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Title: MF 5.1.1 Released
Post by: JohnMHoyt on June 10, 2020, 08:34:56 PM
What?!   Master Fader 5.1.1 has been released!

https://mackie.com/sites/default/files/Master%20Fader%20V5_1_1%20Release%20Notes.pdf

UPDATE:
I installed it on two iPads and iPhone, updated mixer firmware and tested it out.

Documented crash I reported is fixed.

Sliders seem much smoother and no more jumpiness.

Linked channel issue is fixed.

Nice!

Title: Re: MF 5.1.1 Released
Post by: JohnMHoyt on June 10, 2020, 10:19:53 PM
Hrmmmm I may be dreaming, but I was sure that originally, MF 5.1 was able to be downloaded to my Pixel 4 XL and see the mixer.

It downloads fine from the Google Play store, and it runs, but it doesn't show the DL32R online.

Again, it's been since March since I played with it - I may be confused!
Title: Re: MF 5.1.1 Released
Post by: Wynnd on June 11, 2020, 02:08:34 PM
This is good news.  I honestly worried that Mackie had stopped all software development for these products.  I’m very glad I’m wrong.  But I don’t have any Android devices and it was working fine for my DL16S, iPads and Windows Laptop.  Thanks MACKIE!!!!
Title: Re: MF 5.1.1 Released
Post by: JohnMHoyt on June 11, 2020, 03:07:07 PM
This is good news.  I honestly worried that Mackie had stopped all software development for these products.  I’m very glad I’m wrong.  But I don’t have any Android devices and it was working fine for my DL16S, iPads and Windows Laptop.  Thanks MACKIE!!!!

I have to try it on the Fire HD 8, 8th gen and see if it works on it.    The earlier version did.   But I wiped the device and now I will have to load the google play store back on it. =)
Title: Re: MF 5.1.1 Released
Post by: WK154 on June 11, 2020, 04:57:23 PM
The laundry list is pretty long. We'll see if it's reliable enough for a 4-6 hr. gig. Looks like recording on the DL1608 is still NG.
Title: Re: MF 5.1.1 Released
Post by: JohnMHoyt on June 11, 2020, 06:19:24 PM
The laundry list is pretty long. We'll see if it's reliable enough for a 4-6 hr. gig. Looks like recording on the DL1608 is still NG.

