Post by: RoadRanger on November 18, 2014, 05:35:44 AM
Post by: dpdan on November 18, 2014, 05:44:07 AM
NICE! so far
Post by: RoadRanger on November 18, 2014, 05:55:18 AM
Post by: Fluddman on November 18, 2014, 06:10:50 AM
BTW didn't Beno just say it wouldn't be available in November?
Post by: RoadRanger on November 18, 2014, 06:12:19 AM
BTW didn't Beno just say it wouldn't be available in November?That was for "My Fader V3.0".
Post by: Fluddman on November 18, 2014, 06:18:29 AM
BTW didn't Beno just say it wouldn't be available in November?That was for "My Fader V3.0".
Fair enough. Maybe I need sleep :lol:
Post by: dpdan on November 18, 2014, 06:21:37 AM
the first (boat from China) has already delivered DL32R units to Mackie's headquarters at LOUD Technologies.
I think Mackie did not want to ship any DL32R units to any distributors or dealers until they see DL1608 users using V. 3.0.
They too (Mackie) are anxious to get the DL32R into a bunch of users hands.. LIKE MINE :)
My first love will still be Qu24 though with the "purple stage box" Well, love for a sound board
Dan
Post by: Keggles on November 18, 2014, 09:10:05 AM
The interface reaction time to my finger movements is very jerky...
Moving EQ frequency and gain buttons around they jerk all over the screen
It looks like the routing configuration screen only allows to change where the iPad recording signal comes from
You can't rout a subgroup to an aux out....which kind of makes them redundant
The help documents are still v 2.1 not v3
My ipad is an iPad 3
I haven't plugged it into the the dl1608 yet
I will come back with some more info later
Keggles
Post by: dpdan on November 18, 2014, 09:17:47 AM
I can't use Master Fader 3.0 with a real mixer BUT.. there is no jerky movement on my iPad 3
Strange,
Dan
Post by: Keggles on November 18, 2014, 10:00:36 AM
There is quite a noticble delay in the eq section moving any parameters around wether it be via the graphic interface or the sliders at the bottom of the screen
Other than that and what I have written about above all is good
Hopefully the will do a quick update with a version 3 manual
And I guess the routing thing is a dl1608 limitation, but it would have been nice to have made both the aux and sub groups rout able
Keggles
Post by: dpdan on November 18, 2014, 11:47:48 AM
While 3.0 has a ton more features and is far more flexible than the previous version, there is one thing I just can not believe got left out.
I don't mean to sound negative but this blew my mind....
please hear me out,
The Aux masters ARE NOT CURRENTLY assignable to a VCA. (Probably should have been named DCA not VCA) 8)
In the event that something terrible happens like really loud feedback in a few monitor mixes or even just one, the engineer almost never knows exactly which mix is causing the feedback.
Once microphone channel 14 starts feeding back into mix 2, any other aux mixes that have channel 14 in it, are also going to now produce the same feedback sounding pitch and cause uncontrollable feedback to rear it's ugly head. Before you know it, people are screaming and holding their ears, but the engineer just wants to go hide somewhere because everyone in the place knows it's his fault, correct? Not so fast....
Couldn't the engineer assign all the aux mix masters to a single mute??? sure.... but assigning all the monitor "speaker" aux mixes to fader (VCA 1 perhaps) and use that as a panic fader to lower all the aux masters at once in case this happens is much better, No, we don't want to suddenly mute all the monitors, then what, what happens when we "UN-mute them? you guessed it, so when do we turn them back on? This is why we need to be able to lower all the aux masters for speaker monitor mixes without having to change the level of each and every mix, and then not having a clue as to where they should be put back to. Yes, that would be a very sensible thing to set up, especially with a mixer having 32 channels and 12 monitor mix capability. BUT........ this can not be done because the design folks who made and tested this new stuff did not think or consider this... but let's cut them some slack....maybe they did and just forgot to incorporate it.
I think anything else could have been designed differently, right or wrong, but this is a must have feature for the VCAs.
Agree?
Anyone?,
Anyone? Bueller?
Beno? :)
Let's say we have 8 drum mics and they are all assigned to VCA 2.
I think,.... when we move the VCA 2 master, all of the drum mic channel faders should visibly move with the movement of the VCA master that they are assigned to.
Maybe it's just me. I think it is ridiculous these days that digital consoles with moving faders and DCAs also do not move like this. In the old days of analog VCAs, the faders did not physically move because they were not motorized and couldn't, so the VCA "electrically" altered the audio in the channel as opposed to actually moving the fader. It sure would have been nice back then to look at the drum mic channels and say "gee, i guess the VCA needs to be turned back up.
And another very very simple silly thing would have been to include a brown and grey color choice since many of us use the standard color code, for fast addressing of things.
1= brown, 2= red, 3= orange, 4= yellow, 5= green, 6= blue, 7= violet, 8= grey, 9= white.
Just by habit all these years for me at least, if I want to lower mix 1 all I have to do is look for the brown Aux master fader for mix 1.... just a silly request.
OK, nice job though
NOW WHERE'S MY DL32R?
:)
thanks for reading and Beno, please take this info to your guys!
Post by: gtrdudes on November 18, 2014, 01:34:49 PM
Post by: robbocurry on November 18, 2014, 02:00:34 PM
All for free too.
Isn't that lovely and Christmassy!?
Post by: Keyboard Magic on November 18, 2014, 02:17:53 PM
New mixer again! Well sort of. Any improvements are always welcome in my books. ;)
Post by: robbocurry on November 18, 2014, 02:23:56 PM
Post by: Keyboard Magic on November 18, 2014, 02:27:54 PM
Got a show next week, not going to flash the DL until after the show, just in case. I don't think anything would happen, but knowing my luck (you don't really ;)) just in case. Not that I'm paranoid or anything. :)
Post by: Ampli on November 18, 2014, 03:48:00 PM
No white noise problems, but didnt have them before !
Indeed a very good improvement.
Wish i had the dl32r
Post by: Wynnd on November 18, 2014, 04:46:29 PM
My take. There is so much stuff with this update, that I had to do some research on how to use it. The learning curve is steeper, but the rewards are greater too. The DL1608 was a nice mixer when I bought it. This makes it a much nicer mixer. Great work Mackie. This also looks very good for the DL32R. (Can't picture me needing that many channels, but there are others that will.) Looking forward to the updated user manual.
