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Title: Master/My Fader V3 Wants and Speculation
Post by: RoadRanger on February 18, 2014, 10:23:06 PM
I wish they had added the new adjustable slope HPFs and LPFs to all the input channel strips.

Oh, and I still want my monitor sends post-HPF post-EQ but pre-comp. Preferably switchable per channel like the Phonic and Behringer digital mixers.

What are yous guys still lookin' for? :)
Title: Re: Master/My Fader V3 Wants and Speculation
Post by: Jerrylee on February 18, 2014, 10:42:44 PM
Even though I don't own the dl I still wanted to look at the new features. But it appears that until it is loaded into the dl itself they don't show up in the app. Not sure exactly why mackie would do this. Some people want to try the app before they consider the mixer. Has anyone else updated the app and not the dl itself and been able to see the changes?
Title: Re: Master/My Fader V3 Wants and Speculation
Post by: Jerrylee on February 18, 2014, 10:45:54 PM
Apparently they haven't fixed the airplay bug. Open the app and airplay disappears again. 
Title: Re: Master/My Fader V3 Wants and Speculation
Post by: WK154 on February 18, 2014, 11:29:33 PM
Nice delete of all the V3 wants and speculation RR !!! A little late for speculation on V2.1 it's out. ::)
Title: Master Fader V3 Speculation
Post by: WK154 on February 18, 2014, 11:31:21 PM
Let's try again! This is for the exclusive iOS7+ users club only! ;)
Title: Re: Master/My Fader V3 Wants and Speculation
Post by: RoadRanger on February 18, 2014, 11:55:31 PM
Nice delete of all the V2.1 <was 3> wants and speculation RR !!!
There's still here, on page three of the topics here:
http://cacophony.aspinock.com/index.php?topic=505.0
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A little late for speculation on V2.1 it's out. ::)
Oops, fixed :) .
Title: Re: Master/My Fader V3 Wants and Speculation
Post by: WK154 on February 19, 2014, 01:32:01 AM
Nice delete of all the V2.1 <was 3> wants and speculation RR !!!
There's still here, on page three of the topics here:
http://cacophony.aspinock.com/index.php?topic=505.0
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A little late for speculation on V2.1 it's out. ::)
Oops, fixed :) .
Why don't you put back the thread I started a month ago as Master Fader V3 wants and Speculation since it contains more challenging requests than you could ever hope for in V2.1? Put back the original title that you changed and make this thread what it is Master Fader/ Myfader 2.1 Commentary.
Title: Re: Master/My Fader V3 Wants and Speculation
Post by: RoadRanger on February 19, 2014, 02:09:40 AM
Why don't you put back the thread I stated a month ago as Master Fader V3 wants and Speculation since it contains more challenging requests than you could ever hope for in V2.1? Put back the original title that you changed and make this thread what it is Master Fader/ Myfader 2.1 Commentary.
That thread dates from October 21, 2013:
http://cacophony.aspinock.com/index.php?topic=505.0
and the last post was November 24, 2013.

Now that we have V2.1 and some time has passed since we wrote all that why don't we see where everyone's priorities are now? If you posted a newer thread it should be here somewhere...
Title: Re: Master/My Fader V3 Wants and Speculation
Post by: WK154 on February 19, 2014, 05:43:22 AM
No new thread. My time flies when your having fun  :). The reason I started it early was for the benefit of the Mackie lurkers. Maybe some of the suggestions presented would be considered in their next release. I'm fairly certain that V3 features are pretty much closed for consideration at this time. Don't sell this forum short for input to their product, where else would they go to get suggestions with some experience supporting them. Mackie's Uservoice really! Yes we're only 0.001% if that of their customer base but we're pushing the envelope with this mixer. A quick perusal of my old thread shows that only your LPF, HPF request was satisfied with V2.1. At least change the title back to what it was. So for starters see  http://cacophony.aspinock.com/index.php?topic=505.0
Then let me add a bunch more FX functions. There should also be a Multichannel recorder/playback feature.  ;D A signal generator for setup. An RTA to go along with the GEQ/Parametric on output. It will never match an X32 and shouldn't since I believe the design philosophy was a KISS customer base. Oh yes work on that UI (User Interface) it sucks. This list should take them til V5.1 at which time they run out of steam as usual (Ala D8B).
Title: Re: Master/My Fader V3 Wants and Speculation
Post by: RoadRanger on February 19, 2014, 06:26:42 PM
Interesting to see what the top 10 are over at https://mackie.uservoice.com/forums/97035-dl-series :

#1 (1164 votes) - 16 channel recording and playback.
Yeh!

#2 (743 votes) - Intergrate iPad music playback controls
You can already do that with the iOS pull-up menu

#3 (658 votes) - RTA overlayed on of the GEQ
Yeh!

