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Unofficial Mackie User Forums => DL1608/DL806/DL32R/ProDX Mixers => Topic started by: RoadRanger on April 06, 2013, 01:57:20 AM
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[Split off of the "Master Fader V1.4 Is Here ! (http://cacophony.aspinock.com/index.php?topic=257.0)" Thread]
Good thing about the x32 rack is that you can assign 1 input to multiple channels. This way I can do exactly what you are suggesting. And I can do it to all 22 inputs.
I think you are limited to 32 total channels...
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Good thing about the x32 rack is that you can assign 1 input to multiple channels. This way I can do exactly what you are suggesting. And I can do it to all 22 inputs.
I think you are limited to 32 total channels...
You can use 40 input channels with full processing. If you add more inputs it goes up.
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You can use 40 input channels with full processing. If you add more inputs it goes up.
You're right about the 40 but I'm pretty sure adding more physical inputs doesn't increase that 40.
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You can use 40 input channels with full processing. If you add more inputs it goes up.
You're right about the 40 but I'm pretty sure adding more physical inputs doesn't increase that 40.
Correct. The X32 line supports a maximum of 40 processing channels regardless of available inputs.
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Hey RR,
Any chance you could set up an "I love Behringer vapourware and hate the Mackie DL" forum? :)
This would maybe divert the appropriate people to somewhere they can concentrate and congregate!
I'm getting tired of every thread turning into what the x32 has and the DL hasn't.
I want info and tips on the DL.
In the unlikely event that I buy the x32 or the DL ripoff, I'll go hunting Behringer forums!
Please please can you set that forum up??
General message to anyone else listening:
We got an upgrade, more likely to follow. This is good. Stay calm. Be patient.
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Hey robbocurry the "I love Behringer vapourware and hate the Mackie DL" forum did exist. It was the Mackie forums. That's why it was shut down. I am glad you love your Mackie so much that it is unlikely you would buy a superior product. It amazes me how "stuck" people can get when it comes to music gear. What also amazes me is that a ton of Mackie fanboys continue to make requests about what they would like to see in the dl that will exist in the behringer, and almost certainly never in the dl. And yet they keep saying they are "unlikely" to switch. Ignorance is bliss.
And one more thing. Please look up the definition of vaporware before you continue to use it wrong. You are making a terrible accusation by using that word. Just because something isn't available yet doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Big example is um...the dl1608. Was called vaporware itself but was never really vaporware. The term vaporware is used after a product doesn't exist. But being as though the x32 line does exist, calling it vaporware comes of as a little bit of jealousy and fanboy like. The dl was called vorporware because it Mackie announced a release date of May, then June, then July, then September and then it came out in October. I am so much more satisfied with behringers "coming soon". I don't feel like they are lying or trying to deceive me like Mackie did.
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Hey robbocurry the "I love Behringer vapourware and hate the Mackie DL" forum did exist. It was the Mackie forums. That's why it was shut down. I am glad you love your Mackie so much that it is unlikely you would buy a superior product. It amazes me how "stuck" people can get when it comes to music gear. What also amazes me is that a ton of Mackie fanboys continue to make requests about what they would like to see in the dl that will exist in the behringer, and almost certainly never in the dl. And yet they keep saying they are "unlikely" to switch. Ignorance is bliss.
And one more thing. Please look up the definition of vaporware before you continue to use it wrong. You are making a terrible accusation by using that word. Just because something isn't available yet doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Big example is um...the dl1608. Was called vaporware itself but was never really vaporware. The term vaporware is used after a product doesn't exist. But being as though the x32 line does exist, calling it vaporware comes of as a little bit of jealousy and fanboy like. The dl was called vorporware because it Mackie announced a release date of May, then June, then July, then September and then it came out in October. I am so much more satisfied with behringers "coming soon". I don't feel like they are lying or trying to deceive me like Mackie did.
I'd hardly call myself a "Mackie fanboy", this is the only piece of Mackie equipment I've ever owned in the 30 years I've been a musician. I do think that you have real vitriol for Mackie, did they shoot your dog or something? In fact i think you are a Behringer fanboy, do you have any ties to the company? Until the x32 rack is in customers hands it's an unknown quantity and the X16 is definitely "vapourware". The x32 rack and DL are in completely different price brackets here in the UK (or so it would seem). I can't see any sense in comparing them, they will be targeting very different budgets. Regarding not buying a "superior product", I already own better and more featured mixers than the Mackie. I might even buy an x32, if the warranty is very good. The Mackie doesn't have to die or be rubbish for the x32 to exist, but reading these posts you'd think that was the case. It does a job and has a feature set that we both were prepared to spend money on. I don't feel cheated. It's not perfect but it's not a "pos" either.
