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Unofficial Mackie User Forums => DL1608/DL806/DL32R/ProDX Mixers => Topic started by: WK154 on June 05, 2014, 06:20:07 PM
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"Here we go again" a famous quote from Ronald Reagan not RR. The dust hasn't even settled on iOS 7 so what better way to remove focus on all it's problems but to announce iOS 8. Way to go fruit.
http://www.apple.com/ios/ios8/?cid=wwa-us-kwg-ipad-com
Now a yearly event?
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OIY!!! :facepalm: Catch Up Time for Mackie or not?? :P
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I'm not seeing a problem yet, but turn off automatic updates so it requires your approval to install. And none of this guaruntees that Master Fader will work correctly.
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Now that everyone in development land has heard all the good news and was sent packing from WWDC with the new Apple Sauce for iOS 8 this should be an interesting year, that's all they have til iOS 9. Ah yes the "Borg have landed", paranoia is infectious and Steve lives on. Apps will be removed that don't meet the new anti-social attitude or is it power fever. Let's rewrite everything in Swift the new Apple language. :lol: No time for writing apps got to keep up with Apple.
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We are now a few days away from release of iOS 8. If you look at all the Apple propaganda there is nary a mention of the word AUDIO. HD playback is the closest you get. Does that give you a hint of the importance to Apple of AUDIO? The SDK for developers covers all kinds of new toys but not a hint of AUDIO, you really have to dig to find it.
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What are the ramifications of updating to iOS 8 and Master Fader 2.1.1.? Will Master Fader fail? Or since the announcement of the DL32R supposedly being released next month, is Mackie releasing an updated version of Master Fader with the iOS 8 release? I am certainly not going to update my iPads just in case. We await with baited breath. :P
PS: WK I did read your most recent post ("Does that give you a hint of the importance to Apple of AUDIO? The SDK for developers covers all kinds of new toys but not a hint of AUDIO, you really have to dig to find it.")
It does look bleak for compatibility with the current version of Master Fader.
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Your guess is as good as mine. I hope they will fix the noise/sync problem and nothing else. That would make my day. I think on the DL16/32r it will be announced not released. Notice the lack of the control surface pics, my guess it's not close enough to be shown. If it's like the MF just more channels and a few fixes (preamps) it will be a non-starter. Just like Apple's iPhone 6 being scooped by Samsung Notepad 4. Presonus scooped Mackie big time and I don't think they expected that. Shipping at the end of September, probably October.
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WK; If I may quote you?
"I hope they will fix the noise/sync problem and nothing else. That would make my day."
That would be nice. ::) And I don't use one (DL that is) very often, except at the school. I'll have to watch the video again, but from what I've seen, they don't reveal too much. Hmmm! I actually liked the Presonus video much better. More info! The ball is indeed in Mackie's court. I wonder if Beno is lurking? ;)
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September 17th is the magic day. After Tim Cook announced that Apple just about invented everything that's good in the world maybe they can produce a good OS. Don't forget to get your FREE U2 album and remember from now on you can pay all your bills by looking at your AppleWatch, as long as you have your iPhone in your pocket ::) ::) ::).
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AC/DC's " Highway to Hell" comes to mind! :P No? ::) Contrary to that comment, I really do love all the tech goodies as long as everything plays nice with everything else. ;)
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Thought the presentation was good. Will upgrade one of my ipads and test it out before upgrading the rest of my ios devices. I don't have any gigs scheduled close to that time. ios hasn't been much of a problem from my personal experience. (All my upgrades have gone well, but I've only had the mixer for a year at this point.)
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I was concerned about upgrading my iDevices to iOS 8 and what effect it might have on Master Fader and the school’s DL that I run. Basically will it turn the DL into a very expensive paper weight? So I posed my concern to the man at Mackie, Ben O. Here is the response:
“There shouldn’t be any issues. We have been testing the Betas and will continue to do so until apple launches. But it is always best to not be the first person to dive in with your production hardware, just in case Apple changes something at the last minute. I would watch the forum and our facebook or twitter. We will announce if things are good ASAP.”
The cautionary tone of the above quote doesn’t instill a lot of confidence in my mind. But like you mentioned Wynnd and a very smart idea it is too. :thu: Just upgrade one iDevice to iOS 8 and find out if it works. “Might as well jump” as they say.
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KM By now you should know that marketing types aren't going to give the correct answer or any answer at all. Case in point QSC's Brad Zell, Mackie's Ben Olswang, and let's not forget Uli Behringer. They will tell you what you want to hear or avoid an answer altogether, they actually train for this. If you can find an engineer that can be assured that it won't get back to him, then you may have a chance at an honest answer. Other than that you need to rely on people without a vested interest or not threatened by giving an answer, and they need to know what their talking about. Quite a challenge. :)
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I was concerned about upgrading my iDevices to iOS 8 and what effect it might have on Master Fader and the school’s DL that I run. Basically will it turn the DL into a very expensive paper weight? So I posed my concern to the man at Mackie, Ben O. Here is the response:
“There shouldn’t be any issues. We have been testing the Betas and will continue to do so until apple launches. But it is always best to not be the first person to dive in with your production hardware, just in case Apple changes something at the last minute. I would watch the forum and our facebook or twitter. We will announce if things are good ASAP.”
The cautionary tone of the above quote doesn’t instill a lot of confidence in my mind. But like you mentioned Wynnd and a very smart idea it is too. :thu: Just upgrade one iDevice to iOS 8 and find out if it works. “Might as well jump” as they say.
That's rich coming from BenO, I seem to remember there was a Mackie forum once!
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Apple has a vast customer base to cover, what small percentage are musicians or DL1608 owners?
The fine detail of iOS8 will reveal itself in due course.
Apple aren't making their operating systems to suit us or Mackie. Third parties are making their tech to work on iOS.
Time marches on, why would Apple waste resources fixing problems on an out of date OS?
Stuff will work on it but not everybody will be happy, but that's life!
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On the other hand, after living through OS changes running from PC-DOS 1.1 through Windows 7 and Mac OS 7.1 through Mavericks, Apple doesn't make many mistakes. (Nobody's perfect, but there are differences in how well things are done. Microsoft in an effort to be everything to everybody, probably has had the harder job.) So the probability is everything will work fine, but with this being a critical component of the DL mixers, we need to be cautious.
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Ah, there’s still that part of you occasionally putting on the rose colored glasses that wants to give them the benefit of the doubt now and then. Just hoping they will be straight with you and having a bit of faith in human nature. Then reality sets in.
That’s why I like this forum, there are many honest, professional and experienced straight shooters here and that’s refreshing. I’ve picked up so much good information and knowledge since I joined. Kudos to everyone!! :thu:
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Wynnd,
Yes living through OS changes especially on Windows platforms was and is still challenging. Windows ME, Vista and 8/8.1 for example (Windows 7 was better IMO). I’ve installed these OSes many times on client computers over the years and everyone was a different challenge.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but wasn’t the Mac OS originally designed to run only on Apple hardware? (and iOS today for their portable devices) Thus avoiding hardware issues and fails making the platform relatively stable and reliable versus Windows which has to be able to run on a variety of different hardware configurations and work most of the time. Which does lead to unstable drivers and the like.
To make a long point longer, I think I may have a little more faith in upgrading iOS versions than Windows. But as you mentioned wisely, caution is still required. Time will tell and hopefully as discussed many times before, a better version of Master Fader may help, if and when it’s released.
