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Unofficial Mackie User Forums => DL1608/DL806/DL32R/ProDX Mixers => Topic started by: Wynnd on November 18, 2014, 05:12:49 PM
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How are you using features in Master Fader 3.x?
I'll start:
Using VCA 1 as a volume master on my vocalists.
Using VCA 2 for the rhythm section.
Color coded the channels to the VCA, it's easy to see what ties to it. When choosing VCA1 in the view, you see only the channels tied to it.
I was ready to use groups for this, but didn't know what VCAs were and when I researched them, the advantages became obvious. VCA will control the output of the channel which affects any effects on that channel too. Groups won't do that. I'm not sure when to use groups now.
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How are you using features in Master Fader 3.x?
I'll start:
Using VCA 1 as a volume master on my vocalists.
Using VCA 2 for the rhythm section.
Color coded the channels to the VCA, it's easy to see what ties to it. When choosing VCA1 in the view, you see only the channels tied to it.
I was ready to use groups for this, but didn't know what VCAs were and when I researched them, the advantages became obvious. VCA will control the output of the channel which affects any effects on that channel too. Groups won't do that. I'm not sure when to use groups now.
Your are brave! Kudos to you. I don't even want to go there yet :eek: Probably get there eventually. ;)
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Go Wynn! :)
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I tryed with vca1 is all the input channels
Vca 2 all the groupsfaders
On groups i put the compressors
Gives a nice effect, when vca1 goes up everyting goes in to compression
Lowering vca2 keeps the level at the output
Works great
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creative! Wonder if that would help with any of my issues. (All the big issues have addressed long ago.) Gotta think about that.
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All I can say is "Time to play" before next gig.
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To play or not to play :-\
I am busting try out MF 3 but have two big gigs this coming weekend. So I think I am just going have to wait to update. :(
Good on you Wynn for jumping right in.
Cheers
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Right now it looks like I won't have any sound gigs or music gigs before next year. I figure I could really screw things up and recover. The next thing I actually have scheduled is a senior's variety show next May. Something is likely to pop up someplace along the way. (Hopefully before the end of this year.)
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It runs great. I've been using it for a while ;)
Hasn't crashed, no "white noise", stays connected to wifi.
Digital trim applied to the iPad channel handiest feature so far.
Haven't had to use VCAs or Subgroups yet.
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Here is a way to use groups and VCA's together. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMMmR1u0CFk
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Digital trim applied to the iPad channel handiest feature so far.
I just realized a secondary use of the digital trim would be in situations where you get to sound-check multiple bands, it can be used just like an actual digital gain control to save different incoming levels for each act. So, set the manual gains a lower than usual level when you start out & use the trim to set the difference between acts.
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So, set the manual gains a lower than usual level when you start out & use the trim to set the difference between acts.
Same same when leaving the mixer onstage and working without a snake. Modern gear has low enough noise floors and enough bit depth headroom that you can leave the trims set low. Before working with the DL1608 and the QSC Touchmix, I was bemoaning the lack of remote control preamps. I still bemoan the lack of recallable preamps, but with digital trim the analog trims turn out to not be a big deal.
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Maybe I haven't tapped enough settings yet, but is there a way to assign a default mix view when selecting an output? I have set up three mix views, one for the main mix, one for my monitor mixes and one for my aux-fed subwoofer so I only have to scroll through the appropriate inputs for that output. It'd be great if each time I picked an output, the assigned ABCD view defaulted. It's only two touches to get there, sure, but when mixing while playing, two extra touches takes a long time. The idea of the Mix Views is to SAVE time...
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I'm still trying to wrap my head around the differences from VCA to subgroups.
The videos are not real clear, but it seems like the subgroup master lowers volume only so
Any residual fx are still present. On a vca group it's like turning the trim/gain down so anything
On the channel including fx get reduced. Is that the difference ,or am I realing missing something
Else?
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VCAs are like a remote control of each individual channel fader, assigned to the VCA. A group is a master fader for all the channels assigned to the group. That's how I understood it, does that help?
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It looks like you can put the output of a subgroup to an fx so the proper way to run fx on something not directly routed to the L&R is to NOT have the individual channels that are in that group turned up in the fx but to turn up the subgroup in the fx so that the fx "tracks" the subgroup's master.
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I was thinking the same thing, but need to wait until a rehearsal to test it out in action.
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I set up a scene using vca's instead of subgroups and will try to make a comparison.
I think I'm understanding it better as it more relates to how the fx are handled during the fade.
I was more concerned that if the VCA fade dropped the entire input signal it would also decrease
The monitor sends which I need to avoid. I'll know how it functions better after I test it tomorrow.
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If I understand correctly, Pre-fader monitor sends should be unaffected. Post-fader monitor sends will go down with the VCA controlling the channel fader. Just one more thing to test. (My mixer and PA is in storage and it's too cold to be testing there.)
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The difference between VCA's and Subgroups are the VCA's are nothing more than remotely controlling the channel faders - the advantage being as you lower the VCA the send to post-fed auxes are also lowered, so the effects sends remain with the proper ratio to the main fader's level.
A subgroup is actually passing audio through it. This has the ability to assign a compressor to the subgroup so that as an example if all of the drums went through the subgroup together the compressor worked on all of the audio passing through that subgroup equally. The downside to a subgroup is if you mute or turn the subgroup all the way down the feeds/levels going to the post-fader auxes continue to feed so if you had as an example a plate reverb on the drums that level would remain unchanged. The fix? Make sure that same effect is not feeding the LR, make it feed to the sub group so it's controlled by the subgroup fader as well.
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Make sure that same effect is not feeding the LR, make it feed to the sub group so it's controlled by the subgroup fader as well.
Not terribly practical when we only have one reverb :( .