When I need to upgrade one of my mixers, I'll probably just buy something "superior" to the "next big thing" Behringer.
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Robbocurry please research the definition of vaporware before you continue to use it incorrectly. You can't say some is "defineltly vaporware" if you seem to not comprehend its true meaning. Would you really like me to explain it to you?
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Jerrylee, I'm fully aware what it means, perhaps you need enlightened:
[mass noun] Computing, informal
software or hardware that has been advertised but is not yet available to buy, either because it is only a concept or because it is still being written or designed.
ix16 = vapourware
Would you like to explain to me how I am wrong here, I'd really like to know?
If you're referring to the x32 rack, I had eluded that it was still an unknown quantity because no paying customer had one yet. I'm fully aware that the x32 rack exists in a tangible form. My inference was towards the DL clone that the Behringer fanboys love so much. Before you reply and offer to explain the word "clone" to me, don't bother. I'm using it sarcastically because I know the ix16 or whatever it's called is vastly superior. At least in theory......
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Robbocurry did you make up that definition to suit your statements? Because that us incorrect. Vaporwares true meaning deals with computer software and hardware that is announced but NEVER actually released nor cancelled. Which means until it has not been released or never officially canceled it can't be termed as " definitely vaporware". So when it is released, and it will be, then your vaporware comment will be proven to be ignorant at best.
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According to Webster any product that is widely advertised but you can't yet buy is vaporware:
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/vaporware
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Robbocurry did you make up that definition to suit your statements? Because that us incorrect. Vaporwares true meaning deals with computer software and hardware that is announced but NEVER actually released nor cancelled. Which means until it has not been released or never officially canceled it can't be termed as " definitely vaporware". So when it is released, and it will be, then your vaporware comment will be proven to be ignorant at best.
You don't like being proved wrong do you?
Definition taken from here:
http://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/vapourware
Perhaps Oxford are ignorant too because they don't agree with what you thought vapourware was?
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According to Webster any product that is widely advertised but you can't yet buy is vaporware:
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/vaporware
:)
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My favorite vaporware are the Peavey IPR4500(DSP) and IPR6500(DSP) amps. Many years later they've been "uprated" to the IPR5000(DSP) and IPR7000(DSP) and still will ship "any day now" x( .
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According to Webster any product that is widely advertised but you can't yet buy is vaporware:
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/vaporware
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Omg. You would seriously put a link in from a dictionary and then say something different then what it says. Apparently you cannot read. I guess ignorance is bliss. Again a mixing board that does indeed exist cannot be vaporware because it does exist. People are out using it now. If it was in concept drawings and being discussed yet not built, and ends of never being built it can then be called vaporware. But again only until it is not out. People called your precious dl1608 vaporware yet some how I and you own it. Hmm. So I guess it wasn't vaporware after all.
The only reason someone might term something that is not on the market yet as vaporware is because they are misusing the word. Again I say, ignorance is bliss.
Robocurry you can say something is vaporware to take a shot at the company. But saying its "definitely vaporware" is just an ignorant statement. Because I can say one million percent that it is indeed, most definitely, with out a doubt, absolutely not vaporware.
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"Oh look Dear, everyone is out of step except our wee Jimmy.... :lol:"
Jerrylee, you are now rambling on and making very little sense.
You were proved wrong and you can't take it.
The link you've quoted was from RR. Mine came from the Oxford online dictionary.
To suggest I would make up a definition to suit myself is absurd.
The latest I saw on the ix16 was a mock up at Namm. Not working, no iPad attached, no sound.
Not yet available to buy (or even to be tested)
This fits the definition of vapourware as per those idiots who publish dictionaries.
I never said (and you can check my posts) that the ix16 wouldn't be released.
When it's available for sale it will no longer be vapourware.
Is it currently available to buy? No it isn't.
Can I make this any clearer for you?
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You lot are just like children, now either play nice or go to your rooms, seriously!
No wonder the official Mackie forums shut down with a bunch of self important pompous procrastinating t€$¥|\$]€~€ !! Unfortunately this place is going the same way fast ... Very few useful informative posts, and lots of "my balls and programming skills and knowledge of life the universe and everything is bigger that yours!"