Post by: Keyboard Magic on November 18, 2014, 04:56:46 PM
2 Thumbs up for all the improvements Mackie and BenO. :thu: :thu:
PS: I'm actually turning cart wheels right now, but only in my mind. Don't want to break the furniture or end up in traction for the rest of my life. :laugh:
Post by: Keyboard Magic on November 18, 2014, 05:29:46 PM
Post by: RoadRanger on November 18, 2014, 05:46:22 PM
but it would have been nice to have made both the aux and sub groups rout able+1000 and I'd really hoped to see matrices too :-\ . Maybe V4 (or V3.1 ?) :) .
Post by: RoadRanger on November 18, 2014, 05:49:02 PM
Post by: nottooloud on November 18, 2014, 06:16:48 PM
The pulldown for the clear solo/ mute verb/ etc panel is way better than the slide over. Was there a delay setting for the headphone monitor before? That's cool.
The every i/o overview page is great.
I'm running it now to see if it drops sync.
Post by: nottooloud on November 18, 2014, 06:24:46 PM
I'm running it now to see if it drops sync.
Well, that took all of 10 minutes. Turned to look at it just now and there was the resync window. It did reconnect, though. I'll leave it running to see if it drops fatally.
Post by: Wynnd on November 18, 2014, 07:04:08 PM
Post by: nottooloud on November 18, 2014, 07:57:11 PM
I thought the docked sync issue was having the docked ipad not fully charged.
WK154 was seeing low power drops, but that was never my problem. This was an issue that began with firmware 1.4.3 and hasn't gone away. 1.4.1 worked fine.
14 pages of discussion here.
http://cacophony.aspinock.com/index.php?topic=498.0
Post by: Alex H on November 18, 2014, 08:14:01 PM
Post by: Rdmitch on November 18, 2014, 08:27:32 PM
Glad people,are liking it so far, I'll keep reading looking for tips and hints. I might just get antsy and do it anyway since I have no show this coming week.
Just wondering...if I upgrade my iPod to 3.0 and not the firmware (just to mess with the new app) will I be able to run the mixer with both master fader and the old my fader app ?
Post by: dpdan on November 18, 2014, 08:36:24 PM
Post by: Alex H on November 18, 2014, 08:46:22 PM
Have not decided yet on the upgrade. Since I sometimes use my fader as well as master fader, I'm a bit afraid of losing the compatibility. If I do the upgrade it seems like I lose the compatibility and could no longer allow a person to use my phone to run stage monitors. Just on the fence deciding whether to just wait until it's all compatible.
Glad people,are liking it so far, I'll keep reading looking for tips and hints. I might just get antsy and do it anyway since I have no show this coming week.
Just wondering...if I upgrade my iPod to 3.0 and not the firmware (just to mess with the new app) will I be able to run the mixer with both master fader and the old my fader app ?
There is a warning not to upgrade Master Fader, if you are also using MyFader 2.1x but to wait for MyFader 3,0 I assume that when you upgrade, there is a firmware update to the mixer that is incompatible with 2.1
Post by: Rdmitch on November 18, 2014, 08:52:43 PM
I just want to get used to the software of the new app.You are 100% right I don't want to wait until May fader 3.0 works
I am torn between giving up the extra option of the iPhone app and getting the new app for the iPad.
I guess if that's the toughest decision I have to make this week, I shouldn't complain.
Post by: Harpman on November 18, 2014, 09:30:24 PM
Post by: Harpman on November 18, 2014, 09:32:45 PM
Have not decided yet on the upgrade. Since I sometimes use my fader as well as master fader, I'm a bit afraid of losing the compatibility. If I do the upgrade it seems like I lose the compatibility and could no longer allow a person to use my phone to run stage monitors. Just on the fence deciding whether to just wait until it's all compatible.
Glad people,are liking it so far, I'll keep reading looking for tips and hints. I might just get antsy and do it anyway since I have no show this coming week.
Just wondering...if I upgrade my iPod to 3.0 and not the firmware (just to mess with the new app) will I be able to run the mixer with both master fader and the old my fader app ?
That is correct regarding firmware update to console. I don't use an iPhone so its a moot point for me :).
There is a warning not to upgrade Master Fader, if you are also using MyFader 2.1x but to wait for MyFader 3,0 I assume that when you upgrade, there is a firmware update to the mixer that is incompatible with 2.1
Post by: RoadRanger on November 18, 2014, 09:48:00 PM
It looks like the routing configuration screen only allows to change where the iPad recording signal comes fromI'm bummed that you have to lose a pair of physical aux outs if you want to record not off the L&R. I really hope they add a separate stereo virtual bus (or matrices ;D) just for recording. I commonly use my 6 auxes for monitors and subs - really sux having to give two up :( .
You can't rout a subgroup to an aux out....which kind of makes them redundant
Post by: Harpman on November 18, 2014, 09:56:56 PM
Post by: RoadRanger on November 18, 2014, 10:09:34 PM
It would be nice if Mackie had a trade-up program so it would offset the cost of the DL32R :lol:. Don't think that's gonna happen :(Sure they do - it's called "eBay It" ;) .
Post by: Sting on November 18, 2014, 10:23:14 PM
Post by: RoadRanger on November 18, 2014, 10:32:40 PM
Guys a fellow 1608 user updated to 3.0 not realizing that it would render his backup ipad 1 useless. Is it possible to revert back to 2.0? He has a show this weekend and not sure he has time to grab a newer iPad.I believe it is possible to downgrade by connecting the iPad 1 but then his other iPad that has V3 on it won't work and AFAIK there's no way to downgrade that. Guess it sux to be him x( .
I predict that between iPad 1 users and iPhone/iTouch users we're gonna see a fair amount of unhappiness here (and elsewhere) shortly :facepalm:.
Post by: Wynnd on November 18, 2014, 11:03:35 PM
Post by: RoadRanger on November 18, 2014, 11:05:30 PM
Post by: beno on November 18, 2014, 11:38:30 PM
1st bug :( - Minor - Can't export settings to dropbox. I get an "Error Authorizing App" - "Only a limited number of users can receive access tokens while this app in in development mode". So I ask, why is MF 3.0 in development mode? FYI, also on iOS 8.1.1
Thanks. This is an issue on the back end. We are looking into it.
