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Unofficial Mackie User Forums => DL1608/DL806/DL32R/ProDX Mixers => Topic started by: RoadRanger on November 18, 2014, 05:38:29 AM
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"Master/My Fader V4 Wants and Speculation"
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Actually a good idea to start this. There's going to be a lot of quotes and comments coming soon here, I think. :thu:
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Dang, you beat me to it RR lol!
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1st suggestion:
What about a simplified / advanced mode?
Ahem, not for me <cough>
Just saying :lol:
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1st suggestion:
What about a simplified / advanced mode?
Ahem, not for me <cough>
Just saying :lol:
Me Too, Me Too!! ;)
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Hey All,
Thanks for the feedback. As you can see by all the features in Master Fader v3, it really does help us shape our roadmap.
I just updated all of the requests on uservoice so you should all have your votes back. Please go there and tell us what you want next.
http://mackie.uservoice.com/forums/97035-dl-series
Top of the list right now is integrated iPad playback controls and RTA.
Ben
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Top of the list right now is integrated iPad playback controls and RTA.
I'm really looking forward to the latter - and if the playback can control the docked iPad from a wireless one like Tango does a lot of folks will be super happy :) .
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1st suggestion:
What about a simplified / advanced mode?
Yah, I can see them losing the newbie market over the new GUI :( . I've seen LOTS of praise of the simplicity of the V2 GUI. OTOH I was able to hide the subgroups and DCA's pretty easily using view groups - maybe a second "default" show that is set like that would do it? Maybe I'll try out the show saving - create that and publish it here :) .
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1st suggestion:
What about a simplified / advanced mode?
Yah, I can see them losing the newbie market over the new GUI :( . I've seen LOTS of praise of the simplicity of the V2 GUI. OTOH I was able to hide the subgroups and DCA's pretty easily using view groups - maybe a second "default" show that is set like that would do it? Maybe I'll try out the show saving - create that and publish it here :) .
Good idea RR.
Maybe Mackie could package some basic setups with the firmware too. ;)
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I'd favour a simple mode, maybe a port of the MF2 GUI with only the features included in MF2 available? That'd be the best of both worlds.
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For me, the most important things right now are better reverb algorithms and the possibility to use 2 reverbs. Even with RR's discovery of calling the reverb from pressets (and this can get them a little bit better), I allways find my self EQing and never being completely satisfied.
The rta in the graphics (and even on each track following the track signal) would be great.
Never the less, this is a great little mixer. :thu:
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I was thinking that Mackie should keep Master Fader 2.x available for those who are using the old ipads. (And with it the My Fader version too.) They clearly should list the problems that will never be fixed in it and suggest that upgrading would be a huge step up. (And it is.) Personally, I can't see anyone wanting to hang in with that version after looking at what can be done with Master Fader 3.0. On the other hand, we could put together some videos that would take new users through ways to use the mixer. Consider it a challenge. We use this and know it pretty well. Sharing would be a good thing.
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I also thought "what about a 'simple' mode?" At the same time, I've had all of 6 minutes to flip around through the updated interface. Maybe it''ll just fall naturally once I'm in the heat of battle?
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People are having difficulty reading the db scale on the right side of the Faders. When the fader enlarges, have a magnifying glass over the db scale. Probably be easier to change the font color and triple the size. That would work too. I'm currently not depending on it, but when it's viewable, I do use it. Won't in this version.
I'm pushing Apple to make an oversized ipad. If they do, please adjust the home screen to include more viewable channels. 10 maybe? (Hey their phones got larger, it's really time to make a larger ipad.) I can't think of any of the other screens that would benefit as much. But during a gig, it's the home screen that normally gets the workout. You might even be able to put two rows of faders in. (Depends upon how big the screen is.)
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I'm pushing Apple to make an oversized ipad. If they do, please adjust the home screen to include more viewable channels. 10 maybe?
The X-Air app actually has an "un-zoom" button that lets you see and adjust all 16 at once!
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For people who want to limit to MF 2.0 Set the mutes and views then lock the access with the access limits window as in my photo. I think I've got it pretty close and the white noise problem is gone.
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I'm probably going to save this configuration for use by others. Of course, I could just post it for retrieval by others. the MF 3.0 team really did a great job.
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People are having difficulty reading the db scale on the right side of the Faders. When the fader enlarges, have a magnifying glass over the db scale. Probably be easier to change the font color and triple the size. That would work too. I'm currently not depending on it, but when it's viewable, I do use it. Won't in this version.
At the top of the screen you can see the actual value of the knob you are tweeking
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For people who want to limit to MF 2.0 Set the mutes and views then lock the access with the access limits window as in my photo. I think I've got it pretty close and the white noise problem is gone.
Thank you for this one. NICE. Just saved it to my computer for future reference. :thu:
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One thing I wasn't expecting was that the access limits are global on a device and just changing shows doesn't change them. For those working in a shared environment, this probably isn't a problem. Expert users won't have a problem either. I always expected to have the greatest use for this with iphones used for monitor mixes. So far, that hasn't been the case.
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Would be nice to see a version 3.1 that smoothes out the controls since they seem s bit jumpy
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smoothing out the controls is only good if we don't have to give anything up to do it. I find MF 3.0 to be very useable. Don't want to lose anything now.
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It's important if you release the eq or fader and it continues to climb !
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Jumpy Fader Problem - I've noticed that my iPad Mini is a bit jumpy/slow to respond when using it wirelessly if I have the charger plugged into it at the same time.
Anyone else found this?
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I'm pushing Apple to make an oversized ipad. If they do, please adjust the home screen to include more viewable channels. 10 maybe? (Hey their phones got larger, it's really time to make a larger ipad.) I can't think of any of the other screens that would benefit as much. But during a gig, it's the home screen that normally gets the workout. You might even be able to put two rows of faders in. (Depends upon how big the screen is.)
Wynnd
A nice 12-13” tablet would be nice! If Apple doesn’t make that real cool bigger iPad you asked for soon, maybe MF will be available for Windows Surface or convertible laptops and the like in the near future? As long as they weigh about the same as the iPad Air that is. ;)
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Jumpy Fader Problem - I've noticed that my iPad Mini is a bit jumpy/slow to respond when using it wirelessly if I have the charger plugged into it at the same time.
Anyone else found this?
With some leads and/or chargers (3rd party lead, apple charger) my iPhone 5s screen become unresponsive, laggy or frozen, unplugging it returns the phone to normal. My wife's 5c does similar, both are on iOS7.
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I would like the ability to assign a particular "View Group" as the default for a particular output "Mix Selection."
Expanded explanation - on my 1608, I've created different mix views for the main mix and for monitor mixes and aux-fed-subwoofer mixes which just show me the input channels that are applicable to those outputs, theoretically meaning less swiping and faster mixing while in the throes of playing bass and mixing the show simultaneously. Currently, I make two taps on the interface to pick a Mix Selection (output) and then two more taps again to choose View Group. In practice however, because I cannot currently have them automatically switch, I end up just using the "Main" view for everything. That nullifies even having the ability to set up different views. The extra tapping and choosing simply requires too much time in between notes, and occasionally generates extra confusion ("where'd that channel go???? Oh yeah...").
If I've missed that this feature already exists, let me know! I've read the MF3.0 reference guide's sections on View Groups a few times through and haven't found it.
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I would love it if they could provide an adapter plug for the existing docking port to connect a USB stick or USB hard disk drive for recording.
I understand that multi-track recording may not be possible off of this port -- but it would be nice to have the ability to run all your iPads wirelessly as in the rack version, tuck your DL out of the way so it doesn't have to take up space on the tabletop, and still have on-board two-track digital recording.
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I would love it if they could provide an adapter plug for the existing docking port to connect a USB stick or USB hard disk drive for recording.
You can basically do this with an older iPhone or iPod Touch. Problem is you have to start the recording from that device. Dunno if there are any apps that have remote control like Tango but for recording instead of playback?
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I would love it if they could provide an adapter plug for the existing docking port to connect a USB stick or USB hard disk drive for recording.
You can basically do this with an older iPhone or iPod Touch. Problem is you have to start the recording from that device. Dunno if there are any apps that have remote control like Tango but for recording instead of playback?
But then I wouldn't "love it" ... ;) In fact, it sounds like a royal pain in the ass. Half the problem is getting the recording off the iDevice once it is put there ...
When I do the concerts the video guy gives me an SD card to record to. I pop the SD card into a Tascam DR-1 connected to a couple of aux outs on the board to make an analog recording for the video. When we're done with the concert for the night, I remove the SD card and hand it to the video guy. done.
I also use the docked iPad to make a backup copy for myself and to potentially have a higher quality than analog recording. But I have to hook the iPad up to my laptop later on and use iFunBox to extract the audio files from the iPad. This is blatantly more complicated than it needs to be.
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Half the problem is getting the recording off the iDevice once it is put there [...] I have to hook the iPad up to my laptop later on and use iFunBox to extract the audio files from the iPad. This is blatantly more complicated than it needs to be.
Why aren't you using Voice Record Pro? It can export the files all sorts of different ways :) .
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I'm pushing Apple to make an oversized ipad. If they do, please adjust the home screen to include more viewable channels. 10 maybe? (Hey their phones got larger, it's really time to make a larger ipad.) I can't think of any of the other screens that would benefit as much. But during a gig, it's the home screen that normally gets the workout. You might even be able to put two rows of faders in. (Depends upon how big the screen is.)
Wynnd
A nice 12-13” tablet would be nice! If Apple doesn’t make that real cool bigger iPad you asked for soon, maybe MF will be available for Windows Surface or convertible laptops and the like in the near future? As long as they weigh about the same as the iPad Air that is. ;)
I am no Apple guy (my iPad air is my FIRST Apple product, ever), but it looks like this is a "healthy" rumor:
http://www.macrumors.com/roundup/ipad-pro/
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I'm pushing Apple to make an oversized ipad. If they do, please adjust the home screen to include more viewable channels. 10 maybe? (Hey their phones got larger, it's really time to make a larger ipad.) I can't think of any of the other screens that would benefit as much. But during a gig, it's the home screen that normally gets the workout. You might even be able to put two rows of faders in. (Depends upon how big the screen is.)