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I'm still trying to wrap my head around the differences from VCA to subgroups.
The videos are not real clear, but it seems like the subgroup master lowers volume only so
Any residual fx are still present. On a vca group it's like turning the trim/gain down so anything
On the channel including fx get reduced. Is that the difference ,or am I realing missing something
Else?
A VCA Group fader controls the channel fader(s) so it affects the signal like if you turned the fader up/down and there is no signal flowing through a VCA it is only a remote control, there is no change in routing of the signal.
A Audio Group is summing the signal (like a master) and you can proces the audio ie compressor or eq , the signal is flowing through the group and has to be routed to the master , if you want to you can route a channel to both group and master and compres the group ie parallel compression
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Not terribly practical when we only have one reverb :( .
I'm not sure I follow your statement? If you had the drums feeding a plate reverb you could put the drums and the reverb into a sub group.
Or the delay and vocals into a sub group.
I agree a third reverb would be nice, one for drums, another for vocals or at least make the delay switchable so you have two reverbs and no delay. At least with the delay switchable you could have reverb for songs that need them and delay for the effect when you need it and just switch to it.
Just because we don't currently have 3 or 4 effects doesn't make the use of the subgroup less functional.
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On most mixers, the internal effects go straight to the output. Mackie gave us tools that allow greater choices. And after some consideration, the VCAs aren't as important as they might be on some mixers. I'm pretty sure that I'll be using them all. (I missed groups on my MixWiz. Didn't expect them to show up on the DL)
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I only used groups on my old 1608 to do weird things like run an external fx fed back into an aux input. On the MixWiz I never missed them at all. I can see them becoming useful on a larger mixer but for a measly 16 channels not-so-much :P . As you raise and lower the drum group (for instance) the individual mics get out-of-balance as the direct sound doesn't change - you might even have the snare off at lower volumes for instance.
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Running the same song from an iPod thru 2 channels with reverb and delay turned on I tried to see if there was any noticible difference. Routed to subgroup 1 and to vca1 I noticed no difference at all.
When the fader (either vca 1 or subgroup 1) were reduced the fx dropped equally.
While there may be other subtle differences, it appears for my purpose either would work fine.
Maybe it's because Mackie set up the option for post fade EQ .
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if the fx send is post fade the DCA will affect both the dry and fx equally (assuming the fx master send or return is NOT in the DCA). If the fx is returned to the same group as the dry channel the group fader will also affect both equally as the group fader is downstream of both the channel fader and the fx return. Each, basically, is achieving the same effect but at different places in the signal path. There would be subtle differences with dynamics processors if used as send fx but as they are usually used insert/pre fade anyway it should not be an issue.
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Sam your X32 training is starting to show, but you are exactly right calling Mackie's "VCA" a DCA cause that's what it is. These are no more "voltage control amplifiers" than the man in the moon. ;D Johnny come lately Mackie haven't earned the right to change 20 yrs. of audio technology to suit their marketing needs. If someone is interested here is a history of VCA's from some of the early developers.
http://www.thatcorp.com/History_of_VCAs.shtml Does any of this remotely resemble what Mackie implemented??
They could also adopt Midas's VCA definition " Variable Control Association". Since VCA is not in Mackie's glossary maybe they're not sure what they've done. One thing they haven't done is update the block diagram on the DL1608, DL806 to reflect MF 3.0 changes. My advise to anyone here commenting on what is and isn't, RTFM at least twice. Of course it would help if the info was correct. Don't get me wrong this manual is leaps and bounds above the prior doc's such as the 1604 series. Interesting is the total lack of any mention of the well debated Channel Trim control and recall. I guess it's not important to them. I may have to agree with them on this but it should still be in the manual explaining it's intended use. I won't be getting to this for at least another 2 weeks because of tests that require MF 2.1.1. so all my info on MF 3.0 is from the manual and posts here.
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Digital trim addressed on page 30 of the reference guide. Didn't need to RTFM to find that out.
Does it REALLY matter if it's called a DCA or VCA in this device?
We get the idea what it's trying to achieve, no "X32 training" necessary.
Does Mackie use VCA terminology because of the manual gain pots on the DL?
Has Mackie stated what VCA stands for in this product? Genuine question, I'm too busy actually using the mixer to "RTFM" twice.
Very costless accessory?
Virtual control amp?
Variable cost analysis?
Very contracted anus?
Vicious critical attack?
Verbal contract applies?
Voltage controlled amp?
Please, enough of the nit-picking!
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No I don't suppose it really does matter what it's called ;)
I called it a DCA 'cos that's what it is (X32 training aside WK :laugh:)
Very contracted anus?
ROTFL
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No I don't suppose it really does matter what it's called ;)
I called it a DCA 'cos that's what it is (X32 training aside WK :laugh:)
Very contracted anus?
ROTFL.... we've all done gigs with those
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LOL, sorry Sam, I need to relax a little ;)
Tip I once got:
Never take laxatives and sleeping pills at the same time :eek:
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:lol:
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"The screen shots to the left display the default settings of the digital trim...0.0 dB for those counting."
I'm in awe of that explanation. :lol: :lol: :lol:
There's an old saying "One man's junk is another man's treasure" that applies here.
Robo erectile dysfunction, short term memory loss all are symptoms of the JL pandemic, I'd have it looked at if I were you. :)
Willie Nelson almost had it right for this "In the Gutter again"
Cheers
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LOL, sorry Sam, I need to relax a little ;)
Tip I once got:
Never take laxatives and sleeping pills at the same time :eek:
Robbo
This one's for you and all us frustrated digital mixer users! ;) Just clik on it to see a bigger image.
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"The screen shots to the left display the default settings of the digital trim...0.0 dB for those counting."