#4 (536 votes) - Android app
Not on my list but whatever

#5 (411 votes) - Small simple spectrum analysis over 31-band graphic EQ's
A Dup of #3 ?

#6 (353 votes) - A much better reverb please. Current one is almost unusable.
RTFM

#7 (279 votes) - MONO OUT for a single (1) sub with (2) stereo tops. Aux 6? Not same as crossover idea. Just MONO.
Could do both with the new V2.1 HPFs and LPFs on every output :)

#8 (267 votes) - Add virtual subgroups to allow group processing of channels
Why not?

#9 (195 votes) - Aux Sends switchable PER CHANNEL between Pre or Post CHANNEL EQ /DSP
Yeh!

#10 (184 votes) - DCA Groups
Why not?

#11 (174) - Multitrack recording
A Dup of #1

#12 (173 votes) - custom label aux sends
Not a bad idea
Title: Re: Master/My Fader V3 Wants and Speculation
Post by: RoadRanger on February 19, 2014, 06:40:59 PM
My UserVoice votes :) :

16 channel recording and playback.
RTA overlayed on of the GEQ
MONO OUT for a single (1) sub with (2) stereo tops. Aux 6? Not same as crossover idea. Just MONO.
Aux Sends switchable PER CHANNEL between Pre or Post CHANNEL EQ /DSP
Screen with all the aux send faders and the main fader on it.
A second reverb instead of delay
All AUX faders are available per channel (as a pivot off of the Para EQ screen)
Key filter on noise gates for frequency selective gating.
HPF's on the Delay, Reverb and iPad channels
Create effects mute button that remains at top screen.
Title: Re: Master/My Fader V3 Wants and Speculation
Post by: Ampli on February 20, 2014, 03:17:50 AM
My biggest reguest would be seperate eq for the mains and or auxes
Combine the channel faders yes but the output faders and eq should be apart
At the moment i need to mix on two layers when dealing with difficult rooms
Title: Re: Master/My Fader V3 Wants and Speculation
Post by: RoadRanger on February 20, 2014, 03:25:17 AM
My biggest reguest would be seperate eq for the mains and or auxes
Combine the channel faders yes but the output faders and eq should be apart
At the moment i need to mix on two layers when dealing with difficult rooms
I'm not sure I understand what you want?
Title: Re: Master/My Fader V3 Wants and Speculation
Post by: Jerrylee on February 20, 2014, 03:36:09 AM
I'm thinking he wants to be able to have 2 eqs per individual channel. One eq that goes to the mains, and one for the monitors. I can do this with my rack by assigning 1 input to two channels. You can do this with the dl too by using a splitter cable and plugging 1 mic/line into 2 inputs. This way you use two channels. One for mains, one for mons. Each with its own eq. Problem is that your 16 channel board become an 8.
Title: Re: Master/My Fader V3 Wants and Speculation
Post by: RoadRanger on February 20, 2014, 03:52:09 AM
I'm thinking he wants to be able to have 2 eqs per individual channel. One eq that goes to the mains, and one for the monitors. I can do this with my rack by assigning 1 input to two channels. You can do this with the dl too by using a splitter cable and plugging 1 mic/line into 2 inputs. This way you use two channels. One for mains, one for mons. Each with its own eq. Problem is that your 16 channel board become an 8.
Could be but he wasn't clear. I'd love that and it follows along with their present ability to use separate pans and mutes on the auxes - but I suspect it would confuse the heck out of most of the target market users x( :lol: .
Title: Re: Master/My Fader V3 Wants and Speculation
Post by: Ampli on February 20, 2014, 11:24:40 AM
Nope neither are right
What i did try to say that they  make the main geq in to a stereo eq and be able to set the left and right different
And yes for vocals i use the split cable,
Title: Re: Master/My Fader V3 Wants and Speculation
Post by: thedrums on February 20, 2014, 03:48:56 PM
Key filter on noise gates for frequency selective gating.

Thanks RR. That was my suggestion. It wasn't getting any love but is a very useful tool when dealing with drum mics.
Title: Re: Master/My Fader V3 Wants and Speculation
Post by: RoadRanger on February 20, 2014, 04:56:29 PM
Nope neither are right
What i did try to say that they  make the main geq in to a stereo eq and be able to set the left and right different
And yes for vocals i use the split cable,
So, you are suggesting being able to unlink the L&R into two mono outs with separate EQ? I suggested that a while ago, I'd use if for the mains with a HPF on the right and subs with a LPF on the left. Should be easy enough to implement since they already let us do that with a pair of auxes.
Title: Re: Master/My Fader V3 Wants and Speculation
Post by: Keyboard Magic on March 19, 2014, 12:30:06 AM
If this idea is already here, please forgive my post. Admin please delete if it that is the case.