Wynnd
A nice 12-13” tablet would be nice! If Apple doesn’t make that real cool bigger iPad you asked for soon, maybe MF will be available for Windows Surface or convertible laptops and the like in the near future? As long as they weigh about the same as the iPad Air that is. ;)
I am no Apple guy (my iPad air is my FIRST Apple product, ever), but it looks like this is a "healthy" rumor:
http://www.macrumors.com/roundup/ipad-pro/
Ooooohh 8) I'm drooling on my laptop right now after opening that link. :thu:
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That looks impressive, though I guess the weight and accessories will determine how easy it is to handle, since it is quite a lot bigger than the current iPad. I have one of those hard shell backs with a hand strap for my current iPad, which make it a lot easier to use at gigs, I suspect something similar would be needed for this.
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From the link and subsequent web page, it looks like it may be based on the iPad Air, which hopefully may make it light too?
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I don't worry much about weight. I generally use my ipad mini on a logitech keyboard. (Usually at a table.) Figure a super ipad would probably get used about the same. Would actually be happier if Master Fader worked on my MacBook. (Not expecting that. Some serious reprogramming would probably be required.)
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Don't know about how the effects are configured, but it would probably be nice to make loadable effects modules available. (For purchase? I don't use them much, but some others might like some options and might be willing to pay for them.) Maybe as an in app purchase? Would also be nice to hear what they sound like before loading them up. Just a thought.
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Kind of surprised that the reverbs weren't upgraded in the dl32r. If it was a hardware limitation in the 1608 that prevented it the new platform would have been the time to make it happen, although project deadlines can cause compromises. Aside from that, I think the Access Limits page in MF should have Disable-All button. Most likely I would be inclined to only want to enable one or two items for an on-stage user (that is not the primary mix person). Having to disable all of the features manually for each on-stage user seems tedious.
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I would love to use the iPad's mic for Talkback. I don't like giving up one of my 32 channels for talkback.
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I would love to use the iPad's mic for Talkback. I don't like giving up one of my 32 channels for talkback.
Gotta say I'm curious what you're using all 32 channels for?
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I would love to use the iPad's mic for Talkback. I don't like giving up one of my 32 channels for talkback.
Gotta say I'm curious what you're using all 32 channels for?
Yeah, yeah, yeah. LOL
I do sound for a lot of Christian conferences, and it's not uncommon for large music groups to show up, and expect every singer to have their own microphone. ???
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it's not uncommon for large music groups to show up, and expect every singer to have their own microphone. ???
Use "Y" cords for pairs of identical microphones 8) .
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it's not uncommon for large music groups to show up, and expect every singer to have their own microphone. ???
Use "Y" cords for pairs of identical microphones 8) .
I may have to, but I prefer to have individual control.
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it's not uncommon for large music groups to show up, and expect every singer to have their own microphone. ???
Use "Y" cords for pairs of identical microphones 8) .
I caught a lot of flack on controlbooth.com for suggesting the Y'ing of mics ... I do this for the choir mics at our Middle school concert ... works well for me when covering an area with multiple mics and don't need that granular of control. I have four mics -- the left and right banks with two mics each.
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Y-ing would work if you have two identical dynamic mics with two identical or very similar sources like a pair of rack toms (or with distant mics as jk says) but two close miked singers are unlikely to be similar enough for it to be a satisfactory solution. I wouldn't want to be doing it with capacitor mics as the active preamps would be trying to drive each other with potential for damage.
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I actually use condensor mics ... they're only Behringer C2s so no worries if I damage one of them ... but so far after a dozen concerts the recordings through these channels still sound pretty good.
The main argument against using the Y was, as you say, active sources. I would definitely not do this on battery powered mics ... but for phantom powered condensor mics where the amplifier is powered by the input phantom power, I don't think there is the possibility of the mic putting out enough voltage fluctuation to affect the other mic (other than distorting the audio signal). If you know otherwise please share your knowledge as this is of interest to me (and probably good for a different thread as well ;) )
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I've done a lot of chorus work from 140 down to 20 and if you use more than 4 quality (condenser) overheads you doing something wrong. From about 40 on down I'm at 2 overheads and for quartets it's a XY setup. The old adage of "less is more in audio" applies well here. Gain before feedback drops 18dB for 64 mics, might as well leave the stuff off stage. The larger the chorus the less sound reinforcement is needed. Usually a couple of handhelds for solos and a emcee podium mic rounds out the list. I've seen and heard some College choirs with upward of 50 SM58's and they sounded as messy as they looked. The idea is to get a uniform rich sound out of a group, not to cater to a bunch of Prima Donas. Good luck with that. ;)
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There's no potential across pins 2 and 3 with phantom power (just the same as with battery power) the issue is the output of one preamp trying to drive the output of the other. I don't know enough to be sure if it is safe or otherwise but it is not recommended. You should certainly never use two outputs to drive a single input at line or speaker/headphone level without proper isolation (the obvious one is iPod/Phone or suchlike stereo headphone outputs into a single mixer input, if you just short T & R on the stereo plug and use a TS on the other enn you could fry the headphone amps (which aren't known to be especially robust).
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http://www.cliftonlaboratories.com/microphone_output_level.htm
The output voltage of a mic (which would include the mic's internal preamp output if it has one) appears to be on the order of 50mV or less. This is an AC fluctuation going across a line that is charged with a constant DC phantom voltage of anywhere from 10-50VDC. I would be curious to know how a 50mV AC voltage fluctuation could damage another mic that is working with a 48V input.
So my argument that Y'ing passive mics together is harmless is based on the fact that the mics themselves do not have a power supply, and in fact the line they are connected to already carries a far greater power supply on them.
In the case of headphone or line output jacks, those are generally powered sources and are being connected to a line that has no power. So you are pitting two sole power sources against each other -- which I agree does not sound like a good idea.
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The 48VDC phantom power is not going across the hot and cold signal connections of the mics preamp it is between pins 1 (-ve) and pins 2 & 3 (+ve) equally so 2&3 are at equal potential (meaning there is NO voltage across them, this is why it doesn't immediately destroy any dynamic mics connected to a live P48 input, don't connect your vintage ribbon mic there though). If you used a TSF jack to XLRM adapter to connect an old, jack terminated, dynamic mic to a P48 input you would almost certainly destroy the mic. With capacitors any signal sent by mic one between pins 2 & 3 would be driving the output devices of mic 2's preamp, as the output is very low impedance compared to the desk's mic inputs that would generate a much greater current into it. Most will handle this fine but it is definitely not what they were designed for and I wouldn't take the chance of (at best) subtle distortion and at worst damage. With dynamic mics the issue of damage is minimal, they are pretty robust devices but, if you were to connect one to another then excite the diaphragm of the first, in theory, you would hear the second behaving like a loudspeaker (remember the "two tin cans and a piece of string walky-talky beloved of pre-teens wannabe 007s"? this is just the electrical version). This is exactly what you are doing when you use a y-cable to send two mics to one mic preamp. This can't be expected to sound good.
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I'm with those who think that Y on a matched pair of mics would probably work fine for choral groups. I don't do that, but I haven't had to do that. Have been in situations where there were condenser mics hanging from the ceiling. I didn't like using them. Think they might have been aimed poorly. (Probably up too high also.) Those weren't Y'd. But every time I tried to use them, they just muddied the sound. (Omni directionals?) Theater was small so just didn't bother mic'ing the choral group.
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It's important if you release the eq or fader and it continues to climb !
I've seen this on every iPad remote app I've used. It's damned near impossible to set a fader to 0. Release and it moves. Drives me and my OCD nuts.
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This is one of those places where physical faders beat virtual ones.
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would be nice if a double-tap somewhere could bottom out the fader
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It's important if you release the eq or fader and it continues to climb !
I've seen this on every iPad remote app I've used. It's damned near impossible to set a fader to 0. Release and it moves. Drives me and my OCD nuts.
So what's wrong with typing in a 0 ? To long?
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I have 'My Lyric Book' on the wireless iPad with an Airturn pedal which replaces the onscreen keyboard.
It does irritate me too though I'm only slightly OCD about this (and coiling mic cables). The double tap to zero works on the PEQ and GEQ pages and on pan controls. I suppose an accidental double tap on a fader could cause a huge level jump so maybe the Mackoids are right. None of the other iPad apps I have do it either (X32, A&H GLD, QU and iLive). The A&H apps don't seem to do it for pan either which is really irritating, I haven't used them in anger for a while so maybe they do live just not offline
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Bump...
Has anybody heard on a release date for the My Fader 3.0? Just thought I'd ask.
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Has anybody heard on a release date for the My Fader 3.0? Just thought I'd ask.
I think I remember something about at or soon after NAMM January 22-25.
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Here's my idea. I would like the ability to move channels. Here's my scenario:
Let's say I have a group with 6 singers (Channels 1 - 6), 5 instruments (channels 7 - 11), and drums (channels 12 - 18). Then, a new singer joins the group. So I want to move the instruments and drums one channel to the right, so I can put the new singer on channel 7.
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Here's my idea. I would like the ability to move channels. Here's my scenario:
Let's say I have a group with 6 singers (Channels 1 - 6), 5 instruments (channels 7 - 11), and drums (channels 12 - 18). Then, a new singer joins the group. So I want to move the instruments and drums one channel to the right, so I can put the new singer on channel 7.
Great idea. And why not take a design hint from our smart phones ... WYSIWYG view editing mode where you can drag your channels around, or 'flick' them off the screen if you don't want them in that view. Maybe even drop them on top of each other to create DCA channel groups on the fly.