I'm in awe of that explanation. :lol: :lol: :lol:
There's an old saying "One man's junk is another man's treasure" that applies here.
Robo erectile dysfunction, short term memory loss all are symptoms of the JL pandemic, I'd have it looked at if I were you. :)
Willie Nelson almost had it right for this "In the Gutter again"
Cheers
On the subject of the pandemic, do you ever cross paths with him over at "Behringersville"? :police:
I wonder is he as rude over there....?
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Digital trim addressed on page 30 of the reference guide. Didn't need to RTFM to find that out.
Does it REALLY matter if it's called a DCA or VCA in this device?
We get the idea what it's trying to achieve, no "X32 training" necessary.
reference guide ? what reference guide
on my version of MF3 when I select the reference guide I get a link to the DL32r hardware guide only...nothing on MF3
if you have a link to the MF3 guide could you please post it here
by the way, with regards to VCA versus sub groups...VCA or DCA as they should be called, are only a volume control, so you can assign a stereo pair to them without losing the stereo image or having to pair the DCA's. If you assign a stereo pair to a sub group you have to pair 2 subgroups to maintain the stereo image.
Keggles
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"The screen shots to the left display the default settings of the digital trim...0.0 dB for those counting."
I'm in awe of that explanation. :lol: :lol: :lol:
There's an old saying "One man's junk is another man's treasure" that applies here.
Robo erectile dysfunction, short term memory loss all are symptoms of the JL pandemic, I'd have it looked at if I were you. :)
Willie Nelson almost had it right for this "In the Gutter again"
Cheers
On the subject of the pandemic, do you ever cross paths with him over at "Behringersville"? :police:
I wonder is he as rude over there....?
Actually there's a different persona not sure it's him, but if he ever tried that there he'd be gone. I'm not very active there either but do visit some times. There is life beyond forums. :)
Peace.
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Digital trim addressed on page 30 of the reference guide. Didn't need to RTFM to find that out.
Does it REALLY matter if it's called a DCA or VCA in this device?
We get the idea what it's trying to achieve, no "X32 training" necessary.
reference guide ? what reference guide
on my version of MF3 when I select the reference guide I get a link to the DL32r hardware guide only...nothing on MF3
if you have a link to the MF3 guide could you please post it here
by the way, with regards to VCA versus sub groups...VCA or DCA as they should be called, are only a volume control, so you can assign a stereo pair to them without losing the stereo image or having to pair the DCA's. If you assign a stereo pair to a sub group you have to pair 2 subgroups to maintain the stereo image.
Keggles
Docs can be found here http://www.mackie.com/products/dlseries/specs/
DL1608 MF3 specific is under (Control Apps) the old one MF2 is labeled (Hardware), don't ask. :)
MF 3.0 specific is here http://www.mackie.com/products/dlseries/downloads/manuals/Reference%20Guide%20%28Control%20Apps%29.pdf
Happy reading
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"The screen shots to the left display the default settings of the digital trim...0.0 dB for those counting."
I'm in awe of that explanation. :lol: :lol: :lol:
There's an old saying "One man's junk is another man's treasure" that applies here.
Robo erectile dysfunction, short term memory loss all are symptoms of the JL pandemic, I'd have it looked at if I were you. :)
Willie Nelson almost had it right for this "In the Gutter again"
Cheers
On the subject of the pandemic, do you ever cross paths with him over at "Behringersville"? :police:
I wonder is he as rude over there....?
Actually there's a different persona not sure it's him, but if he ever tried that there he'd be gone. I'm not very active there either but do visit some times. There is life beyond forums. :)
Peace.
It's our old friend and sparring partner JL all right http://forum.behringer.com/showthread.php?5146-And-the-big-September-announcement-is/page13 (http://forum.behringer.com/showthread.php?5146-And-the-big-September-announcement-is/page13) :lol:
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"The screen shots to the left display the default settings of the digital trim...0.0 dB for those counting."
I'm in awe of that explanation. :lol: :lol: :lol:
There's an old saying "One man's junk is another man's treasure" that applies here.
Robo erectile dysfunction, short term memory loss all are symptoms of the JL pandemic, I'd have it looked at if I were you. :)
Willie Nelson almost had it right for this "In the Gutter again"
Cheers
On the subject of the pandemic, do you ever cross paths with him over at "Behringersville"? :police:
I wonder is he as rude over there....?
Actually there's a different persona not sure it's him, but if he ever tried that there he'd be gone. I'm not very active there either but do visit some times. There is life beyond forums. :)
Peace.
It's our old friend and sparring partner JL all right http://forum.behringer.com/showthread.php?5146-And-the-big-September-announcement-is/page13 (http://forum.behringer.com/showthread.php?5146-And-the-big-September-announcement-is/page13) :lol:
Let's be positive now :angel: It does make for some lively conversations and witty repartee now and then. ::) :-X ;)
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With as often as MicroSoft changes the names of things, nearly every new OS, we really ought to get over worrying about whether it should be DCA, VCA or BFH. (Always liked the last one. It stands there with RCH. Wonder if that one ever made one of the acronym translation pages on the web.) In my mind the VCA is an addition that these groups made unnecessary. But hey, I'll take a functional unnecessary feature over missing ones any day. Mackie did a lot of good in this upgrade, and they need our thanks.
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So here's a scenario. My first 5 channels for Kepi's 5-piece are vocal channels. She is on CH 1 and the others are 4 male backup vocalists (CH 2-5) Certain tunes the lead vocals may change to the guitarist, keyboardist, bassist or drummer. Creating a sub group for the backup vocals doesn't make sense since they are also lead vocalists at different time of the gig. So what would be a "Best Practice"? Also, vocalists are typically EQ'd a bit different (not all the time), so if I were to add them to a sub group, would it make sense to leave the EQ flat for the sub group and leave their EQ presets the way they are?