Here goes my 2 cents worth... How hard would it be to add digital gains into the software along with the existing hardware gains already in the chassis? Digital would mean that once gains are set, they could be stored under snapshots for instant recall, especially if the knobs/pots get mucked up either in transit, or by itchy fingers.

In reality I'm probably off base about a software upgrade to address this one area. It may have to wait for an upgrade to the current hardware/next generation of DL Mixers. Hope springs eternal!  :P
Title: Re: Master/My Fader V3 Wants and Speculation
Post by: Jerrylee on March 19, 2014, 01:08:53 AM
How hard you ask? Impossible is the answer. They are not digitally programmable gains. It is what it is.
Title: Re: Master/My Fader V3 Wants and Speculation
Post by: sam.spoons on March 19, 2014, 09:21:56 AM
If this idea is already here, please forgive my post. Admin please delete if it that is the case.

Here goes my 2 cents worth... How hard would it be to add digital gains into the software along with the existing hardware gains already in the chassis? Digital would mean that once gains are set, they could be stored under snapshots for instant recall, especially if the knobs/pots get mucked up either in transit, or by itchy fingers.

In reality I'm probably off base about a software upgrade to address this one area. It may have to wait for an upgrade to the current hardware/next generation of DL Mixers. Hope springs eternal!  :P

To expand on JL's slightly brusque answer, the gain's set the gain structure so input levels are as high as possible but without overloading the analogue mic preamps. The signal then passes on to the A-D converters. Any digital level control has to happen after the D-As so is unable to optimise the signal leading to clipping if the gain is too high or poor signal to noise if it's too low. Digital gains use a digitally controlled analogue pre amp with some kind of hardware DCA in the mic preamp, the DL1608 does not have this hardware.
Title: Re: Master/My Fader V3 Wants and Speculation
Post by: Jerrylee on March 19, 2014, 03:18:07 PM
Yeah, what he said.
Title: Re: Master/My Fader V3 Wants and Speculation
Post by: Keyboard Magic on March 20, 2014, 12:15:35 AM
Thank you all for your excellent information to my wish for digital gains. I kinda thought I was hoping for something that would require a possible major hardware update. Oh well!!! Maybe in the future??
Title: Re: Master/My Fader V3 Wants and Speculation
Post by: Keyboard Magic on April 06, 2014, 02:10:18 PM
So, here's a real noob question. How often does Mackie release updates to Master Fader? I have been Googling, but no info out there.
Title: Re: Master/My Fader V3 Wants and Speculation
Post by: Wynnd on April 06, 2014, 04:35:38 PM
That's totally up to them.  The last one was probably released a bit early because future updates require ios 7.x.  They've had two very nice software upgrades since I bought mine in September.  Both involved improvements in function that I wasn't expecting.  I really have gotten to appreciate that mixer.   And for those who have been following, airplay is working now.  (Problem was probably because I didn't know how to turn it on in ios 7.  I do now.  Very slick but not intuitive and not very Apple either.  I'm used to running into their functions by accident, this one will never be one of those.)
Title: Re: Master/My Fader V3 Wants and Speculation
Post by: Keyboard Magic on April 07, 2014, 01:07:26 PM
Wynnd;

Thank you for your reply. Yes, it seems that there is no real pattern to updates to Master Fader. I know that they do address requests from their user request website and they have rectified quite a lot of issues over time. So I guess we have to just keep our fingers crossed for some real cool goodies to come along in the near future.

I seem to be tripping over the occasional new function/features too, but as you say, some are real puzzlers. This also could be put down to my IOS noobness.  :facepalm:  I just have to keep plugging along and learning. "Google is your friend" I do really like my DL and plan to use it for a long time. :)
Title: Re: Master/My Fader V3 Wants and Speculation
Post by: Wynnd on April 07, 2014, 07:28:47 PM
Until I wanted to use airplay, I was always able to figure out how to do  anything important.  (I've been a higher end user since 1988.)   This was one case where reading a help sheet was required.  At this point of my life, changing computers will be slowing down and the "senior moments" will start coming faster and with greater frequency.
Title: Re: Master/My Fader V3 Wants and Speculation
Post by: Keyboard Magic on April 11, 2014, 09:56:52 PM
How about adding a recording level control? It may be possible to add this to Master Fader. At least it would make the DL a little more polished even if it is only 2 track recording. For serious recording I would personally use my laptop, USB audio interface and DAW. I bought my DL to use for live audio mixing and am very happy with it. Built in recording is neither here nor there for me personally.  8)
Title: Re: Master/My Fader V3 Wants and Speculation
Post by: WK154 on May 02, 2014, 03:33:13 PM
How about something within their reach such as taking the four pair of stereo channels (L&R, and the aux pairs) and make them assignable to the iPad channel. That would avoid some shuffling of output usage. Or the poor mans DCA by taking the layers and presenting the main faders of each layer on one display page.
Title: Re: Master/My Fader V3 Wants and Speculation
Post by: Wynnd on May 02, 2014, 05:04:02 PM
I can see where having the master faders for the Aux's and LR on the same page might be useful. 
Title: Re: Master/My Fader V3 Wants and Speculation
Post by: Keyboard Magic on May 23, 2014, 06:06:24 PM
Even though I don't have the DL, is the next update going to be 2.2.x? Or will it actually be called version 3? Just curious.  ;)

