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Unofficial Mackie User Forums => DL1608/DL806/DL32R/ProDX Mixers => Topic started by: Artaudio on October 15, 2014, 09:00:45 PM
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Apparently they are adding digital trims to the DL 1608 and 806's
This will be a great asset for the DL's. Fingers crossed!
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Apparently they are adding digital trims to the DL 1608 and 0808's
This will be a great asset for the DL's. Fingers crossed!
Digital trim for each channel including the iPad channel will be welcome for sure. I think that all the new features being added to the DL806 and 1608 will be a breath of fresh air and keep the platform going for a while longer. I'm eagerly awaiting some new stuff to play with. :) And if it hasn't been said yet, welcome to the forum too. 8)
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I assume this is only for new models. Be great if you could retrofit :)
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Thanks for the welcome.. I have posted here a number of months ago and lurk around when iOS updates happen. I should post more often but I see everyone is having the same successes and tribulations. So I hate beating the horse (so to speak).
Thanks again and patiently waiting for MF3.0
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I assume this is only for new models. Be great if you could retrofit :)
Apparently this is part of the new Master Fader update and all DL's are getting this feature.
I'm guessing at the moment, but I presume you could set your input gains and then be able to do some digital input trims if they start peaking. There are many times that I do a sound check and then when the show starts, the vocalist finds their stride and starts hitting the red line.. I don't think it will be perfect, but it will potentially prevent you from having to fight your way through the crowd and head to the Mixer for minor gain tweaks.
Also the digital trim is supposed to help with the input from the iPad.. As we all know that signal is too hot to do anything with and I have scared the hell out of audience members too many times when I forget to mute that damn channel..
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I assume this is only for new models. Be great if you could retrofit :)
Digital trim is different than remote pre-amp control. Basically with digital trim you still have to make sure you're not clipping the pre-amp because there is no way to turn the gain down if you're clipping (once it's distorted there is no undoing the distortion no matter how low you bring the trim down). But if your gain is a little on the low side you can boost the gain (sacrificing some of the noise floor) to get the level up to a more normal range.
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Apparently this is part of the new Master Fader update and all DL's are getting this feature.
I'm guessing at the moment, but I presume you could set your input gains and then be able to do some digital input trims if they start peaking. There are many times that I do a sound check and then when the show starts, the vocalist finds their stride and starts hitting the red line.. I don't think it will be perfect, but it will potentially prevent you from having to fight your way through the crowd and head to the Mixer for minor gain tweaks.
With Digital Trim you have to stay out of clipping... once it's clipped in the analog preamp the 'damage' is done no amount of digital trim will un-distort the audio.
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A newb question(s) if I may? Is digital trim really going to be an added bonus on the DL806/1608 with analog pre's? I can sort of see it helping to trim the very hot iPad playback channel though.
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It will be interesting if it is a software update - though I wonder if that's even possible?
For me, and i'll bet a heap of others, the main incentive of buying a DL32 is to get control of the trim through master fader.
So if it can be added to my exsiting 1608 I wouldn't buy a new DL32. I can't imagine Mackie doing anything that could impact on sales of the DL32.
Cheers
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Well if you run your gains on the low side it can be a benefit because you can trim the level up, I've had some shows where towards the end of the night I had some faders up at the top end and couldn't get any more gain, it's definitely better than nothing.
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Yes, an added benefit(s) is still pretty good in my books. Anything that will help a mix. :) Thank you. :thu:
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Technically it already exists to some degree within the compressor stage, where you can adjust the gain reduction / addition post compression.
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I don't think improving the 8 or 16 in any manner will impact on sales of the 32, if you need 32 ins, then you need 32 , I supose a 24 ch version is not feasible due to economics, but I bet there would be a few who don't need 32 but find 18 limiting?
This is why I thought these units would be expandable with additional 1u racks with additional banks of 8, similar but not exactly like the b s16.
Seems crazy to me that you can buy a 1 u rack of midas preamps for 200 dollars, but can't plug it in to anything other than a Mac or PC in a bedroom studio.
Imagine if you could just plug the Usb or optical out of a pre amp rack in to one of these new fangled mixers?
That makes far too much sense I guess
Kev
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The X32 doesn't have adat as standard, it's a fairly expensive add on. If it did you could use ADA8002 racks of 8 preamps to extend the mic channel count on the Compact/Producer/Rack. The DL32R has as nearly many mic inputs as the software will handle (36 channels I believe) so half of the additional channels in a typical 8 way unit would be redundant.
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One thing that came out of the DL32 is that they are expanding Master Fader to cover that unit too. That means much more software development for the DL1608. I never expected it, but it makes some sense to not fully reinvent the controls. That also helps people moving from the DL1608 to the DL32. Solid familiarity.
There is one other thing that the DL series needs. That's the physical faders. I really don't care if they are actually virtual, but the fader on glass is only good if you're looking at the screen. It doesn't work as well for theater productions where you want your eyes on the stage. Having the tactile feel of a physical slider allows your eyes to be elsewhere while your fingers don't wander off the control. It could be an additional ios device or some kind of USB attachment to the ipad. If someone finds one that meets that description, please let me know.
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There is one other thing that the DL series needs. That's the physical faders. I really don't care if they are actually virtual, but the fader on glass is only good if you're looking at the screen. It doesn't work as well for theater productions where you want your eyes on the stage. Having the tactile feel of a physical slider allows your eyes to be elsewhere while your fingers don't wander off the control. It could be an additional ios device or some kind of USB attachment to the ipad. If someone finds one that meets that description, please let me know.
I agree, there's still something to be said for the real thing, especially when there's so much going on onstage and in the background. Sometimes you can't afford to have your attention divided.