I think it's time for milk and cookies right now! (oatmeal chocolate chip to be exact) ;)
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Hey KM,
ME, Vista and Win8 all suck(ed) IMHO - regardless of hardware!
I use a mixture of Mac & PC and I've built a Hackintosh which runs very nicely, very stable :)
Most of the time I use Win 7, it's a great platform for my work and gives no bother at all.
I'm on Mavericks and it works flawlessly but TBH, I prefer Win 7.
Android - naaah, not for me! Too fussy, too bitty, not natural for me. But that's only my opinion ;)
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Yeah I like 7 better, even though I'm running 8.1 currently on my newish laptop. Just trying to get with the times. I am running StartIsBack to have my familiar desktop look though. I've found 8.1 a bit faster to boot, load programs and shut down a little faster. But there's still some bugs, like every OS I guess, that can be annoying some times. I have considered a few times though to downgrade back to 7. If I had a bit more cash and was doing a lot of music/audio work I think I would be using a mac though. Just my thoughts.
No Android for me. Don't like their touch screen layout. Did some Linux a few years back, had to run scripts remotely to test a communications protocol for Shoppers Drug Mart. (big drugstore chain here) They were trying to link all their stores together with data exchange software and satellite hardware. Late 90's I think. At least I didn't have to write the scripts, just had manually type them in, no GUI front end. Linux is too confusing for me. I'll stick with Windows for now and iOS. I do kinda like it.
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A lot of complaining about Windows 8. I really think that MS was right to do it now. Apple will probably have the software installed on Mavericks before they ever put out a touch screen Mac. (And it's time for it. I'm already trying to scroll that way.) While the tiles screen is throwing everyone off, in the long run it is the way to go. But knowing MS, they'll probably toss it away some time anyway.
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Wynnd (sorry WK :-[ )
I force my self to use the Start Screen to get used to it. At least in 8.1 there's the ability to customize it a little more and make it work for you. You can remove/uninstall quite a bit if you want too, which is better. I think with all the pressure/flak MS is getting, Windows 9 may be a bit different and more familiar to us old codgers (present company excluded, accepted ;) ) and easier to use. I do find myself using the Start Screen more and more and less the desktop though. 8)
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KM,
I forced myself to skip every other version of Windows, less of a waste of my time. My view of an operating system is a service that should be transparent to the user. After all it's about an application and its user interaction. Providing sufficient facilities for developers to make things easy to deal with the hardware and common data handling tasks is the task of libraries. Yes the Unix model and other OS's. Apple likes to blur those lines and control everything possible. At the end of the day Mackie has the responsibility to make their product work regardless of what Apple does. Making bad decisions by locking yourself into one supplier is not the buyers problem, making uninformed decisions is.
For those of you interested in my choice of Windows OS versions:
NT3 (V3.1 etc.)
NT5 (XP)
NT7 (Windows 7)
NT9 (TBD) now labeled 10
I had interim versions but never installed them at clients.
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WK;
100% right on this. Mackie and possibly some others do have the responsibility. We do (should make) have to make informed decisions and choices not only for one small area, but in every thing we buy or do, but we all fall off the rails occasionally, some more than others.
IE: our current Mayor of Toronto. Don't need to say too much here. Unfortunately he made some bad choices. Now he may be fighting for his very life in hospital. His choices shouldn't affect whether he is now ill at all, but in this case it's a good bet that some of his choices directly affected his health. Sorry this one's not bothering me too much at all. :( Very hot topic here.
(Cue deep announcer's voice)
"And on a lighter note, this reference says it all: (Yoda's voice here) " Do or do not, there is no try"
Should've taken the blue pill!!!
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For those of you interested the iOS 8 Gold Master was released to developers on Sept. 9th. Hope Mackie is busy testing MF with it. :)
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The big mystery is whether multitasking with split screen will make it in. This may be a possible relieve for using other than MF record/playback. May even help sync problems if they are timing related.
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Just for conversation sake, who’s going to be the first here to update one or more of their iPads to iOS 8 and test it docked on their DL? I’m going out on a limb and update my older iPad 2 first and try it docked with the school’s DL. Of course if I turn it (DL) into a boat anchor, I am toast. :facepalm: I’m having a lot of faith that everything will go smoothly though. ;)
For me though, there's always that little bit of excitement upgrading to a new or updated OS, to see what, if any, cool changes have been done. 8)
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KM updating the iPad will not affect the DL. Two separate devices worst case it won't dock.
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Knowing my track record here with my one and only DL, time will tell! ;)
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I'll be biting, but will make sure that I have a fully restorable backup before doing the upgrade. (Will probably rename the backup to ensure that upgrading can't wipe it out.) I back up all my ios devices to my macbook, so will go through them all first and upgrade them probably at the same time. My experience with ios upgrades has been good, and I don't have any mission critical situations for a few weeks. Will report back as soon as I've been able to test it.
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What do we always tell our computer clients endlessly?
Backup, backup, backup! Then back up some more! You can never
backup too much. But do we always take that advice? Of course not!
Yes Wynnd it is really good advice to do full backups of all your iOS devices,
before upgrading to a new O/S. :thu:
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So the big question I have is whether Mackie is testing with the current released version or working on a new version or update.
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Gio, haven't heard from you in a while hope all is good. You and me both would like to know what Mackie's up to. Too busy with the new product? Time will tell.
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Indeed. “Time keeps on slipping…” Sorry musician here. Can’t resist. I know, resist already. “ Resistance is futile” Ughhh. I’d better quit now before I get banned for atrocious attempts at humor. :facepalm:
On a more serious note, Ben’s letter to me, (quote on page 1 of this topic) if you interpret it a certain way, means they are testing the current version 2.1.1 of MF with iOS 8 betas. I really really really hope that they are testing with a new and improved version of MF. To quote you WK: "Time will tell." That sums it up perfectly!. :thu:
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Gio, haven't heard from you in a while hope all is good. You and me both would like to know what Mackie's up to. Too busy with the new product? Time will tell.
Bill, IT business is a little slow. Have had more time to practice. Just sent some of my harmonicas off to be customized. I don't know if I'm just lucky or what, but my last 2 recordings from the DL have come out great. Very hard to due with a 5 piece band and amplification on stage as well. Is the pricing for the new 32-channel DL going to be cheaper the the X32? I guess it's vaporware at this point. Hoping Ben O can chime in and let us know in a new version of MF is near release time of IOS 8. Kepi is going in for spinal neck surgery either at the end of this month or next month, so our gig schedule will slow for a bit.
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Hope everything will go fine for Kepi. Gio BenO just showed up to attempt to try to do some damage control, remember he punches a clock at Mackie. If they're not price competitive it will be another failed attempt by them in digital mixers market.
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Release time is in about 2 hrs. from now, but specs are out at Apple. Nary a mention of multitasking even without split-screen. Well maybe in another version. :(
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Release time is in about 2 hrs. from now, but specs are out at Apple. Nary a mention of multitasking even without multi-screen. Well maybe in another version. :(
So what is IOS 8 going to give us exactly? More headaches?
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Patience my friend, patience. Don't enable iCloud if you must be one of the first to jump from the frying pan into the fire. A week is a good time to let the problems sort themselves out and the download servers recover. Apple isn't well known for dealing with high volume traffic, case in point their disaster at the iPhone 6 intro.