Post by: taunouibo on November 19, 2014, 12:23:18 AM
http://cacophony.aspinock.com/index.php?topic=688.msg6526#msg6526
:(
Post by: James91104 on November 19, 2014, 12:24:27 AM
Is it possible to revert back to 2.0? .
http://www.copytrans.net/
I use this on Windows to backup iOS apps. Easy and painless. Other useful programs from the developer as well.
A web search for the iTunes iOS App backup method will get you dozens of hits.
Whichever method you may pursue, you need to backup the MF 2.0 off of the iPad1 in order to load back to your other iPad assuming both devices are tied to the same iTunes App store account. Hope this helps out.
Post by: 1kidc on November 19, 2014, 12:39:00 AM
Post by: James91104 on November 19, 2014, 12:47:19 AM
My real question is: IS THE REVERB ANY BETTER????
Yes, inquiring minds and ears want to know. A reminder that I have a Dead Parrot for a DL1608 and am therefore unable to have a thorough flight test with everyone`s early X-Mas gift.
Post by: Harpman on November 19, 2014, 01:27:19 AM
Hmm... Can't see the fader dB scales on my iPad 2. Can any of yous iPad 3+ users see them?RR, I see them on my iPad 3 (docked) and iPad Air
Post by: Harpman on November 19, 2014, 01:28:27 AM
Thanks Ben1st bug :( - Minor - Can't export settings to dropbox. I get an "Error Authorizing App" - "Only a limited number of users can receive access tokens while this app in in development mode". So I ask, why is MF 3.0 in development mode? FYI, also on iOS 8.1.1
Thanks. This is an issue on the back end. We are looking into it.
Post by: walterw on November 19, 2014, 01:40:04 AM
i used to be able to leave that control panel up for tweaking delay times and still use the mixer, but now i can't? i thought this was gonna be an upgrade.
it would be so nice to put the tap tempo button on the delay channel strip itself, maybe where the missing dynamics control zone is, so i didn't need to open up that side control panel thing all the time.
Post by: Keyboard Magic on November 19, 2014, 01:55:32 AM
Hmm... Can't see the fader dB scales on my iPad 2. Can any of yous iPad 3+ users see them?
Feigning ignorance here, I take it you mean when the iPad is connected to the DL, docked or wireless? I know even with MF 2.1.1 it was hard to see this when connected to the DL. I honestly haven't tried with MF3 yet. But will make note and append my post after the upcoming gig next week. Don't want to temp fate just yet.
Post by: Keyboard Magic on November 19, 2014, 02:07:22 AM
Hooray, a trim in the iPad channel! A little odd that it's not paired stereo, and there's no visual indication that it's working. Also, half the time when I try to adjust it, I swipe to the next channel instead.
The pulldown for the clear solo/ mute verb/ etc panel is way better than the slide over. Was there a delay setting for the headphone monitor before? That's cool.
The every i/o overview page is great.
I'm running it now to see if it drops sync.
Just looked at the trim on one of my stereo pairs. That is a bit frustrating when you can pair 2 channels to stereo and use one fader for L&R, but the trim is not paired like you mentioned. ::) Oversight? Didn't think about it? I know there's going to be bugs, but... I suppose it can be worked around until there are update fixes. What are you gonna do? :-\
Post by: Ampli on November 19, 2014, 02:42:41 AM
Post by: RoadRanger on November 19, 2014, 04:23:48 AM
Thanks, I suspected it is an issue with my non-retina iPads (iPad 2 and original Mini) :( .Hmm... Can't see the fader dB scales on my iPad 2. Can any of yous iPad 3+ users see them?RR, I see them on my iPad 3 (docked) and iPad Air
Post by: Wynnd on November 19, 2014, 05:01:00 AM
Post by: RoadRanger on November 19, 2014, 05:25:08 AM
I can see them on both my ipad 2 and ipad mini (without the retina display.) They are small and hard to see, and I would like to see them larger and better color.I can "see" them with a magnifying glass but can't read them with just my reading glasses - are you saying you can actually read the numbers on the scale?
OTOH The X-Air app has no scales on the faders at all ;)
Post by: Wynnd on November 19, 2014, 06:14:24 AM
Post by: dpdan on November 19, 2014, 06:16:19 AM
NOW.......
even though my description in my earlier BIG post about aux masters not being assignably to a VCA, it looks like I was wrong, I believe from the looks of it AUX masters can indeed be assigned to a VCA.
AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
the color coding for channels is the bomb! So much more fast efficient way of finding the channel...... RIGHT NOW.
Mackie,,, you guys should be so proud of yourselves.
I bow to everyone there!
I do wish the iPad microphone could be used with the talkback button and routed to the "Apple Airport Express" AIRPLAY
I do wish the talkback button acted like a non-locking digital button,,
hold it down as long as you want to talk, when you are finished talking, release the button and the mic goes off,
or a quick double tap would lock the talkback on, and another subsequent tap would turn it off, like a Clear-Com belt pack.
Just awesome though.
I feel like Christmas is already here. ;)
Post by: Wynnd on November 19, 2014, 06:38:34 AM
Post by: Topsøe on November 19, 2014, 06:46:24 AM
First, I want to start with praise to the development of 3.0. Very very nice! The response of the faders is so improved.
While 3.0 has a ton more features and is far more flexible than the previous version, there is one thing I just can not believe got left out.
I don't mean to sound negative but this blew my mind....
please hear me out,
The Aux masters ARE NOT CURRENTLY assignable to a VCA. (Probably should have been named DCA not VCA) 8)
In the event that something terrible happens like really loud feedback in a few monitor mixes or even just one, the engineer almost never knows exactly which mix is causing the feedback.
Once microphone channel 14 starts feeding back into mix 2, any other aux mixes that have channel 14 in it, are also going to now produce the same feedback sounding pitch and cause uncontrollable feedback to rear it's ugly head. Before you know it, people are screaming and holding their ears, but the engineer just wants to go hide somewhere because everyone in the place knows it's his fault, correct? Not so fast....
Couldn't the engineer assign all the aux mix masters to a single mute??? sure.... but assigning all the monitor "speaker" aux mixes to fader (VCA 1 perhaps) and use that as a panic fader to lower all the aux masters at once in case this happens is much better, No, we don't want to suddenly mute all the monitors, then what, what happens when we "UN-mute them? you guessed it, so when do we turn them back on? This is why we need to be able to lower all the aux masters for speaker monitor mixes without having to change the level of each and every mix, and then not having a clue as to where they should be put back to. Yes, that would be a very sensible thing to set up, especially with a mixer having 32 channels and 12 monitor mix capability. BUT........ this can not be done because the design folks who made and tested this new stuff did not think or consider this... but let's cut hem some slack....maybe they did and just forgot to incorporate it.