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With as often as MicroSoft changes the names of things, nearly every new OS, we really ought to get over worrying about whether it should be DCA, VCA or BFH. (Always liked the last one. It stands there with RCH. Wonder if that one ever made one of the acronym translation pages on the web.) In my mind the VCA is an addition that these groups made unnecessary. But hey, I'll take a functional unnecessary feature over missing ones any day. Mackie did a lot of good in this upgrade, and they need our thanks.
LOL, got to love acronyms :). Mackie does deserve credit, but they are a marketing engine like all the others. Couldn't release the DL32R without MF 3.0. Also, they are "behind the 8 ball" in digital mixers. Behringer IMHO is leader of the pack based on features and functionality. Their XR18 is $200 USD cheaper than the DL1608, provides multitrack recording and 6 AUX sends, and if I'm going to spend 2K, I would probably put it toward to X32 versus the DL32R. Don't get me wrong, Mackie has made a push to be more competitive in the digital arena, but has a ways to go.
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"Behringer IMHO is leader of the pack"
Erm, the XR series still doesn' t exist!
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"The screen shots to the left display the default settings of the digital trim...0.0 dB for those counting."
I'm in awe of that explanation. :lol: :lol: :lol:
There's an old saying "One man's junk is another man's treasure" that applies here.
Robo erectile dysfunction, short term memory loss all are symptoms of the JL pandemic, I'd have it looked at if I were you. :)
Willie Nelson almost had it right for this "In the Gutter again"
Cheers
On the subject of the pandemic, do you ever cross paths with him over at "Behringersville"? :police:
I wonder is he as rude over there....?
Actually there's a different persona not sure it's him, but if he ever tried that there he'd be gone. I'm not very active there either but do visit some times. There is life beyond forums. :)
Peace.
It's our old friend and sparring partner JL all right http://forum.behringer.com/showthread.php?5146-And-the-big-September-announcement-is/page13 (http://forum.behringer.com/showthread.php?5146-And-the-big-September-announcement-is/page13) :lol:
Let's be positive now :angel: It does make for some lively conversations and witty repartee now and then. ::) :-X ;)
31st September. Classic :lol:
There's another guy on there with a very similar name but a very different online persona.....
I'll put my tin hat back on and say "the mythical X16/18" and "vapourware" in the same sentence.
It's certainly going to have had plenty of time spent on it before it comes to market ::)
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So here's a scenario. My first 5 channels for Kepi's 5-piece are vocal channels. She is on CH 1 and the others are 4 male backup vocalists (CH 2-5) Certain tunes the lead vocals may change to the guitarist, keyboardist, bassist or drummer. Creating a sub group for the backup vocals doesn't make sense since they are also lead vocalists at different time of the gig. So what would be a "Best Practice"? Also, vocalists are typically EQ'd a bit different (not all the time), so if I were to add them to a sub group, would it make sense to leave the EQ flat for the sub group and leave their EQ presets the way they are?
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OK a few assumptions first. You have 5 leads/backups but the lead switch is not in the song but for individual songs. The mics aren't switched. So eq's and dynamics shouldn't vary singing lead vs backup so channel settings are good to go.Of course you can still fiddle with individual channels as needed. Time for snapshots 5 to be exact using DCA's one for lead one for backups. So as long as you get the right snapshot loaded DCA1 is always your lead and DCA2 are your backup singers. You can now balance the two without worrying about who's where. Two more DCA's for instruments, 8 would have been better.
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With as often as MicroSoft changes the names of things, nearly every new OS, we really ought to get over worrying about whether it should be DCA, VCA or BFH. (Always liked the last one. It stands there with RCH. Wonder if that one ever made one of the acronym translation pages on the web.) In my mind the VCA is an addition that these groups made unnecessary. But hey, I'll take a functional unnecessary feature over missing ones any day. Mackie did a lot of good in this upgrade, and they need our thanks.
Hey have a shot of HCL or was that H2O on me. Well it won't matter anyway until you swallow it. ;D You're right it won't matter for those who don't know the difference anyway, ignorance is bliss.
Hey if you tweak that thingamajig and route it to the whatchamacallit you get a neat sound. :lol: Sorry I keep forgetting the target market for this, that flushing sound is our FOH guy he can mix from anywhere. :)
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"Behringer IMHO is leader of the pack"
Erm, the XR series still doesn' t exist!
You are correct. Behringer does advertise vaporware products well in advance of availability. Over the years I'm tired of spending $$$. I'm going to let someone else be the guinea pig on the DL32R first. I will have to debate in the 2nd QTR of 2015 whether I want to spend the 2K on the Mackie or if the XR is available or maybe even the X32. Digital mixers are becoming a very competitive field. Bill (WK154) have had many conversations regarding being a little more conservative buying equipment. Some of you are complaining about MF 3.0 on the older iPad 3's. So the code is now dictating your hardware (iPad). So all of us have to run out and purchase at least an iPad 4th gen or better? I don't think so. I would love to see how My Fader 3.0 performs on an iPhone 4 or 5. We will see. I want to see what Mackie does with MF 4.0, which should be out be 2nd QTR 2015. I will also check both booths out at the NAMM show.
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So here's a scenario. My first 5 channels for Kepi's 5-piece are vocal channels. She is on CH 1 and the others are 4 male backup vocalists (CH 2-5) Certain tunes the lead vocals may change to the guitarist, keyboardist, bassist or drummer. Creating a sub group for the backup vocals doesn't make sense since they are also lead vocalists at different time of the gig. So what would be a "Best Practice"? Also, vocalists are typically EQ'd a bit different (not all the time), so if I were to add them to a sub group, would it make sense to leave the EQ flat for the sub group and leave their EQ presets the way they are?