Which vendor do you think will provide this first?
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Great idea. And why not take a design hint from our smart phones ... WYSIWYG view editing mode where you can drag your channels around, or 'flick' them off the screen if you don't want them in that view. Maybe even drop them on top of each other to create DCA channel groups on the fly.
Which vendor do you think will provide this first?
The X-Air app does both of those kinda like you suggest.
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Another feature I would like would be a sidechain insert, the ability to have the gate on one channel triggered by the signal on another channel.
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Another feature I would like would be a sidechain insert, the ability to have the gate on one channel triggered by the signal on another channel.
I probably already said this - but I'd really like the gates to have a frequency control so you could "tune" them to the particular tom they are gating :) .
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Here's my idea. I would like the ability to move channels. Here's my scenario:
Let's say I have a group with 6 singers (Channels 1 - 6), 5 instruments (channels 7 - 11), and drums (channels 12 - 18). Then, a new singer joins the group. So I want to move the instruments and drums one channel to the right, so I can put the new singer on channel 7.
I'm trying to imagine how you'd deal with the actual XLR connections in this scenario. Would you physically pull every XLR from 18 thru 7 and move them one jack to the right? Or would expect to connect the new singer to input jack #19 and simply map that to channel 7 on the display? Do this a couple of times and any type of troubleshooting would become a nightmare. If you just want 1-6 and 19 to appear together in sequence, can't that be done with view groups? Not criticizing just asking
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In my scenario, I would shift all the XLRs, starting with #7, one connector to the right. The new singer wouldn't join the group min the middle of a show, so the next time I set up, I would plug the mics into the needed jacks.
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I would suggest that when setting channels up, you leave extra channels for singers and drums. You can always remove unused channels from views and will have an easier time adding musicians in the meantime.
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I don't think its all that important that the I out channels are displayed in order on the display. If you have to access an XLR jack you're going to go straight to that jack based in its number, not by counting faders on your display. Groups and DCAs are out of sequence anyway.
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Multichannel .WAV file size limit configurability
Having recording switch to a new .WAV after every 2GB leads to a lot of required effort in stitching long recordings back together in the DAW (for me, Logic Pro X).
The manual states:
In order to achieve maximum compatibility with DAWs and other pieces of hardware, we must ensure that the .wav files we produce are less than 2 GB. It takes a very long time to get to 2 GB when you are recording a stereo .wav file but what about for a 24 chan- nel wav file? With that many channels all in one file, 2 GB comes after just around 10 minutes of recording.
Fine, but if some DAWs can handle larger files, let the file size limit be configurable to a larger size to reduce the work required for reassembly.
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While we're on the topic of recording, how about the ability to select which channels to record, without having to patch the channels. For example, if I want to record 10 channels, I could open up a popover, allowing me to select which 10 channels to record.
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Here's my idea. I would like the ability to move channels. Here's my scenario:
Let's say I have a group with 6 singers (Channels 1 - 6), 5 instruments (channels 7 - 11), and drums (channels 12 - 18). Then, a new singer joins the group. So I want to move the instruments and drums one channel to the right, so I can put the new singer on channel 7.
I'm trying to imagine how you'd deal with the actual XLR connections in this scenario. Would you physically pull every XLR from 18 thru 7 and move them one jack to the right? Or would expect to connect the new singer to input jack #19 and simply map that to channel 7 on the display? Do this a couple of times and any type of troubleshooting would become a nightmare. If you just want 1-6 and 19 to appear together in sequence, can't that be done with view groups? Not criticizing just asking
On the X-Air, you can plug into any spare channel and go to the setup screen and "drag" that fader between 6 and 7 - way cool! :)
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That's what I want! What's an X-Air?
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That's what I want! What's an X-Air?
We don't give that information out to Mackie Junkies, they usually get all hot and bothered under the collar when mentioning the word Behringer ;).
Would be nice if you updated your profile so we know were you are. Makes it easier for our contract killers to find you. ;D
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I do have some Behringer gear. In fact, I'm the only person I know that pronounces it correctly (The g is a hard g). But I'll take a look at my profile, and see if I can add enough information to throw off the contract killers. >:D
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I do have some Behringer gear. In fact, I'm the only person I know that pronounces it correctly (The g is a hard g). But I'll take a look at my profile, and see if I can add enough information to throw off the contract killers. >:D
Uli will be happy to know that. ;) Beautiful Southern CA is my backyard, so where?
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I do have some Behringer gear. In fact, I'm the only person I know that pronounces it correctly (The g is a hard g). But I'll take a look at my profile, and see if I can add enough information to throw off the contract killers. >:D
I'm sure you've seen it by now, but here's a link. I'm seriously looking at this box as a replacement for the DL.
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1095112-REG/behringer_x_air_xr18_18_channel.html?gclid=CMjY7vK838MCFQdffgod_g4AAQ
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I'm sure you've seen it by now, but here's a link. I'm seriously looking at this box as a replacement for the DL.
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1095112-REG/behringer_x_air_xr18_18_channel.html?gclid=CMjY7vK838MCFQdffgod_g4AAQ
So far it's vaporware - plus I'd wait a bit after they start shipping before jumping ship, I'm sure they will have their teething problems too ;) .
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The specs look nice and nice overall features, but like the wise RR mentioned it's a non-existent product. Available maybe in May.
I would wait until after the first 20 owner reviews come in. At least the DL has been around a bit and you know what you are getting into buying one.
A person surfing the web looking for info on a Mackie DL will easily find this site and gain a wealth of "inside" info that would help them to make a informed decision. Right now the B X18 is a "pig in a polk" could be a huge waste of $ 700.00
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Request for v4... could the digital Trim function be reflected in the channel input meters.
The new trim function is great. It actually makes the internal iPad channel usable now that the signal level can be cut back. Unfortunately the meters don't reflect this gain reduction. Although the signal is reduced, the meters continue to show a peaked input signal. It's minor I know. but it would be nice to have.
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Request for v4... could the digital Trim function be reflected in the channel input meters.
The new trim function is great. It actually makes the internal iPad channel usable now that the signal level can be cut back. Unfortunately the meters don't reflect this gain reduction. Although the signal is reduced, the meters continue to show a peaked input signal. It's minor I know. but it would be nice to have.
The reason it's that way is that you do want to know the real input levels since clipping levels in the analog section is needed the rest is just math. A software switch would satisfy both in setup or somewhere to switch the meters.
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The reason it's that way is that you do want to know the real input levels since clipping levels in the analog section is needed the rest is just math. A software switch would satisfy both in setup or somewhere to switch the meters.
But the iPad channel isn't analog so no prob having the meter "post trim" on that one channel :) . It's "just software" ;) - I'm sure that Mackie just didn't have the time to do it right yet :) .
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I do have some Behringer gear. In fact, I'm the only person I know that pronounces it correctly (The g is a hard g). But I'll take a look at my profile, and see if I can add enough information to throw off the contract killers. >:D
I'm sure you've seen it by now, but here's a link. I'm seriously looking at this box as a replacement for the DL.
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1095112-REG/behringer_x_air_xr18_18_channel.html?gclid=CMjY7vK838MCFQdffgod_g4AAQ
Michael, Uli Behringer pronounces his name "Beh-rin-jer" (soft "G"?).....
The X-Air is indeed vapourware while the DL1608 is a good sounding mixer with nice software and a reasonably good rep. Nothing is perfect and we can all find things we would like changed/improved but the DL, by any standards, is a good mixer and I love mine.
But.... Mackie don't do a DL2412 with faders...... That would have been a no-brainer for me but, when gigs needing more I/O and real faders started to come in I had to buy something that could cope, in my case that was a Behringer X32 Compact and it is a very nice desk. The app is less friendly than Master Fader but apart from that it does the job just fine. The mic preamps are at least as good as the DL and reverbs are nicer (the DL reverbs are fine on many live gigs but a little lacking for some applications) and obviously it has more I/O (22/14 including aux's). The DL3216 has more but no faders and still the mediocre reverbs, and it's more expensive than the Compact.
I do still love my DL1608 but it is up for sale as my next purchase will be an X32 Rack which will do everything the DL does and more and, more importantly, act as both stagebox and backup mixer for the Compact on my bigger gigs. OK the Rack is in a bigger box (probably twice the size of the DL) but I guess I'll have to put up with that as I can't justify keeping the DL as well as the Rack.
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Michael, Uli Behringer pronounces his name "Beh-rin-jer" (soft "G"?).....
I've only heard him once, and that was on a CD that came with a piece of Behringer gear, years ago, and he said his name with a hard G. But I have heard people use a soft G, even in his presence without being corrected. So, perhaps both are acceptable.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=awS0NQbPxOI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=awS0NQbPxOI) Uli makes no correction to the presenter's pronunciation at the beginning of the clip, however, at 2:25 he pronounces his first name "Ooh-lee" (not you-lee) and at 3:21 he refers to his company as "Beh-rin-jer".....
It is quite possible he Anglicised the pronunciation of his name for the benefit of the English speakers in his customer base though (the interview was in 2008).... Who knows :facepalm:
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Some of us with names that are hard to pronounce, or the correct pronunciation is ambiguous, given the spelling, have pretty much given up on correcting people. I'm to the point that I answer to just about anything -- including, "hey you!"
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I'm sure you've seen it by now, but here's a link. I'm seriously looking at this box as a replacement for the DL.
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1095112-REG/behringer_x_air_xr18_18_channel.html?gclid=CMjY7vK838MCFQdffgod_g4AAQ
So far it's vaporware - plus I'd wait a bit after they start shipping before jumping ship, I'm sure they will have their teething problems too ;) .
Agree on all points. And today, I still love my DL1608 (2.x ver)! The Behringer unit will have to first be made, and then tested by users before I run out and buy one. I'll be keeping my DL as well, even if I by the X18.
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I'd like to have a pre/post fader switch for effect sends.
