diminuir simultaneamente. ..
Antes de tudo faça um teste meamo que offline.
Valew..
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Or just do the fade-out on the phone's volume control...
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Or just do the fade-out on the phone's volume control...
And hope no one calls the phone during the song. :facepalm: :lol:
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Or just do the fade-out on the phone's volume control...
and sometimes it's a USB stick or a laptop, and there dozens of kinds of phones that have all sorts of response curves and rates for volume controls, and some devices make noise while you're operating their volume controls, and I have enough to think about without operating some random device, and I already have a lovely set of volume controls on my board that I know and would prefer to use, but, y'know, thanks for your helpful suggestion.
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Assign the playback channel and the aux(s) to the same VCA and do the fade on the VCA
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Assign the playback channel and the aux(s) to the same VCA and do the fade on the VCA
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Or just do the fade-out on the phone's volume control...
And hope no one calls the phone during the song. :facepalm: :lol:
As soon as I see a phone or iPad my first response is to ask the owner to put it in airplane mode.
USB files can be played using my own Android phone (in a/p mode, of course) using a USB OTG cable to make my phone into the USB host. £10 well spent.
Apologies for wandering OT.
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Quote from: Topsøe on Today at 12:47:00 AM
"Assign the playback channel and the aux(s) to the same VCA and do the fade on the VCA"
The aux master can't change level. Sometimes it's a track act with vocals.
There are many workarounds. The correct answer is individually configurable pre/post per aux per channel.
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I just completed my update to v4.5. Two items I've noted
1. All of my custom images from every channel were not restored with the existing show. All the channel settings including names etc appear to be restored correctly , just no images. Shouldn't take long to put them back I guess.
2. I happened to check the device settings since I use a static IP. Surprisingly each of the IP entries are completely backwards. Eg 192.168.0.98. Is now displayed as 98.0.168.192. Same for the mask and gateway. Again something I can easily correct manually but sure glad I came across it!
Just heads up
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The correct answer is individually configurable pre/post per aux per channel.
Yep, the Behringer X-Air does that as well as my ancient Phonic Summit. I think I was the one to put that on the official "wish list" although I can understand why Mackie is reluctant to add that complexity to our mixers. I think my suggestion of adding a "simple" mode to the mixer for beginners is the right thing to do rather that cripple the mixer vs other brands - especially with the DL32R which needs to compete with the "big boys". OTOH there are still a few features that the Mackie DL1608 has that the X-Air doesn't...
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BTW I just sat with someone local to help them understand the workflow of the DL1608 - they were running the monitors off the right main and the mains off the left main. Someone at Mackie support told them they had to use the left output for mains if mono - Oy Vey. IMO if the mixer is too complicated for Mackie support it really really really needs a simple mode !
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It's possible that they misunderstood what the Mackie person told them. And then one person passes that to another person, and that person passes it to another person, and so on.
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When I get ready to update to MF 4.5 what order should I do the updates as far as OS, firmware and Master Fader, or does it matter?
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When I get ready to update to MF 4.5 what order should I do the updates as far as OS, firmware and Master Fader, or does it matter?
Master Fader updates the firmware. Unless you're on a really old iOS, order shouldn't matter.
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Wired Ethernet Instructions:
https://supportloudtech.netx.net/loud-public/#asset/17381
But in the case of this bug, unlike the dock connection on DL806/1608, the wired Ethernet still experiences the problem.
BenO on the manual for the DL I commend you and whoever is the author. Just one thing that I would like to see change and is in the V4.5 Release notes and that is item #8.
"8. Numerous bug fixes and minor enhancements"
It's just not enough and here's why. First of all software projects will have bugs, it's the nature of the beast. Hiding them or giving them short shrift indicates an immature approach to the problem. The reason to list individual "bugs" is that your customers are made aware of them and don't find out the hard way at a gig. Most can be avoided with workarounds as long as we have knowledge of them. Most software companies worth their salt have this in place. Maybe Mackie can up the game. Quality large and small companies have a bug list and the status available to their users.
#8 appropriately puts you behind the 8 ball. :)
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All updates went without a hitch:) Off this weekend, but looking forward to a 3 day festival next weekend in Knoxville, to start tweakin' the 'verbs.
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Did the firmware update this weekend and like most folks I am impressed with the new verbs. Am not going to do the iOS 10 upgrade for a while since I want to wait until I hear more from others about how this went.
Since I also run sound using other people's DL series mixers I left one of my iPads with 4.0 until they do the upgrades.
I'm just wondering if there is a tutorial that explains what each of the advance reverb settings does. While I can tell the difference when I tweek the settings, it would be nice to actually understand what it is that each of these does.
So far no problems.
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I just upgraded to 4 which seemed to be what was available. maybe it is 4.5. Went smooth. I love the RTA and I really like the programmable mute feature. Finally a Break Music button.
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4.5 doesn't show up in my apps store only 4 and two other older versions.