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OK a few assumptions first. You have 5 leads/backups but the lead switch is not in the song but for individual songs. The mics aren't switched. So eq's and dynamics shouldn't vary singing lead vs backup so channel settings are good to go.Of course you can still fiddle with individual channels as needed. Time for snapshots 5 to be exact using DCA's one for lead one for backups. So as long as you get the right snapshot loaded DCA1 is always your lead and DCA2 are your backup singers. You can now balance the two without worrying about who's where. Two more DCA's for instruments, 8 would have been better.
Bill, the lead switch also can be in the song if Kepi and let's say Anthony (Guitarist) are trading off lead vocal parts. That doesn't happen a lot. Even if I create a DCA1 (Lead), and DCA2 (Backup), I would still have to go in and assign the lead to non-lead channel to DCA2 and the non-lead to lead channel to DCA1, correct? IMHO, too much work.
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So here's a scenario. My first 5 channels for Kepi's 5-piece are vocal channels. She is on CH 1 and the others are 4 male backup vocalists (CH 2-5) Certain tunes the lead vocals may change to the guitarist, keyboardist, bassist or drummer. Creating a sub group for the backup vocals doesn't make sense since they are also lead vocalists at different time of the gig. So what would be a "Best Practice"? Also, vocalists are typically EQ'd a bit different (not all the time), so if I were to add them to a sub group, would it make sense to leave the EQ flat for the sub group and leave their EQ presets the way they are?
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OK a few assumptions first. You have 5 leads/backups but the lead switch is not in the song but for individual songs. The mics aren't switched. So eq's and dynamics shouldn't vary singing lead vs backup so channel settings are good to go.Of course you can still fiddle with individual channels as needed. Time for snapshots 5 to be exact using DCA's one for lead one for backups. So as long as you get the right snapshot loaded DCA1 is always your lead and DCA2 are your backup singers. You can now balance the two without worrying about who's where. Two more DCA's for instruments, 8 would have been better.
Bill, the lead switch also can be in the song if Kepi and let's say Anthony (Guitarist) are trading off lead vocal parts. That doesn't happen a lot. Even if I create a DCA1 (Lead), and DCA2 (Backup), I would still have to go in and assign the lead to non-lead channel to DCA2 and the non-lead to lead channel to DCA1, correct? IMHO, too much work.
OK 6 snapshots one with dual leads beats 5 individual faders. If you're gonna tell me all permutations and combinations it's back to individual faders.
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"Behringer IMHO is leader of the pack"
Erm, the XR series still doesn' t exist!
You are correct. Behringer does advertise vaporware products well in advance of availability. Over the years I'm tired of spending $$$. I'm going to let someone else be the guinea pig on the DL32R first. I will have to debate in the 2nd QTR of 2015 whether I want to spend the 2K on the Mackie or if the XR is available or maybe even the X32. Digital mixers are becoming a very competitive field. Bill (WK154) have had many conversations regarding being a little more conservative buying equipment. Some of you are complaining about MF 3.0 on the older iPad 3's. So the code is now dictating your hardware (iPad). So all of us have to run out and purchase at least an iPad 4th gen or better? I don't think so. I would love to see how My Fader 3.0 performs on an iPhone 4 or 5. We will see. I want to see what Mackie does with MF 4.0, which should be out be 2nd QTR 2015. I will also check both booths out at the NAMM show.
My lowly iPad minis are having no problems at all with MF3.0.
Doesn't it have the same processor as the iPad 2?
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the DL32R is running absolutely rock solid here and no issues whatsoever with Master Fader 3.0 on the new unit.
Using an iPad 4 and two iPad mini version 3.
I am the guinea pig
and loving this new mixer!
time marches on for those who wait for Beh....
(http://www.equineaddicts.com/prodimages/mountain-shirts/103784-1_giant.jpg)
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Wait a minute... That's what I look like too, especially when I DJ for Elementary school dances.
Love the picture! :thu:
I'm so glad that everything is running smooth for you. :) 8)
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Hey Dan can you hook the IPad to the USB port as a hardwire option?
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The ipad3 has a different processor than the ipad 2. Aside from the resolution improving, the core processor was changed with that generation.
My guess it that on the minis since the series is fairly new the processor is the better one.
Since I have the older version (Gen2) I am going to swap with my wife next week and try her Gen. 3 ipad. With the faster processor and better
resolution it may help my problem with the choppy operation.
On the positive side, I ran the V-3 last night with no issues at all, I was cautious to move sliders slow and carefully.
I usually leave 2 hours for set up, sound check and final adjustments and it took no longer than my usual time. It was
a small venue and I did not bring subs or bother to run the drive rack set up. Just a few QSC's and 3 monitor mixes.
All in all, as long as I remembered to think before acting and didn't try to get ahead of myself all went smooth. Like others,
I spent time in advance with the program, test ran the system and had preprogrammed the show in advance in case I ran
short on time.
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DpDan love that Pic, reminds me of the Mackie marketing dude BenO. "What me worry" (Alfred E. Neuman). Lots of luck with your new acquisition. Would love to know about internals (Pics). Not about to buy one just for that, but someone will.
"time marches on for those who wait for Beh...."
Not sure what you meant by Beh... Mack.. would have been more likely. I've had my X32 now for over a year and you just got your DL32R. :)
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Hi WK,
I had a guinea pig when I was little and loved that little guy so much...
We would open the lettuce drawer in the fridge and he would squeal :)
wee! wee! wee!
He was going to be getting a carrot or celery and boy he knew it!
"wait for Beh!"
was my sarcastic stab at Behringer, I know a ton of people that like their Behringer's products and that's good, but I have just seen way too many small issues that are all based around poor wave soldering.