Sometimes when I mix a jazz combo in a small location, the sax/trumpet player is loud enough so the fader is all down.
But it would be nice to give him some reverb from the DL in ballads.
btw
I think the reverb is quite useable if it's EQed.
lowcut around 150 Hz and a little boost on top end.
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If the sax fader is all the way down how would anyone hear reverb since it would come thru the mains?
Only thing I can think of is if the horn is thru the monitors with a bit of reverb it might bleed thru.
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I'd like to have a pre/post fader switch for effect sends.
Sometimes when I mix a jazz combo in a small location, the sax/trumpet player is loud enough so the fader is all down.
But it would be nice to give him some reverb from the DL in ballads.
I always run the 'verb pre-fader for that reason - and also I often have the snare mic off in the mains but want some reverb from it. It's not a big problem to have the vocals pre-fader also - but I have been a constant advocate of having the pre/post switchable per channel like my Phonic Summit was.
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If the fader is all the way down , take the channel out of the LR miix and use the fader to send to the reverb , if you want some in LR route it to a group and then to LR
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So, now that Behringer finally shipped the XR16 I hope Mackie plays a bit of catch-up soon ;) . I'd really like to see input routing, another FX or two, and more choices of tap points for the auxes :) . A PC app would be pretty cool, too 8) .
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So, now that Behringer finally shipped the XR16 I hope Mackie plays a bit of catch-up soon ;) . I'd really like to see input routing, another FX or two, and more choices of tap points for the auxes :) . A PC app would be pretty cool, too 8) .
Maybe we'll see something new from them before the end of this year? A re-invention of the current 806/1608 platform in a similar format to the XR line? DL1608R?
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Maybe we'll see something new from them before the end of this year? A re-invention of the current 806/1608 platform in a similar format to the XR line? DL1608R?
I'd love to see a DL24R :) . But I suspect they'll be mostly working on upgrading the DL32R to be competitive. One "fixed" delay FX and two "fixed" reverb FXs isn't much gonna interest the pro segment when the lowly X-Air series has four awesome FX units and the X32 Rack has eight :eek: .
I hope that ends up giving the DL1608 at least two reverbs, I could live with that :) .
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The real Pro-audio level probably doesn't look at mixers that cost less than $5K. Not worth their while. So all the mixers you're mentioning are really geared for lower end who need more channels. The effects aren't critical and if you wander around them enough, you can find useable settings. (I'm a very light effects user. If you can hear the effect, it's up too high.) And yes, there will always be something new coming or better coming or something. Can't worry about it. I'm wanting the DL1608 to last me until I quit doing this. (Somewhere about 8 years from now.) I don't expect a lot more features added to the software. Could be pleasantly surprised, but the current version of Master Fader has exceeded my expectations. Will probably take the multiple ipad control route so I can see and use all mixer channels at the same time.
By the way, I like the iphone app "Remote" for controlling itunes. Will probably be using it for my Senior's show this spring.
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I posted the below suggestion to the Mackie user voice. Thoughts??
Incremental fader adjustment
Move fader up or down 1db by double tapping above or below fader handle within the fader box.
Alternatively - have a preference in settings that lets the user set the amount of adjustment to apply when double tapping above or below fader handle (0 / 0.5 / 1 / 1.5 / 2 / 2.5 / 3 / 3.5 / 4 / 4.5 / 5 / 5.5 / 6 db)
As a solo act running my own sound, this would make it soooo much easier to make fine tuning adjustments, especially while playing an instrument and singing. I can also see this being a feature soundmen could use to turn up an instrument channel (a user defined amount of db) during a solo by double tapping above the fader handle and then easily returning to the previous setting by double tapping below the fader handle.
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After mixing for a play last Saturday, two shows, I'd like to second a vote on the tap for small increases or decreases described above. Great idea, might be slightly too small an increment.
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Ransul, you got my vote on that. I like it, especially if I can set the increment.
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I posted the below suggestion to the Mackie user voice. Thoughts??
Incremental fader adjustment
Move fader up or down 1db by double tapping above or below fader handle within the fader box.
QSC's TouchMix does that. It's useful. I find it damned difficult to set an iPad fader precisely with my finger.
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I posted the below suggestion to the Mackie user voice. Thoughts??
Incremental fader adjustment
Move fader up or down 1db by double tapping above or below fader handle within the fader box.
QSC's TouchMix does that. It's useful. I find it damned difficult to set an iPad fader precisely with my finger.
I quite agree! I use a stylus due to my big pinkies and it's still difficult some times. ;)
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I posted the below suggestion to the Mackie user voice. Thoughts??
Incremental fader adjustment
Move fader up or down 1db by double tapping above or below fader handle within the fader box.
QSC's TouchMix does that. It's useful. I find it damned difficult to set an iPad fader precisely with my finger.
I quite agree! I use a stylus due to my big pinkies and it's still difficult some times. ;)
MF should be able to rotate to portrait view in order to provide long throw faders, similar to the Auria DAW app. It would make small adjustments a lot easier. I'd prefer to just grab a fader and let my ears determine the level.
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Agree on the faders. I find it especially difficult in MF3, but very easy on Classic.
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MF should be able to rotate to portrait view in order to provide long throw faders, similar to the Auria DAW app. It would make small adjustments a lot easier. I'd prefer to just grab a fader and let my ears determine the level.
Yamaha's StageMix has a Long Faders button. Faders top to bottom. No rotation needed.
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MF should be able to rotate to portrait view in order to provide long throw faders, similar to the Auria DAW app. It would make small adjustments a lot easier. I'd prefer to just grab a fader and let my ears determine the level.
Yamaha's StageMix has a Long Faders button. Faders top to bottom. No rotation needed.
That'll work too. Point is, I'd rather have decent sized faders than a set of up/down controls.
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Olher good solution for that is, just as in the ilive mixpad from Allen&Heath, where you can select the fader and then if you go with your finger to the side you can fine tune the fader position making it go much slower. Until now this was the best solution I've seen for fader position control.
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I'm all for stealing the best ideas that other companies are using. (Learned that from Behringer. They don't really think up their own designs do they? I always figured that they watched to see what was selling then designed the exact same thing with cheaper components.)
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I'm all for stealing the best ideas that other companies are using. (Learned that from Behringer. They don't really think up their own designs do they? I always figured that they watched to see what was selling then designed the exact same thing with cheaper components.)
More anti-Behringer nonsense from a guy that doesn't even own one. How about the same components at a better price. More vertically integrated and everybody does the good idea copying. :o
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I've got the left over parts from a Behringer powered mixer on my work bench after it died. I've also had a small mixer that I gave to a friend to mix his keyboards and the only functioning piece of Behringer equipment that I still own is my cable tester. (Got to do something with that dead mixer.) So suggesting that I've never owned any Behringer gear is wrong. But hey, I've been in the music business longer than Behringers have been imported. (Maybe longer than the company has been around? Haven't looked it up.) I've owned Montgomery Wards, Standel, Acoustic, Heathkit, Vox, Altec Lansing equipment over the years. (a 35 watt tube, Altec Lansing PA head.) That's just the odd stuff. (Or at least the stuff from companies that are basically gone now.)
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Just found out that I've been living in Colorado longer than Behringer has existed. How about that?
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Just checking what hardware you have. :) I did mean digital mixers, my bad, I currently have 3 digital Behringer mixers. DDX3216, X32, XR18 all fully functional. I've been at this since 1954, you do the math.
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If you've been doing this since 1954 and I would assume that you were near 20 at that time, you would be about 80 years old now. That's a lot of history. (And just a few years younger than my Mother-in-law.) I turn 62 later this month. I only have the DL1608, Alesis Multi-mix 16 firewire and a new Yamaha tiny mixer. I'm not trying to be all things to all people. I'm happy where I am. (Doing sound for a Jazz group later today.) Also coming to the conclusion that most musicians now own at least one PA system. It's great for the manufacturers, but a bit stupid for musicians to own something that most of them aren't qualified to run on the bleeding edge. I also think I have too much stuff and need to get rid of some of it. Maybe I can get some musicians to buy it.
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If you've been doing this since 1954 and I would assume that you were near 20 at that time, you would be about 80 years old now. That's a lot of history. (And just a few years younger than my Mother-in-law.) I turn 62 later this month. I only have the DL1608, Alesis Multi-mix 16 firewire and a new Yamaha tiny mixer. I'm not trying to be all things to all people. I'm happy where I am. (Doing sound for a Jazz group later today.) Also coming to the conclusion that most musicians now own at least one PA system. It's great for the manufacturers, but a bit stupid for musicians to own something that most of them aren't qualified to run on the bleeding edge. I also think I have too much stuff and need to get rid of some of it. Maybe I can get some musicians to buy it.
Never ass-u-me at 13 (7th grade as stagecrafters) we did audio, film and lighting along with set building etc. I had to do the math for you anyway I'm 73. ;) I know I have way too much gear. Way more than I can use.
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Just checking what hardware you have. :) I did mean digital mixers, my bad, I currently have 3 digital Behringer mixers. DDX3216, X32, XR18 all fully functional. If been at this since 1954, you do the math.
Let's dail the rhetoric back a notch!! I don't think anyone's trying to insult your intelligence. I too will not touch Behringer because of problems I've had in the past. I'm not going to speak to the Behringer of today, but back then, they were considered the BIC lighter of the industry. They worked until they didn't and then you threw them away. Now, I'm not trying to sway anyone's opinion or go out of my way to bash Behringer. Some people swear by it and I say "what ever floats your boat". But I'm not going to pretend the problems they had in the past didn't exist.
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Just checking what hardware you have. :) I did mean digital mixers, my bad, I currently have 3 digital Behringer mixers. DDX3216, X32, XR18 all fully functional. I've been at this since 1954, you do the math.