I just did a test to make sure the recording is working on my DL32R... whew, it is.   
That's one of the things I love about my setup - it generally works perfectly for recording every show and rehearsal.   
Title: Re: MF 5.1.1 Released
Post by: WK154 on June 12, 2020, 06:20:28 AM
Well it has lasted 7-1/2 hrs. without a disconnect with a Android Lenovo A2 and a W10 Dell XPS. Lets hope it will last the night. About the recording on a DL1608 the only issue would be the random disconnect without any indication. The other issue Mackie listed was a joke "• Undocking during playback pauses playback[DL806 / DL1608]." duh  bet it also stops if you shut off the power.   ::)  "• The playback channel count is unobtainable[DL806 / DL1608]".??? Haven't had much time to test any of this. Time to get this listed on Reverb while it still has some value. Just add an iPad to the mix to cover more bases. Let you know how it fares in the morning. The display scaling hasn't changed 13 channels + LR on a 27" 4K unit, sad. :(
Title: Re: MF 5.1.1 Released
Post by: WK154 on June 12, 2020, 03:20:13 PM
Well with three control surfaces running now at 16-1/2 hrs. (8 hrs. for the iPad) all is well. The router a Asus rt88 /ax unit and the PC are running /ax 5 GHz and the Android is on 2.4 GHz /b/g/n and the iPad 5 GHz /ac. Not sure what's behind this yet, could be the /ax or maybe MF 5.1.1.  :)
Title: Re: MF 5.1.1 Released
Post by: Wynnd on June 12, 2020, 04:27:55 PM
On my 24” touch screen monitor, I’m able to see 16 channels and L/R.  Don’t know about your problem with that monitor.  What type and model is it and what are you driving it with?
Title: Re: MF 5.1.1 Released
Post by: WK154 on June 12, 2020, 06:07:10 PM
On my 24” touch screen monitor, I’m able to see 16 channels and L/R.  Don’t know about your problem with that monitor.  What type and model is it and what are you driving it with?
It's a LG and resolution is set correct. The simple answer is that no other app is having problems with scaling other than MF. If I change scaling only the window size changes including the content within the window. The graphics card is a NVIDIA GT730. I'll check for any driver updates anyway.
The Android displays 10.5 + LR and the iPad (2019) is at a whopping 8 + LR. I can't find any scaling choices in MF. Am I missing something? Behringer gives me scaling choices as does Soundcraft via the browser.
Title: Re: MF 5.1.1 Released
Post by: dpdan on June 13, 2020, 03:37:12 AM
Hey, I just turned on my Yamaha TF Rack and opened this new 5.1.1.1.1 version of Master Fader but it is not seeing the TF Rack.... I made sure they were both on the same Wi-Fi router.... can somebody help me please?
Title: Re: MF 5.1.1 Released
Post by: WK154 on June 13, 2020, 04:14:38 AM
That's simple just get your DL32R back from that guy in Hawaii, oh I forgot their not letting anybody in these days. :) They screwed up my family get together there. >:(
Title: Re: MF 5.1.1 Released
Post by: WK154 on June 13, 2020, 05:01:14 PM
After 30 hrs. and no disconnects on my main net (Internet connection and lots of traffic) its time to go to the intranet (no Internet connection and only mixer and control surface traffic) on the AX35 (AX40) router. If I get no disconnects after a reasonable time then I can conclude that /ax provided the disconnect solution. Time will tell.  :)
One change for the W10 Netgear AX35 test is run from my Surface 7 also /ax , couldn't tie up my main system for the duration.  :)
13 hrs. and counting, so far so good.
Title: Re: MF 5.1.1 Released
Post by: Rdmitch on June 14, 2020, 07:32:02 PM
took the plunge today since most my shows are cancelled anyway and
uploaded. 5.1.1 on both the 16 and 32.  Only to find that 2 of my ipods don’t support
this version since it requires ios 11 to run and older ipods only run up to IOS 9.somethiing.
The air2 is fine .  I was able to swap with my wife for her newer ipad since she doesn’t
use it anyway.   Next dilemma of the day,  is my 1608 is a 30 pin and guess what Mackie
discontinued?    Yep, the service kit to change the 30 pin to lightning plug. I can use the
dongle but I hate that look and don’t want the ipad sitting loose.  After searching the web
I found the kit (thank you Full Compass) and it shows in stock at only double the original
price !!!   Ordered it and hope it’s really in stock.

I still have to keep MF 4 on my pads since there are shows I do that I log into the house
Mackie board which I’m sure they will never update

Now..I have to learn the new V5.1.1
Been 3 months since I  ran the program or even turned on the board. This virus stuff really
has been a royal pain

 
Title: Re: MF 5.1.1 Released
Post by: Wynnd on June 14, 2020, 08:34:28 PM
You will like the changes with MF 5.1.1. (Obviously you hadn’t upgraded to MF 5.1 as that also won’t run on iOS 9.x.   Biggest thing is much better effects.  It’s all good stuff.
Title: Re: MF 5.1.1 Released
Post by: JohnMHoyt on June 14, 2020, 08:50:10 PM
First rehearsal with my 4 piece band since upgrading our DL32R to MF 5.1.1....   

The previous rehearsal allowed me to record the entire rehearsal in multi-track direct to disk.

We got about 1.5 hours in and I noticed the iPad was no longer showing the recording active.

Took the drive to a computer and there were 8  file1-file8.wav files that were 8:59 long, and then file9.wav and file10.wav were 19:02 long each.   Which is VERY odd, they are usually all the same length.
That's recording 26 channels.

Not sure why it stopped.   

The iPad never disconnected that I saw, nobody saw their's disconnect and everything sounded okay, nothing odd.

Guess I will try to do another recording that is 1.5 hours and 26 tracks and see what happens.

Just a word of warning that there may be a limit now, either by accident or on purpose.   
Title: Re: MF 5.1.1 Released
Post by: Rdmitch on June 14, 2020, 08:51:24 PM
correct, after the first round of bad reviews i avoided the 5.? update.
Do look forward to using this new one, I already iike the enhanced fx.
Just have to get used to the mechanics of moving thru screens quickly and efficiently
again.
Title: Re: MF 5.1.1 Released
Post by: DigtheDL on June 14, 2020, 10:59:21 PM
Rdmitch, I have the same issue with my DL1608.  It has the 30 pin connector and I'd like to step up to a newer iPad and MF 5.1.1

B&H says they'll have some of the Lightning kits in the next week.  Hope that's true.