Title: Re: Master/My Fader V3 Wants and Speculation
Post by: Wynnd on May 23, 2014, 07:13:23 PM
I want the ability to assign a software button to a bluetooth keyboard.   I saw a place where that would have been useful last week.   Software switchs require you look at them to make sure you hit them.  Hardware switchs allow you to place your finger on a button without pushing it.  Then you can watch for the visual cue from stage for what the button is supposed to do.  This doesn't seem complicated to me.
Title: Re: Master/My Fader V3 Wants and Speculation
Post by: Wynnd on May 23, 2014, 07:14:17 PM
Mackie will name the next update whatever they choose to name it.  We will all find out together.
Title: Re: Master/My Fader V3 Wants and Speculation
Post by: sam.spoons on May 23, 2014, 08:51:02 PM
I want Mackie to implement HUI (or other midi protocol) control of Master Fader (not the DL1608 itself just the MF software running on an iPad) so I can use a generic midi control surface to add physical faders to the iPad.
Title: Re: Master/My Fader V3 Wants and Speculation
Post by: Wynnd on May 24, 2014, 04:11:21 AM
Great suggestion.  The reason I'm more inclined to do a bluetooth keyboard, is that many of us have the bluetooth keyboard already.  (Hate typing with the ipad's screen.)  But I haven't really looked at midi interfaces for the ipad.  They may be a great approach.  (Will check out some of the options.)
Title: Re: Master/My Fader V3 Wants and Speculation
Post by: sam.spoons on May 24, 2014, 07:20:50 AM
The problem with that is that there aren't any Bluetooth fader surfaces out there but there are several midi devices with faders and/or buttons and the protocols are well developed.
Title: Re: Master/My Fader V3 Wants and Speculation
Post by: Wynnd on May 24, 2014, 11:58:31 AM
Interesting, but if we were wanting to have physical controls, we should have purchased a different mixer.  That said, I can now appreciate the differences.  I do enough general PA jobs that being able to take the ipad and mix from the audience is a real pleasure.  The fact that the mixer stack is about 11 pounds lighter doesn't hurt at my age either.  (Really ought to get rid of that Hafler P1500.  Convection cooled, it's pretty heavy.)   I'm still looking for someone to buy my 100' 16 channel snake.  I running sound for a senior's variety show today and tomorrow.  I considered using the DL, but in this case the physical faders of the StudioLive mixer that's in the auditorium has been the best approach.  (Lots of short performances by a bunch of wireless mics that I don't want the performers turning off and on.)
Title: Re: Master/My Fader V3 Wants and Speculation
Post by: sam.spoons on May 27, 2014, 06:31:28 PM
I would have bought a different mixer (and may still do so) but the object was to lose the multicore as for many of my gigs it is nigh on impossible to run one and stay with H&S guidelines. There isn't a mixer out there right now with a separate physical control surface linked to the brain by wifi. You can have remote mixing by iPad or laptop (with or without faders on stage) or you have to run a cat5 (much more H&S friendly than a traditional analogue snake but still not ideal) and pay for an additional stagebox to get your mic pre's onstage. WiFi should be capable of a couple of stereo channels each way in addition to the control data for talkback, solo or maybe stereo backing tracks. An X32 Control, basically an X32 Compact with just talkback, stereo line in and stereo return for the headphones, connected to an X32 Rack via WiFi would be brilliant. Come on Mackie, lets have a DLcontrol with with built in wifi and 17 faders mimicking the MF control surface, for all the other functions I'm quite happy with the iPad. It would have to be under 500 though (Berry have two on the way, both, admittedly with only 9 faders, the X-Touch Compact for $399, and the X-Touch with LCD scribble strips and lots of other bells and whistles for $600).

The DL1608 is what it is though and I still love it  :D
Title: Re: Master/My Fader V3 Wants and Speculation
Post by: Kev tyler on September 27, 2014, 10:19:41 AM
Regarding a wireless remote control for the dl

Are you thinking of a unit that clamps over an iPad and uses its screen for stuff, but has physical sliders too?