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Hi guys
Sam this is why I came up with the wunda box concept, you start with the basic 1 u module
8 in to 4 in to 2 with internal fx ipad control 500 quid, Ch 9 to 24 are there but greyed out.
Need more channels ?
Add something like the ada8200 on usb or optical or whatever, or a dedicated expander 250 quid, wunda box adjus the software and UN greys ch 9 to 16
Need more? another 250 quid and you have a 24 channel desk for a grand,
It's not impossible, they just have not got around to it yet.
As for faders, totally agree, what if you are a muso who's hands are busy, you can nudge a fader with any part of your hand, you can't do this on a pad,
Look at the berry x18 console version, it has a void, surely someone in the r&d dept must have been dying to design a slot in module of basic faders or a liitle box with faders on that actually encapsulates an iPad or phone?
If I had the money I would build all these gadgets and put my money were my mouth is
Kev
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Just to be clear, the digital trim is indeed just a new digital gain stage at the top of the channel strip and is added to DL1608 and DL806 with Master Fader 3.0. The Mic Pres are still analog and it doesn't magically make them remote controllable. The digital trim (-40 to +20 dB) is great for minor adjustments remotely up or down after you set your analog mic pre conservatively to prevent clipping. It will also be great for the iPad channels so you can adjust the hot playback down and use the fader in the sweet spot.
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Just to be clear, the digital trim is indeed just a new digital gain stage at the top of the channel strip and is added to DL1608 and DL806 with Master Fader 3.0. The Mic Pres are still analog and it doesn't magically make them remote controllable. The digital trim (-40 to +20 dB) is great for minor adjustments remotely up or down after you set your analog mic pre conservatively to prevent clipping. It will also be great for the iPad channels so you can adjust the hot playback down and use the fader in the sweet spot.
Where is it applied? Before faders I would hope but after dynamics?
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Digital trim is applied at the top of the channel so it acts as much like adjusting the mic pre gain as possible. No point in putting it after all the processing, then it's in essentially the same place as the fader.
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wynnd. I'm with you.
nothing beats real 100 mm faders.
Even though I still do lots of wedding receptions with various bands, the 1608 has proven it's worthiness.
Tradeoffs for sure :)
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Would lowering playback volume of the MP3 tracks resolve the playback issue.
MP3 gain.exe
For example
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Digital trim is applied at the top of the channel so it acts as much like adjusting the mic pre gain as possible. No point in putting it after all the processing, then it's in essentially the same place as the fader.
That's certainly a nice addition. It will save a lot of frustration having to run back and forth from the mixer to tweak the pre's, especially when you have to push your way through a mass of parents at a school concert. :eek: :thu:
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so this "digital trim" on the 1608 is gonna be no different than the gain control on the comp page, right? at least on the outputs, if you bump the gain level up even 1/8" on that green "mountainside" graphic you get a big jump in that output's level. that's currently the "secret place" to get more level from an output.
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Digital trim is applied at the top of the channel so it acts as much like adjusting the mic pre gain as possible. No point in putting it after all the processing, then it's in essentially the same place as the fader.
Just a question as to where you put it. Of course when you finish the other half of the DL32R hardware manual and update the DL1608 manual it will all be in there. :)
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I really don't care where it's situated as long as it's in there somewhere.
I trust Ben's judgement as to the exact location ;)
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I hope it's located near to the fx footswitch Jack and the slide out tray for the little hard drive.
:)
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I hope it's located near to the fx footswitch Jack and the slide out tray for the little hard drive.
:)
The DL1608/806 has neither, you must be thinking of the KT Wundamix - very similar :lol:
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I hope it's located near to the fx footswitch Jack and the slide out tray for the little hard drive.
:)
The DL1608/806 has neither, you must be thinking of the KT Wundamix - very similar :lol:
They still have time at mackie r and d to get the dremmel out?
Cheers
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We'll all have to give it a try but maybe we'll start with the digital gains all at +6 to +12 db - that way we'll have some range to be able to attenuate an input that goes "hot" mid gig ;). That'll raise the noise floor of the mixer itself by that same amount but I've found the mixer to be plenty quiet that it shouldn't be a problem for live shows. Recording is another story but my board recordings have been dead quiet too :) .
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I hope it's located near to the fx footswitch Jack and the slide out tray for the little hard drive. :)
I do hope they soon support one of them bluetooth pedals on the app to mute the FX for those of us that mix from the stage while playing :-\ .
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We'll all have to give it a try but maybe we'll start with the digital gains all at +6 to +12 db - that way we'll have some range to be able to attenuate an input that goes "hot" mid gig ;). That'll raise the noise floor of the mixer itself by that same amount but I've found the mixer to be plenty quiet that it shouldn't be a problem for live shows. Recording is another story but my board recordings have been dead quiet too :) .
Not following your reasoning on attenuation. According to BenO you will have -40dB that's taking it to almost mute. The total range is 60dB that's the same range as their pre's. The only thing you have to watch of course and can't adjust other than manually is the original gain in the analog section to avoid clipping. You can't clip in the digital section and at the output D/A it should be obvious and controllable by the individual or main fader. Noise and dynamic range can only be determined in the analog section.
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I hope it's located near to the fx footswitch Jack and the slide out tray for the little hard drive. :)
I do hope they soon support one of them bluetooth pedals on the app to mute the FX for those of us that mix from the stage while playing :-\ .
I am using this to do stop and play and next song in the list via airturn and the set list maker app,
I wish I could add another button for fx mute
Some crazy girl jumped in stage a night ago and started messing with my reverb pedal mid song, I would love to erradicate that risk
(http://i1020.photobucket.com/albums/af324/kevtylerz/814f348fad9a7d87fcc621576c61f933_zps543d754a.jpg)
Cheers