I think anything else could have been designed differently, right or wrong, but this is a must have feature for the VCAs.
Agree?
Anyone?,
Anyone? Bueller?
Beno? :)
Let's say we have 8 drum mics and they are all assigned to VCA 2.
I think,.... when we move the VCA 2 master, all of the drum mic channel faders should visibly move with the movement of the VCA master that they are assigned to.
Maybe it's just me. I think it is ridiculous these days that digital consoles with moving faders and DCAs also do not move like this. In the old days of analog VCAs, the faders did not physically move because they were not motorized and couldn't, so the VCA "electrically" altered the audio in the channel as opposed to actually moving the fader. It sure would have been nice back then to look at the drum mic channels and say "gee, i guess the VCA needs to be turned back up.
And another very very simple silly thing would have been to include a brown and grey color choice since many of us use the standard color code, for fast addressing of things.
1= brown, 2= red, 3= orange, 4= yellow, 5= green, 6= blue, 7= violet, 8= grey, 9= white.
Just by habit all these years for me at least, if I want to lower mix 1 all I have to do is look for the brown Aux master fader for mix 1.... just a silly request.
OK, nice job though
NOW WHERE'S MY DL32R?
:)
thanks for reading and Beno, please take this info to your guys!
You can assign aux out to any vca ,form the aux master patch panel at the top of the aux master
Post by: dpdan on November 19, 2014, 07:17:00 AM
Dan
Post by: MVPSTim on November 19, 2014, 06:37:52 PM
Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk
Post by: Wynnd on November 19, 2014, 08:44:04 PM
Hope that helps.
Post by: Harpman on November 19, 2014, 09:28:52 PM
Would be nice if they were a bright bold white on a black background.I can see them on both my ipad 2 and ipad mini (without the retina display.) They are small and hard to see, and I would like to see them larger and better color.I can "see" them with a magnifying glass but can't read them with just my reading glasses - are you saying you can actually read the numbers on the scale?
OTOH The X-Air app has no scales on the faders at all ;)
I can see them on both my ipad 2 and ipad mini (without the retina display.) They are small and hard to see, and I would like to see them larger and better color. Be aware that the numbers on the left side of the fader are L/R, Groups. VCAs, and mute groups. (In that order from the top. Color codes apply too.)
Post by: gerenm63 on November 20, 2014, 01:07:05 AM
What's with the mute buttons on the aux sends that just follow the channel mute? Why is there one per aux when you can't activate them independantly? Are they there as a place holder for this feature in the future?
Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk
Maybe something to do with DL32R functionality that we can't see on DL1608 or DL806 boards.
Post by: Ampli on November 20, 2014, 01:26:07 AM
Then u can mute them independent,
Post by: Weogo on November 20, 2014, 03:03:18 AM
Thanks for the V3 update!
Several very useful features for me.
Being able to stack Sub-group EQ with House EQ is handy when I do a talking heads gig with a bunch of open lavaliers;
I'm going to be taking the DSP to fewer shows.
On my Ipad-3 the EQ is a bit jerky and with a bit of delay, but still usable.
Please get MyFader V3 up soon! : -)
Thanks and good health, Weogo
LiveEdge.net
Post by: MVPSTim on November 20, 2014, 04:03:16 AM
Default mode is follow the lr mute, under the prefader selection u can unselect this
Then u can mute them independent,
That's what I couldn't find. I guess it's always been there.
Post by: gtrdudes on November 20, 2014, 07:11:07 AM
Here is a bit of info someone else might find helpful.:
The new version loads the old show from the DL but... You need to assign all the inputs to LR or group out. I panicked a little because I didn't leave any extra time, then figured it out.
And then Murphy's law set in and I had a bad speaker cable. Go figure. Always roll with a little back up cableage.
Post by: Rdmitch on November 20, 2014, 08:15:34 AM
I watched all the YouTube videos which show a lot of the new features, but I'm
not seeing any user guides on line.
Is there one incorporated into the software of the new app ?
Post by: dpdan on November 20, 2014, 08:17:10 AM
link to PDF manual for DL32R
http://dl32r.mackie.com/docs/DL32R_OM.pdf
Post by: Rdmitch on November 20, 2014, 08:22:29 AM
I have a show tomorrow night and then have all next week off so I'm thinking about doing the download over the weekend..
Thanks for everyone's great tips and suggestions, it sure makes it better to have this forums "real
people" support.
Post by: Alex H on November 20, 2014, 08:31:07 AM
I suspect that you may be stuck between a rock and a hard place :D I am sure that Master Fader3 contains some very clever processes, and clearly by the posts on this thread, there are people out there who love the new Master Fader v3, and will be able to make use of it. However for poor simple folk like me, there is no way that I am going to upgrade.
Our 1608 is used to control the sound system at our church, and at its most when the music group are playing, and we use 10 channels. We have a team of 4 or 5 people who are non-experts, who take it in turns to run the sound desk. what we loved about the 2.11 version was the clean and simple lines of the interface - no-one could get lost. Load up the Show and snapshot, hide the unused channels and we were away. All very simple and easy.
The new interface looks very flashy, but is far too complicated for simple folk!! It would have been good if we were able to switch off and hide the unnecessary bells and whistles !!
A number of the other churches in the team were looking at our system with a view to purchasing as well, but they will probably be put off by the overcomplicated interface.
just my 2p worth :D
Post by: dpdan on November 20, 2014, 09:11:00 AM
I really suggest that you contact Mackie and ask them if there is a safe way to continue to use the 1608 as it is now and never have to update to 3.0.
I completely understand your use of it and the volunteer people who are already somewhat intimidated with version 2 app.
The added features of 3.0 are absolutely wonderful, but they are only useful if the user understands them completely, otherwise, there is a myriad of ways to accidentally cause something to not work with a single un-intended swipe or touch, and way too much time needed to figure it out if that could even happen with the given operator at hand.