From what I see, the DL1608 is a board for small bands etc. to run at small shows, and I think it does that perfectly. If you need 32 channels do not buy a DL. If you are doing "a large festival" what the heck have you got a DL for? Come on!
Update 1.4 is great ... It is moving forward .... Things are changing ... Turning a great little device into an even better little device. 1.5 will be better still ... And so will 1.6 .... But it will never ever change the fact it is a small desk for small simple set ups .. Get over it children, and lets post useful things on here!
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You lot are just like children, now either play nice or go to your rooms, seriously!
No wonder the official Mackie forums shut down with a bunch of self important pompous procrastinating t€$¥|\$]€~€ !! Unfortunately this place is going the same way fast ... Very few useful informative posts, and lots of "my balls and programming skills and knowledge of life the universe and everything is bigger that yours!"
From what I see, the DL1608 is a board for small bands etc. to run at small shows, and I think it does that perfectly. If you need 32 channels do not buy a DL. If you are doing "a large festival" what the heck have you got a DL for? Come on!
Update 1.4 is great ... It is moving forward .... Things are changing ... Turning a great little device into an even better little device. 1.5 will be better still ... And so will 1.6 .... But it will never ever change the fact it is a small desk for small simple set ups .. Get over it children, and lets post useful things on here!
Lol. I agree with you totally and especially regarding the DL and it's uses.
My apologies to forum users, this spat makes very boring reading and is generally unhelpful.
I used the official Mackie forum and enjoyed it but it was overfilled with people who liked to "pontificate".
This forum was going so well until recently, then the negativity towards the DL started again.
Frustrated, I dared to post this:
Hey RR,
Any chance you could set up an "I love Behringer vapourware and hate the Mackie DL" forum? :)
This would maybe divert the appropriate people to somewhere they can concentrate and congregate!
I'm getting tired of every thread turning into what the x32 has and the DL hasn't.
I want info and tips on the DL.
In the unlikely event that I buy the x32 or the DL ripoff, I'll go hunting Behringer forums!
Please please can you set that forum up??
General message to anyone else listening:
We got an upgrade, more likely to follow. This is good. Stay calm. Be patient.
Please take a look at my other posts on other topics and judge for yourself my position and attitude.
I don't take any pleasure in this spat.
In this instance, I've spent way too much time but I am determined not to be steamrollered into submission.
Especially by someone who is so obviously wrong. :)
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Can someone please tell me what was so great about the 1.4 update? The only thing that really was added that anyone asked for was photos/icons being recalled. I am so used to not using them at this point that to me it's no longer a big deal. The eq/comp screens are just skins. How does that make a great update. This update like the last one just plain sucks.
And robbo, you are still wrong. I have told you why and you continue to ignore the facts. I used to eat guys like you for breakfast, dinner, and lunch in the court room without even trying. That's why I was able to retire in my early 30s to just play music. It was like you were just handing me money. You really need to examine those definitions you continue to quote. Again you are just wrong. It's becoming laughable.
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Can someone please tell me what was so great about the 1.4 update? The only thing that really was added that anyone asked for was photos/icons being recalled. I am so used to not using them at this point that to me it's no longer a big deal. The eq/comp screens are just skins. How does that make a great update. This update like the last one just plain sucks.
And robbo, you are still wrong. I have told you why and you continue to ignore the facts. I used to eat guys like you for breakfast, dinner, and lunch in the court room without even trying. That's why I was able to retire in my early 30s to just play music. It was like you were just handing me money. You really need to examine those definitions you continue to quote. Again you are just wrong. It's becoming laughable.
Yes Jerry, you are right.
The Oxford Dictionary and everyone else is wrong.
What did you do in the courtroom, were you a baliff?
You have some very strange eating habits too.
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Boys, boys, boys. I had to log in to say this. I too have a legal background and I have read these posts. Jerrylee yes I get it. You are right. But now can you guys end it?
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One last time...
http://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/vapourware
Pronunciation: /ˈveɪpəwɛə(r)/
(US vaporware)
Definition of vapourware
noun
[mass noun] Computing, informal
software or hardware that has been advertised but is not yet available to buy, either because it is only a concept or because it is still being written or designed.
I've underlined the critical text above for you.
Questions to prove my usage of vapourware, as defined above, is correct.
1. Do you own an ix16?
2. Do you know anyone who owns an ix16?
3. Have you ever seen one working?
4. Is there a review of one working anywhere?
5. Is it available for sale anywhere with a current delivery date?
Questions 1 to 4 are superfluous, answer question 5 please.
No wonder you "retired" from the "courtroom".