I saw a guy on youtube showing his X32 that had a multi-color L.E.D. for the scribble strip that was not displaying certain colors, and he said he thought it would be a simple solder connection and sure enough..
I sat there and watched that video and shook my head as he opened the mixer up (under warranty) and soldered the L.E.D and then it worked. I would be so ticked off if this happened to my DL32R or Allen & Heath Qu24.
Dan
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Yup saw that same video and it served as a good tour through the internals. :) Now we need a DL32R with a similar problem so we can get a look at what's under the hood. ;D Ready to pop the hood?
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I am not afraid to do that, but I am not going to :)
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Hey Dan,
Made any recordings yet with the 32?
On the other point......at least you didn't have to wait 2years+ for your 32r. Announced just a few months ago and there it is in your possession.
There was quite a long time between the announcement of the x32 and it materalizing.
I never considered replacing my dl with an x anything but the smallest of the xr series got me interested, because it should be cheap, as in the past. Potentially not a lot of money to lose. Perhaps a handy spare mixer?
If it's going to take as long from announcement to delivery it might be quite some time before it ever appears.
Just finished another weekend with the DL.
It hasn't been used every night or every weekend exclusively but it's been available and reliable for me for over two years. It's hard to believe not one single x16/18 has been sold yet considering the hype. Obviously not as easy to make such a device after all. So well done Mackie for promising and delivering. Not too shabby at all👍😉
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you got guts, i would not want to open up a new unit still under warranty.
I am holding off buying a new unit for a while. I never spend money on gear that I dont make using it.
This year was a new (used) van so I could stop pulling a trailer. I'll just hand with the DL1608 for a while until I see what next year offers.
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I think I found another benefit of VCA vs. subgroups.
If I put all my string instruments to a subgroup, while I can control the group volume I can't pan an individual guitar. I have to go the subgroup master and pan from there, which then pans ALL the instruments assigned to the group.
If I assign the same items to a VCA group I can still pan the individual instruments on their channels. The vca
Group master doesn't even have a pan control.
I think the VCA's work well for me so I set one for vox, one for drums, one for other instruments and the last one
For all my monitors as a master monitor fader.
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Rdmitch, think of the VCA as one fader that is a remote control for all the faders assigned to it.
A VCA does not ever have audio in it's "circuit",.... it is not a volume fader but rather a remote control. Proof of this is that there is no EQ, compression, gating or any other type of audio processing in a VCA.
VCA is an abbreviation for "Voltage Controlled Amplifier" Ultimately, on a digital mixer it acts the same, but should really be called a DCA "Digitally Controlled Amplifier". That of course is just my opinion. :)
robbocurry, I have made some recordings with the hard drive and will be making another recording this coming Saturday night with Digital Performer on my Mac laptop.
The hard drive recording is really disappointing in that all 24 channels are recorded to a single stereo "wave" file that is commonly called a "multichannel wave.
I never knew anything of the sort existed. After the files are brought into the computer for mixing each individual wave file needs to be converted to individual mono audio files as is sommon in multi-track recording/mixing. A free downloadable piece of software made by Sound Devices called Wave Agent does the job of converting the single stereo wave file to all 24 mono channels and does a beautifully though.
It is disappointing to me because approximately every nine minutes or so a new multi-channel wave file is created. When importing these into a DAW for mixing, it is up to us to line up all these files and splice them together and without any tolerance of error on our part otherwise we loose the absolutle sync "IF"we plan to use this with camera footage. I did an experiment of about fifteen minutes and excellent sync was the end result. I was pleaed but if I ever need to make another multi-track recordin with the DL 32R it wil absolutely be with the Mac laptop and Digitial Performer,.... when I am done at the end of the recording I hit stop, save and shut it down. When I return back at the studio I open the DP project and it is ready to start mixing, no splicing of all these tracks, and no time at all spent converting.
I will post a small portion of the video here shortly.
The Mackie DL32R did do what was advertised, it made a flawless multi-track recording that sounds wonderful :)
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It is disappointing to me because approximately every nine minutes or so a new multi-channel wave file is created. When importing these into a DAW for mixing, it is up to us to line up all these files and splice them together and without any tolerance of error on our part otherwise we loose the absolutle sync "IF"we plan to use this with camera footage. I did an experiment of about fifteen minutes and excellent sync was the end result. I was pleaed but if I ever need to make another multi-track recordin with the DL 32R it wil absolutely be with the Mac laptop and Digitial Performer,.... when I am done at the end of the recording I hit stop, save and shut it down. When I return back at the studio I open the DP project and it is ready to start mixing, no splicing of all these tracks, and no time at all spent converting.
Dan,
Don't know if I would call this "flawless" multi-track recording. Seems like a lot of work within your DAW or getting them to your DAW. Why create a new .wav file every 9 minutes? Why have to use another 3rd party app (DP) to manipulate to non-standard .wav files? My major reason to go with the DL32R was for "seemless" multitrack recording, which is not the case. Leaning me more towards the Behringer X32 now. Currently using 2 - Focusrite 18i20's to get 16 tracks of multitrack. I use Sonar X3 on my PC based laptop. Not going to change anytime soon.
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Harpman, please do not buy the Behringer over the DL32R just because of this one drawback,
use your computer with Sonar,,, or is it not a laptop?
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Harpman, please do not buy the Behringer over the DL32R just because of this one drawback,
use your computer with Sonar,,, or is it not a laptop?