With V3.0 we have features found on very expensive digital consoles, but the biggest single feature and beauty of the 1608 was it's very simple user friendly interface, that is completely gone with V3.0. It sounds like I don't like V3.0 but I do,..... I am a seasoned 58 year young engineer that has spent his life running sound for concerts, corporate shows, conventions, church musical productions and way too many studio recording sessions, but I for one am elated with V.30 but do feel saddened for folks who just want to keep it simple and not EVER be forced to update the app.
My fear for you is that you will willingly update the IOS on your iPad one day and Apple will have re-invented the wheel as they always feel like they have to, and making "AUTO APP UPDATE" the default As soon as your iPad gets into the vicinity of a wireless internet connection, it would automatically "GET" the new App and install it... then Sunday morning rolls round and the 1608 gets turned on with the rest of the sound system and the I-Pad warns you that the DL1608 must update it's "FIRMWARE" and you have no choice but to wait in horror. :(
Hmmmm, call Mackie!!!!
Ask them.
Dan
Post by: Alex H on November 20, 2014, 09:23:55 AM
Thanks for your post, and yes I have already emailed Mackie to ask them the question. I will post their response when i get it. In the meantime, I have put a red sticker on the iPad telling people not to update it. Happily there is no internet connection within the church building at present, but that will change shortly I hope !!
I am sure that v3 is brilliant, I installed it onto my own iPad and whilst not understanding it all, it did look very impressive - but as we agree, way over the top for us simple non-techie people.
Alex
Post by: Wynnd on November 20, 2014, 04:05:10 PM
By the way, while looking at the new access limits panel, Mackie's team really put a lot of lockable control there. WAY TO GO GUYS!!!!! (Love it.) I would consider using that before rejecting the upgrade.
Post by: Alex H on November 20, 2014, 07:08:11 PM
I have been locking out lots of functions that we are unlikely to use. It would be nice if when an item is locked out, then it was removed from the screen rather than just greyed out, but that's just my personal preference.
One question if anyone can help me with - if I load a show and snapshot and then make a change, the snapshot name in top right hand corner has an asterisk beside it - I assumed this indicated that there were changes that had not been saved. However if i then save the changes by replacing the Snapshot, the asterisk remains. Is this right?
Thanks
Post by: Keyboard Magic on November 20, 2014, 11:05:42 PM
Thank goodness I only put MF 3 on one iPad 2. At least I can run MF 2.1.1 for a while until, if and when there will updates to MF 3. Of course this could all be just in my own mind and never actually happened. ;) That’s more likely the case. I’m going to keep playing around with it some more to see if I can recreate the crash and loss of shows.
Post by: WK154 on November 20, 2014, 11:16:45 PM
Post by: Keyboard Magic on November 20, 2014, 11:36:57 PM
It's pretty clear and by BenO's own admission that this is PUBLIC BETA why would anyone load it unless they don't need the equipment functioning? Crashes and lockups, sync problems etc. should be enough of a clue.
I know this is probably a dumb question, but why would a company push out a beta to use on their products that totally relies on the software to run, when it's full of bugs? It's Ludacris. >:( I know, just look at all the big computer software manufacturers..."Just have to sell millions of copies make billions of dollars and we'll call the bugs features" OIY!
Post by: Topsøe on November 20, 2014, 11:41:55 PM
You can remove them by setting up view groups that exclude the unwanted channels , like in load that preset and select viewgroup A :-)
I have been locking out lots of functions that we are unlikely to use. It would be nice if when an item is locked out, then it was removed from the screen rather than just greyed out, but that's just my personal preference.
Post by: Rdmitch on November 21, 2014, 12:56:32 AM
I really thank Mackie. If only they could resolve my Thump 18S issues , I would be in Mackie heaven.😍
I am not wrapping my hands around everything yet but will get a feel for it more after I sync with the console and actually can hear what I'm doing and see what works well. I think I'll take my yamaha analog with me tomorrow night just in case.
First thing is I need to figure out how to save to iTunes.....just in case.
Post by: Wynnd on November 21, 2014, 02:00:17 AM
Post by: Rdmitch on November 21, 2014, 10:14:59 PM
When trying to go wireless it simply would not connect.
Tried everything and could not get a connection. After doing what I could I contacted customer service.
Not only was there no wait, but the guy I worked with was wonderful and patient as we reset everything including reloading the firmware. Took almost an hour before everything was able to connect. Got,to say he was just a pleasure to talk to, lots of time for small talk about the system while reloads were taking place. I expected the worst and got the best! He even guided me to where to find the 240+ page v.3 guide !
Will spend time reading and working the program over the weekend since I need to run it next weekend.
Post by: stevegarris on November 21, 2014, 11:37:33 PM
Been messing with this a bit and decided to sync to the 1608, all worked fine as long as I was docked.
When trying to go wireless it simply would not connect.
Tried everything and could not get a connection. After doing what I could I contacted customer service.
Not only was there no wait, but the guy I worked with was wonderful and patient as we reset everything including reloading the firmware. Took almost an hour before everything was able to connect. Got,to say he was just a pleasure to talk to, lots of time for small talk about the system while reloads were taking place. I expected the worst and got the best! He even guided me to where to find the 240+ page v.3 guide !
Will spend time reading and working the program over the weekend since I need to run it next weekend.
I had a similar experience with their phone support. It was excellent! The guy took the time to walk me through my problems (back when I first got the DL).
Post by: Wynnd on November 22, 2014, 05:58:16 AM
Post by: Rdmitch on November 22, 2014, 11:18:55 AM
http://www.mackie.com/products/dlseries/downloads/manuals/Reference%20Guide%20(Control%20Apps).pdf
If this link does not work just go to
Mackiemixers.com
click on DL series
go to specs and documents
open the refernce guide control apps
there is the 270 pg guide for the v.3 app
Post by: RoadRanger on November 22, 2014, 05:35:39 PM
"Version 3.0 of My Fader is currently being violated by our Engineering team"
:facepalm:
Post by: Keyboard Magic on November 22, 2014, 07:28:34 PM
From that manual, page 219:
"Version 3.0 of My Fader is currently being violated by our Engineering team"
:facepalm:
:o ::) :eek: :facepalm: ;) Had to see for myself. ;D I'm sure they didn't mean that literally? :P
Post by: Alex H on November 22, 2014, 07:43:51 PM
Post by: RoadRanger on November 22, 2014, 07:55:16 PM
Oops !!! :facepalm: :-[ Think that might be ravished fairly quickly !!!!There I fixed that for yah ;)
Post by: Rdmitch on November 22, 2014, 09:45:19 PM
Post by: gerenm63 on November 22, 2014, 11:07:51 PM
Overall the manual is fairly humorous in places, so I'm not surprised by anything that might be in it.