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Please read your definitions again before you decide to reply. Again this is laughable.
You just like to reply but you don't like to back it up with facts.
Would you like me to dissect the definitions YOU posted here? Because apparently you're not trying so hard.
If I go by your logic then the dl1608 is vaporware. Because 1.5 is still being developed.
And please stick to the topic of the x32 rack. The one that already has user reviews. And when it comes to ix16 you even contradicted yourself in your own post. If you have seen a "mock up", regardless if they are not using it or not, there it is. It's interesting that a guy picked up a piece of vaporware that is not supposed to exist. Even if in the future the only one that ever exists is the one in the video it's called a "concept" not vaporware. Like in the automobile industry when ignorant people call concept cars vaporware. It's not vaporware, even though 90% or more never make the market, it actually exists. That's why it's called a concept car. Now if they say that this is going to have anti gravity engines that take you to the moon then that engine is vaporware. But the car, well, it isn't.
Here is you x32 rack (vaporware) review.
http://soundforums.net/product-reviews/6445-first-hands-experience-new-%93behringer-x32-rack%94-pictures-included.html
That's an interesting review on something that is not in existence.
Here is your video of the ix16
http://youtu.be/SIXT9J3aTCI
Thats pretty interesting that the guy was able to hold something that doesn't yet.
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Dude the definition you keep quoting is from a site that is known for appeasing people who continually misuse a term or word. The fact that they spelled it wrong might be a clue. There is only one true way to spell it and that is vaporware. Yes the word vapour does exist but vapor is the one used in vaporware. It's is a term that was developed as a sarcastic slang term to describe software that computer companies announced that never came out. It was then defined. It was later applied to products out of frustration of people waiting on products that also never were released. Not too much later misused by people who were tired of waiting for actuall products to become available to the market. I did say misused. I'd you are knocking a product and calling it vaporware out of jest then yes use the term. But do not say it is "definitely vaporware" when it is truly not. It exist therefore it is not.
Regarding number 5. Just because you cannot buy something has never made something vaporware. That is completely incorrect. It's mere existence proves that something is not vaporware. So if a new product is coming out, and it sits behind a glass case because the company has not allowed it to be sold yet, does that make it vaporware? According to your definition then yes it is. But yet it is there, it exists, hence its not vaporware.
This is why as a successful lawyer I ripped people like you and incorrect definitions apart. I would have your definition so torn apart that it would never have been allowed to be presented in the first place. Too bad this is the Internet and people comtinue to spew incorrect information from seemingly hole and pore on there body.
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Sorry edited and posted in the wrong place:
The DL1608 is available for sale so therfore not vapourware.
Tell me, where can I buy an x32 rack today for delivery this week? Don't answer that.
I am correct as per the definition of the dictionary that I trust. If you don't agree with the dictionary, that's your prerogative.
Yes, it is laughable.
For the sake of this thread and the backlog of work building up, I'll agree to disagree with you.
If you can agree to that:)
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The DL1608 is available for sale so therfore not vapourware.
Tell me, where can I buy an x32 rack today for delivery this week? Don't answer that.
I am correct as per the definition of the dictionary that I trust. If you don't agree with the dictionary, that's your prerogative.
Yes, it is laughable.
For the sake of this thread and the backlog of work building up, I'll agree to disagree with you.
If you can agree to that:)
Narrow minds like to read "definitions" on the Internet and assume they are correct. If we want to prove we are right about something then all we have to do is search the Internet because as we all know everything here is true and correct. Lol. On the Internet there is an ass for every seat.
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I am going to get my 2 cents in now .....
As a successful lawyer ... Ha ha ha ha ha ........ You start the reply with "Dude" and you do large festivals with a DL .... Glad you don't represent me dude! Lol
Sorry folks, could not resist!
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Dude is one of my favorite words. It's used as sarcasm when I would like to get my point across. I use dude when people don't like to listen. And growing up on the beach in the 80s/90s made it a word ill never forget. Please don't be jealous. It's an ugly trait.
And the festival I did only saw 900,000 thousand people this year. Last year 1.2 million. But it rained on Friday. So I guess it wasn't so big after all. FYI it's the largest art festival in the SE United States. Unfortunately they don't have a huge budget for music yet because it is termed as an art fest. That's why I only bring out a dl1608 and a small system. It's all local groups playing and we want to keep it that way. My email is flooded every year because of how large the event is. Last year we had two national performers come up and play because they were there and offered to do concerts this year as well. One is in a famous band and one was on broadway in a very well know musical. And another band who played last year is now touring around the country and has a hit song on the radio. But again 900,000 people in the area in 3 days is a small festival.