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If Apple were still a small demand product, it wouldn't be a problem. But my ios 8 update is downloading into my iphone 4s right now. That's working better than anyone has a right to expect this close to it's release. I don't have any critical DL1608 usage coming up soon, so I consider myself a good tester in this case. After updating my iphone and ipad, I'll test out the DL to see if I can get it to squeal. Should have a report for you in a few hours. Unfortunately, I've never experienced the White noise issue and only once had the docked disconnect issue, so anything that doesn't cause this in ios 8, won't let me know if it cures the issue. (Personally not expecting ios 8 to do much as far as Master Fader goes.)
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We're all keeping our fingers crossed it's not broken. The one test would be for sync but I don't expect a solution. The other of course would be someone with consistent noise on playback, but again I don't expect a resolution. But the next MF might just have the problem solved. :) As I said before. BenO the clock is running! ;D Tshu can doit amigo.
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This is one slow installing update. It's been almost an hour and my iphone 4S isn't done yet. (Though the progress bar has just finished, probably will reboot next.)
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I recall how I felt when I upgraded to windows 95 from win 3.1. I was totally amazed. It was like getting a new computer. Progress bar has started up again. (Might happen several times. Haven't been watching very closely.) I've been watching episodes of Unforgettable in the mean time. I had archived my last backups so they wouldn't be overwritten. Update just finished on my iphone. Gotta go play!
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Just updated my iPhone 4S to iOS 8, after I backed it all up to iTunes. Sure enough a small glitch. Even after 2 complete reboots, the settings icon was showing 1 update still. Check under settings and updates and the phone is completely updated. 10 minute, pleasant call to Apple Help Desk, the only solution was to either turn off all updates to remove the notification or do a complete reset of the phone.
Gonna bite the bullet and reset the phone through iTunes on the laptop, then restore all my junk. My iPod Touch 5 came through with flying colors. No issues. I guess the big one is to now update one iPad and try it out with the school’s DL tomorrow. Woo Hoo! :P
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It's better to deal with the devil you know than the one you don't. Wait a day. 50/50 is not a good track record.
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This is one slow installing update. It's been almost an hour and my iphone 4S isn't done yet. (Though the progress bar has just finished, probably will reboot next.)
It's 1.1 gigs. No wonder it takes so long!! :lol:
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Well, Is anyone brave enough to upgrade their iPad to IOS 8 and dock it on the DL......... :lol:
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I'm sticking with a week, besides tonight is my "chorus gig" night.
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After a follow up return call from Apple Service, no real answer. Probably a software glitch. It’s not affecting the operation of my phone. So if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it. Apple said that it might clear itself, or after an iOS 8 patch update.
I’m going to leave the iPads at 7.1.1 for now. Just in case. And maybe in the interim an update to Master Fader will appear? Or it's announced that the current version of Master Fader is compatible with iOS 8. I won't wait in anticipation though.
" Definitely not brave to try an updated iPad on someone else's DL1608" Especially the school where my wife teaches full time! :facepalm:
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Updated both ipads and iphone 4S. update went smoothly. Not using icloud for nearly anything. (find my iphone and syncing my calendars.) Will try them with the DL tomorrow. (Too late tonight.) Everything looks good. I love the on the fly speech to text translation. (Still pretty good, but much faster.) Had my first ipad call coming in with my iphone. (Answered the iphone, but noted the ringing(?) ipad. Might want to figure out how to shut that off when running the mixer.)
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That would be an interesting scenario… Uhhhh, your mixer’s ringing ?? ??? ;)
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I've taken to watching TV shows on my ipad. That works well and videos in general run much better under ios 8. Right now ios 8 is looking good. Will run the DL1608 tests later this morning. (I don't keep my equipment in the house. Use a storage locker instead. That is the primary reason none of my gig equipment was damaged last year in the flooding. We had about 6"s in the basement. Our neighbors had about 4 feet. I've been afraid to check out my Vox Continental organ. It most likely didn't survive the flooding.)
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I finally convinced myself to update one of my iPads to iOS 8 after a lot of waffling. (no waffles though) It went smoothly. There were no glitches like on my iPhone. I was impressed. I decided to ask the school if I could come by and try it with their DL. They actually let me borrow it instead to test it thoroughly at home. I’m glad they trust me.
Well I was delightedly surprised that the iPad and the DL worked flawlessly. Even the wireless worked 100%. Nice! So I’m going to take a leap of faith and upgrade the other iPad as well. I guess this DL is one of the better ones that was built. It was a 50/50 chance and this time it worked. I got lucky. I took the “red pill” this time.
Wynnd, A lot of homes here in Toronto were damaged by the heavy rains a while back. We were unscathed but I really hope that your priceless Organ was not damaged. I would feel the same way, you have to find out, but really really don't want to look.
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My poor Vox is hardly priceless. It was the second organ I bought. (1972 I think.) Actually, my first organ was an Ace Tone, the third was a Hammond X5 which was built by Ace Tone. My current gig-rig is a Roland VK-77 and RD300GX. Roland was started by the man who started Ace Tone. So that musical line has followed me since 1968. Only owned three keyboards that had nothing to do with either Ace Tone or Roland.
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Collector's item maybe? It's still hard to have any musical gear trashed though. The first organ I ever put my hands on was the B3 back in the 70's at Humber College. That was so cool and what a sound with the Leslie Speaker. If I had the room, I'd like to have a reconditioned "B" in the house. 8) Can't beat mechanical tone generators!
Aside from my main instrument AKA my avatar, I've graduated to the Roland Atelier AT800 at the big seniors home I volunteer at. WOW, power trip indeed. :)
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Good to know that the basics are still working. Now for the problems, are they affected? Sync loss, lower charge level on iPad below 85% and test to speed things up. Of course if you haven't had a sync problem before it's meaningless. Noise, play music and wait. Again if you haven't experienced noise it's not a test. BenO said he would let us know (Mackie's Facebook and Twitter) if everything is OK well it's been 8 days and NOTHING. Shows you how much they care. >:(
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Noticed that some apps that worked on iOS 7.x now open and suddenly disappear to background. They won’t stay opened at all even if you close them and try again. Coincidently they are audio apps across the iDevice platforms. The only ones that are stable are Master Fader 2.1.1 on iPads and My Fader on iPhone and iPod Touch. I haven’t tried any other apps yet to see if they’re stable.
WK, you mentioned this a while back about Apple not saying anything about audio improvements in the new iOS 8 amongst all the other features.
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KM can you name some of these apps along with version # ?
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Bad Piggies died. Not a loss actually. Will look at the others.
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One Track Mind App :https://itunes.apple.com/ca/app/one-track-mind/id509958487?mt=8 version 1.1.1
Tape by Focusrite: https://itunes.apple.com/ca/app/tape-by-focusrite/id681747796?mt=8 version 1.0.2
I use Tape for 2 track stereo audio recording occasionally and it did work very well for me before the update.
These are the only 2 that have given me trouble. I know that's not a lot, and they are not critical, but it is annoying. I suspect, hope, that there are new versions of these in the works,
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Just did some testing. No problems with the docked ipad. my ipad-mini was running some music airplay and when I opened Master Fader it immediately reverted the sound output to the ipad-mini and wouldn't allow airplay to hook up. It's not a make or break thing, but if others are seeing it too, it is something to be aware of. I don't know if the issue is two possible music sources or two sound controllers running at the same time. (Didn't go into it very deeply.) I was enjoying running airplay and used it with some frequency at rehearsals. (Cover band.) Didn't check My Fader. (Hopefully the problem isn't there.)