Mackie's manuals have always had some pretty off-the-wall comments here and there...
Post by: RoadRanger on November 23, 2014, 01:10:09 AM
Post by: Rdmitch on November 23, 2014, 12:41:20 PM
I think it will take a bit more time before I am ready to hit the road with this version.
I did set up a few templete screens, some totally basic and some a little more complex so I can start a show with a preset based on the level I feel comfortable with.
Is it possible to assign AUX's to a VCA group and be able to increase/decease all my aux sends for monitors with one fader ?
UPDATE: I guess that's a yes, since I just did it !
Any tips on sending shows via e-mail or storing on I-tunes would be helpful. I tried storing a show on I tunes but then couldn't find it in my i tunes library !
Post by: Wynnd on November 23, 2014, 06:59:08 PM
Post by: lightguy48 on November 28, 2014, 01:24:31 AM
I used MF3.0 on Sunday outdoors and it was impossible to see them at all. Even indoors I run my screen as low as possible to conserve my battery and it's impossible to see at low intensity.
I have also noticed when the iPad is docked about every 5 - 10 min the app will resync which never occurred on MF 2.x
Otherwise the operation has been very good.
I did have a couple of weird issues that cleared themselves on their own. When I would go to the mute assign screen none of the auxes showed up as assignable to a mute group. Eventually they showed up on their own.
Similar situation with the view assign screen, initially I could only see the channels and subgroups, the VCA's were hiding, then all of sudden the showed up on their own...
In both cases if you went to the Aux Master Fader properties or the VCA fader properties you could assign the fader to mute or view group from that screen. In both cases the shows were old MF2.x shows so maybe some setting didn't import properly to MF3.0
Post by: Keyboard Magic on November 28, 2014, 02:47:15 AM
Growing pains? You forgot the golden rule before powering up the DL, you have to say your incantations first, while standing on one foot and never ever look at it directly. It can also hear your thoughts! :eek: No sacrifices unless you're desperate. >:D
Sorry, just kidding. 8) Let's hope there is an update patch pretty quick. I want to update to MF3 a.s.a.p. Not just yet.
Post by: ijpengelly on November 29, 2014, 10:18:32 AM
Despite using the DL now for well over 2 years I was a bit nervous at this outing as accessing various bits of functionality are different to the ways I have been used to. Thankfully, I had spent time getting accustom to things in a static environment and it meant when show time hit, it wasn't as painful as it could have been. Thus I would recommend new users spend plenty of time pre-gig getting familiar. I also think it looks more impressive now than it did before, the previous incarnations did look a bit Fisher Price, but this one looks professional and a bit more technical. Good for impressing audience members :-)
As other people have noted, there is a bit more lag in this version, especially on an iPad 2, I'm guessing due to the greater level of control and functionality to be loaded. However, this seemed to get better with a few minutes of use and working through all the menus, it was like it then buffered the features. Overall, it worked fine and the slight delays thankfully don't impact operational performance.
I can read the numbers on the scale, just, but to be honest I typically rely on the box at the top and their general position relative to other faders. So not sure if this is a problem or not, your mileage may vary.
I got to like the new mute and view assigns especially the multi select as this gives you a load more options, rather than having to repeat the settings in each view.
Having the access to a masters page was also really nice, a much quicker way to get things under control should you have feedback issues or someone complaining they can't hear their monitor when you are running 4 or 5.
On MF2 I used to get the resync on wifi a few times a gig and the occasional stutter. With MF3 it would appear to be a lot more stable in the connection and no re-syncs were experienced.
I haven't used some of the new features such as the VCAs (DCAs) or groups, maybe next time :-)
So, in summary: If you are waiting to upgrade, stop waiting and get it done, it is a gem of an upgrade and definitely keeps the DL fresh.
Post by: Keyboard Magic on November 29, 2014, 05:14:22 PM
Last night was my first gig since getting MF3, which is a bit poor since I got the advanced version... ::)
Despite using the DL now for well over 2 years I was a bit nervous at this outing as accessing various bits of functionality are different to the ways I have been used to. Thankfully, I had spent time getting accustom to things in a static environment and it meant when show time hit, it wasn't as painful as it could have been. Thus I would recommend new users spend plenty of time pre-gig getting familiar. I also think it looks more impressive now than it did before, the previous incarnations did look a bit Fisher Price, but this one looks professional and a bit more technical. Good for impressing audience members :-)
As other people have noted, there is a bit more lag in this version, especially on an iPad 2, I'm guessing due to the greater level of control and functionality to be loaded. However, this seemed to get better with a few minutes of use and working through all the menus, it was like it then buffered the features. Overall, it worked fine and the slight delays thankfully don't impact operational performance.
I can read the numbers on the scale, just, but to be honest I typically rely on the box at the top and their general position relative to other faders. So not sure if this is a problem or not, your mileage may vary.
I got to like the new mute and view assigns especially the multi select as this gives you a load more options, rather than having to repeat the settings in each view.
Having the access to a masters page was also really nice, a much quicker way to get things under control should you have feedback issues or someone complaining they can't hear their monitor when you are running 4 or 5.
On MF2 I used to get the resync on wifi a few times a gig and the occasional stutter. With MF3 it would appear to be a lot more stable in the connection and no re-syncs were experienced.
I haven't used some of the new features such as the VCAs (DCAs) or groups, maybe next time :-)
So, in summary: If you are waiting to upgrade, stop waiting and get it done, it is a gem of an upgrade and definitely keeps the DL fresh.
That's good to hear and that it is working well for you. I do have MF3 on one iPad 2 for practice and am getting quickly familiarized with it. It's almost as easy as MF 2.1.1. My concern is that the DL is someone else's property, even if they don't know really how to run it. I run it exclusively for them and get to borrow it for gigs. That's really my only qualm.
I may just update it after the upcoming Christmas Concert for safety sake. But you have alleviated some of my concerns. Thanks :thu:
Post by: Alex H on November 29, 2014, 07:05:30 PM
Does anyone have any other suggestions?