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The DL1608 is available for sale so therfore not vapourware.
Tell me, where can I buy an x32 rack today for delivery this week? Don't answer that.
I am correct as per the definition of the dictionary that I trust. If you don't agree with the dictionary, that's your prerogative.
Yes, it is laughable.
For the sake of this thread and the backlog of work building up, I'll agree to disagree with you.
If you can agree to that:)
Narrow minds like to read "definitions" on the Internet and assume they are correct. If we want to prove we are right about something then all we have to do is search the Internet because as we all know everything here is true and correct. Lol. On the Internet there is an ass for every seat.
This is so typical of you, a reply with an overbearing, condescending comment.
You are not in a position to comment on my mindset as you don't know me at all.
All your bluster and bragging about you courtroom antics reeks of adolescent chest beating.
To disregard established sources of knowledge to twist things to your perspective is ridiculous.
A nugget pulled from the internet:
"Some people always seem angry and continuously look for conflict. The battle they are fighting isn't with you, it is always within themselves. Better to walk away."
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I am going to get my 2 cents in now .....
As a successful lawyer ... Ha ha ha ha ha ........ You start the reply with "Dude" and you do large festivals with a DL .... Glad you don't represent me dude! Lol
Sorry folks, could not resist!
:lol:
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The DL1608 is available for sale so therfore not vapourware.
Tell me, where can I buy an x32 rack today for delivery this week? Don't answer that.
I am correct as per the definition of the dictionary that I trust. If you don't agree with the dictionary, that's your prerogative.
Yes, it is laughable.
For the sake of this thread and the backlog of work building up, I'll agree to disagree with you.
If you can agree to that:)
Narrow minds like to read "definitions" on the Internet and assume they are correct. If we want to prove we are right about something then all we have to do is search the Internet because as we all know everything here is true and correct. Lol. On the Internet there is an ass for every seat.
This is so typical of you, a reply with an overbearing, condescending comment.
You are not in a position to comment on my mindset as you don't know me at all.
All your bluster and bragging about you courtroom antics reeks of adolescent chest beating.
To disregard established sources of knowledge to twist things to your perspective is ridiculous.
A nugget pulled from the internet:
"Some people always seem angry and continuously look for conflict. The battle they are fighting isn't with you, it is always within themselves. Better to walk away."
Does the truth sting a little?
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You tell me?
I'm sitting here laughing as this is really only a difference of opinions.
What makes it twice as funny though, is your opinion. :lol:
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JL I was not doubting the size if your testicles, sorry I mean festival, however I think you are now making yourself look silly. Seriously if you are playing festivals that size I assume you are in a small beer tent playing to a hundred or so people, and that is about the limit if the DL. I play in a cheesy wedding/party band as a hobby, if we get more than 250 people it is massive to us, and I would get a sound guy in with a proper rig, never dream of using a DL! But it is up to you dude, go play in the freeway with matchbox toy cars if that makes you feel big, then criticise how they cannot keep up with the traffic flow.
That's it, I need to get on With my proper job ... Which by the way is not being a top shot lawyer!
Play nice children.
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Me too, I have a stack of work building up in the real world.
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JL I was not doubting the size if your testicles, sorry I mean festival, however I think you are now making yourself look silly. Seriously if you are playing festivals that size I assume you are in a small beer tent playing to a hundred or so people, and that is about the limit if the DL. I play in a cheesy wedding/party band as a hobby, if we get more than 250 people it is massive to us, and I would get a sound guy in with a proper rig, never dream of using a DL! But it is up to you dude, go play in the freeway with matchbox toy cars if that makes you feel big, then criticise how they cannot keep up with the traffic flow.
That's it, I need to get on With my proper job ... Which by the way is not being a top shot lawyer!
Play nice children.
DUDE, apparently you don't get that a board has nothing to do with how big of an area you can cover. Please think before you speak. The biggest band I did all weekend only needed 15 inputs. 3 vocals, 3 acoustics, 1 electric, 1 mandolin, and 7 for percussion/drums. I knew this in advance. But again this had nothing to do with the size of the venue. Please get a clue before you make stupid statements and when you are at work please don't burn yourself in the fryers.
I can play to a stadium that holds 100,000 plus people with a 2 channel board that cost $50.
FYI the area you cover deals with your speakers and power, NOT the board. Get a clue.