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Just did some testing. No problems with the docked ipad. my ipad-mini was running some music airplay and when I opened Master Fader it immediately reverted the sound output to the ipad-mini and wouldn't allow airplay to hook up. It's not a make or break thing, but if others are seeing it too, it is something to be aware of. I don't know if the issue is two possible music sources or two sound controllers running at the same time. (Didn't go into it very deeply.) I was enjoying running airplay and used it with some frequency at rehearsals. (Cover band.) Didn't check My Fader. (Hopefully the problem isn't there.)
I upgraded both my iPads (Gen 3 and Gen 5 (Air)). Didn't have any issues. iPad 3 is docked and iPad Air remote. I use a program called LouderLogic for house music using Air Play off my Airport Express. No issues with the sound output at all. Airplay works just great and seems to get along with MF.
Looks like a lot of the software vendors were ready with their updates after you upgraded to IOS 8. Seems like a couple more today to support IOS 8.
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Just contacted Andrew Smith of Studio Six and he's not found any issues with iOS8 but one of his customers reported some "crazy readings". He replied almost instantly, how's that for customer support. :thu: Sounds like my week delay is looking better by the minute.
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Just have to say Harpman,
I downloaded the LouderLogic app on my iPod Touch 5. That's a really nice app indeed. Much better than the standard iMusic app. More features and flexibility even if it is freeware. Doesn't look like there's much difference between the 3 versions. Free, $1.99 and $3.99. Obviously more stuff is added as you go up in price. Even the $3.99 one would be a steal. Excellent !! :thu:
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Just have to say Harpman,
I downloaded the LouderLogic app on my iPod Touch 5. That's a really nice app indeed. Much better than the standard iMusic app. More features and flexibility even if it is freeware. Doesn't look like there's much difference between the 3 versions. Free, $1.99 and $3.99. Obviously more stuff is added as you go up in price. Even the $3.99 one would be a steal. Excellent !! :thu:
KM,
I can't take credit for this one. Jerry Lee (former member) turned me onto this app over a year ago. Supports AirPlay too. I think I have the $3.99 version, but you are right, it is a steal! Not sure what all the versions have.
Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD
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Here's a link to some of Computerworld's take on iOS 8. http://www.computerworld.com/article/2686096/ios-8-problems-itbwcw.html
Hope they're not exaggerating.
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Had a bit more time with ios 8 and the DL last night. Figured out what is happening with my ipad mini and airplay. For some reason, when I fire up Master Fader on the mini, the airplay output shifts to looking for Apple TV and shuts off airplay to airport express. My thought is to force a reinstall of Master Fader. I also haven't tested it on the undocked ipad. (I normally leave that one docked.) Don't think there was any problem with My Fader on my iphone. (But right now I don't have any music on it. Needed to clear out space for the install. Time to put music back on it.)
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WK;
If so, let’s hope Apple gets those patches out quick, especially with the large number of complaints hitting social media already. They would be very irresponsible not to and possibly even lose some iFans over this. I have to say that Apple Service was very interested to get all the details of my glitched update to iOS 8 on my iPhone 4S. Hopefully this means they are already cataloging all issues so that they can create one or more patches to correct the problems.
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Outside of Bad Piggies no longer running, and I'm expecting that to be fixed soon, I'm not noticing any slowdown with my iphone 4S. I am noticing the speech translation being much faster. (And better.) If apps are loading slower, I'm not noticing it. All in all, I call it a pretty good upgrade. (None are perfect and if you really want to wait until the bugs are mostly gone, wait until 8.1 at least.) I'm not seeing anything critical happening with Master Fader. I'm also not experiencing the problems that some others are with the DL. So I can't attest to whether this upgrade fixes any of those issues.
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Had a bit more time with ios 8 and the DL last night. Figured out what is happening with my ipad mini and airplay. For some reason, when I fire up Master Fader on the mini, the airplay output shifts to looking for Apple TV and shuts off airplay to airport express. My thought is to force a reinstall of Master Fader. I also haven't tested it on the undocked ipad. (I normally leave that one docked.) Don't think there was any problem with My Fader on my iphone. (But right now I don't have any music on it. Needed to clear out space for the install. Time to put music back on it.)
In my exploration of Bluetooth features in the iPad I ran across something similar. When I have music playing on Apples music player and I load MF the music stops playing on my UE Boom (Bluetooth speaker) and switches to the internal iPad speakers. There must be initialization code when loading an app that grabs the current output device and provides it for the app. I found that pausing music player and then continuing will in fact restore the previous output. Yep, makes little sense but works for Bluetooth and may work for airplay.
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Will give it a try. Hope it works, but I was unable to attach to my airport express with airplay because it was looking for Apple TV.
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Uptake problems?? With all that fanfare and the uptake of iOS 8 is HALF of what iOS 7 drew. I guess folk are wising up. What battery problems, where have I heard that before, oh iOS 7. My week may be a lot longer. Sounds a lot like another outfit I know M$. Every odd numbered release is useful. NT 5, 7, 9 after the service patches. Although you can reinstall any of M$.
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Just think of the boat load of people would downgrade in an instant back to iOS 7 if they could like Windows can be. (Me too!, Me too!!!) :facepalm:
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No kidding, doesn't matter if you backup your iPad. Can't go back now :(
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Well apparently more problems are coming out of the woodwork. Apple support forum is full of bad news.
https://discussions.apple.com/thread/6546549
Then even Andrew Smith of Studio Six changed his mind on iOS 8 and his apps.
http://www.studiosixdigital.com/support/ios-8--iphone-6-compatibili/
I guess I'll wait for at least 8.1 or maybe 9.
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:o Just ran your links. What else is new? Figures. I can't wait to try playing audio trax with AirPlay tomorrow at a school gig. ::) Woo Hoo!
"Methinks something is rotten in Denmark"( <==== very old saying) Or anywhere else for that matter. :laugh:
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Well apparently more problems are coming out of the woodwork. Apple support forum is full of bad news.
https://discussions.apple.com/thread/6546549
Then even Andrew Smith of Studio Six changed his mind on iOS 8 and his apps.
http://www.studiosixdigital.com/support/ios-8--iphone-6-compatibili/
I guess I'll wait for at least 8.1 or maybe 9.
Bill, looks like a lot of these issues have to do with iDevices with Cellular and WiFi combined. IOS 8 keeps switching between the two.
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Well apparently more problems are coming out of the woodwork. Apple support forum is full of bad news.
https://discussions.apple.com/thread/6546549
Then even Andrew Smith of Studio Six changed his mind on iOS 8 and his apps.
http://www.studiosixdigital.com/support/ios-8--iphone-6-compatibili/
I guess I'll wait for at least 8.1 or maybe 9.
Bill, looks like a lot of these issues have to do with iDevices with Cellular and WiFi combined. IOS 8 keeps switching between the two.
Hi Gio, That in and of itself is a problem since I would prefer to control that from a $ usage point of view. Studio 6 Digital which is the only thing of real value for me on the iPad doesn't differentiate and doesn't require the Internet and neither does MF.
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Hot off Mackie's Facebook a quote from a user and Mackie's reply about iOS 8 and the DL.
"Currently it is not supported but so far we have not encountered any major issues".
So I guess we're on our own, seems odd Mackie would,'t get in front of this.
A highly responsive manufacturer. >:D
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I sent them a tech request about airplay only looking for Apple TV and unwilling to allow audio connections via airplay while Master Fader is running. Also, don't know if I'm the only one experiencing that problem.
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Hot off Mackie's Facebook a quote from a user and Mackie's reply about iOS 8 and the DL.