Let's dail the rhetoric back a notch!! I don't think anyone's trying to insult your intelligence. I too will not touch Behringer because of problems I've had in the past. I'm not going to speak to the Behringer of today, but back then, they were considered the BIC lighter of the industry. They worked until they didn't and then you threw them away. Now, I'm not trying to sway anyone's opinion or go out of my way to bash Behringer. Some people swear by it and I say "what ever floats your boat". But I'm not going to pretend the problems they had in the past didn't exist.
The word is "dial" and I agree with you that the anti-Behringer rhetoric needs to be stopped. :) I don't live in the past but certainly learn from my mistakes and as you stated "what ever floats your boat". Your BIC analogy is your opinion but they didn't get to where they're today without improvements YMMV. No insult perceived. ;)
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Yes the word is dial, but I have a sneaking suspicion that my thoughts were understood by all so I can only assume that you condescended a bit with that statement. Look, I'm not going to get into a pissing contest with you. I'm willing to have a civilized discussion and share ideas and opinions with anyone that wants to reciprocate. My thoughts on Behringer equipment are mine and mine alone. As I said, I'm not trying to convert anyone to my way of thinking. I'm just stating my circumstance, the way I lived them. As I stated, I'm not speaking of today's Behringer, and by all accounts I agree with what you're saying.
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Behringer would hardly be the first company to watch for market trends and then jump in when someone else proved there was a barely tapped market. Lately that's been people copying Apple. Apple sees a product that isn't selling well but they think it should, they create their own version, mp3 player, tablet, smartphone and then the product takes off. Then other companies jump on the bandwagon. Tablets, smartphones, mp3 players. Will be interesting to see what happens with the Apple Watch. (That one might fail in my opinion. With the expected price of the high end one, I'd be surprised if they sell 10 of the $10,000+ version.)
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Back on topic, now that the majority of functionality has been sorted (though I do like the incremental increase / decrease double tap idea), is it now not time that some focus is given to reverbs? I have generally got on ok with them, but recently (with new songs that the band are doing) they just fall short. Perhaps an opportunity to include for plug-ins so that we could use commonly available effects? At the very least maybe a rehash of the existing pre-sets to give something a bit closer to the built in effects of the CFX range?
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I'm wondering if the problem with the effects isn't partly the complexity level of the controls. You have the send for each channel. That's normal. You have the effect choice. That one's a bit weird, but with greater control options than small boards normally have. Then you have the send and then you have an add to each output. I'm a bit of the opinion that if there was a place that needed a classic format option, it's the effects. For comparison, you have 3 controls in any single path on a mixwiz's effects. You have 3 volume controls only on any single path on DL's effects and then you add the effect choice and leave all the options open for an additional 4 controls.
I'd like to hear about the effect units that people like to see how they actually differ from the DLs.
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I am happy with the routing, that works fine and is identical to my old analogue scenario. I have had a few effects units that I liked, the Zoom RFX 1000 and 2000, the Alesis Midiverb and a Yamaha 14bit digital processor. Even some of the presets in the Behringer mixers are useable off the bat. I've never had the pleasure of using a Lexicon unit, so can't comment, but assume that is the benchmark.
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The effects routing on the DL is pretty strait forward. however, It would have been nice if they had included some send/return jacks In case you wanted to use some outboard gear. Yes you can use an aux/channel pair, but it would be nice if you didn't have to. The biggest problem I have with the reverb are the algorithms. They all sound rather hollow and metallic, like the inside of a large drainage pipe. It's passable for Rock, but lacks the airiness of an intimate vocal part. The delay is super, super basic! No modulation so you can't really do a convincing double and you can forget about chorus or flange. About all its good for is strait slapback and echo. It's very difficult to tap anything faster than 1/8's, or triplets faster than 1/4T with any degree of accuracy. That is why I only use the onboard FX for rudimentary stuff, and I use a Lexicon Mpx500 and a TC D-Two patched in on aux/channel pairs.
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The delay is super, super basic! No modulation so you can't really do a convincing double and you can forget about chorus or flange. About all its good for is strait slapback and echo.
I usually just use it for an "old school" style 20ms delay doubling.
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What are the odds that the release of MF 4.X will coincide with the release of a new product line?
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What are the odds that the release of MF 4.X will coincide with the release of a new product line?
Or with the release of My Fader 4.0. ???
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Well, fingers crossed that MF 4.X and My Fader 4.X are released within a short period of time of each other, if not together, this time around. ;)
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The only reason I can think of for a V4 now is adding full routing (like the X-Air) and morebetter FX with insert capability (lke the X-Air). Kindof interesting that the DL32R needs to play catch-up with the X-Air when it really should be competing with the X32 line?
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It's good to dream. Maybe they'll also fix that age-old problem called SYNC or is everyone trained now to ignore it?
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There are SYNC issues? When did this happen? :P :lol:
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I'm expecting that when they release Master Fader 4.x, they will also be releasing My Fader 4.x at the same time. There is also the slight possibility for My Fader 3.x to be useable with Master Fader 4.x (If they don't change the volume controls in the upgrade. It might happen.) I'm still of the opinion that they pretty much rewrote Master Fader 3.x and had to rewrite My Fader 3.x to match. Should at least be simpler this time because they don't have the White Noise issue to deal with. (Hopefully, nothing will have to be totally rewritten.)
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All joking aside, in all the time I’ve used this current DL, I’ve never noticed a serious sync issue. It could’ve dropped during performances, but it cleared so fast it was negligible to me. White noise under 2.X was always a “non-issue” as well since I never used the iPad channel. Now with MF 3.X white noise at least has been eliminated. MF 4 can only bring more improvements in the long run.
Good thing that Mackie re-issued MF 2.X aka: Master Fader Classic. If and when 4 comes out it may just leave the older iPads struggling to catch up with even more hardware demands. Let’s hope that’s not the case.
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Yup, the FX need an overhaul.
Doing that would put a lot of criticism to bed once and for all. :thu:
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...and while I'm at it what about a revamp of the:
1. Mute group select
2. MIX select
3. View group select.
A tab view, more separation or some sort of interface update would benefit it greatly.
I've found it to be less than clear when working quickly. ;)
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How would you change the Mute and view group selects? I think they're just fine, but I'm open to improvements.
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How would you change the Mute and view group selects? I think they're just fine, but I'm open to improvements.
When you hit them they're fine, they expand up nicely.
I just think they're a bit low key when they're not activated.
No matter how often I use them, I have to pause to look, then select the one I'm after. (and it's not my eyesight at fault ;))
Make them clearer in the de-activated state by colour scheme, size or shape.
It's nothing major but a niggle for me.
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For a completely frivolous request, give the interface more realism and make the channel dB scale markers easier to read. The current one is very easy to navigate and you can add color to it, but the other apps out there look like there’s a real hardware desk sitting there IMHO, especially the Touch Mix App, X32 App and even the Q-Pad App look more like real mixers.
It’s not a big deal since MF is very easy to use, but a GUI (the overall look) refresh might be nice. ;)
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It’s not a big deal since MF is very easy to use, but a GUI (the overall look) refresh might be nice. ;)
V3 did do a GUI update - shorter fader throws and harder to read text. That's what all you all wanted, right? ;)
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How would you change the Mute and view group selects?
Myself, I wanted to use separate channel mutes for the reverb sends (which works fine) but then include those in mute groups (no joy :( ). This would work around the lack of a second reverb - I'd like to be able to mute the reverb on the vocal channels when the talent is talking to the audience but not the reverb on the instruments. This could also be done using subgroups if the subgroups could be put in the reverb - the present GUI looks like that's possible but - again - no joy :( . If you could route a subgroup to an aux out I'd even be willing to burn an input to do it that way :) .
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It’s not a big deal since MF is very easy to use, but a GUI (the overall look) refresh might be nice. ;)
V3 did do a GUI update - shorter fader throws and harder to read text. That's what all you all wanted, right? ;)
How did you know? :lol:
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I want the db scale to be the same font and color as on My Fader 3.x. That's quite readable. I will admit that I like Presonus's turning the ipad to move from multiple controls to single channel. (Probably copy-writed)
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I want the db scale to be the same font and color as on My Fader 3.x. That's quite readable.
..really? I can't read mine at all even with reading glasses. I must be goin blind :(
Edit: sorry I didn't read your post properly. "My Fader " is quite legible. "Master fader" I struggle with
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I haven't seen My Fader, so I don't how the DB numbers look. But I agree they are hard to read in Master Fader. But not impossible. And I'm OK with it the way it is.
I probably will rarely use the FX in the DL32R, but I can see the need to must the effects without muting the channels. You don't want band members talking with reverb, but you do when they sing. I like the idea of being able to mute all the reverbs with a mute group.
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The difference between Master and My Fader's db scale is like dusk and DAY. I like Day a whole lot better.
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The difference between Master and My Fader's db scale is like dusk and DAY. I like Day a whole lot better.
Is it easier to make the scale stand out more, or could they create a virtual backlight on the active channels? Turning up the iPad screen brightness doesn't do too much other than hurt your eyes in a dark venue and kill the battery faster. :'(
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Point is that My Fader's db scale is readable on a smaller screen than Master Fader's is on an ipad. All they have to do is copy the font and color from My Fader 3.x over to Master Fader 3.x It should be pretty easy.
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You almost kinda get the feeling that when they are redesigning the GUI or the features, they see that something is amiss, like darker db scales and they go, “Oops! @#$%, oh well, no one will notice, just leave it” “We’ll fix it when we get enough complaints, maybe”
Almost indeed! ::)
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I would say that enough complaints are already here on the db scale.
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Let's keep our fingers crossed that Mackie is trolling this site and taking notice. :)
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Or head over to the Mackie user voice website and get voting / propose the change. I have just updated my votes to the RTA overlay on the GEQ and some better reverbs.
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"Master fader" I struggle with
The dB scale on V3.02 totally sucks on a non-retina iPad. I'm told it isn't so bad on the retina ones. But as it's possible for an app to do different graphics depending on the display resolution I wonder why they haven't done so? I guess "Classic" is partially for us non-retina users...