Maybe you should also check my earlier posts to see the stage I did sound on. I posted a picture. That was on Friday during set up. If you can zoom in close enough you might be able to see the dl1608 sitting on the right corner of the drum riser. That's where it spent 3 days. And that's also where the x32 rack will be next year.
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Rr why did you create a second thread and pull some, not all, posts from another thread? I am starting to believe you are a little to "hand on" here.
If this is supposed to be an open forum why not jut leave it alone.
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I'm sure it's to keep threads on topic I love to read the drama and stuff as much as the next guy but damn sometimes you guys go off and it's 3 pages of just back and forth jabs
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The drama is still there on the other thread. And why did he not post everything if anything at all?
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If this is supposed to be an open forum why not jut leave it alone.
Who ever said it was an "open forum" :P ?
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The drama is still there on the other thread. And why did he not post everything if anything at all?
The ways of the SysGod are strange and mysterious - not to be comprehended by mere mortals :angel: >:D :-\ 8) :laugh: .
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The X32 Rack is not vaporware. There is at least one in use in the wild currently by one of Behringer's beta testers, Christian Boche who also had early access to the original X32. Enjoy:
http://soundforums.net/product-reviews/6445-first-hands-experience-new-%93behringer-x32-rack%94-pictures-included.html
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:facepalm:
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The X32 Rack is not vaporware. There is at least one in use in the wild currently by one of Behringer's beta testers,
Myself, I'm more wondering about the iX16. It's unclear if it can be run wired from the iPad for instance. No picture exists that shows it connected wired AFAIK. I don't carry a spare router with the DL1608 as I can always "fall back" and run it docked.
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Wow.
What the hell? Everyone is entitled to their opinions. This is a message forum and we are bound to disagree on things. But I have to say, from someone who has read your responses in several threads, Jerrylee, you are coming off (at least in this forum) as overbearing, negative, nasty, condescending, and not just with one person, but with pretty close to everyone you talk to. You seem to think that personal attacks and character assassinations are effective debate tools. You seem to have a huge, buzzing, stinging bug up your ass about Mackie and, what I find REALLY ironic, is that Behringer is the company mantle you choose to take up as your shining example of why you think Mackie sucks:
Newsflash, both Mackie and Behringer have SHIT reputations in pro audio. I can tell you horror stories about my ex sound man's Behringer subs, which are nothing but 100+ point paperweights. Lest you think I am some Mackie fanboy, I have literally NEVER met a Mackie analog mixer I liked AND the same ex sound man had the most GOd Awful powered monitors which were, you guessed it, Mackie's!
So it is crazy that I have actually purchased a DL1608 as a dual purpose mixer: The small mixer for my acoustic duo and the backup mixer for my full band. I am stuck between the StudioLive 24.4.2 and the full sized X32 for the main mixer for my band.
Oh and I had seriously tried to wait for the ix16 because I think that it is going to be a smoking small digi-mixer. But I needed a mixer, at least the 16 channel one lol NOW!
My point, however, is that I don't know if you are a lawyer in real life and if so how successful you are and I don't care. But I can tell you that, while I get we all disagree about stuff, you are a complete troll in this forum, insulting (by my count) FOUR people who have tried to disagree civilly with you.
I guess we can all await your response to me to make it 5! :lol:
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Whether or not the Behringer unit is vaporware, it does seem JerryLee, like you have a boundless dislike for Mackie in general and the DL in particular. I don't consider myself to be a Mackie fanboy at all ... many things about the DL aren't exactly as I would like and some things that I would like will probably never make it to the DL at all. That said, I like it enough that I'll continue to use it quite happily.
I'll also wager you that when the Behringer unit actually hits the market and folks start using it, that there will be a long list of complaints about and wish lists built for it too.
Point is, no piece of gear is going to be perfect for everyone all the time. Hows about we all just calm down and appreciate each piece of gear for what it can do instead of turning the flamethrowers on all the time. You seem like you really do know your stuff and I for one would be far more interested in any tips or thoughts you could share on what you like about the DL more than all the stuff you don't like about it (or Mackie in general).
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The X32 Rack is not vaporware. There is at least one in use in the wild currently by one of Behringer's beta testers, Christian Boche who also had early access to the original X32. Enjoy:
http://soundforums.net/product-reviews/6445-first-hands-experience-new-%93behringer-x32-rack%94-pictures-included.html
Greg apparently if its not able to be purchased yet it is vaporware. At least that's what robbo will tell you. And I already posted the link to this review.