"Currently it is not supported but so far we have not encountered any major issues".
So I guess we're on our own, seems odd Mackie would,'t get in front of this.
A highly responsive manufacturer. >:D
I guess I really didn't expect much from Mackie. Highly responsive indeed. Yet I always get super fast email replies from Ben O every time. ;) Blue pill indeed.
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Hot off Mackie's Facebook a quote from a user and Mackie's reply about iOS 8 and the DL.
"Currently it is not supported but so far we have not encountered any major issues".
So I guess we're on our own, seems odd Mackie would,'t get in front of this.
A highly responsive manufacturer. >:D
I guess I really didn't expect much from Mackie. Highly responsive indeed. Yet I always get super fast email replies from Ben O every time. ;) Blue pill indeed.
Maybe you should ask him some tough questions, like when will Mackie finally fix the sync problem of the DL. See how fast you get a real answer. >:D
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WK;
Yeah, the real important items do seem to get left unanswered most of the time. Like sync, latest updates etc. ::) But they are real concerned about my issues though... ::)
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Wow a new development that will keep Apple busy for a while, the new bendable iPhone 6. Best get a strong stiff cover to fix that problem. This hit major news stations. Apple's reply "no comment". Are bendable iPads next?
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Maybe they’re trying to get the jump on foldable/rollup computing. Then you could fold up your phone/tablet and put it in your shirt pocket or wallet? "Soft on the outside, crunchy on the inside?" No? ;)
On a more serious note. I think Apple just stepped into it big time. What were they thinking? (They weren’t obviously.) First a poorly designed major O/S update, then when the “doodles hit the fan” they pushed out a patch only to remove it pretty darn quickly from their servers because it caused even more issues. Ouch Time indeed. I wonder how many iPhone owners are considering bailing from Apple as soon as they can? Bet there's a lot of very expensive paperweights out there right now. :P
Let's hope they get a stable patch out there pretty darn quick. Anyone got any good recipes for Apple Pie? ;D
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Hi guys
Is anyone finding that there is no cursor for text on this forum whilst using a updated ipad?
I am browsing on chrome,
I bet if you hot glue some lolly ice sticks to the back of the iPhone it would sort the flex problem :lol:
Cheers
Kev
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"I bet if you hot glue some lolly ice sticks to the back of the iPhone it would sort the flex problem"
Now that's a patch!! :D Think Apple could manage that one?
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I'm running ios 8 on an ipad 2 and the cursor is there. I did hear about someone missing a cursor on an upgraded ipad air.
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Also I'm using safari. Will take a look at this site with Chrome.
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Got a cursor in Chrome too. Might only be an ipad air issue with ios 8?
Now it looks like I can't get to the post button on Chrome. (Won't scroll up. or never finished loading the page.) I ended up posting this using Safari.
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Typing this on iPhone 4S /iOS 8 on Safari. Works for me. Not using Chrome etc. Have experienced annoying little glitches. Can't shut off ringer without powering off phone etc. Ghosts in the machine, I suspect. :eek: I really prefer the iPad or laptop to type. It's a pain in the "old eyes" to type with such a small screen. ;D
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Folks would probably be better off using the TapaTalk app to read this forum - give it a go :) .
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Hi guys
I am finding different forums run better on safari or chrome or vice versa, my biggest problem is remembering which ones, lol
Watching the bendy phones on sky news, incredible
They will still sell loads though,
:lol:
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So as most of you already probably know, iOS 8.0.2 is available for download, to replace the 8.0.1 bug fix fail. I'm gonna try it on my old iPad 2 and make sure everything works okay before testing with the school's DL and AirPlay etc. But first a complete back up thru iTunes on the laptop in case it turns the iPad into a paperweight. ::) Fingers eyes and toes crossed! :lol:
Apple recommends to do any updates with iTunes on your computer on wired network connection. I know, ya'll probably already knew about that too. ;)
A little while later.... Just finished the update to the iPad. It didn't melt or transition into another dimension. It's working just fine and the audio apps that crapped on iOS 8 work. Master Fader too :o Now to try it on the DL next. >:D
Today Oct 1st : Did a gig with the DL. Everything passed with flying colors. No issues with iOS 8.0.2 and Master Fader. :thu:
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My Fader works fine on my iPhone 6 iOS 8.00.
The "bendy" iphone thing is a nonsense perpetuated by Apple haters.
No doubt I could bend or damage ANY phone if I put my mind to it and was stupid enough.
Some people have absolutely no common sense....... :facepalm:
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It didn't look very hard to bend on sky news,
Apple make great products, I think their policy on repairs stinks, I am pretty confident that if I took my out of warranty 4s in for repair they would suggest binning it?
Kev
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Hey Kev,
Reality and what's on TV aren't always in sync! ;)
To bend my iPhone 6 I'd have to make a pretty deliberate effort to do so - that's where the common sense bit comes in.
People are drop testing and bending iPhones to gain internet traffic, trying to make some "warped" (excuse the pun) point.
I'm sure the Samsung, Sony and HTC rivals wouldn't fare much better, but then it's not as trendy to hate them as it is Apple. 8)
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Maybe not mate
I love apple gear, hate itunes,
I wish Apple would pull me in to design the apple wundamix, have hot glue and Lolly Ice sticks will travel
:lol:
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Sorry Kev,
Missed a bit! I found Apple warranty pretty good TBH.
If you break your screen, dunk it in water etc., Apple used to exchange your phone for a fixed fee (around £130 if I recall).
This included out of warranty phones. Just walk in to the Apple store and you were sorted. Not sure you could get that with any of their rivals?
In warranty problems equally quick to resolve at no cost too, usually a swap. That's been my experience :)
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When is the wundamix coming out btw? I'm going to preorder it ASAP lol :lol:
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Hi Robbo
Think I might just try and get it fixed, and come back to you.
It's perfect apart from no wi fi, no Bluetooth
:)
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A good coat of Ronseal on those lollypop sticks will keep the wundamix going strong for years. Hand signals and paper planes all set for a comeback in 2016 ;)
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When is the wundamix coming out btw? I'm going to preorder it ASAP lol :lol:
Apple wundamix, 1 U rack 6 midas preamps under license, pull out screen like on a DVD tray, fx, and a free copy of Onetrack thrown in, free airturn pedal for stop and play of playlist
:)
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I hope you have that well patented Kev or else Beh***ger will get the drop on you ;D
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I have already sent it in to the R nD team of mackie and berry
No news yet, strange
:lol:
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:thu: ;D
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They are too busy I guess robo, last day of September, hours before the x air x18 launch.
😂
According to abc news, only nine bendy Apple complaints.
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9? How about 9,000 ;)
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Seriously?
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Ok, so ignoring the obvious trolls, is iOS 8 causing any legitimate issues with MF 2.1.1 on iPads?
I have 2 iPads still on 7.1.2 , an iPhone 5 on 8.0.2, (and an old iPhone 3GS retired to iPod duties)
The IP5 "seems" to work ok, but I really don't use it much in mission critical applications.
I like the new features iOS 8 brings but am currently wary of updating my iPads until I'm sure it's fully functional with MF 2.1.1
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I upgraded all my ios devices, ipad 2, iphone 4S, ipad mini, and outside of losing "Bad Piggies" game, I don't see any problem. The voice to text works so much better than before. My Son was pointing out that apps open slower, but if that's true you need a pretty good stop watch, 'cause I can't feel it. I'll be using my DL1608 with ios devices for a League of Women Voters panel discussion tonight. Don't know the topic, but they always apply to the current election and show both sides. (Assuming there are actually only two sides.) Like always when I make software changes, I will be bringing a backup mixer. (Alesis Multimix 16 firewire recording mixer that I've had for years.) But at this point, I don't see a reason to not upgrade. (MAKE A SERIOUS BACKUP FIRST! And protect it from being overwritten.) I fully expect Bad Piggies to be back in the near future. (Might just need to re-install it.)