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Almost sure if you read the details it will be 4.5. But you're right it only says 4 in the title
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You can see the version number on the help page
Martin
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I really like the programmable mute feature. Finally a Break Music button.
I hadn't noticed that.
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I fired up my DL1608 today to do a few things and I was prompted to do a firmware update. I said ok and everything went well. After, I noticed that I have MF 4.5 Build 22.004. I checked and somehow my auto updates had gotten turned on. I checked my other iPad and it also had auto update turned on. I’m wondering if this setting changed after the last OS update because it was not set like that before.
Has this happen to anyone else?
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Yep, I have caught the auto update switched on after IOS update. Thankfully I discovered it before my Master Fader app found an update.
It's the very first thing I check/correct after doing an IOS update.
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I just upgraded to 4 which seemed to be what was available. maybe it is 4.5. Went smooth. I love the RTA and I really like the programmable mute feature. Finally a Break Music button.
Where did you see a Break button?
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Hello, how are you?
Excuse my English, I am Brazilian and when I upgrade to version 4.5 had the same rene-b problem in my DL 1608.
It looks like it's a problem in updating the Firmware!
I turned off the mixer and it no longer works.
Help-me! What should I do to recover the firmware?
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Thank God could solve !!
I used the reset button of the power cable side, yet the iPad did not communicate with the mixer, even connected!
It was necessary then restart the iPad.
So I opened the MF 4 and quickly the mixer is connected.
Redid the update and it worked out !!!
I loved the RTA !!! Top
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I just upgraded to 4 which seemed to be what was available. maybe it is 4.5. Went smooth. I love the RTA and I really like the programmable mute feature. Finally a Break Music button.
Where did you see a Break button?
Programmable mute. Mute everything but playback with one button.
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Not a new feature
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Not a new feature
That's what I was thinking. I was confused.
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I was too...I was looking all over the screen for a new break button!
Same as before, useful, but not a new addition.
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I just upgraded to 4 which seemed to be what was available. maybe it is 4.5. Went smooth. I love the RTA and I really like the programmable mute feature. Finally a Break Music button.
Where did you see a Break button?
Programmable mute. Mute everything but playback with one button.
Ok so no new "Break button" just continue to use one of the four Programmable mutes as I always have.
Thank you
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Sorry about that I used my imagination on the Break Button nit. I did notice after a 3 hour mixing gig outside that both my regular and min ipads were a tad slow in their response.
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Hello everybody,
Im new to this forum, but have been using the DL1608 seamlessly since MF2 until i recently updated to MF4.5. I have never had any problems with software upgrades until now when I suddenly see that my Ipads will not connect wireless anymore. I am running a Airport Express which is connected to my home network for internet as well together with a Ipad Air and a Ipad Air Mini. Everything was working smooth before latest update to MF4.5. Looks like the the ethernet port of the DL1608 is not connected to the Airport Express (no lights either on router or dl1608 which i think i remember from previously). I have done a factory reset of DL1608 and reinstalled latest software , but nothing changed.
Everything is working fine when Ipad is docked -
Pleased to hear if somebody else has experienced this problem and if there is a way to work around it.
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I've seen some comments about issues with the IP address with MF 4.5, but I think this is one of the issues addressed in the recent update MF 4.5.1 I'd put the newest update in, update your mixer's firmware and see if the problem goes away. If not, you might have to make some changes with the mixer's IP address.
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Thanks Wynnd, I will try to assign static IP to DL1608 again and see if AE will recognize it. I have MF4.5.1 and have done a factory reset of dl1608 and updated dl1608 to same version. All new features of the 4.5.1 is working smoothly when ipad docked so no doubt it has correct software installed. I agree with you that this is an IP issue between AE and dl1608, but I cannot find a way to allow wireless control of the dl1608. Could it have anything to do with latest IOS10.0.2 update of my Ipad?
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Recommend rebooting iPad (not sleep mode). Then attempt to reestablish network connection. If necessary remove old connection and let the iPad search for the DL network. Do not run MF until you can establish a connection with the iPad setup. It's always a bad idea to change more than one variable such as MF and iOS at the same time.
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I have tried to reboot all units and set up the Airport Express again. I have updated again to MF4.5.1 and tried setting static IP as well as Dynamic on DL1608, but there is no way the router will recognize the dl1608 - I fear the Ethernet connection of the dl1608 may be damaged. The mixer has never been moved from our rehearsal studio and only 1 year old so its a shame if its a physical fault. Will try to contact Mackie tech support tomorrow to ask their opinion.
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Do you have a different router you can try the system with. Something not part of your home/studio wifi system
The Mackie seems to work best with a stand alone router.
I have the airport express also and it seems to work fine with the DL,IOS10 and 4.5
But if I try the airport express with my X32 , it will not recognize the router at all
I learned to use a cheap linksys with the behringer.
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Master Fader V4.5.1 Released!
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