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1019813-REG/mackie_lightning_dock_servicekit_dl806_dl1608_lightning_dock_replacement.html
Title: Re: MF 5.1.1 Released
Post by: WK154 on June 14, 2020, 11:09:14 PM
took the plunge today since most my shows are cancelled anyway and
uploaded. 5.1.1 on both the 16 and 32.  Only to find that 2 of my ipods don’t support
this version since it requires ios 11 to run and older ipods only run up to IOS 9.somethiing.
The air2 is fine .  I was able to swap with my wife for her newer ipad since she doesn’t
use it anyway.   Next dilemma of the day,  is my 1608 is a 30 pin and guess what Mackie
discontinued?    Yep, the service kit to change the 30 pin to lightning plug. I can use the
dongle but I hate that look and don’t want the ipad sitting loose.  After searching the web
I found the kit (thank you Full Compass) and it shows in stock at only double the original
price !!!   Ordered it and hope it’s really in stock



I still have to keep MF 4 on my pads since there are shows I do that I log into the house
Mackie board which I’m sure they will never update

Now..I have to learn the new V5.1.1
Been 3 months since I  ran the program or even turned on the board. This virus stuff really
has been a royal pain

Your in luck if its not in stock a waste of $$. I would never us the stereo iPad feature. Get a separate way to record what you sound like in the audience, it will be an eyeopener. Most phones have a flat response and you find out what you sound like too the audience. Using the Dl1608 as only WiFi or connected wired to a router for control is the best way.
Title: Re: MF 5.1.1 Released
Post by: Rdmitch on June 15, 2020, 01:04:28 AM
the adaptor,has nothing to do with recording. it’s so I can dock the ipad air 2 with the lightning plug into the 1608.
Just replaces the old 30 pin connector.
Sorry if I was not clear on the OP
Title: Re: MF 5.1.1 Released
Post by: Rdmitch on June 15, 2020, 01:06:48 AM
Rdmitch, I have the same issue with my DL1608.  It has the 30 pin connector and I'd like to step up to a newer iPad and MF 5.1.1

B&H says they'll have some of the Lightning kits in the next week.  Hope that's true.

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1019813-REG/mackie_lightning_dock_servicekit_dl806_dl1608_lightning_dock_replacement.html
I checked their site and it showed mid june. Tried to use the notify me when in stock button which got me nowhere.
The other sites show its discontinued and thought maybe B&H would end up not getting any. Paid too much I’m sure, but wanted to get it ordered while I had a bug up my butt about the project getting done.
Title: Re: MF 5.1.1 Released
Post by: WK154 on June 15, 2020, 03:07:04 PM
46 hrs. should be enough and no disconnects but it only applies to the two routers mentioned an of course only residential traffic. This could change in a gig with lots of phones when its allowed again. The /ac routers did have disconnects in this setting so /ax seemed to solve this problem.
Now for function tests when I have time.
Title: Re: MF 5.1.1 Released
Post by: JohnMHoyt on June 15, 2020, 03:22:43 PM
46 hrs. should be enough and no disconnects but it only applies to the two routers mentioned an of course only residential traffic. This could change in a gig with lots of phones when its allowed again. The /ac routers did have disconnects in this setting so /ax seemed to solve this problem.
Now for function tests when I have time.

No disconnects with 3 tablets connected since I installed the update 5 days ago...  VERY heavy RF environment. Over 50 devices on just my business network with 8 APs live in addition to the one in the sound system.

The only concern has been that after 10 .wav files and 112 minutes of recording, the recording of 26 tracks stopped.     Have not had time to test it further.

Allllll the other issues I was having, such as when a person connected, they could adjust the MAINS instead of their own aux mix, even though it said they were blocked out, have apparently been fixed...

Faders moving smoother....... 
Crashing not happening upon startup of some tablets without reloading/saving the show or making changes on another tablet.

I'm much happier!
Title: Re: MF 5.1.1 Released
Post by: WK154 on June 15, 2020, 03:46:42 PM
What's the router your DL is connected to, /ac or /ax? Name and model will do.
Title: Re: MF 5.1.1 Released
Post by: JohnMHoyt on June 15, 2020, 04:07:14 PM
What's the router your DL is connected to, /ac or /ax? Name and model will do.

Right now back to the old Apple Airport Express as I pulled the SonicWall TZ350W off of it during our "quarantine" and sold it to a client that needed it to setup VPN for his business and have not replaced it yet.