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I probably will rarely use the FX in the DL32R, but I can see the need to must the effects without muting the channels.
You don't use FX, or have given up on the on-board? You can definitely mute the reverb entirely now - what I need to do is just mute the reverb on the vocal mics so I can still have it on the instruments during the intros and extros. It's one of the differences between being an amateur piece of kit and a pro board IMO.
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Most of the gigs that I do don't require reverb, so that's why I don't expect to use it much. But I still like your idea. :thu:
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If anyone is interested, I just did a comparison running MF 3.X on the iPad 2 and Air 2 to look for any differences in the channel dB marking legibility. Exactly the same. Hard to read. :( The overall GUI looks better and colour is more defined on the Air 2.
I then ran MF Classic for fun and what a difference in the dB scaling, sooo much easier to see with my old eyes. It's not a big deal since I rarely use the scaling for reference except for the 0 dB mark on Main L&R. Beside that I can always type it in the information box/window at the top center of the main screen that shows the selected channel if I want to be very accurate.
And no I wouldn't go back to MF Classic unless I absolutely have to, even though it's still a good version. I like all the pluses that 3.X has to offer even on the 1608. 8)
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And if you looked at MY Fader 3.x, you will also see a very readable db scale. Nice color, font and size even though the screen on an iphone is much smaller. I'd be happy to just see that copied over to Master Fader 3.x.
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And if you looked at MY Fader 3.x, you will also see a very readable db scale. Nice color, font and size even though the screen on an iphone is much smaller. I'd be happy to just see that copied over to Master Fader 3.x.
I've checked out My Fader 3.X and yes I agree that it's much easier to read. How come they got that right, but missed out on Master Fader 3.X? I know My Fader came out much later, but wow, what happened there? Maybe the next update to MF 3.X will address this at least?
PS: I tried My Fader 3.X on the iPad. Wow what a difference. You can make it 1X or 2X size (very big). Talk about legible. Not that I would run My Fader on the iPad too often though. It is so much easier to see though, for old eyes!
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Since this is about MF/MyF wants let's make the UI at least useful. As it currently is implemented you have a numbered scale, yes it needs to be white on MF, but anytime you try to use it the infamous "Grow and Glow" obliterates the scale. So what good does it do if you can't read it, clear letters or not. In MF at least you have this dinky number top center that will give you the current value, but in MyF you're out of luck. Best use your ears if you can. Let me suggest loosing "Grow and Glow" altogether and replace it with a temporary window or frame above the fader and your fingers with LARGE letters for the fader position with a persistence while you have control. Give it a Glow if you must. Don't insult people with fractional dB, REALLY.
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When we were using real faders, we had to depend on our ears, especially if we are concentrating on the stage instead of looking at the board all the time. You could grab onto the fader or knob and not worry about losing your grip on it.
That’s the only small downfall with virtual faders, you can’t grab it and keep your hand on it the same way. You can keep it active with your finger or a stylus, but it’s not quite the same. Yes you can adapt, but…
Of course, I think the other benefits of digital wireless mixing does outweigh that little issue with virtual faders though. ;)
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And that is a point I've been making for some time. The virtual faders aren't as good as real faders for my senior's variety show where I take all the sound issue control into my hands. Nobody gets to mute their own mic. But watching and having a finger or two on the virtual faders allows for slippage while looking at the stage. And yes, there are many advantages that permit and even encourage the use of digital mixers. Just hoping someone designs a blue tooth fader rack for the mixer. (Or wired.) Not sure how much demand there might be for it, but I'd seriously consider buying one.
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I think you hooked up with the wrong crowd. You're looking for what Mackie can no longer produce and that is their own Mackie or HUI control. Behringer still does, maybe it's time to switch. ;) You're looking for X-touch or it's predecessor MIDI or USB control surface with motorized faders or dials. Looking at the big picture there are only two companies that even understand that audio is a system, that's Harmond and Behringer. Both produce end to end products, no one else AFAIK does.
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This would allow you to use real faders (analog mixer) and run wirelessly, and it looks like a good idea, but you'd have to run all wireless mics to be completely cable free. :(
http://www.altoproaudio.com/products/stealth-wireless
20 plus wireless mics would be a bit complicated and very expensive though. I've run up to 12 wireless mics with 12 receivers (rentals) and what a mess of wires. Of course I was set up close to the main stage for a school concert/play.
It could be done with the right budget I suppose. ;)
PS: Read some of the reviews and it appears that this system is not perfected yet. Some issues like high noise floor, not good for DJ work, (kills low end response at speakers) and drop-outs. Looks like it's best for standard PA work, speech and vocals.
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KM to be cable free you need to take the course I did with the chorus equipment, battery powered and on wheels. No cables anywhere but at the units. The current rehearsal setup has a operating time of about a 100 hrs. without charging (in case they forget :)). It takes about 2 minutes to set up. It has 2 wireless mics (EV) and a record/playback with any reasonable 3.5mm stereo device (iPad). Uses a single CBT based speaker (JBL CBT 70J) and will be painful if at max volume in a 30x40ftx18hgt. room.
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KM to be cable free you need to take the course I did with the chorus equipment, battery powered and on wheels. No cables anywhere but at the units. The current rehearsal setup has a operating time of about a 100 hrs. without charging (in case they forget :)). It takes about 2 minutes to set up. It has 2 wireless mics (EV) and a record/playback with any reasonable 3.5mm stereo device (iPad). Uses a single CBT based speaker (JBL CBT 70J) and will be painful if at max volume in a 30x40ftx18hgt. room.
I like that JBL CBT 70J for sure. Line Array huh? I've heard the Bose L1 systems and was impressed. The setup you mentioned has some allure too. Nice. :thu: 8)
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KM to be cable free you need to take the course I did with the chorus equipment, battery powered and on wheels. No cables anywhere but at the units. The current rehearsal setup has a operating time of about a 100 hrs. without charging (in case they forget :)). It takes about 2 minutes to set up. It has 2 wireless mics (EV) and a record/playback with any reasonable 3.5mm stereo device (iPad). Uses a single CBT based speaker (JBL CBT 70J) and will be painful if at max volume in a 30x40ftx18hgt. room.
I like that JBL CBT 70J for sure. Line Array huh? I've heard the Bose L1 systems and was impressed. The setup you mentioned has some allure too. Nice. :thu: 8)
World of difference between Bose (a straight line array that everybody makes) and the CBT. I stay away from snake oil tech (Bose) having dealt with them over the years. A lot more science behind the CBT (constant beamwidth transducer technology patented by Don Keele (JBL)). I can walk the room with a SPL meter and only have about a 3-4 dB variation, not bad.
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3-4 dB variation? Pretty darn good I would say! 8)
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My wish for Master Fader 4 is for Mackie to keep its familiar look and ease of operation. :)
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My wish for Master Fader 4 is for Mackie to keep its familiar look and ease of operation. :)
Version 2's or version 3's ? ;)
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My wish for Master Fader 4 is for Mackie to keep its familiar look and ease of operation. :)
Version 2's or version 3's ? ;)
Both? No? Had to try! :lol:
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V.4 requests:
Larger numbering for the channels? I run the live sound within the band while we're performing ( I know, I know, tsk, tsk), and I don't want to have to put on reading glasses or squint just to see the channel numbers if I have to make a quick adjustment.
Easier channel recording selection for the DL32R. Something akin to a solo switch on each fader that either toggles it on or off for recording. Simple, fast, easy.
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Agreed that the channel numbers are small.
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Here's another "want" for the next MasterFader upgrade.
The ability to hide unnecessary channels in the AUX screens. For instance, my band has occasional members that sub for us. When they are monitoring their assigned AUX send for their monitor mix, it would be helpful for them to be able to hide all the channels that they won't have any need to see, like the channels that are assigned to the person they are subbing for, unused channels, etc. It would prevent a lot of swiping back and forth to be able to see only the channels they are wanting to adjust.
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We do that now using existing view groups (1608). Problem of course is that there are 6 aux but only 4 groups. We just name the groups aux1 etc. technically there are 5 groups I guess since none is really a view with all channels.
I'd like to add to your request by suggesting that they add more view groups for the 1608. The dl32 ver already has more and it's all the same software...the options only change based on the hardware choice.
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I just build a view group (usually group d) and only assign the channels being used. Then that's all I need to look at and don't see any unused channels
I also like to set up a view for vocals so I can see only the vocal channels and in that assign group
I also put the VCA group for drums ,effects and instruments. That way I can see all the VOX for routine adjustments but can also have a overall volume know for the others in case a blanket adjustment is needed. Doing this I only need to have about 6-7 channels on the screen.
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Here's one I haven't read yet. I agree that the scale on channel sliders is far too small. Also agree with the comments that it gets hidden by the grow and glow of the fader slider as soon as you touch it. But for those of us who are right handed, as soon as you touch the fader with your right index finger the scale is hidden anyway! Forget grow and glow or even larger numbers... My hand is in the way LOL. My request is that they move the scale to the left side of the fader and the group/view numbers to the right. While I'm at it, the dark on dark numbers for groups/views is not much help either.
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While sliding the fader just look at the values in the box and the top of the screen, it will tell you exactly,where you are on the slider.
Totally agree on the subgroup/VCA/mute indicator lights. You really can't see these at all if you use a darker color in your colors selection.
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Here's one I haven't read yet. I agree that the scale on channel sliders is far too small. Also agree with the comments that it gets hidden by the grow and glow of the fader slider as soon as you touch it. But for those of us who are right handed, as soon as you touch the fader with your right index finger the scale is hidden anyway! Forget grow and glow or even larger numbers... My hand is in the way LOL. My request is that they move the scale to the left side of the fader and the group/view numbers to the right. While I'm at it, the dark on dark numbers for groups/views is not much help either.