Title: Re: Master/My Fader V3 Wants and Speculation
Post by: Kev tyler on September 27, 2014, 10:26:06 AM
Regarding feature requests,

Wouldn't it be nice, if airturn could be used to mute fx,
   
Wouldn't it be nice if mixers like the dl, could tie a song selection to a scene selection, basically a dedicated playback  music app exclusive for certain mixers, just as exclusive as the control apps are.

Kev
Title: Re: Master/My Fader V3 Wants and Speculation
Post by: sam.spoons on September 27, 2014, 03:03:23 PM
I use Airturn for "My Lyric Book", brilliant.

My idea for a wifi remote surface for MF was that Mackie would implement HUI or some such midi protocol for Master Fader and I could use a midi surface (Berry BFC2000 maybe) to control faders in MF on the iPad. Behringer have the X-Touch in the pipeline which can control the X32 range directly (it even has built in wifi and LCD scribble strips) but it's tailored to recording not live use so is not ideal.
Title: Re: Master/My Fader V3 Wants and Speculation
Post by: Kev tyler on September 27, 2014, 03:59:47 PM
Hi Sam

Who knows what the x touch will do? It's another product in coming soon land,

Personally i thought the touch Compact with some Audio gubbins built in would have made the platform for  a better product than  the x18,

Just like the mute core, Another so near but so far product IMHO

 :lol:
Title: Re: Master/My Fader V3 Wants and Speculation
Post by: sam.spoons on September 27, 2014, 04:21:37 PM
There are good photos of the X-Touch (and X-T Compact) on the berry website. It has a large section of the real estate devoted to DAW control buttons/encoders/display none of which is useful for live mixing. It may be possible to reassign the buttons but it's a very inelegant solution. I'd be happy with 8 or 16 faders, each with LCD scribbles, a single encoder and, say, 4 assignable buttons plus a small, one fader, master section at the remote surface. Most channel functions (eq/dynamics/fx) are easily (and often better) done on the iPad it's mainly the physical faders you miss. If they could add in a couple of stereo inputs, talkback and phones out linked to the main mixer by wifi that would be icing for sure. Realistically, when I get my X32, a couple of BCF2000s to do the faders (especially if they'd do it via the iPad app, not available ATM I suspect) with the iPad for everything else should be a workable solution (or I could just buy an S16 or two  ::))
Title: Re: Master/My Fader V3 Wants and Speculation
Post by: Keyboard Magic on September 27, 2014, 11:07:25 PM
It would be really nice if the next version of Master Fader would come out soon and Mackie could fix the current issues plaguing a lot of DL owners with, say, a well thought out firmware update. No big UI changes (maybe a few updates), just remedy the immediate problems. Not too challenging for Mackie.  ???

Alas, I get the sneaking feeling that the next big release of Master Fader will coincide with the release of the new DL32, unfortunately.  ::)
Title: Re: Master/My Fader V3 Wants and Speculation
Post by: Kev tyler on September 28, 2014, 10:08:42 AM
I have to be honest

I am really put off buying a dl now after reading here, it's ok that a problem has arisen with the noise, but if they can't fix it, well

I am going to wait.

Kev
Title: Re: Master/My Fader V3 Wants and Speculation
Post by: sam.spoons on September 28, 2014, 09:40:18 PM
TBH I love my DL1608 but I wouldn't recommend one to a mate just now  :( If they get a good one, as most do, it'll be great but I'd be seriously embarrassed if they got one of he few duff-uns. Not sure where I stand but I still have confidence in my own DL, for now at least.
Title: Re: Master/My Fader V3 Wants and Speculation
Post by: Keyboard Magic on September 28, 2014, 11:14:21 PM
I agree with you Sam. If I may quote you?

"I wouldn't recommend one to a mate just now  :( If they get a good one, as most do, it'll be great but I'd be seriously embarrassed if they got one of the few duff-uns."

The school, where I run the sound for, has a new DL1608 and it works flawlessly. I really like using it. Good sound, the whole 9 yards. But until they work out the bugs, I would wait and check out the other offerings out there. If a new version of Master Fader does happen, it may just fix these issues.

Oct 1st: I sure hope Mackie puts up the revised Master Fader on the App Store soon. It would be nice to play with it.  8)
Title: Re: Master/My Fader V3 Wants and Speculation
Post by: Kev tyler on September 30, 2014, 07:53:56 AM
I try to be a glass half full type of guy, but I think with a new dl product on the cards, a new pre sonus product now shipping according to thomann and a berry x18 dl killer possibly around the corner from the back of beyond, mackie will not be concentrating on fixing the dl1608.

Call me a cynic, but.