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Thanks Wynnd. That's exactly the kind of feedback I need.
I've got a relatively important gig this weekend, then nothing for 2 weeks so I reckon I'll take that opportunity to upgrade and test.
If things do go pear shaped I can use either my wife's, or daughters iPads as a last resort :)
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You have access to other iPads, no panic then iBloke :)
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Thanks Wynnd. That's exactly the kind of feedback I need.
I've got a relatively important gig this weekend, then nothing for 2 weeks so I reckon I'll take that opportunity to upgrade and test.
If things do go pear shaped I can use either my wife's, or daughters iPads as a last resort :)
G'day iBloke. Ask yourself a simple question, does iOS 8 bring anything new to the table for your gig? The answer is only uncertainty. Upgrade after the gig. My Audiotools is still broken under iOS 8, a good reason for me not to upgrade.
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Thanks Wynnd. That's exactly the kind of feedback I need.
I've got a relatively important gig this weekend, then nothing for 2 weeks so I reckon I'll take that opportunity to upgrade and test.
If things do go pear shaped I can use either my wife's, or daughters iPads as a last resort :)
G'day iBloke. Ask yourself a simple question, does iOS 8 bring anything new to the table for your gig? The answer is only uncertainty. Upgrade after the gig. My Audiotools is still broken under iOS 8, a good reason for me not to upgrade.
G'day matey
I do a lot of typing on my iPad and really dig the new predictive text thingy in iOS 8 on my iPhone. To me that's worth the upgrade.
But as you know I run 2 iPads at gigs. My old iPad 3 lives permanently in the DL and that's all it gets used for so I have zero need to update it.
My iPad mini gets used as the wireless remote at gigs. It's nice and light and easy to hold for duration of the gig.
But it's also the iPad I use for Everything else up to 10 hous a day. I'd love iOS 8 on it.
Cheers mate :)
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It's a pretty good point about ios 8 and Master Fader. ios 8 doesn't seem to have any affect on Master Fader at all and for those who don't do anything else with their ipad, it is totally unnecessary to upgrade. But if you use it elsewhere for other things, ios 8 will be hard to avoid and for me adds to my devices in very good ways.
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From what I’ve garnered from my emails to Ben. O, they are working very hard to make sure the updated Master Fader is completely compatible with iOS 8.0.2. 8)
Regarding those "bendy iPhones" I think that if you put any modern smart phone in the back pocket of your tight jeans and sit down on it, it just might flex a wee bit. If you sat on one of the older models you might only hurt your “sit down”. :-[ But (Butt??) who wears skinny jeans now? (speaking for myself) I’m leaning towards track/buffet pants more and more as I get older. No I don’t wear them higher than my waist. Try to get that mental picture out of your head now! :lol:
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I took the plunge and upgraded one iPad to IOS 8 (8.0.2) and slid it into the 1608. Worked flawlessly. But then.... I had everyone else in the group upgrade their respective iPads (one was too old to upgrade). That was a huge mistake. They keep disconnecting from the mixer and have to re-sync. Even when connected there are lags. Push up a slider, the feedback on the screen looks right, but there is no audio change so you push up a little more. Then a few seconds later it makes it to the mixer and that channel IS SCREAMING LOUD! One might think I have a wireless problem. But no, the old iPad that can't be upgraded works just fine.
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I took the plunge and upgraded one iPad to IOS 8 (8.0.2) and slid it into the 1608. Worked flawlessly. But then.... I had everyone else in the group upgrade their respective iPads (one was too old to upgrade). That was a huge mistake. They keep disconnecting from the mixer and have to re-sync. Even when connected there are lags. Push up a slider, the feedback on the screen looks right, but there is no audio change so you push up a little more. Then a few seconds later it makes it to the mixer and that channel IS SCREAMING LOUD! One might think I have a wireless problem. But no, the old iPad that can't be upgraded works just fine.
What version iPads are you using? I've got a Mini with 8.0.2, and I'm not noticing any significant lag. I'm looking to pick up an extra iPad or two, and was looking at 2nd generation models because they're pretty cheap right now. Also, I understand that if you bring another app to the foreground (in my case, OnSong), when you come back to Master Fader, it is normal for the iPad to have to re-sync to the DL.
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I took the plunge and upgraded one iPad to IOS 8 (8.0.2) and slid it into the 1608. Worked flawlessly. But then.... I had everyone else in the group upgrade their respective iPads (one was too old to upgrade). That was a huge mistake. They keep disconnecting from the mixer and have to re-sync. Even when connected there are lags. Push up a slider, the feedback on the screen looks right, but there is no audio change so you push up a little more. Then a few seconds later it makes it to the mixer and that channel IS SCREAMING LOUD! One might think I have a wireless problem. But no, the old iPad that can't be upgraded works just fine.
What version iPads are you using? I've got a Mini with 8.0.2, and I'm not noticing any significant lag. I'm looking to pick up an extra iPad or two, and was looking at 2nd generation models because they're pretty cheap right now. Also, I understand that if you bring another app to the foreground (in my case, OnSong), when you come back to Master Fader, it is normal for the iPad to have to re-sync to the DL.
We are using 3rd & 4th generation. All with same results. Did not try a mini.
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I took the plunge and upgraded one iPad to IOS 8 (8.0.2) and slid it into the 1608. Worked flawlessly. But then.... I had everyone else in the group upgrade their respective iPads (one was too old to upgrade). That was a huge mistake. They keep disconnecting from the mixer and have to re-sync. Even when connected there are lags. Push up a slider, the feedback on the screen looks right, but there is no audio change so you push up a little more. Then a few seconds later it makes it to the mixer and that channel IS SCREAMING LOUD! One might think I have a wireless problem. But no, the old iPad that can't be upgraded works just fine.
What version iPads are you using? I've got a Mini with 8.0.2, and I'm not noticing any significant lag. I'm looking to pick up an extra iPad or two, and was looking at 2nd generation models because they're pretty cheap right now. Also, I understand that if you bring another app to the foreground (in my case, OnSong), when you come back to Master Fader, it is normal for the iPad to have to re-sync to the DL.
We are using 3rd & 4th generation. All with same results. Did not try a mini.
If you push up a fader on one iPad, is there a lag before you see it move on the others? Or is that still moving well? How many iPads? What kind of router (2.4GHz or 5GHz)? How old is your DL? I don't pretend to have any particular answers at this point, I'm just looking for some sort of pattern...
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It's now been a month since the Gold Master was released by Apple and BenO's statement that they are working on checking to see if all is OK. REALLY how long will it take to give the all clear. This just shows the irresponsible attitude that Mackie has regarding it's customers. Why would you depend on this kind of service for your own business? I don't plan to give Mackie another dime.
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Did you "force close" all other apps on the iPads? IME that helps a lot.