I've got a couple TP-Link AX3000s in stock, but have not tried them since there's nothing to be gained in this system for me.    With the SonicWall, I can use directional antennas, but have not needed to.
Well, since March, I've only needed 20ft max =)
Title: Re: MF 5.1.1 Released
Post by: WK154 on June 15, 2020, 04:42:47 PM
So from what you are telling me is that you have been running (Continuously?) for 5 days on a AE (/ac unit). I'm trying to figure out if MF5.1.1 (MF5.1.0 failed but under /ac units) fixed disconnects or /ax. I really didn't want to go back to /ac routers since my current net is /ax. The /ax addresses the high traffic problem that /ac doesn't but even helps /ac clients.

P.S. I doubt anyone is willing to spent $450+ for a router unless its for business use such as your SonicWall TZ350W . The TP-Link AX3000s would be more likely candidates.
Title: Re: MF 5.1.1 Released
Post by: JohnMHoyt on June 15, 2020, 04:50:07 PM
So from what you are telling me is that you have been running (Continuously?) for 5 days on a AE (/ac unit). I'm trying to figure out if MF5.1.1 (MF5.1.0 failed but under /ac units) fixed disconnects or /ax. I really didn't want to go back to /ac routers since my current net is /ax. The /ax addresses the high traffic problem that /ac doesn't but even helps /ac clients.

P.S. I doubt anyone is willing to spent $450+ for a router unless its for business use such as your SonicWall TZ350W .

The TP Links I have are ax, the SonicWall is still only ac...         I have not used the TPLink on the sound system, but I used it's Asus counterpart AX3000 as a test and with it, I was getting disconnects so I ditched it and pulled the SonicWall out of stock.    After this week's show, I'll try to pull a TPLink out and give it a shot.  I think they are 130ish my cost. Not bank breakers by any means.
Title: Re: MF 5.1.1 Released
Post by: WK154 on June 15, 2020, 07:43:56 PM
For this application I would prefer a router without external antenna but haven't found any /ax capable, its less likely to be damaged (haven't looked much). Let us know how the Archer (TP-Link) AX-3000 works out.
Title: Re: MF 5.1.1 Released
Post by: JohnMHoyt on June 15, 2020, 07:48:05 PM
For this application I would prefer a router without external antenna but haven't found any /ax capable, its less likely to be damaged (haven't looked much). Let us know how the Archer (TP-Link) AX-3000 woks out.
I like external capability because I have the thing in my rack, and that does attenuate the signal a good bit.  Having a little yagi at festival shows in downtown areas with heavy RF can ensure no drop out at all, even 300ft away.
Title: Re: MF 5.1.1 Released
Post by: WK154 on June 17, 2020, 07:00:43 AM
I decided to retest the /ac router to determine whether MF 5.1.1 or /ax was the solution to disconnects. It is now 21hrs. on the Netgear AC3000 (R7900) without failure. I would have to conclude that Mackie finally fixed the problem in V5.1.1.  :thu: Hope it holds out over the next 10-15 hrs.
Title: Re: MF 5.1.1 Released
Post by: JohnMHoyt on June 17, 2020, 01:46:16 PM
I decided to retest the /ac router to determine whether MF 5.1.1 or /ax was the solution to disconnects. It is now 21hrs. on the Netgear AC3000 (R7900) without failure. I would have to conclude that Mackie finally fixed the problem in V5.1.1.  :thu: Hope it holds out over the next 10-15 hrs.

After we last spoke, I pulled out one of the cheap AC3000s I have and used that... no disconnects at all in a day or so.       I'm just going to go back to the Airport though because it's soooo much smaller and right now, I'm just using it in my studio with only TWO gigs on the calendar in the next month.  (normally it would be about 6-10 shows in the same time).
Title: Re: MF 5.1.1 Released
Post by: WK154 on June 17, 2020, 02:49:25 PM
I decided to retest the /ac router to determine whether MF 5.1.1 or /ax was the solution to disconnects. It is now 21hrs. on the Netgear AC3000 (R7900) without failure. I would have to conclude that Mackie finally fixed the problem in V5.1.1.  :thu: Hope it holds out over the next 10-15 hrs.