Kev
Title: Re: Master/My Fader V3 Wants and Speculation
Post by: gerenm63 on October 09, 2014, 01:33:19 PM
This may sound a little strange, but I'd like the ability to stack effects. Specifically, I like to be able to send the delay return to the reverb send, so that everything sounds as if it's in the same "space."  I'm used to "wasting" channels for proper returns on an analog board to do this, as I usually bring my outboard effects back into the mixer on channel strips as opposed to the returns, and it should be relatively easy to do in DSP without wasting channels or aux sends. I know there's some danger in this, like being able to set up a "runaway" effect loop, especially if you're able to feed an effect right back to itself, but I think there's also a nice benefit to it.
Title: Re: Master/My Fader V3 Wants and Speculation
Post by: soundog on October 10, 2014, 03:27:19 PM
I have a new DL806 and sent Mackie support an e-mail asking a feature (or lack of) in Master Fader. Two days later, the response was terse and impersonal. No "sorry, that feature is not currently supported." No "here's how to request a feature" or "that's a god idea; we'll add that to our list of requests."

I just found and added requests on their Feature Request webpage, but it looks like there are a lot of people asking for a lot of things. Still, there have been minimal enhancements (more like adding stuff that should have been in V1.0) to the app since it intro'ed in June 2012. You would think adding features to an app would be a huge priority for them, especially basic stuff which should have been there initially.

I just put in an order for a Behringer XR12. I'll compare the two mixers when it arrives, and the loser goes to the auction block.
Title: Re: Master/My Fader V3 Wants and Speculation
Post by: RoadRanger on October 15, 2014, 08:04:34 PM
Here's a list of 36 items slated for 3.0 :) or will be DL32R only :( :
http://mackie.uservoice.com/forums/97035-dl-series/status/12717

Woo! :)
Title: Re: Master/My Fader V3 Wants and Speculation
Post by: robbocurry on October 15, 2014, 09:21:35 PM
Here's a list of 36 items slated for 3.0 :) or will be DL32R only :( :
http://mackie.uservoice.com/forums/97035-dl-series/status/12717

Woo! :)

This is impressive stuff RR, good job Beno!
Can't wait to try this out :)
Title: Re: Master/My Fader V3 Wants and Speculation
Post by: Jkowtko on October 15, 2014, 11:20:52 PM
So MF3 is the answer to all our prayers ... ;)

Except for multi-track recording, it looks as though the DL1608/806 will benefit from most of the new features.

I ultimately want a rack unit for a mixer that has no hard control surface, but MF3 will give my DL1608 a much longer lease on life now ...
Title: Re: Master/My Fader V3 Wants and Speculation
Post by: soundog on October 15, 2014, 11:42:24 PM
Wonder how long it will be before we see a Mackie DL16R and DL8R to compete with the Behringer XR18 and XR12? This is going to get interesting!

Snakeless "stageboxes" communicating wirelessly with a remote controller (iPad, computer, etc) are obviously the wave of the future.
Title: Re: Master/My Fader V3 Wants and Speculation
Post by: sam.spoons on October 16, 2014, 08:31:14 AM
Ultimately I still want a physical control surface to go with the mixer hardware stage rack (so I'm not paying for loads of mic preamps I don't need at the mix position). Allen & Heath already do it with the iLive system but at a huge price and Fostex had the LR16 in 2009 (with a built in 16 track digital recorder). Both are wired using Cat5 but I want to go a stage further by having the remote surface on WiFi with a few audio inputs at the mix position, one mono for talkback and a couple of stereo plus a stereo return for PFL (if WiFi can cope with 1080p HD video a few audio streams should be easy).

The problem for the manufacturers as I see it is that the physical controls are the most expensive bit of a digital desk but many people would baulk at paying as much for the control surface as they did for the rack  :facepalm:
Title: Re: Master/My Fader V3 Wants and Speculation
Post by: Jkowtko on October 16, 2014, 05:07:12 PM
I agree with you -- powered or non-powered fader options for physical control surface.  Make it modular (i.e. banks of 8?) so you can buy what you want.  I bought a BCF2000 to use with my Yamaha01v96 a while back ... worked okay for me, but the setup was a pain.  I would be nice to have something that was a good level up from this.

I don't know that any of the current systems are set up for that other than MIDI controls though ... and is MIDI that reliable or is a newer protocol needed?
Title: Master Fader 3.0
Post by: redwood on October 17, 2014, 01:37:05 AM
Culled a bunch of beno’s replies on the Mackie feature request forum, and MF 3.0 is gonna rock.

Unfortunately no support before iOS 7.1, but check out the good stuff

- it adds 4 subgroups and 4 VCAs to DL1608.

- the new mix selector shows custom names for Aux Sends.

- adds Overview to see all input and output channels at once.

- adds a recording level for DL1608 and DL806.

- adds a new input routing screen above the EQ allowing to easily adjust all routing from a particular channel.

- new Preset menu has reset button.