July 2014 – new 1608 installed in ourusing an iPad3 16GB WiFi only, running IOS7, coupled to Airport Express (new version). iPad is dedicated to this 1608 and other than standard apps, only extra apps installed was MasterFader 2.1 and Airport Express Utility.
No other WiFi networks in the vicinity.
1608 operated perfectly, docked and undocked.
October 2014 – iPad3 got upgraded to IOS8 and no problems suffered when iPad docked with 1608. However when undocked, we were getting a resync issue every couple of minutes when undocked
Steps taken to identify and resolve issue:
1. Alternative iPad running IOS8 tried and problems could be replicated
2. iPhones 4 and 5 both running IOS8 tried and could replicate problems.
3. iPad 1 running IOS5 tried and problem COULD NOT be replicated
4. Airport Express running on both 2.4 and 5 GHz – problem remained
5. Alternative router (ediMax) tried – problem remained
6. Alternative network cable tried – problem remained
7. 1608 was re-flashed – problem remained
8. Alternative iPad4 with alternative 1608 tried with Airport Express router – no inputs connected – problem remained
9. iPad3 upgraded to IOS8.1 – problem remained
10. iPad3 upgraded to Master Fader 3 , 1608 firmware upgraded – problem not only remained, but in a 55 minute service on 28/11/14 iPad resynced 9 times when docked
11. Alternative Power supply unit tried – problem remained.
I really dont understand what could be causing the issue
Thanks
A
Post by: WK154 on November 30, 2014, 12:00:43 AM
Post by: ijpengelly on November 30, 2014, 12:10:50 AM
Based on Alex's info, one could conclude that iOS 8 caused the issue rather than it being an MF issue. Perhaps there is an issue with the wireless service. I know I have experienced more issues with streaming videos recently on the iPad, with them locking or only partially buffering.
So, we can point the finger at Mackie, but there are a few other providers in the chain that could also be culpable for the experienced issues.
Post by: Keyboard Magic on November 30, 2014, 12:17:27 AM
It's not unusual for a company like M$ or others to post Beta's since it is nearly impossible to test all permutations and combinations of setups and equipment. It requires time and manpower to sift thru the results and try to fix the real problems. That's not done in a couple of days. I expect Mackie to actually have a solid release about NAMM 2015 days. I expect BenO and Co. to release it a day or two prior so that he can tell you all and media at the show that the problems have been resolved with the new release giving you no time to verify that claim. :) He's doing his job probably better than you.
So if you wouldn't mind me asking with your professional experience.. Would you update right now, with what you know about the small issues with this version of MF3 and trust a major show with it? I trust your knowledge and experience from what I've read from your different posts.
Post by: Keyboard Magic on November 30, 2014, 01:03:02 AM
Please excuse my rant, it was just a rant and I have removed it. :-[ I apologize. But I do stand by my feelings on MF3 right now. As everyone obviously (unfortunately) knows I was burned by an MF update last year on my own DL. So you can or hopefully understand my reluctance in updating to MF3 right now.
For the amount of time I use the school’s DL and the penny ante’ gigs I run for them, it’s also not a big necessity to update. I’m not quite in the same league as most of the pro’s here are. I am humbled and blown away by the vast knowledge and experience I’ve found here.
And I personally apologize to Alex H. You needed help with your issues and everyone was caught up in my silly issues with MF3. I hope someone can come up with a solution for you.
Thank you all for reading. 8)
Post by: Wynnd on November 30, 2014, 02:08:14 AM
Post by: Keyboard Magic on November 30, 2014, 02:48:20 AM
It's pretty clear and by BenO's own admission that this is PUBLIC BETA why would anyone load it unless they don't need the equipment functioning? Crashes and lockups, sync problems etc. should be enough of a clue.
Why would Mackie aka: BenO state that? That's not very confidence inspiring. I did read your post Wynd and do agree about "mission critical situations. Weird.
I am learning it on one iPad and it is fairly easy to get around. Most of it was familiar sort of. Oh well, the debate goes on I guess. :)
Post by: Wynnd on November 30, 2014, 02:57:02 AM
Post by: WK154 on November 30, 2014, 03:04:10 AM
Referring to MF 3.0 as a BETA strikes me as a mistake. It had been tested in house quite well before the public testing. I don't believe in perfection. So for those of you that are waiting for MF 3.1, that's OK. On the other hand, don't expect it before the release of My Fader 3.0. So if we're lucky it will be out in Feb or March. Everyone with mission critical situations, you will always be right to hold off until you have enough of a gap to test first. But it isn't looking like there are any serious problems with 3.0. Just a steeper learning curve. (And well worth the effort in my mind.)I'm puzzled by your reluctance to acknowledge what BenO has stated for Mackie, it's a PUBLIC BETA unless you can't read. You also seem to have inside knowledge on their time table, testing etc. I certainly don't. Sorry to come down on you so hard. I do agree with you on holding off until a major release of any kind get's sorted out especially if it's your main mixer. I have totally different reasons for not upgrading which have nothing to do with a new version. Since I don't consider this as any mixer I would need I would certainly have upgraded now that apps I do use on the iPad have been fixed for iOS V8.1. As to "serious problems" loosing sync via wireless has rarely been a problem in the past but it now seems to be an issue with MF3.0Beta and it's certainly not minor.
Post by: TimmyP1955 on November 30, 2014, 08:39:00 AM
Post by: ijpengelly on November 30, 2014, 09:28:24 AM
And don't get me wrong, I am not saying this isn't an issue, I just haven't seen enough that I would feel comfortable posting that it is a serious issue.
Post by: Alex H on November 30, 2014, 10:22:04 AM
This is for everyone on this particular topic...
Please excuse my rant, it was just a rant and I have removed it. :-[ I apologize. But I do stand by my feelings on MF3 right now. As everyone obviously (unfortunately) knows I was burned by an MF update last year on my own DL. So you can or hopefully understand my reluctance in updating to MF3 right now.
For the amount of time I use the school’s DL and the penny ante’ gigs I run for them, it’s also not a big necessity to update. I’m not quite in the same league as most of the pro’s here are. I am humbled and blown away by the vast knowledge and experience I’ve found here.
And I personally apologize to Alex H. You needed help with your issues and everyone was caught up in my silly issues with MF3. I hope someone can come up with a solution for you.