Dan, It's a 17" laptop. I've been a Behringer owner (still own) for quite some years. Don't like their speakers and thats why I have the QSC K-Series. The Mackie DL was my first deviation from Behringer. At the time, the X32 wasn't released yet. I'm really trying to downsize due to space limitations at the gigs we play and saving my back :). To lug my laptop around, I was really hoping Mackie would use native unlimited size .wav files. To spend another $500 US for Digital Producer isn't in my budget. My goal was to hook up a 2TB drive and worry about getting it to my DAW post-production in my studio. Hoping they can fix these issues with multi-track soon. Going to NAMM next year and will be visiting both booths. Not making any purchases until the 2nd quarter of 2015. Considering that multi-track recording is 1st on my list for features, I will have to see how this plays out. I don't think that the X32 can record straight to a external HD at this time. Mackie should have provided "seamless" integration into ANY DAW without the need to spend $500 for middleware.
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Nice that it's a laptop, I don't use Sonar but I can't imagine that it would not allow you to record 32 channels simultaneously via the DL32R's USB "computer" port.
I think you misunderstood my post, I use a FREE piece of software made by Sound Devices called Wave Agent to make the individual mono wave files.
But regardless, with a laptop and Sonar all you should need is a USB cable and get 32 in and 32 out unless Sonar has limitations.
I use Digital Performer to mix all my audio and audio for video.
With your laptop, there is no need to buy anything except a USB cable, I will be using my Mac laptop and Digital Performer instead of the portable HD.
The DL32R is an incredible piece of gear,
I'll just leave it at that.
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The hard drive recording is really disappointing in that all 24 channels are recorded to a single stereo "wave" file that is commonly called a "multichannel wave.
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It is disappointing to me because approximately every nine minutes or so a new multi-channel wave file is created. When importing these into a DAW for mixing, it is up to us to line up all these files and splice them together and without any tolerance of error on our part otherwise we loose the absolutle sync "IF"we plan to use this with camera footage.
Another company screws up the file formats. QSC's TouchMix records in 32 bit, which increases the datastream and chokes USB sticks. Logic can't open the files. They also cleverly give every single track the same filename. :(
Couple questions. What do you get if you just arm 1 track? Does it still restart every 9 minutes, or is it restarting at a specific file size?
Have you checked to see if Mackie included Broadcast WAV timestamps in the files? You should have a function in your DAW to "move the files to preferred positions" or somesuch, and that should line them up with sample accuracy.
Reaper is a very inexpensive multiplatform DAW that will import multichannel WAVs directly.
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Glad you found a way to unravel the multichannel wave file. There are probably other ways to do it too. Some that might just be a single process that never needs to be spliced. Anyway, if it doesn't exist yet, it will soon. Being able to record directly to a laptop would be a winner for me. (I'm using Cubase Artist 6 on my 2010 Macbook Pro) Let us know how that works.
I'm not a huge fan of doing a lot of recording, so won't be changing from my Alesis MultiMix 16 firewire. (Which works just fine for me.)
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I just realized that this multi-channel wave file must be a TDM file. (Time division multiplexed file. Phone company technology that's at least 50+ years old.) So basically, there is probably a consistent series of bits from the mixer. (ie- 1,2,3, marker 1,2,3......) It would be the fastest and most consistent way to create the file and minimize throughput issues. (And probably indicate the limits of how many channels can be done until there is a USB 4.x) If there currently isn't a way of directly handling this type of data stream out of the mixer, it probably shouldn't be difficult to write a capture program that would unravel it on the fly.
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I just realized that this multi-channel wave file must be a TDM file. (Time division multiplexed file. Phone company technology that's at least 50+ years old.) So basically, there is probably a consistent series of bits from the mixer. (ie- 1,2,3, marker 1,2,3......) It would be the fastest and most consistent way to create the file and minimize throughput issues. (And probably indicate the limits of how many channels can be done until there is a USB 4.x) If there currently isn't a way of directly handling this type of data stream out of the mixer, it probably shouldn't be difficult to write a capture program that would unravel it on the fly.
Makes no sense to use old technology. Just shows a lack of experience in new technology. Can't even fathom USB 4.x when 3.x is still riddled with issues. If an app like Auria can save pure .wav files, why can't MF?
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USB2 is fast enough to stream 24 channels of 24 bit. USB3 is plenty for anything we're liable to want to with audio. Video's another story, of course.
As for file formats, my Mackie MDR24/96 recorder wrote individual 24 bit time stamped Broadcast WAV files over a decade ago. They were broken up at intervals to hold to a maximum file size, but they combined seamlessly. Simple, compatible, flexible. Seems like Mackie's going backwards.
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If an app like Auria can save pure .wav files, why can't MF?
It's not MF saving the files, the DL32R does it directly to the hard drive - so no iOS or iPad involved. The firmware probably can't have 32 files open simultaneously and/or the DL32R doesn't have enough memory to buffer it. As someone said above they probably chose that format because it had the lowest overhead. However Mackie should definitely either supply or recommend a free program for the PC and Mac that can convert to individual .wav files while splicing all them short ones together. OTOH if Reaper can directly import them, either switch to that great DAW or kick your DAW supplier in the arse to support them ;) .
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Sonar can work directly to the USB port, I just don't want to lug a laptop around with me. Another option would be to use Auria and use the camera connection kit from the USB port on the DL32R (DAW connection). IMHO, seems like multitrack was an afterthought. They could have added more memory to buffer it. Amazing how Auria can record a 3 hour gig from my Focusrite 18i20's without a hiccup.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FgQkBhK35rA
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Dan,
Supposedly, Sonar will import a multichannel wav file and break them into separate mono files. Can you send my a test recording that you did so I can test importing it into Sonar and see how it looks? Still doesn't fix the 9-minute length issue, which I hope Mackie addresses. Also, how are you linking your video to your audio. Are you using the old clapper method or aligning your video audio with your Mackie audio in your DAW?
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clapper,, really? ;( No wonder people's videos are have sunc issues.
I know the method but if someone is still doing that they need to move into the next century.
You import all your footage into Final Cut Pro X, "select all" then right click and choose "create multicam clip".