I'm sure you've probably compared MF 2.X to 3.X, but here's my 2 cents worth on this request:
If you have a copy of MF 2.X load it up and look at the faders, now compare it to 3.X. big difference. The scale was on the left side and the fader knob, was pointed towards the scale. You could read the scale and the “grow and glow” didn’t obliterate the scale like it does in 3.X. Even using a stylus with 3.X doesn’t help the visuals. And you know we all like visuals better! ;)
I don’t rely on the scales as much as I do on the physical position of the fader, the info window at the top and my ears. But it was easier to see and use in 2.X. Why they had to redesign this feature to make it “better” in 3.X is beyond me. Obviously they were redesigned by programmers who never used faders in the real world on a tiny iPad screen in a dark cave of a venue. Come on Mackie, bring back that 2.X retro fader look and even though the scales are better in 3.X, you still have to squint at them, especially with older eyes . :)
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......some of us are lefties, and prefer it on the right. Don't know if it is an changeable option that can be toggled
to either left or righ display
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......some of us are lefties, and prefer it on the right. Don't know if it is an changeable option that can be toggled
to either left or righ display
I don't see why they couldn't accommodate both, by putting in that option in to change the display for left or right side. But will they?
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I kind of like the growing fader control, but Mackie could choose to just shift the color instead. Probably less software overhead that way too.
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There are lots of comments on getting better reverb ( with which I agree) and poss a second reverb (for 1608 like the 32r). I'd like to suggest/request that the software be changed to FX1 and FX2 rather than dedicated Reverb and Delay. Then allow each each FX to select the choice of reverb, delay, or even chorus. Chorus is actually the fx id like to see added. This would allow much more flex including the request for 2 reverbs. Most other boards use the format of an FX routing with choice of FX.
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We do that now using existing view groups (1608). Problem of course is that there are 6 aux but only 4 groups. We just name the groups aux1 etc. technically there are 5 groups I guess since none is really a view with all channels.
I'd like to add to your request by suggesting that they add more view groups for the 1608. The dl32 ver already has more and it's all the same software...the options only change based on the hardware choice.
Maybe I wasn't being clear... I understand what view groups are and what they do and that's fine for anyone controlling FOH...
I am specifically talking about the personal monitor mixes for each of the musicians, i.e. their individual AUX channel screens, so when adjusting their individual mixes, they can hide the unused channels they don't need to see or any that are otherwise irrelevant to their personal monitor mix. Right now, the AUX screens for any given channel show ALL the inputs on the mixer at once. Which forces the user to swipe through the screen to find the individual inputs they want to adjust. I'd like to eliminate that additional swiping step for them to quickly get to the channel they need to adjust on the fly.
OR, perhaps I misunderstood and didn't realize that view groups are available under the AUX sends, too... In that case, the entire DL series, including the DL32R still need more view groups.
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Yep, option 2. View groups are global so once you setup and choose a view, that's what you see no matter what output you select. And as you say, the 1608 ver needs more groups. :)
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Hi Mackie Folks,
The Yamaha 01V96 from 2003 has a very useful feature called fader linking.
I can link the Master fader, the Group fader for Center-fills and the Group fader for Delay-fills. When I raise or lower the Master fader, the other faders move as well.
Very simple, works great.
With the Mackie app I can get a similar effect by assigning these three faders to a DCA group, but then I have to have the DCA fader viewable on the screen for overall level changes, which means one less input channel can be seen at a time.
Does anybody have a master list of all these suggestions in an easy to view format?
Might make sense to group like ideas together.
Trying to remember what I read on this long forum post is a challenge.
I do know about Mackie's suggestion list.
Thanks and good health, Weogo
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Use the matrix out for delay and fills , just route the l/r to matrix set delay and or eq , and it will follow your master fader :)
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It all sounds way to complex for me....setting up matrix's and delay mixes. The idea of the 1608 was to have great functional Features while keeping the operation as simple as possible. I like the new improvements and groupings which work great for me. If I wanted a million options and screens I would buy a full blown desk.
Granted, a few more view screens on the 1608 would be wonderful but I can deal with a little scrolling.
Just my opinion, since I only do this 3-5 times a month.
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It all sounds way to complex for me....setting up matrix's and delay mixes. The idea of the 1608 was to have great functional Features while keeping the operation as simple as possible. I like the new improvements and groupings which work great for me. If I wanted a million options and screens I would buy a full blown desk.
Granted, a few more view screens on the 1608 would be wonderful but I can deal with a little scrolling.
Just my opinion, since I only do this 3-5 times a month.
There's no matrix on the 1608, anyway...
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@Rdmitch
It is your choise not to use all the features , but why not use what you have instaed of asking for something it allready can :)
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I like the new features and look forward to many more future enhancements. But....when I laid out my $899.00 for the mixer I did not expect more than originally promised. The added features to date make it that much better and while I gratefully accept these upgrades I in no means would have any gripes if they never provided more than originally promised. If I truly needed these things I would drop $ 4,000 on a mixer not $899.00
I am never going to compare this to a high priced deck, because that's not what it's meant to be. It was never designed to be a Yamaha desk or Midas, or Soundcraft, or DiGiCo. Just a simple to operate, step up from an analog mixer with remote control operability.
Sure, we can ask for more views, RTA, inserts, user defined controls, channel merging, etc. but there is a limit to what I could expect mackie to provide as I'm sure there is a limit to what they can afford to spend on upgrades and development.
Not disagreeing with your premise, just not holding my breath waiting for these things.
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All the 806/1608/DL32 owners and users have different needs. Some use most of all the tools and some don’t. I don’t use half of what’s there on the 1608, including FX. As long the software/hardware continues to meet those needs in any capacity, that’s perfect. Of course, we would all like to see improvements to make our jobs a little bit easier in the long run. We all make the best of what we have. ;)
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Hi Topsoe,
Your suggestion would work except that the Center- and Delay-Fills get a different mix, with more Vox, less Instruments.
I wrote Groups, but actually use post-fade Auxes for these sends, and the Subwoofer send.
RdMitch,
For me, the DL1608 / DL32R interface is quite fast for modestly complicated, fairly fast changing shows.
Definitely not the same as a mixer with faders, but in some cases better.
For instance, I do a concert series in a soft-seat theater with surprisingly bad acoustics, and the only place to put a full mixer is an alcove in the back where the low end just builds and roars.
Mixing with an Ipad out in the hall makes it so much easier and faster to get a good mix.
I came to the DLs from over a decade with the Yamaha 01V96 and then LS9.
Before that, Allen & Heath MixWizards to Midas XL250.
At some point some of the extra complications might start to look useful. : -)
The Behringer X32 overall has more bells and whistles than the DL32R, but I went with the Mackie because it has the features I need, and for the Ipad interface.
When intelligibility and consistent coverage throughout a venue are key requirements, Center-, Side- and Delay-fills often come in to play.
Thanks and good health, Weogo
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I'm with you on that and if I was in a situation that required side fills, delays, and other multi matrix mixes I would not opt for the DL1608 mixer. I would drop the bread on the x32, m32 or other more sophisticated miser. Like yourself I like the portability and iPad interface....that's what drove me to drop the StudioLive mixer.
I live close to 8th day sound and they are one of my customers so I get the opportunity to pry a bit and chat with their operators and programmers on occasion and am always in awe of some of the stuff they understand ( their heading to all DiGiCo).
I use many of the new features regularly and probably spend way too much time writing, rewriting and making
changes to my settings. The fact that I now have (compliments of no cost Mackie upgrades) VCAs, Subgroups, trim adjustments, mute groups, view groups and others make me glad I bought the board. Sure, if new upgrades are introduced I'll jump in on the bandwagon. But would never be upset if they said that's it, no more, we're done. They can and probably will come outwits something like the M-32 soon enough
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I spent yesterday mixing monitors for an outdoor music festival in Kendal, where we had about 15 acts to get through in the day, a mix of bands and solo artists. I had six monitor feeds to look after (four across the front of the stage, one drum fill and another on a small forward platform) and we were using a Yamaha LS9-32, with me using the StageMix app on an iPad. I've used this before, but they have made some changes to it, the best is the RTA overlay you can run under an input or output channel's PEQ, this was extremely helpful in dealing with feedback prevention on the day and especially when you are having to do it on the fly as acts and monitor mixes change. So, still the two things at the top of my list for the DL series and MasterFader are:
- Improved effects
- RTA overlays
Come on Mackie... everyone else is doing them :-)
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Make it simple! I'm sure I'm not the only one who is playing bass and doing the mix as well. The monitor faders are sooo much better in 2.1 , much more logical and faster to get to. No question 3.1 has nice features but not if you're a busy guy. My only big complaint has never changed, the reverbs are just not good. Better monitor EQ would be nice as well and please don't give up on 2.1. Version 3 is just too cumbersome for weekend bands. Remember who your fans are.
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Hi Renoman,
"Better monitor EQ would be nice as well"
I'm curious, what you would like different with the monitor EQ?
Thanks and good health, Weogo
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In 2.1 all you get is the graph, I'd like the other one with the effects as well.
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Hi Renoman,
My confusion arises from two points:
) You ask for simplicity and more features. Seems kinda contradictory : -|
) Aux(monitor) masters for both V2.x and V3.x have:
graphic EQ page
parametric EQ, HPF/LPF page
compression/delay page.
Please clarify as to exactly what you are asking for.
Thanks and good health, Weogo
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It would be nice to see MF 4 released around the same time iOS 9 drops this fall. ;)
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Small ask: I'd like to see which preset (fx, eq) that I'm using at any one time.
Big ask: RTA
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Would like a second PEQ on each channel, dedicated to monitor sends for that channel. Likely cannot do due to amount of processing power this would require. Still, this would really help when doing both FOH and monitors. Currently we have to choose to affect both FOH and monitor with same PEQ or only FOH. I am constantly needing to eq something in monitors and do not need that changing in FOH. I do understand that there are some workarounds for this currently, but it involves using up extra channels and auxes. I also understand that there is a PEQ on each aux, but this alters the entire aux. Anyone else agree or have thoughts?