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The X32 Rack is not vaporware. There is at least one in use in the wild currently by one of Behringer's beta testers,
Myself, I'm more wondering about the iX16. It's unclear if it can be run wired from the iPad for instance. No picture exists that shows it connected wired AFAIK. I don't carry a spare router with the DL1608 as I can always "fall back" and run it docked.
That is what the ix16s USB port is for. You plug your cable right into there. There is no dock connector. The "dock" is just a tray to lay the iPad in. Forward thinking on behringers part. This way you can connect via USB to a 30 pin, the new lightning connector and even a computer. USB connected iPads are not going anywhere soon. Maybe never. They will just evolve like the newer 3.0s but still works with a 2.0 device.
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That is what the ix16s USB port is for. You plug your cable right into there.
That is the assumption - but I have not seen anything from Behringer confirming that and I looked.
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Why do people refuse to listen to those of us who know what we are talking about!
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Because "There can be only one!" >:D
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Ok McCloud.
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Why do people refuse to listen to those of us who know what we are talking about!
I'd hazard a guess and say it's because you often come across as extremely dislikable?
Sorry, but you did ask.
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I saw the X32 rack test review shortly after it was muted that it was already for sale in Europe. That must be nearly two weeks ago.
I really hope it's available for sale soon, I honestly do. It looks really impressive.
Not that I plan to buy one as I upgraded a lot of my gear 12 months ago and it isn't something I need.
I also hope the iX16 is available for sale soon too, although it seems a little further off.
Not that I plan to buy one as I just bought a very similar product, the DL1608, a few months back. ::)
On a personal note, I sincerely hope that you are one of the first people to get an X32 rack Jerry, I really do.
I honestly hope it's everything that you want it to be and you will be happy with it. Honestly :thu: :)
To anyone who is interested in these fantastic new Behringer products, there is a dedicated forum here:
http://forum.behringer.com/
It's full of useful hints & tips for the budding "X Series" owner - enjoy!
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I also hope the iX16 is available for sale soon too
Me too. I'm really liking the DL1608 and no plans of selling for a few years, regardless of what else comes out - but its still not all that it could be. Having the iX16 on the market would keep the pressure on Mackie to step up their game.
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I'd say so Kevin, there are plenty more years left in the DL and Mackie will need their return on investment.
Smart updates will keep it alive for a good while, that can only be good for us.
I like the idea of a DL804 Mk2 style desk for the iPad mini as suggested elsewhere in the forum.
In fact, the more I think of it, the more I like it. ;D ;D ;D
Then again, I've been waiting for an iPhone mini for years too...
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Then again, I've been waiting for an iPhone mini for years too...
So, you want an iPhone with a screen the size of a postage stamp :o ?
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Then again, I've been waiting for an iPhone mini for years too...
So, you want an iPhone with a screen the size of a postage stamp :o ?
Send me the link - I have my card ready :lol:
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I also hope the iX16 is available for sale soon too
Me too. I'm really liking the DL1608 and no plans of selling for a few years, regardless of what else comes out - but its still not all that it could be. Having the iX16 on the market would keep the pressure on Mackie to step up their game.
The biggest issue to me between the dl and the iX is that the hardware of the iX is something Mackie cannot step up to. The iX has 2 USB in/outs, midi I/O, and recallable preamps. All of which are extremely useful and all of which the dl does not have. It also has a built in power supply and we all know about mackies brick. Software it is better too. It has 4 fx processors right out of the box. I don't think the dl will ever have more than 2. There are also busses which hopefully Mackie will address.
So sticking with the dl you will never get what the iX offers.
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The biggest issue to me between the dl and the iX is that the hardware of the iX is something Mackie cannot step up to. The iX has 2 USB in/outs, midi I/O, and recallable preamps. All of which are extremely useful and all of which the dl does not have. It also has a built in power supply and we all know about mackies brick. Software it is better too. It has 4 fx processors right out of the box. I don't think the dl will ever have more than 2. There are also busses which hopefully Mackie will address. So sticking with the dl you will never get what the iX offers.
As I mentioned adding digital trim to the DL1608 would somewhat mitigate the lack of remote preamp trim. Sure, it can never do multitracking but many of us don't need that. They should be able to "split" the stereo reverb into two mono ones easily enough. And change the delay only FX into another 'verb or chorus - again possibly splitting the stereo into two mono FX units.
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So sticking with the dl you will never get what the iX offers.