- adds exporting of presets and shows to email and Dropbox.

- adds a digital trim to all input channels.

- shows the last recalled snapshot in the navigation bar.

- allows flexible routing of the record source for DL1608 and DL806 (ie record from auxes).

- makes the color change for the selected mix much more prominent making it easy to differentiate the selected mix.

- channel colors have been added

- allows channels to be unassigned from the LR.

- adds improved navigation between mixer view and channel view.


oh and last but not least:


beno (Admin, Mackie) commented    October 16, 2014 2:38 PM

Fingers crossed, white noise is fixed in 3.0.
Title: Re: Master/My Fader V3 Wants and Speculation
Post by: ijpengelly on October 17, 2014, 09:40:39 AM
I like the idea of a physical control surface and agree that Wi-Fi would be more than capable of supporting it (though its the latency rather than bandwidth that's the challenge for real-time applications). If it allowed you to dock your iPad to provide the visual overview and then interface with the application that would probably be the best approach, so as to allow a manufacturer to create something that could be used with devices other than just the DL series. I am not all that clued up on MIDI, etc. but some kind of industry standard would probably have to be adopted so that the desk manufacturers application can easily interface with the hardware faders (not dissimilar to keyboards I guess).

If Mackie (or other mixer supplier) were to make such a device, I can't imagine it would be cheap. What would you be willing to play to have a hard interface?
Title: Re: Master/My Fader V3 Wants and Speculation
Post by: sam.spoons on October 17, 2014, 01:53:07 PM
There are a few conrtol protocols out there, Mackie's own HUI is probably the most used. If Mackie would include HUI control in Master Fader, I could plug a surface (Berry BCF2000 for example, cheap too) and assign the faders to channels, MF is fast enough to work like this (surely it would respond as quickly as it does to a move on another iDevice?) so the slight extra latency would be virtually unnoticeable.
Title: Re: Master/My Fader V3 Wants and Speculation
Post by: ijpengelly on October 18, 2014, 09:41:35 AM
Ahh, ok. Wasn't really that aware of that. Is that from the DAW market?

I am surprised we don't cross path's Sam given what a small world it is. Only last night I engineered for a duo acoustic act and the guy knew me from when I did an industrial placement at Arup in Manchester about 16 years ago!!
Title: Re: Master/My Fader V3 Wants and Speculation
Post by: sam.spoons on October 18, 2014, 09:58:55 AM
We may even have met, me hiding behind my real name (Chas BTW)  :lol:
Title: Re: Master/My Fader V3 Wants and Speculation
Post by: gerenm63 on October 19, 2014, 03:52:12 PM
This may have been posted previously, but I didn't see it...

When using a DL1608 or DL806, it would really like to be able to record to an iPhone 5 (or newer) or iPod Touch or Nano (while docked, or course). Right now, I use my iPhone 5 for break tunes, and I would like it if I didn't have to undock it, and dock an iPad to record.

Also, it would be nice if you could start and stop recording on the docked device from the device that's not docked. Obviously, this control would necessarily be limited to the recording function within the DL mixer app.
Title: Re: Master/My Fader V3 Wants and Speculation
Post by: sam.spoons on October 19, 2014, 04:03:34 PM
My iPhone 5S doesn't charge, playback, or record via a cheap 30pin-Lightning adaptor (which works fine for sync with iTunes on the MacBook) If anybody has a 30pin DL and a proper Apple 30pin-lightning adapter perhaps they could try it.

My iPod Touch 4thGen did playback and charged in the DL but I can't remember if it recorded with a third party app (I'll try it when I get home). Sadly it'll be toast when I upgrade to MF v3 as I can't do iOs7 (it will still have a use in my Akai Synthstation though).
Title: Re: Master/My Fader V3 Wants and Speculation
Post by: gerenm63 on October 19, 2014, 04:53:01 PM
My iPhone 5S doesn't charge, playback, or record via a cheap 30pin-Lightning adaptor (which works fine for sync with iTunes on the MacBook) If anybody has a 30pin DL and a proper Apple 30pin-lightning adapter perhaps they could try it.

My iPod Touch 4thGen did playback and charged in the DL but I can't remember if it recorded with a third party app (I'll try it when I get home). Sadly it'll be toast when I upgrade to MF v3 as I can't do iOs7 (it will still have a use in my Akai Synthstation though).

On my 30-pin DL1608, my iPhone 5 plays and charges using the real Apple 30-pin-to-lightning adapter cable. Using the same cable, my iPad Mini plays, records and charges.

I did just learn that I can record with a third-party app (RODE Rec LE) to my iPhone 5. I can't start/stop the recording remotely, but it does record (and in stereo, no less!).