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Hi Lotb60,
"Would like a second PEQ on each channel,"
I believe that you are correct, this would use a significant amount of processing.
I generally do ok with the same EQ for house and monitors.
What I would like to see is the ability to have compression only on the channel sends to the house mix, not the monitor mix.
What I regularly do is split inputs to two channels.
On the DL1608, with XLR-Y cables, this eats up channels quite fast.
On the DL32R, including the four RETURN channels, you can digitally split 18 analog inputs to 18 house channels and 18 monitor channels.
Good health, Weogo
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More "views" please. A-F on the DL32 aren't quite enough.
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I would agree with that.....but it's still 2 more than I got on the 1608
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I would like to have a third choice for eq on the inputs, a GEQ as on the LR and Aux outputs. not a fan of PEQ. There are a ton of RTA Apps out there to pick out an individual frequency. I would like to be able to turn only that frequency that is feeding back down.
I am considering using the Aux send 1 as my vocal outputs, leaving the channel faders at 0 on the LR output. I am using 2 LD Maui 28MIX speaker systems which would allow me to put the right DL output into one channel and Aux 1 output into the other
please make life easier and copy the GEQ code over to the input channels.
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Hi Ken,
More than twenty years ago, after years of graphic EQs, I worked on my first mixer with fully parametric EQ on each channel, a Souncraft Ghost.
It was like a breath of fresh air blowing in the room.
These days I use the graphic EQ on the Mackie mixers only when a filter happens to be right where I want it frequency-wise, and the filter shape is reasonably useful, and I have other uses for all the parametric filters.
"I would like to be able to turn only that frequency that is feeding back down."
I often work with old time bands, playing in A. With five or more instruments wailing away on A, 440Hz can be an issue, as well as sometimes 220 and 880.
With a graphic EQ I have a choice of pulling down 400Hz or 500 Hz, that is quite wide and impacting other notes around the problem.
With parametric I can go to exactly 440 and put a narrow filter on the Fiddle, Banjo, Mandolin, Guitar, and/or whatever else is causing an issue.
Early digital mixers didn't have graphic EQs because each filter takes so much processing.
Even with the processing Mackies have now, adding 16(or 32) channels of 30-band graphic EQ could actually be quite demanding.
I'm guessing that the more familiar you get with parametric EQs, the less you will appreciate graphic EQs.
Thanks and good health, Weogo
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Maybe I need to revisit the PEQ tutorial. I just need ammo to persuade the old dudes that we can do that. It is very hard to get the guys who have been doing it the old way for so long to buy into my forward thinking (I am 72, but not stuck in the past). As we get older it takes toll on our backs and I have been trying to get our equipment down to a minimum, or at least light. I also play the bass and have moved over from a 200 pound Sunn 880 amp and speaker to Markbass equipment.
Thank you for the help you are giving me.
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https://www.dropbox.com/s/601ju8ioswfcana/2015-10-23%2010.57.48.jpg?dl=0 (https://www.dropbox.com/s/601ju8ioswfcana/2015-10-23%2010.57.48.jpg?dl=0)
like this?
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Hi Ken,
I'm four months shy of sixty, so I guess a young whippersnapper! : -)
Yep, that image shows the kind of filter I'm talking about.
It is surprising, going from graphics to parametric, that where I used to use 8~10db to cut feedback, with the parametric right on the problem frequency I often only need a 4~6db cut.
The narrow filter in your image has little impact on the other frequencies around it.
Something I could learn from you is how to get some of the bands I work with to even consider IEMs!
Carry on sir!
Thanks and good health, Weogo
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Weogo, unreal, I too am four months from turning 60. :)
your posts are a breath of fresh air.
I agree with your post about cutting specific frequencies on a PEQ compared to the graphic which almost never is centered on the offending frequency, but sometimes we get lucky and it's right there but often too wide a bandwidth.
Good health to you!
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What Weogo said! I found out many years ago that a parametric is far less damaging to the sound than a graphic EQ. I would often go into clubs to help "fix' a system that was under-performing, and one look at the graphic would tell me why. Each of those sliders actually takes frequencies from either side, and as you filter more and more the whole thing turns into a mess. I have my Classic set up so that the parametric EQ's come up first, and on the DL these EQ's are fantastic.
Here is a great graphic that shows how uneven and less natural sounding a graphic EQ is. Note the "waviness" of the bass frequencies that are being boosted by the graphic. you get the same results when cutting as well. The parametric on the other hand, is doing exactly what the user wants:
https://www.minidsp.com/applications/dsp-basics/peq-vs-graphic-eq
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I would think that the Graphic EQ should come into play when using a RTA to set the output flat for the speakers. I can clearly see where the PEQ can make an immediate difference.
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Hello friends,
I would like to thank all the knowledge I've learned here, and ask Messrs some votes in USERVOICE of mackie so they can improve several features that the time ordered ...
Wave generator -
Spectrum analyzer - RTA
List of tracks recorded on the DL1608 for playback without itunes
Gate
Copy and paste channel settings
Option 2 Reverb or a third machine effects
De-esser
Among others
Leave your vote
http://mackie.uservoice.com/forums/97035-dl-series/
Thank you.
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Neither works well unless you can identify the offending frequency.
That's where my biggest problem is, it sometimes takes a while for me to find
the problem since it can be on any of many different channels
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Since I installed the rta on my phone it's Easter to id the frequency that's offending
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I put the rta on my phone also, and can often see a spike, but what I see may not necessarily
be a spike of feedback. It also doesn't help much in identifying which of 16 channels has the problem.
I can adjust the frequency on the main eq, but would rather just eq it on the channel that has the problem.
Wish I had a magic program that would flash the channel and hz. that fed back. I never have a chance to ring out the system prior to start time, and rarely even do a sound check. Usually it's line test, and roll.
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I know what you mean Hardly ever get the time that I need
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It's a tough life.
When I try to use the drive rack or ring out the system the people in the club just totally freak out.
Even when I warn them it's coming and it will only take a few moments of time.
It really is rare I have any feedback issues, all IEMs on stage and I use the same 6-8 presets regularly. Big problem is a new room or when I'm trying to clean up vocals. As singers voices get tired, they sometimes don't project enough and I'm riding the faders a bit to compensate..... Or, I'm bored and just playing around with effects and eq.
Funny thing is I have actually fallen asleep while mixing in the wee hours of the night. Tip, when your real tired keep your fingers OFF the faders.
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Funny thing is I have actually fallen asleep while mixing in the wee hours of the night. Tip, when your real tired keep your fingers OFF the faders.
I've had that happen, too. My assistant told me that I fell asleep standing up (which I knew), but that I kept right on mixing, including song-specific effects. That only happened once, and I never let it happen again.
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Neither works well unless you can identify the offending frequency.
That's where my biggest problem is, it sometimes takes a while for me to find
the problem since it can be on any of many different channels
I've got an app on my iphone called HZ Detector. It will identify the exact frequency. There is probably an Android version or similar app.
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I've got an app on my iphone called HZ Detector. It will identify the exact frequency. There is probably an Android version or similar app.
Thanks for the tip. I just checked, and it's only available for iPhone.
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Hi Michael,
I too have Hz.
Since I have an Iphone, I was able to install the app.
Then load it to Itunes, and from there load it to the Ipads.
Mostly I use the StudioSixDigital apps.
Thanks and good health, Weogo
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I have it on my iPhone. Might be better not to put it on the iPad then you can see the hz on the phone and make the adjustment on the pad without switching apps.
I only wish it would tell me which mic was doing it too, since it could be one of sixteen. 🎶
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i like that one better than the AK Lite since you can capture the freq
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If I have the same app, it doesn't do much other then show the frequency it "hears". There are no instructions or options to it.
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It all seems to have gone quite with regards to what might be coming next or if indeed it is coming?! Just looking over uservoice there are a few standout features that have been there for a while including the RTA overlays on the output EQ, copy and pasting of channels, and an update of the effects. BenO, I don't suppose you can infer one way or the other if we might see a pre-Christmas update?
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Well here is some history. MF 2.0 released in Nov. 2013. MF 3.0 released in Nov. 2014. MF 4.0 released Nov. 201x??
Keep hoping, anytime now. :)
Lest we forget the first usable MF V1.1 October 2012. Time flies when your having fun. :)
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Good day.
If the RTA spectrum analyzer is visible when using the equilizador the time to correct the feedback will almost zero, without being necessary to use another device and a third party software.
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Like the RTA suggestion. I'm hoping for split screen functionality on the ipad Pro. There are lots of times that I wanted to be able to look at two lines of 8 channels without having to scroll sideways.
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Beat to the punch once more as Behringer releases X-Air Edit V1.3. Come on Mackie MF4.0 Nov. 2015.
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I wouldn't count on nov. of this year. I think if this was in the works for this year at all we would have heard
some rumblings about it already and possibly some beta test requested
Hope I'm wrong....but doubt it.
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If the MF were only tied to the DL1608 I could see a EOL (end of life) issue since the DL1608 has been around for over 3 years. The DL32 has only been around for a year. Hopefully there is some life left in it. Maybe they're all tied up with their boom box. ;D
P.S. their Beta test was a joke the last time round, best not to have one again.
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Have we done "double tap to zero fader" as in Reaper, etc? At the minute I have sections of the band on groups and I key in "+2" to feature (ie, during a solo) and then key "0" to reset the balance. "DTTZF" would cut the process in half.
Actually, if you could find a way to incorporate "toggle +2/reset to 0" that 'd be even better.
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my rig:
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10203723056436030&set=a.1132257325744.17098.1806613930&type=3 (https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10203723056436030&set=a.1132257325744.17098.1806613930&type=3)
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V4 Released! :)
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Master/My Fader V5 Wants and Speculation
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