After we last spoke, I pulled out one of the cheap AC3000s I have and used that... no disconnects at all in a day or so.       I'm just going to go back to the Airport though because it's soooo much smaller and right now, I'm just using it in my studio with only TWO gigs on the calendar in the next month.  (normally it would be about 6-10 shows in the same time).
I think you meant the TP-Link AX3000. My Netgear AC3000 is still going at 28 hrs. The real problem can't be tested right now and I don't have a way to flood the frequency to delay the beacon message and cause a delay. This is the real cause for disconnects. It's controlled by the individual clients not receiving beacon messages which varies with iOS, Android and the PC's app.
Title: Re: MF 5.1.1 Released
Post by: JohnMHoyt on June 17, 2020, 02:55:23 PM

I think you meant the TP-Link AX3000. My Netgear AC3000 is still going at 28 hrs. The real problem can't be tested right now and I don't have a way to flood the frequency to delay the beacon message and cause a delay. This is the real cause for disconnects. It's controlled by the individual clients not receiving beacon messages which varies with iOS, Android and the PC's app.

TP-Link AX3000, yes...   sorry.   I've got quite a few different routers and APs on the mind the last few days...    hahaha   We just installed 19 Ubiquiti AC PRO APs at a church yesterday, finishing up an install that required a lot - A LOT - of cable pulling.. whew.   Glad to have that one done!   nice setup.   Now I get to update their fiber on Friday.
Title: Re: MF 5.1.1 Released
Post by: WK154 on June 18, 2020, 04:19:09 AM
Shutting things down after 42 hrs. no disconnects. For now I conclude that MF V5.1.1 has solved the disconnect problem. Keep in mind that 38 access points mostly at a low signal level is no match for a bunch of phones within 20-40 ft. Time will tell.
Title: Re: MF 5.1.1 Released
Post by: Rdmitch on June 18, 2020, 09:05:22 PM
all my updates are done, installed the service pack lightning plug adaptor kit on my 1608 so I can use my  “other” ipad (ios 11)with the MF 5.1.1program.
Seems to work well except for some reason it will not play music off the ipad thru the dedicated ipad channel. Anyone experience this phenomenon?
Title: Re: MF 5.1.1 Released
Post by: WK154 on June 18, 2020, 10:01:08 PM
all my updates are done, installed the service pack lightning plug adaptor kit on my 1608 so I can use my  “other” ipad (ios 11)with the MF 5.1.1program.
Seems to work well except for some reason it will not play music off the ipad thru the dedicated ipad channel. Anyone experience this phenomenon?
It's one of the known problems according to the Mackie 5.1.1 release notes that I mentioned earlier on.  http://cacophony.aspinock.com/index.php?topic=1570.msg18492#msg18492
and  http://cacophony.aspinock.com/index.php?topic=1570.msg18495#msg18495
So for now you didn't need the lightning kit just to lock it in since you have no playback or recording.
Wait for MF V5.1.2  :)
Title: Re: MF 5.1.1 Released
Post by: DigtheDL on June 18, 2020, 11:49:00 PM
all my updates are done, installed the service pack lightning plug adaptor kit on my 1608 so I can use my  “other” ipad (ios 11)with the MF 5.1.1program.
Seems to work well except for some reason it will not play music off the ipad thru the dedicated ipad channel. Anyone experience this phenomenon?

Rdmitch, I'm glad the update worked out for you.  B&H got their adapter kits in and I'm thinking about making the jump to MF 5.1.1 as well.  Playing music from the iPad or recording is not important to me.  No hurry, but please let me know if you think the new features on MF 5.1.1 are worth it.  Thanks!
Title: Re: MF 5.1.1 Released
Post by: Rdmitch on June 18, 2020, 11:59:53 PM
up in the air on this.
if I only had a 1608 i would say not worth losing the ability to play music directly from the ipad.
Really very minimal to gain from MF4..no added quantity of fx but a few new ones.  I am a little disappointed that the fx screen scroll up on each channel is gone. I  had no issue with the
original effects. i  had to put in the adaptor and upgrade to a ipad gen 4 to meet the ios 11 requirement.
I can remove the new adaptor i just bought and go back to the 30 pin which worked fine in the playback mode until they
fix this glitch.