Still, it would be nice to do handle recording/playback within the My Fader app.
Title: Re: Master/My Fader V3 Wants and Speculation
Post by: robbocurry on November 02, 2014, 08:20:07 PM
iPhone 6 plays back and charges with the official Apple 32 to Lightning adapter too, must try that Rode recording app.
I can see the forum lighting up when MF3.0 is launched - the raft of new features is maybe going to be like Xmas coming early or Friday 13th depending on how tech savvy you are!
With more features comes more complexity, MF has been a great interface so far compared to it's peers, let's hope it stays that way ;) :thu:
Title: Re: Master/My Fader V3 Wants and Speculation
Post by: Keyboard Magic on November 02, 2014, 09:17:27 PM
iPhone 6 plays back and charges with the official Apple 32 to Lightning adapter too, must try that Rode recording app.
I can see the forum lighting up when MF3.0 is launched - the raft of new features is maybe going to be like Xmas coming early or Friday 13th depending on how tech savvy you are!
With more features comes more complexity, MF has been a great interface so far compared to it's peers, let's hope it stays that way ;) :thu:

I hope MF 3.0 is going to have a short learning curve too.

I'm going for early Christmas myself and to put one in the spirit or "Spirits"....

Title: Re: Master/My Fader V3 Wants and Speculation
Post by: robbocurry on November 02, 2014, 10:45:28 PM
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iPhone 6 plays back and charges with the official Apple 32 to Lightning adapter too, must try that Rode recording app.
I can see the forum lighting up when MF3.0 is launched - the raft of new features is maybe going to be like Xmas coming early or Friday 13th depending on how tech savvy you are!
With more features comes more complexity, MF has been a great interface so far compared to it's peers, let's hope it stays that way ;) :thu:

I hope MF 3.0 is going to have a short learning curve too.

I'm going for early Christmas myself and to put one in the spirit or "Spirits"....
Awesome, thanks for the tree! :lol:

Title: Re: Master/My Fader V3 Wants and Speculation
Post by: Keyboard Magic on November 04, 2014, 05:42:52 PM
I'm sure we've all been trolling Mackie's Facebook page for hints of a release date this month for MF 3. There have been a few questions from people, but no straight answers from Mackie AKA: Beno. Does this mean they want to surprise us? I love surprises!  :eek: Yeah I know, it will come out when it comes out.  ;)
Title: Re: Master/My Fader V3 Wants and Speculation
Post by: Wynnd on November 04, 2014, 06:33:32 PM
there's one other possibility.  Maybe MF 3.0 for the DL1608 won't be available right away with the DL32R.  I hope I'm wrong about that.
Title: Re: Master/My Fader V3 Wants and Speculation
Post by: RoadRanger on November 04, 2014, 07:06:11 PM
Here's a list of 36 items slated for 3.0 :) or will be DL32R only :( :
http://mackie.uservoice.com/forums/97035-dl-series/status/12717
Just curious which of these features folks really want? As for me:
Import and Export of Shows and Presets: Meh for me.
Digital Trim: Possibly useful, mostly because I'm too lazy to tweak the gate/comp thresholds and gain (which is the correct way to do this).
Subgroups: Meh
DCAs: Meh
Recording Level: Meh (easily fixable in post production)
Record from Aux's: Woo!
Channel colors: Woo!
Overview screen: Woo!
Better differentiation between main and aux pages: Woo!

Most looking forward to connection and white noise fixes - I'd give up all the above for that :-) .
Title: Re: Master/My Fader V3 Wants and Speculation
Post by: Keyboard Magic on November 05, 2014, 01:06:49 AM
Here's a list of 36 items slated for 3.0 :) or will be DL32R only :( :
http://mackie.uservoice.com/forums/97035-dl-series/status/12717
Just curious which of these features folks really want? As for me:
Import and Export of Shows and Presets: Meh for me.
Digital Trim: Possibly useful, mostly because I'm too lazy to tweak the gate/comp thresholds and gain (which is the correct way to do this).
Subgroups: Meh
DCAs: Meh
Recording Level: Meh (easily fixable in post production)
Record from Aux's: Woo!
Channel colors: Woo!
Overview screen: Woo!
Better differentiation between main and aux pages: Woo!

Most looking forward to connection and white noise fixes - I'd give up all the above for that :-) .

Import and export of shows   :thu:
Digital Trim, I'm lazy too   :thu:
Recording Levels   50/50
Overview screen   :thu:
Channel colors  :thu:

The other stuff   :-\

I'd like them to fix white noise and connection issues too, for all those that are experiencing it. Let's hope the firmware update makes a difference.
Title: Re: Master/My Fader V3 Wants and Speculation
Post by: RoadRanger on November 18, 2014, 05:45:46 AM
V3.0 released - Woo!
http://cacophony.aspinock.com/index.php?topic=765.0