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I took the plunge and upgraded one iPad to IOS 8 (8.0.2) and slid it into the 1608. Worked flawlessly. But then.... I had everyone else in the group upgrade their respective iPads (one was too old to upgrade). That was a huge mistake. They keep disconnecting from the mixer and have to re-sync. Even when connected there are lags. Push up a slider, the feedback on the screen looks right, but there is no audio change so you push up a little more. Then a few seconds later it makes it to the mixer and that channel IS SCREAMING LOUD! One might think I have a wireless problem. But no, the old iPad that can't be upgraded works just fine.
What version iPads are you using? I've got a Mini with 8.0.2, and I'm not noticing any significant lag. I'm looking to pick up an extra iPad or two, and was looking at 2nd generation models because they're pretty cheap right now. Also, I understand that if you bring another app to the foreground (in my case, OnSong), when you come back to Master Fader, it is normal for the iPad to have to re-sync to the DL.
We are using 3rd & 4th generation. All with same results. Did not try a mini.
If you push up a fader on one iPad, is there a lag before you see it move on the others? Or is that still moving well? How many iPads? What kind of router (2.4GHz or 5GHz)? How old is your DL? I don't pretend to have any particular answers at this point, I'm just looking for some sort of pattern...
Will be dragging everything out of the trailer Saturday night for another gig and will do more checking and reply. Last weekend we had 2 outside gigs with no other wireless that could cause interference. I don't remember what wireless router I have but would think it shouldn't be the choke point if the non-IOS8 ipad is happy. Will set several next to each other and see how they react, may post a video. We have a 6 piece with in ear monitors so everyone has an iPad running On-Song and Master Fader. Everyone has control of just their aux out.
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We have a 6 piece with in ear monitors so everyone has an iPad running On-Song and Master Fader. Everyone has control of just their aux out.
Are you guys using OnSong "beaming" or "streaming" or is everyone managing their own charts? I ask, because the OnSong makes heavy use of its own ad-hoc network over the WiFi connection for this to work, and may eat up significant bandwidth. It could be getting in the way of Master Fader's communication to the DL.
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It's now been a month since the Gold Master was released by Apple and BenO's statement that they are working on checking to see if all is OK. REALLY how long will it take to give the all clear. This just shows the irresponsible attitude that Mackie has regarding it's customers. Why would you depend on this kind of service for your own business? I don't plan to give Mackie another dime.
Maybe no news is good news. They've checked it and nothing critical is wrong, hence no announcement.
If it was frying everything around it, I'd be annoyed if they said nothing. Did they issue "all clear" messages on other iOS updates? Genuinely I don't know, I didn't see any but then I wasn't looking. Aren't iOS updates rather routine now?
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It's now been a month since the Gold Master was released by Apple and BenO's statement that they are working on checking to see if all is OK. REALLY how long will it take to give the all clear. This just shows the irresponsible attitude that Mackie has regarding it's customers. Why would you depend on this kind of service for your own business? I don't plan to give Mackie another dime.
Maybe no news is good news. They've checked it and nothing critical is wrong, hence no announcement.
If it was frying everything around it, I'd be annoyed if they said nothing. Did they issue "all clear" messages on other iOS updates? Genuinely I don't know, I didn't see any but then I wasn't looking. Aren't iOS updates rather routine now?
Well from a responsible manufacturer like Studio 6 Digital I already know that changes were made to iOS 8 audio that would also require Mackie to fix as well. Unlike Studio 6, Mackie has chosen to ignore this with the OCT. 15 event as an excuse. Their Facebook inquiries regarding status with iOS 8 are simply being ignored. You can deal with a manufacturer like that but I wont. BenO stated that Mackie would give the all clear once they checked it. Can't believe it's taking this long or not to even say that they found some issues and not to upgrade like Studio 6 did.
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I'm pretty sure there's a lag between changing one ipad and it changing on a different ipad, but whatever it is, it's got to be pretty short, cause I can't see it.
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I'm pretty sure there's a lag between changing one ipad and it changing on a different ipad, but whatever it is, it's got to be pretty short, cause I can't see it.
What I'm wondering is if esquare is seeing a significant lag that corresponds with the lag he(?) is experiencing to the mixer itself. That might indicate some kind of wireless network issue.
The suggestion to force-quit everything before starting up the session is a good one -- maybe even a full power-down/power-up of the iPads -- as it ensures no vestigial bits of apps are trying to run and messing with timing.
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Wonder if anyone can help
Just upgraded my iPad to 8.0.2 and have noticed that when using my 1608 wirelessly, I am getting a disconnect every three or four minutes, followed by a reconnect and then a sync.
The iPad is doesn't appear to be losing its signal from the router.
Anyone any ideas please?
Tks
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Try "force closing" all the other apps on your iPad, stuff running in the background can cause issues...
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Thanks for the suggestion RR. The iPad is dedicated to the task - its used for mixing the sound at our Church. Master Faser is the only downloaded app installed, other than those installed by OS. I did check this and as far as I could see the only other app running was Music, which I did force close. However, the same situation still occurring.
I am using an Airport Express as a router, and I see that I have a yellow blinking light, which I assume is correct as I am not connected externally to Internet - is this assumption correct?
Thanks
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I'm running iOS 8.0.2 on my iPad Mini. Did a show with it and my new DL last night, and it was flawless, as was my iPhone 5 (also running 8.0.2). I used all the "toys." At various points in the evening, both devices we docked to the DL. My DL is a 30-pin model, and I used the Apple 30-pin-to-Lightning adapter cable. When connected, both devices charged and appeared to connect over the cable (I got the usual pop-up when connecting/disconnecting the devices). Everything ran perfectly all night long - no comm drops, to noise bursts. My router is a Netgear N600 dual-band, and both the phone and iPad were the using 5GHz connection.
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Oops, typo on the phone ... Should be NO noise bursts...
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Alex,
you SHOULD NOT have a blinking yellow light on the Airport Express, if you do this explains your dropouts.
The router's light should be solid green once it has been on a few minutes.
It is best practice to turn on the router first, then once the L.E.D. is solid green, turn on the DL1608's power and iPad too.
On your i-Pad, install Airport Utility from the App store. Use it to properly set up the Airport Express,.... read instructions on how to set it up.
Dan
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The air port led (at least mine) will only be green if there's an Internet connection. But I don't believe it should be flashing, either. IIRC, mine flashes when it's starting up, goes solid yellow when the local network is active, and green when the network and Internet is up.
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Retract my last. There are several versions of the Airport each with different LED indications. You can see what the lights mean here: http://support.apple.com/kb/HT4600
Geren W. Mortensen, Jr.
Westminster, Maryland, USA
Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk
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I updated to iOS 8.0.2 after last weekends gig, but only my iPad mini. My old ipad 3 is docked in the DL almost permanently so I have no need or desire to install iOS 8 on it. It's still on iOS 7.1.2.
Been using the iPad mini for wireless control all week. Hours of use and not one glitch so far..at least none that I've noticed.
And I'm still using my generally shitty D-link DHP-1320 router which is only capable of 2.4 ghz.
So far there's been zero wireless connectivity problems with it at several full house gigs. I tend to see more dropped sync issues with the docked iPad than the wireless one.
This is just meant for some general info for anybody researching these particular issues :).
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Thanks Dan. I had assumed that the Airp[ort Express was blinking yellow because it had not ben connected to the Internet, I will re-setup the AE and see what happens
Alex
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Ok. Have reset all of the kit. Airport Express now turns green. It seems that the issue is with the range extender I added. As soon as I plug this in on the network, Master Fader starts dropping out momentarily and then resyncing.
The extender is set to the same SSID, on the correct IP range, and both router and extender are on 2.4 ghz .
Should I be able to use the 1608 with a network extender?