Thank you all for reading. 8)
Keyboard Magic, I didn't see your rant so I don't know what you are apologising for, but accepted anyway. As ijpengelly says the problem did exist prior to MF3, but I updated in the hope that the problem may go away, and yes, now I have the syncing problem when the iPad is docked as well, but otherwise MF3 seems to be working OK.
I am convinced that the problem is related to IOS8. Prior to IOS8 we had no problems with MF2.1. The iPad1 running IOS5 was as solid as a rock - the problem was that this iPad has the old style connector and the 1608 has the new lightning connector, and I cannot dock, otherwise the problem would be solved.
One other issue I that under IOS7 when I undocked the iPad from the 1608, the wireless connection was made almost instantly and automatically. Now, under IOS8, the wireless 1608 device simply remains greyed out 4 times out of 5 and indeed, its often quicker for me to switch off the 1608 and then switch it on again to get it to connect.
Its not the iPad either, as we have been able to replicate the problem on multiple IOS devices all running variations of IOS8; including both on our 1608 and a brand new one out of the box. To add to the confusion, our suppliers were able to replicate the problem at our location (with the brand new 1608 and iPad) but state that when they set the same up at their offices, they have no problems (although i have no way of verifying this).
Although I have a copy of the IOS7.1.2 ipsw file, I am reluctant to try and revert the iPad3 back to IOS7 in case I brick it. Its all very frustrating, and I am having to spend far too much time on this, and of course the Church Council wont release the funds for the rdest of our sound system upgrade until this problem is resolved.
Alex
Post by: WK154 on November 30, 2014, 10:56:40 AM
One more thing Churches are notorious for having electrical systems as old as the Bible, I've dealt with several in that condition.
Post by: TimmyP1955 on November 30, 2014, 10:00:45 PM
Post by: Alex H on November 30, 2014, 10:13:10 PM
Alex I would make certain that no other interference exists (Requires a signal analyzer) or take it away from the site and see if it stops (a lot cheaper). Your suppliers place would make sense. A UPS on the DL might be a good idea. I've witnessed Murphy Master of Coincidence perform miracles never thought possible. :)
One more thing Churches are notorious for having electrical systems as old as the Bible, I've dealt with several in that condition.
Yes I will do that tomorrow, but I am pretty sure that there is no interference - the church wiring is only about 10/12 years old. Also, the fact that when I ran the iPad1 with IOS5 and before I inadvertently updated the iPad3 to IOS8 we have no problems at all, so I would wager a large sum of money that something has changed in IOS8
Post by: Keyboard Magic on November 30, 2014, 10:34:02 PM
Alex I would make certain that no other interference exists (Requires a signal analyzer) or take it away from the site and see if it stops (a lot cheaper). Your suppliers place would make sense. A UPS on the DL might be a good idea. I've witnessed Murphy Master of Coincidence perform miracles never thought possible. :)
One more thing Churches are notorious for having electrical systems as old as the Bible, I've dealt with several in that condition.
Yes I will do that tomorrow, but I am pretty sure that there is no interference - the church wiring is only about 10/12 years old. Also, the fact that when I ran the iPad1 with IOS5 and before I inadvertently updated the iPad3 to IOS8 we have no problems at all, so I would wager a large sum of money that something has changed in IOS8
Really dumb question. Did you update iOS to the latest 8.1.1? There was supposed to be some bug fixes in the update. That may make the difference, hopefully.
Post by: sam.spoons on November 30, 2014, 10:42:01 PM
I've been hearing about similar connection problems ever since these mixers came out. It's kept me from recommending what looks otherwise to be a nice mixer and a good value.
Most people have had no connection problems that could be attributed to the DL, flakey WiFi and routers is another but not Mackie's fault (anything relying on WiFi has the potential to give trouble). Since I bought my DL (Oct 2012) I have mixed 50-60 or more gigs from acoustic open mic nights to corporates (including a recent Christmas lights switch on driving a 20k FOH rig) to pro rock and function bands and A list folk bands. During that time DL has performed faultlessly and I have never had a WiFi failure. Apart from a brief period when the dreaded white noise issue (accompanied by disconnects of wired iPads, both apparently solved with Master Fader V3) was extant, I've been happy to recommend the DL, even to technology shy musos. Nothing is perfect but as you say the DL1608 is a great little mixer.
Post by: Wynnd on December 01, 2014, 02:26:40 AM
Post by: Keyboard Magic on December 06, 2014, 01:11:33 AM
Have you ever gotten a piece of Microsoft software that was perfect? They generally are getting better, but I'm finding MF 3.0 better than most first attempts for MS. (Having very few problems with Windows 7. And I believe that Windows 8 is the right way to go. Apple will have to go that way eventually. Hopefully before I need a new laptop.)
I've always gotten perfect MS software. "cough, cough" ;) Haven't road tested MF 3 yet, waiting until after the school xmas concert at least, maybe even an update patch first. MF 3 looks like it's got a lot of potential though. :)
Post by: Jkowtko on December 13, 2014, 04:41:29 PM
* BenO, can you add Black to the color palette please? I had created my own color pallette using images, was using Black for a couple of channels, and I think Black is a reasonable color option. I don't like "no color" as it implies the channel isn't being used. Since the default background is gray, a Black color will be visible on the fader view.
* The widget menu at the top right of the screen seems a little unorganized.
- anything that isn't accessed regularly during show operation should be under the gear:
- patching
- recording config options
- The show icon
- things that could stay visible
- turn on/off recording (can't figure out where this is done)
- mute/tap controls
- view selection (can't figure out where this is done)
- snapshot advance forward/backward controls
* Where do you start/stop recording?
* Where did View groups go?
Does there exist MF3 documentation for the DL1608? Or do I just have to watch the videos?
Thanks. John
Post by: sam.spoons on December 13, 2014, 05:47:24 PM
Post by: RoadRanger on December 13, 2014, 05:51:55 PM
Post by: Wynnd on December 14, 2014, 04:03:41 AM
Post by: Jkowtko on December 14, 2014, 04:36:13 AM
I am definitely going to be using the manual as a reference for a while.
Thanks. John
Post by: Wynnd on December 14, 2014, 05:01:23 AM
Post by: Jkowtko on December 14, 2014, 04:59:39 PM
Post by: PeterKorg on December 16, 2014, 08:29:48 PM
Cheers Pete
Post by: RoadRanger on December 16, 2014, 08:35:39 PM