I'm fine with that. There will always be something better around the corner. For me, a DL in the hand is worth more than an iX in the bush, especially since this DL has been in my hands for several months now.
One of the things I came to grips with before buying the DL is that we are probably entering an era where buying a mixer is going to be like buying a computer in the 90s, where more powerful hardware is available on a monthly basis. The time to change platforms is as soon as you can justify the ROI. If you wait so you can get the latest tradeshow jawdropper, you will always be waiting. If you always want to be the guy with the most capable rig, its going to be an expensive ride.
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The biggest issue to me between the dl and the iX is that the hardware of the iX is something Mackie cannot step up to. The iX has 2 USB in/outs, midi I/O, and recallable preamps. All of which are extremely useful and all of which the dl does not have. It also has a built in power supply and we all know about mackies brick. Software it is better too. It has 4 fx processors right out of the box. I don't think the dl will ever have more than 2. There are also busses which hopefully Mackie will address.
So sticking with the dl you will never get what the iX offers.
A few thoughts on this issue I had when purchasing the DL1608:
1. I need a mixer NOW, as I already stated, not in some undisclosed time (probably September) when the ix16 is launching. By the way, to be fair, I waited as long as I could because the ix16 sounds like it is going to be one helluva portable iPad mixer. Others are probably in the same boat.
2. We really cannot be 100% certain what the feature-set will be between the two mixers. I mean, yeah, I, too am assuming the ix16 will have more features that will make it attractive, but categorically assuming that this is going to be that much better than the DL1608, AND assuming it will come in at the same price point may be a good bet but is admittedly premature. Look, I am not going to wade hip-deep into this whole vaperware discussion, because it is absurd and quibbling over the meaning of some obscure Internet-geek-speak term is...well, not an efficient use of my time. I would much rather jerk off to porn.
3. Since I bought the small mixer as a backup for my full band (to use now to get my feet wet) and as the main mixer for my acoustic duo, I also downloaded all the apps for all the mixers I am considering that can be mixed on the iPad. I downloaded the app for the StudioLive as well as the XiControl and the MasterFader app over a month before I bought the mixer. I have played with all of them, and while I (so far at least) absolutely love the X32, I have to confess that it is the WORST app for the iPad of all three mixers (SL, X32, and DL) to the point where I actually loathe it. Now this is assumptive on my part, but let me tell you this: I personally DO NOT care how many features the ix16 ends up having over the DL1608. If Behringer keeps that same app I downloaded and used already for the portable iPad mixer, that is an absolute deal breaker for me! I have become so familiar with the DL1608 software, and I have to say right now that despite all the bugs, the quibbles, the effects/compressor/limiter all being forced into the monitors, the position of the mute buttons, and a few other niggles, I absolutely LOVE MasterFader. It is, by far, the best iPad mixing app I have seen. Now if Behringer creates an app for the ix16 that rivals the structure of MasterFader, and the mixer is as good as you and others are predicting, then I can and will likely sell my DL1608 used for more than what I paid for it new (I paid $825.00 brand new and they are going for more than that used on eBay) and buy the ix16. But no way in hell am I buying an iPad only mixer with what Behringer has shown us so far on the iPad. I don't particularly care about the clunkiness and clumsiness of the iPad app for the X32, because when you have such a stunningly beautiful hard-mixing surface as the X32 has, the iPad app is sort of just a convenience or sweetener. I mean, I can go out into the audience to listen to my band and just throw a few faders. If I want to do anything deep in the mixer, say, then I can just do it at the console. Not an option with either the DL1608 or 1x16 because the iPad is the mixing surface. This is something that needs to be considered, again, assuming that we are getting the same or similar software to what Behringer has out now.
4. The DL1608 has been out for a while now (well okay 6 months or so?) and its faults are the subject of much forum fodder. Everyone is niggling and quibbling about it, right? I get that. We are all consumers and we shouldn't be blind fanboys, so all this shit is fair game. But what issues, problems, and glitches is the ix16 going to have upon launch? Do I really want to be Behringer's glorified beta tester for this coming mixer? Look, frankly, this mixer can launch without a single hitch or without anything that would be a show-stopper, I admit that. But what if it doesn't? Do I want to have a show for my band tank in the middle of my guitar solo or vocal passage and I can't do a think about it because I am singing and playing? Or maybe the software will have intermittent crashes that can destroy my band's show until Behringer works out the post release bugs that, for one reason or another, didn't get picked up during beta testing. All assumptions, I know, but it is equally assumptive to categorically say that the ix16 will launch without issues or problems.