but since i mostly run a DL32 and now get 4 upgrades FX it was worth it overall. i can survive without the ipad playback on the 1608 in order to have MF 5.1.1 on both my setups. 
Title: Re: MF 5.1.1 Released
Post by: DigtheDL on June 19, 2020, 05:08:27 PM
Rdmitch, thanks for the great summary.  I just have a DL1608 so probably not worth it for me.  I bought my DL when they first came out and I've been impressed with all the updates and new capabilities that Mackie has provided.  It's gotten a lot of use and has been very reliable.  Probably our biggest issue was iPad's overheating in outdoor summer shows.  It'll be time to move on to something newer eventually but I'm not in a hurry.
Title: Re: MF 5.1.1 Released
Post by: Rdmitch on June 19, 2020, 06:06:21 PM
no problem. 
i’m still deciding if i should stick with the lightning plug and forsake the ipad connection or go back to the
30 pin with the adaptor and lose the security of locking it in place.
Had same issue with heat. i took one of those reflective aluminum things you put in you car window to
keep the heat out and drape it over the board on a little metal stand.
 Also have a small usb fan that blows on the ipad when i carry it around undocked.  Just plug the fan
into to power block that fits in my pocket.  has saved me a few times in summer.

Overall I have no issues with the 1608 and have done over 300 shows with it.
Keep it clean, carry a spare cable, router and power cord with me and it’s always served me
well
Title: Re: MF 5.1.1 Released
Post by: Wynnd on June 20, 2020, 12:06:53 AM
Today I did sound for a Juneteenth celebration.  It was on the West Steps of the Colorado Capitol building.  My first time downtown since the lockdown.  Bunch of graffiti on the building.  I'm guessing from the rioting.  Some windows boarded up too.  Anyway, back to my DL16S and MF 5.1.1.  I really didn't have any problems that bugged me about MF 5.1, so the changes are nice, but not much to worry about.  I really love this mixer.  Had one of the local TV stations looking for a Mult Box.  I gave him a connection to Aux 1 and he was quite happy.  While I was typing this, the TV station report came on and a whole 3 seconds of audio that had come through the PA was part of it.  System was up for about 5 hours.  About 1500 in the audience and rain mostly masked.  (And people in Denver really hate rain as it happens so rarely.)
Title: Re: MF 5.1.1 Released
Post by: WK154 on June 20, 2020, 04:41:07 PM
i'm still deciding if i should stick with the lightning plug and forsake the iPad connection or go back to the
30 pin with the adapter and lose the security of locking it in place.
Just remove the 30 pin board preferably with the cables that go to the main board and you will have the room to just lock the iPad and use it via WiFi. You will also avoid the ground loop noise from that connection to the iPad. This was all discussed years ago when the "white noise" became a problem for some.
Title: Re: MF 5.1.1 Released
Post by: stevegarris on June 20, 2020, 05:15:02 PM


Had same issue with heat. i took one of those reflective aluminum things you put in you car window to
keep the heat out and drape it over the board on a little metal stand.
 

I did the exact same thing and never had an iPad overheat again. I'll admit I live in the Pac NW where it doesn't get that hot, so YMMV.
Title: Re: MF 5.1.1 Released
Post by: Rdmitch on June 20, 2020, 08:04:59 PM
i pulled out the lightning connector today and went back to the 30 pin with the dongle.
i was going to leave it with the lightning plug until i realized with the ipad docked it doesn’t charge.
No charge and no music was not a good thing and outweighed the ipad security.  I’ll find other options
to keep it in place during transport.

once they figure out this glitch(s) i’ll reinstall the adaptor.
Title: Re: MF 5.1.1 Released
Post by: WK154 on June 20, 2020, 10:46:17 PM
i was going to leave it with the lightning plug until i realized with the ipad docked it doesn’t charge.
Both the 30pin and lightning charge the iPad (slowly) unless the Dl1608 is off or the 5V is defective.
Title: Re: MF 5.1.1 Released
Post by: Rdmitch on June 20, 2020, 11:18:13 PM
i was going to leave it with the lightning plug until i realized with the ipad docked it doesn’t charge.
Both the 30pin and lightning charge the iPad (slowly) unless the Dl1608 is off or the 5V is defective.
i think it is supposed to, but with the lightning plug dock installed it shows not charging at all.
As soon as I went back to the 30 pin, it showed charging just fine.

Since I use this one more for home practice it’s not a critical piece of gear.  The 32R gets the road use.
Title: Re: MF 5.1.1 Released
Post by: WK154 on June 21, 2020, 05:23:22 PM
Since the DL1608 is providing the 5V (per 30 pin) and the Lightning is not passing it thru to the iPad leaves only one conclusion, you have a defective Lightning kit. So when the software is fixed you will still have no charging. Charging is not a software function. Hope you can get it replaced under warranty.
Title: Re: MF 5.1.1 Released
Post by: Wynnd on June 21, 2020, 07:48:47 PM
And more importantly, the connectors will keep an iPad at full charge while running.  If you have one of those 14 hour gigs, that becomes important.
Title: Re: MF 5.1.1 Released
Post by: Rdmitch on June 21, 2020, 08:08:39 PM
Excellent points... I have sent an email off to the supplier describing the possible problem.
Since I have no plans to reinstall it until the music playing glitch is resolved, I am not in any
rush to reinstall the service kit.  Just want to protect the warranty for now since by the time Mackie does another update
this part will be well out of its warranty period.

Title: Re: MF 5.1.1 Released
Post by: Rdmitch on June 25, 2020, 11:10:28 PM
just a follow up that Full Compass is replacing the service kit (30 pin to lightning plug) that doesn’t seem to convey power to charge the connected ipad.
i’ll be curious to see if the replacement solves the problem, or whether it’s a software issue.
Ruled out hardware since the 30 pin provides power perfectly.
Title: Re: MF 5.1.1 Released
Post by: James91104 on July 03, 2020, 02:55:14 AM
To the Mackiods@Woodinville, Props and appreciation for the PC/Mac MF5.1.1 release. Demo mode for now on some touchscreen WIN10 tablets looks and responds peachy. Look forward to some real connection and audio. Cheers
Title: Re: MF 5.1.1 Released
Post by: WK154 on July 03, 2020, 11:13:19 PM
took the plunge today since most my shows are cancelled anyway and
uploaded. 5.1.1 on both the 16 and 32.  Only to find that 2 of my ipods don’t support
this version since it requires ios 11 to run and older ipods only run up to IOS 9.somethiing.
The air2 is fine .  I was able to swap with my wife for her newer ipad since she doesn’t
use it anyway.   Next dilemma of the day,  is my 1608 is a 30 pin and guess what Mackie
discontinued?    Yep, the service kit to change the 30 pin to lightning plug. I can use the
dongle but I hate that look and don’t want the ipad sitting loose.  After searching the web
I found the kit (thank you Full Compass) and it shows in stock at only double the original
price !!!   Ordered it and hope it’s really in stock.


I still have to keep MF 4 on my pads since there are shows I do that I log into the house
Mackie board which I’m sure they will never update

Now..I have to learn the new V5.1.1
Been 3 months since I  ran the program or even turned on the board. This virus stuff really
has been a royal pain
For the rest of you if its not too late order it from B&H for $49.99.
Title: Re: MF 5.1.1 Released
Post by: WK154 on July 09, 2020, 09:28:30 PM
i’ll be curious to see if the replacement solves the problem, or whether it’s a software issue.
Ruled out hardware since the 30 pin provides power perfectly.
I would check your new replacement Kit. I believe that the defective one also caused your playback issue. I have none of the problems for short term recording/playback. If it were a software issue lots more here would have this problem. There is a volume issue I need to identify between Voice Record levels and Mackie record levels.The otherwise good manual sucks on this and show/snapshot explanations (including misspelling "shapshot" of snapshot in the popups). Probably a rush job.
So when you get your replacement all should be well.
Title: Re: MF 5.1.1 Released
Post by: stevegarris on July 10, 2020, 06:45:27 PM
took the plunge today since most my shows are cancelled anyway and
uploaded. 5.1.1 on both the 16 and 32.  Only to find that 2 of my ipods don’t support
this version since it requires ios 11 to run and older ipods only run up to IOS 9.somethiing.
The air2 is fine .  I was able to swap with my wife for her newer ipad since she doesn’t
use it anyway.   Next dilemma of the day,  is my 1608 is a 30 pin and guess what Mackie
discontinued?    Yep, the service kit to change the 30 pin to lightning plug. I can use the
dongle but I hate that look and don’t want the ipad sitting loose.  After searching the web
I found the kit (thank you Full Compass) and it shows in stock at only double the original
price !!!   Ordered it and hope it’s really in stock.


I still have to keep MF 4 on my pads since there are shows I do that I log into the house
Mackie board which I’m sure they will never update

Now..I have to learn the new V5.1.1
Been 3 months since I  ran the program or even turned on the board. This virus stuff really
has been a royal pain
For the rest of you if its not too late order it from B&H for $49.99.