Thanks
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Depends upon how far away you have the ipad. I do 75' on 5 Ghz without any issues. If you're only able to do 2.4 Ghz, you might run into other devices interfering with the signal. (Pretty crowded band with wireless phones, printers, other wifi networks hanging around.) That said, my iphone 4S won't run 5 Ghz and generally works fine at 2.4 Ghz. (I have one of the later Airport Express that will do both frequencies at the same time.) You do need a unique name for each SSID device. (Wifi router, extender.) My Wifi router has different names for the two different bands. (NoInternetHere and NoInternetHere 5Ghz. You're welcome to use those names if you'd like.) For my ease, I set both up with the identical passphrase. (Easier to remember.) I don't give it out to others, but if they want control over their own monitor mixes, I will enter it in their phone. (Or ipad.) Just like I don't know my Son's network passphrase but can use my laptop at their home, knowledge of the actual password isn't required of the user. (It also controls who can access your controlling network.)
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The extender is set to the same SSID, on the correct IP range, and both router and extender are on 2.4 ghz .
The extender I have says to NOT set it to the same SSID otherwise you'd have both trying to talk to your iPad at once = "A Very Bad Thing (tm)".
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The extender is set to the same SSID, on the correct IP range, and both router and extender are on 2.4 ghz .
The extender I have says to NOT set it to the same SSID otherwise you'd have both trying to talk to your iPad at once = "A Very Bad Thing (tm)".
Ah, thanks for that I'll try changing it and seeing if that makes any difference. The 1608 is located in our 14th century Church, and the router won't quite reach to an area where we need it. Happily there are no other wifi's in the area, the real problem is the stone pillars I suspect :)
Alex
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.....or it's possible the illuminati has something to do with it.. ;D
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I label my network with the name of my show, I don't think calling it Ebola or free virus stops anyone trying to get in.
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Or.... "Abandon hope all ye who enter here" Think that would stop the little darlings?
Okay, one last one.... "THE DEVIL'S DOMAIN" That was bad, I know. :-[
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I don't think there is any evidence people trying to log on to your network makes it fall over?
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No, but hypothetically speaking, if there's a savvy person in the crowd who happens to know about MF and has an iDevice, he or she could reek havoc on your mix. Always make sure your network is secure. Which we all do right? ;) There's still quite a few people that don't secure their home wireless networks. If you give out your passwords, make sure to change them regularly (the passwords not your band mates! ;D) , or make them swear on their lives, take their first born, etc. etc. >:D
If you're running on 2.4 GHz there's more chance of interference from other devices, even wireless mics. When I first used the DL I was running on 2.4 only, had a Shure Digital Wireless mic on 2.4 and during the show the mic was cutting in and out. During the intermission I set my Apple Airport Express Router to 5 GHz only. No more mic drop outs.
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It goes without saying my friend that you always set a secure password similar to the one on the alarm at home
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KM, I will have to test a bit more. I have that Shure Digital mic as well and it sits in the shelf due to the cut outs. I think I already tried the 5 GHz only, but will try again. Next wireless mic will be UHF :)
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It goes without saying my friend that you always set a secure password similar to the one on the alarm at home
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Or... a b c d ?? ;)
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Next wireless mic will be UHF :)
:thu: 8)
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KM, I will have to test a bit more. I have that Shure Digital mic as well and it sits in the shelf due to the cut outs. I think I already tried the 5 GHz only, but will try again. Next wireless mic will be UHF :)
This (meaning my comment to follow) is off the topic of iOS 8, but in response to this post...
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As a broadcast engineer in "real life," I fear for the future of UHF wireless mics in the US. The wireless companies (AT&T, Verizon, et al) and the land-mobile communications industry are very successfully lobbying the FCC to get more and more of the UHF spectrum allocated for cell phones and trunking two-way radio equipment (think cellular-like technology) for public safety and law enforcement. That has already resulted in the loss of one of the three UHF bands previously allotted to wireless microphones (800-900MHz bands), and another will very likely be re-allocated in 2015 (600-700MHz band). While some upper frequencies remain available for licensed use, that will leave us a few frequencies in the 500MHz band for unlicensed use. Obtaining a license to operate in the upper bands is expensive and time-consuming. Broadcasters are complaining that this is costing them a fortune in upgrades and re-licensing fees.
Yet, most wireless mic manufacturers are continuing on, business as usual, instead of developing affordable 2.4GHz options. As late as last year, Sennheiser reps refused to believe this was happening, and when talking to folks at Shure, I felt a similar attitude (although they were starting to deliver 2.4GHz options due to customer demand).
The fines for using illegal gear are steep if you get caught -- up to $10,000 per offense. And, it's illegal to sell off gear that's no longer "allowed."
My point -- if you're buying wireless gear, choose carefully to future-proof your investment as much as possible.
I'll get off my soapbox now...
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Well here we are at 8.1 of iOS. What new surprises are in store for us. Got to wait a little longer till it all settles down. Remember there's no going back.
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I have done three gigs with no issues with the operating system so far. A few connection drop outs of MF, but that is probably do to my router I am using currently (an old virgin media box produced by Netgear).
Oh and running an iPad 2 (late model, so sort of like an iPad 2S as I believe it had the upgraded processor that was found in the 3)
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Just upgraded all three of my iPads to iOS 8.1 no prob :) .
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Just upgraded all three of my iPads to iOS 8.1 no prob :) .
No probs here either :)
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Yeah, after the Apple fail and subsequent patch (8.0.2), think I'm not gonna leap too fast this time. :facepalm: Might wait to see what, if anything hits the fan this time. Let the dust settle. And any other clichés that come to mind, ;)
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upgraded my iphone, but not my ipads yet. Don't have anything critical for a while, so it would be a good time to upgrade and verify functionality.
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Didn't wait long. ::) Upgraded the 4S and surprise, it didn't phase into another reality or brick. Might just casually upgrade the other iDevices. Catch them off guard so to speak ;) :laugh:
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Unintentionally upgraded iPad 2 to 8.1 and so far so good....will put through paces this weekend
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The previous update, my apps did not scale to the size of the screen leaving vital buttons in no mans land.
I am going to pass on this one for now
Kev
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Wow just got notification of 7 updates all for audio apps. What do they know we haven't found? All with "bug fixes" including the keyboard app I had trouble with using the Bluetooth link.
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I've gotten used to having a bunch of app updates right after an ios update. For people being cautious, they should wait until at least 8.1 or later. Enough time to make sure the app has caught up to the ios upgrade.
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I understand updates after a release but 7 in one day all audio. Are they batching their approval by app type? Time to hit the sack for that 5am run to the airport.
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Hmm... Just noticed that Voice Record Pro now goes up to 320Kbps quality whereas it used to top out at 160Kbps. iOS 8 improvement? I also noticed that they recently added PCM/WAV recording so yous guys that want that can be happy too :) .
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A VoiceRecord improvement, I run it fine on iOS v7.1.1. Nothing to do with iOS 8
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Hmm... iOS 8.1.1 available now...
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Hmm... iOS 8.1.1 available now...
Bluetooth and baseline for some sync test would add complications I can do without. So iOs 7.1.2 and MF 2.1.1 is it for now. Not to anxious to load a BETA MF3.0.
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I'll upgrade one of my iPads and give it a go ;)
MF3.0 runs great and I actually own a DL to test it on.
A very positive improvement for DL owners I'd say.
8.1.1, I don't anticipate any life changing consequences of trying it out :thu: