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Unofficial Mackie User Forums => DL1608/DL806/DL32R/ProDX Mixers => Topic started by: WK154 on April 27, 2014, 02:37:19 AM
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KM today updated to iOS 7.1.1 and his DL wouldn't function anymore. So anyone else update and found it problematic or is this a fluke? 50 Yrs in the computer biz taught me one thing for sure, let the other guys bleed first. Wasn't one of the settings for successful use of the DL to turn off auto-update on the iPad?
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I updated and didn't experience any problems last night. Auto update is shut off. (I did forget to bring a backup mixer. Was planning to.)
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Much to my chagrin, my auto updates were turned off, but I chose to update all my iOS devices just the same :facepalm: Yes, and supposedly having quite a fair background in computers I ran the updates anyway! :facepalm: That'll teach me! :-[ :facepalm: Better go, bleeding all over my iPad at this particular moment :lol:
iOS = iNCLUDED Obsolescence Standard Sorry, didn't really mean to bash Apple. :P I really do like my iPad/iPod. ;)
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Sorry for your experience. Aren't you able to back pedal the ipad to its prior version? I've got a full back up on my Mac. Need to check out the how or why not. There were a few others who had some problems with either the Master Fader upgrade or the ios upgrade. I'm running an ipad 2. Bought that because I can't see the difference in the retina display from the ipad 2 and the 30 pin connector was the only one available when I purchased the DL1608 last September. Outside of the Master Fader and My Fader apps, nothing is critical on my ipad. (Though I'm planning on taking it instead of my MacBook on this summer's motorcycle trip to the Northwest. Smaller is always good on a bike. I might want to rethink my backup for that trip and move it to the cloud. Might be a good time to buy an ipad mini or only take my iphone.)
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Wynnd,
Thank you. I appreciate the sentiments :thu: Everyone here is so nice. That's why I am staying on. As for the complete backup of the previous iOS? "Insert slap to the back of the head here" :facepalm: Of course I didn't back it up, even with all my computer background and always telling clients to: backup! backup!! backup!! :eek:
It's a moot point at this point ??? Since I no longer have my DL. Got a full refund though. I will keep my eyes open, suck back and reload! May wait for the DL1608 II? Or not! ;)
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OK that's 50/50 I don't like those odds. Anyone else????
RR wake up!!!
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KM today updated to iOS 7.1.1 and his DL wouldn't function anymore. So anyone else update and found it problematic or is this a fluke? 50 Yrs in the computer biz taught me one thing for sure, let the other guys bleed first. Wasn't one of the settings for successful use of the DL to turn off auto-update on the iPad?
See details here: http://cacophony.aspinock.com/index.php?topic=648.msg6105#msg6105
I've got to learn not to live on the bleeding edge. Even Apple is getting bad with their updates. And I thought M$ was bad with their updates. Should have known better. Had no sync issues until I updated to 7.1.1 >:(
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Since the inception of the DL, Mackie has been quote "working with Apple" to mate the iPad with the DL. In a perfect world when an iOS update comes along, it shouldn't mess things up. They, Mackie, shouldn't have to play catch up with something that should have been thought of and planned at the beginning. Of course that's in a perfect world and even with software patches and updates to major operating systems, things go wrong.
Is it even possible to encourage Mackie to sit up and listen?
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So far only one person has reported a problem with ios 7.1.1 It's very unfortunate, but I'd call that a fluke at this point. Something probably happened at the same time, but wasn't caused by it. That's my take on it.
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So far only one person has reported a problem with ios 7.1.1 It's very unfortunate, but I'd call that a fluke at this point. Something probably happened at the same time, but wasn't caused by it. That's my take on it.
That's KM and Gio vs you that's 2 to 1 odds so far. ;)
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??? :) Nothing like be a statistic. :P Now if only I could spell and be good at grammar too. :facepalm: I meant being a statistic. 8)
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Well look at it another way, now you count for something :).
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True! ;)
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I just updated one of my iPads and left the other one without the update. They both work docked and wirelessly.
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I'd test mine but it wouldn't really give any usable reference point. Since I've owned it, through every other MF and IOS update, my DL1608 works great "sometimes" while other times it requires reboots of the ipad, a different iPad altogether, reboot of the mixer, reflashing of the iPad, wireless connection with one iPad first to get the other iPad to be recognized in the dock, etc, etc.
Unfortunately at this point the only thing I'll be testing with it is the the resale market.
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So the real answer is that ios 7.1.1 isn't a DL killer. (At least for most of us.)
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I did the update, and the issue I was having with docked synching seems to have been resolved, so for me :thu: all good :D
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So been going over some of the old posts about iOS updates causing many of the similar issues that I experienced with my 7.1.1 update. Very interesting indeed that iOS updates look like they have been at the centre of DL headaches for some of us for some time. Has this been a trend for an unlucky few ? Is this a Mackie or Apple miscommunication problem? Someone not sharing important data with someone else?
From the older posts it sure looks to me like I'm not the only one that got pooched with doing an iOS update. Someone (we know who :facepalm: ) needs to play catchup regarding future updates. The DL while it worked was a damn good easy to use, great sounding mixer. Master Fader had a very short learning curve too. Maybe Apple just doesn't like sharing everything with Mackie? Hopefully the next master fader update may smooth out some issues. I know, just don't update your iOS. If it ain't broke don't fix it. ;)
End of Rant
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Please ignore the last post. If you checked my others posts in "Jumping into the DL..... etc etc. You will see that I have been emailing with Mackie over this issue (Ben Olswang in particular) Here's an excerpt that proves my assumptions about iOS causing the issues, mine in particular, so wrong.
1st email: "We have had no reported issues from thousands of users with iOS7.1.1. It has been out for some time and we have tested it fully with Master Fader. I’d obviously like to know more about the problems you discovered but I don’t believe they were caused by iOS7.1.1."
And last email: " Sounds like a hardware issue with the mixer. Maybe the dock connector itself. "
WK154 responded kindly to me about these Mackie issues, and this response from Mackie to me proves he was right. The bribe is in the mail. ;)
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Make that a case of Clos Du Bois Cab. :) The traditional defense is to put the opposition into offense (start a fire in their camp). Ben has been around AFAIK since Greg Mackie's time and is clearly a survivor. Don't loose sight of who your dealing with. I've been dealing with him (in the Mackie Forum days) and more recently with Tech support with mixed or no results.
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Please ignore the last post. If you checked my others posts in "Jumping into the DL..... etc etc. You will see that I have been emailing with Mackie over this issue (Ben Olswang in particular) Here's an excerpt that proves my assumptions about iOS causing the issues, mine in particular, so wrong.
1st email: "We have had no reported issues from thousands of users with iOS7.1.1. It has been out for some time and we have tested it fully with Master Fader. I’d obviously like to know more about the problems you discovered but I don’t believe they were caused by iOS7.1.1."
And last email: " Sounds like a hardware issue with the mixer. Maybe the dock connector itself. "
WK154 responded kindly to me about these Mackie issues, and this response from Mackie to me proves he was right. The bribe is in the mail. ;)
Very clever reply. Perhaps not lying, but not exactly being transparent either. Maybe no issues with 7.1.1 that WEREN'T ALREADY THERE with previous versions, but I've already had their support admit to me that they can repeat some of the errors I've reported. The loss of connection is a well known problem. I know people with is, there are some here who have reported it, and I've read about others with the problem on Facebook. I myself reported the connection and "pink noise blast" issues, along with supporting video, several months ago.
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So you may get a DL that works most of the time, or you may not? Was it just chance that my DL started becoming unstable after 7.1.1 update to ipads? Actually scratch that, it looks like a good bet that it was a combination of hardware and software.
So you may get a DL that works or one that's full of bugs. I guess iOS is fairly stable ??? running on iDevices, sort of ::) most of the time, but try to communicate with other "iOS" or non iOS hardware is a gamble? I've had success with iOS and other USB 1.1 non digital mixers for 2 track audio recording. Is a digital mixer that depends solely on the iPad for operation, really ready for prime time? I guess Behringer and QSC may have gotten it right.
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So you may get a DL that works most of the time, or you may not? Was it just chance that my DL started becoming unstable after 7.1.1 update to ipads? Actually scratch that, it looks like a good bet that it was a combination of hardware and software.
So you may get a DL that works or one that's full of bugs. I guess iOS is fairly stable ??? running on iDevices, sort of ::) most of the time, but try to communicate with other "iOS" or non iOS hardware is a gamble? I've had success with iOS and other USB 1.1 non digital mixers for 2 track audio recording. Is a digital mixer that depends solely on the iPad for operation, really ready for prime time? I guess Behringer and QSC may have gotten it right.
It's a slick concept, but between the fingers in dyke, the ones pointing at each other as the source of the problems, and the middle ones pointing at the user in the form of no fix for the problems, I guess it's understandable Mackie has been all thumbs.
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I said it before and I'll say it again. Stop docking your iPads! Problem solved. All you lose is iPad playback channel and direct to iPad recording. How many of you complaining about the issue must have the iPad docked?
Yes it is a problem, and probably a combination of hardware and software. It should be figured out. But until you move on to a better mixer you need to work with what you have. KM, get the rack and be done with your debate.
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I said it before and I'll say it again. Stop docking your iPads! Problem solved. All you lose is iPad playback channel and direct to iPad recording. How many of you complaining about the issue must have the iPad docked?
Yes it is a problem, and probably a combination of hardware and software. It should be figured out. But until you move on to a better mixer you need to work with what you have. KM, get the rack and be done with your debate.
I took this advice 8)
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Jerrylee,
Sorry you feel that way about this debate, but I did get the hint. I didn't have to have the iPad docked, but that's what the dock is for. I ran my DL wirelessly every time I used it. It only crapped out with the iPad inserted. I am considering moving on, since I have just put a deposit on a new QSC Touchmix 16. Doesn't mean I am going to buy it yet when it is finally to market though. ;)
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The qsc will probably flop like the line 6 m20. The x product line is a huge hit and will be around for a very long time. Behringer is putting a hurting on a lot of competition. I know a ton of pro companies, local and national touring band, in mutiple countries, that have all gone the x route. This is why I keep telling you to get the rack and be done with it. It is a phenomenal piece of kit. What it offers, especially at the price point, is incredible.
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And are you sure you aren't being paid by Behringer? Generally they only hurt other companies competing for the bottom feeders. They've never hurt anyone building high end products. I doubt that any of their speaker products has hurt even JBL. (And they aren't even on the high end of speaker producers.)
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Line 6 is owned by Yamaha and QSC's has been in the making for 4 years and I've never seen them fail on anything. Good luck on your prediction JL. :)
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Line 6 was not a big failure too. Until the m20. And I have a ton of qsc equipment. The mixer is just not up to the challenge of its closest competition. And wynnd the x32 line has been on tour with dozens of national acts, and many high end audio companies. And do you not think it replaced their high end mixers? The answer is it sure has. There is a big company here in Florida called freelance. They have replaced almost all their high end mixers with x32s. I was actually shocked they did. And other people are following suit. You need to do some research.
And we are talking about mixers not speakers. Stay on track.
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It seems a lot of the Behringer X-Series owners are trying to justify their purchases at every opportunity, why try so hard?
Are you trying to convince yourselves you've done the right thing?
Is it because in the back of your mind you know you've bought a product from the world's number one cheap mass producer of sound equipment?
Surely you must know the reputation that precedes that manufacturer?
Do you hold your breath every time you hit the power button, waiting for the inevitable?
The X series wouldn't be cheap for me because I'd need to buy two of everything just to have backup units.
What price "peace of mind"?
Big or small, every gig is important to me. I couldn't take a chance on a brand I don't trust.
In the long run, you get what you pay for.
IMHO it's still early days for the "new Behringer".
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JR you don't mind if I side with Yamaha on their assessment of Line 6's technology, I think they have far more insight into this business than you. IMHO Line 6 just needs some strong marketing and distribution which they will get, possibly a price adjustment but hardly a failure. As to the QSC time will tell but they have a strong following that won't buy Behringer. I can't complain about "B" since all my "B" gear works just fine including my X32 and I do have a ton of "B" gear. A handful of rental companies do not make an industry, clearly you never ran a business. :)
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Anyone here actually had a play with the Line 6 (md20)?