After reading that it was discontinued I ordered one up. Thanks!
Title: Re: MF 5.1.1 Released
Post by: Rdmitch on July 10, 2020, 07:59:38 PM
full compass has more coming in this tuesday which is when mine should come in

the part is a import and no where does it even reference mackie or loud technologies
Title: Re: MF 5.1.1 Released
Post by: WK154 on July 10, 2020, 08:13:27 PM
full compass has more coming in this tuesday which is when mine should come in

the part is a import and no where does it even reference mackie or loud technologies
I would tell them to issue you a refund and order the genuine part from B&H for less. In stock and the real part. I still don't understand why Mackie discontinued the part since they are still selling the DL1608. This could however be a indication that it's the end of life for the DL1608. They ordered the last batch of parts from their supplier and calling it quits on this product. By law they are required to provide spare parts for 7 years but do they really care? They're also notorious for charging you $10 for shipping and handling for a $0.70 pot (1604 days).
Order it today and you'll have it by Tuesday.
Title: Re: MF 5.1.1 Released
Post by: dpdan on July 10, 2020, 11:24:24 PM
B&H is a fantastic company and I have purchased tons of gear from them, but recently, Full Compass changed to free shipping with no minimum order.

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Title: Re: MF 5.1.1 Released
Post by: WK154 on July 10, 2020, 11:55:24 PM
In this case with a jacked-up price they can afford it.To say nothing of the no name clone product from China clearly illegal. I've purchased from both companies and so far it's been all good but the no name on the Lightning product raises flags. I just pulled up the Full Compass web site for this product and it looks legit, so I don't know what Rdmitch was referring to "the part is a import and no where does it even reference mackie or loud technologies " unless they send him a clone and not what was shown on their site.

Rdmitch can you clarify this?
Title: Re: MF 5.1.1 Released
Post by: Rdmitch on July 11, 2020, 09:30:35 AM
since i sent it back i can’t provide a picture of it, but when the new one arrives next week I will
see if it has any markings or if the instructions have a name on it.  I’ll snap a pic and post it for everyone.

hope it works this time, it’s an easy install to do.
Title: Re: MF 5.1.1 Released
Post by: WK154 on July 11, 2020, 04:02:43 PM
It does come in a white box with designed in the USA, made in China on it along with barcodes for UPC & PN and description which I think is what you may have been referring to. The part itself has Loud LLC on the PC board in white. I don't believe that Full Compass would deal with clones at this level. For those that don't know Mackie's manufacturing game is described here.  http://cacophony.aspinock.com/index.php?topic=687.msg6749#msg6749
I am presently testing the Playback/Record function on the DL1608 to see if there's merit to Mackie's "known problems list". Will post soon.
Title: Re: MF 5.1.1 Released
Post by: Rdmitch on July 11, 2020, 04:18:41 PM
you may be correct, i did not look at the interior circuit board for a name, only the box and the housing.
Title: Re: MF 5.1.1 Released
Post by: Rdmitch on August 02, 2020, 01:34:53 PM
following up, the new one did arrive a few weeks ago and i’ve just been so behind with the day job that i just got around to  installing it this morning.
it looks the same as the last one and all parts are marked loud technologies. After installing it i did test it running MF 5.1
and found the previous problems were gone.  The ipad properly charges and will play music thru the dedicated ipad channel on the DL16.

The original service pack i received must have been defective as the replacement seems to have resolved the issues.
Next task will be to find a way to secure the ipad onto the mixer since the newer ipads are a bit thinner and smaller than the
older ones were so it fits into the slide very loose.  i’m sure i can add some padding or something to compensate.

Title: Re: MF 5.1.1 Released
Post by: WK154 on August 02, 2020, 02:40:59 PM
I'm glad that it worked out. Few people realize that the cable contains no less than 4 IC's and other components and not just straight wiring.
https://www.techinsights.com/blog/apple-lightning-cable-teardown
 It's all about Apple's paranoia and control of the market not any technical reason, case in point USB C. The lightning communications speed is also quite out of date at only 480 Mbps. (USB 2 HS). A lot of clones don't work because they are only for charging not data.
Cheers
Title: Re: MF 5.1.1 Released
Post by: RoadRanger on September 05, 2020, 03:10:20 AM
Version 5.2 released!
http://cacophony.aspinock.com/index.php?topic=1592.0