In a few minutes for a two hour show, FCPX will automatically sync all the footage with sample accuraracy.
I then do a rough cut of editing then export that .MOV to Digital Performer as a reference while I am mixing audio.
Once the audio is mixed to my liking, I export the stereo 48K/24bit wave file from DP then import it into FCPX.
Of course youtube STILL does not have their audio and video in sync after all these years, I make a separate MPEG4 file with the audio two frames early just for youtube so that it "IS" in sync.
NO, I can not email or send you a file for you to test, each one is over 2GB... and there are 24 of them.
Dan
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What made clapping at the beginning and end of a scene was that magnetic tape would stretch in use and would come out of sync when putting the audio and video together. It still works, but being we nearly never record using tape anymore, that should be a problem from the past.
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that should be a problem from the past.
Should be, but it's not. People rarely use a common clock, and no 2 digital clocks agree precisely. FCPX deals with it, but if you're doing it in iMovie or something, you still have to resync occasionally. It can easily drift enough to be noticeable over the course of a couple songs.
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clapper,, really? ;( No wonder people's videos are have sunc issues.
I know the method but if someone is still doing that they need to move into the next century.
You import all your footage into Final Cut Pro X, "select all" then right click and choose "create multicam clip".
In a few minutes for a two hour show, FCPX will automatically sync all the footage with sample accuraracy.
I then do a rough cut of editing then export that .MOV to Digital Performer as a reference while I am mixing audio.
Once the audio is mixed to my liking, I export the stereo 48K/24bit wave file from DP then import it into FCPX.
Of course youtube STILL does not have their audio and video in sync after all these years, I make a separate MPEG4 file with the audio two frames early just for youtube so that it "IS" in sync.
NO, I can not email or send you a file for you to test, each one is over 2GB... and there are 24 of them.
Dan
Dan,
Unless the audio (.wav) has timecode built into it, I don't know how accurate bringing audio and video from 2 different sources is going to be perfect. Back in the day I worked a lot with SMPTE and RC Time Code (Sony) and those were standards then. Unfortunately, most consumer programs and hardware don't support either these days. So unless the DL32R is producing "Broadcast wav" files, there is no time code embedded. I don't know much about FCPX, but I can't imagine it being much different than Adobe Premiere. I'm mainly a PC user, so I use Adobe Premiere CC 2014 versus FCPX. When I record video, I also record audio from the camera for the sole purpose of aligning the audio from the other source (i.e. DL32R or in my case Focusrite 18i20's). And yes, I use the same sample accuracy on both sources. Whether the drummer hits his snare, I clap my hands or use an electronic clapper (for iPad), I'm able to align my audio waveform recorded on my HD camcorder to the audio recorded from the other source. I then mute (or delete) the audio track from the HD Camcorder. IMHO, I don't think your method is any less accurate or more accurate than my method. Whether I need to nudge the framing back or forward (as you stated regarding YouTube) is par for the course. So I'm curious, if the recording stops at 9 minute intervals, what is the size of the 9 minute interval and how many do you have to append to each other to get 2GB? My issue with that 9 minute interval is that the band can start a tune at 8m30s and at 9m, it starts another file, which due to record latency, can cut part of a verse, chorus, solo, etc. Not efficient in my book. So Mackie designs this small compact 32-channel mixer with no need to dock an iPad, provides a platform (velcro) for your HD and Airport, but in order to get "seemless and contiguous" recording, you have to lug your laptop to the gig as well? No worries on sending the files. Was hoping for a 9 minute snippet x 24. Can't be that big, can it? Takes me 2-4 minutes to download a 2GB file, but then again, not everyone in the country has the bandwidth that I have (75/75) ;). BTW, how is external drive formatted (i.e. FAT16/FAT32)? There is a 2GB file limitation on both these technologies and maybe that's why the DL creates a new file @ 9m?
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Unless the audio (.wav) has timecode built into it, I don't know how accurate bringing audio and video from 2 different sources is going to be perfect.
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I don't know much about FCPX, but I can't imagine it being much different than Adobe Premiere.
FCPX just deals with it. You hand it a bunch of unsynced audio and video files. It looks for points of similarity, and stretches/shrinks everything to fit as needed. It has revolutionized video.
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Then maybe its worth me investing the $300
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Its all about simplicity for me.
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Looks like Adobe Premiere CC has Multicam and Audio based syncing like FCPX. Going to try that before I make another investment in software.
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some of what's going on make this a pretty good time to be alive
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Looks like Adobe Premiere CC has Multicam and Audio based syncing like FCPX. Going to try that before I make another investment in software.
PPCC is hard to beat, just upgraded from PP5 a few months back :thu: ;)
I've been using Premiere and FCP for many years now but couldn't get on to FCPX at all. :facepalm:
Just did a six camera shoot of a concert last month, PPCC lined all the footage up automagically.
I then added the studio "sweetened" multichannel captured soundtrack and the whole thing was in sync all the way through (95mins).
I upgraded recently to SSD drives for media and I was able to cut it realtime in multicam.
It made it really easy and very fast!
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Looks like Adobe Premiere CC has Multicam and Audio based syncing like FCPX. Going to try that before I make another investment in software.
PPCC is hard to beat, just upgraded from PP5 a few months back :thu: ;)
I've been using Premiere and FCP for many years now but couldn't get on to FCPX at all. :facepalm:
Just did a six camera shoot of a concert last month, PPCC lined all the footage up automagically.
I then added the studio "sweetened" multichannel captured soundtrack and the whole thing was in sync all the way through (95mins).
I upgraded recently to SSD drives for media and I was able to cut it realtime in multicam.
It made it really easy and very fast!
Thanks for the update. That's some really positive encouragement :). Hopefully this week will be slow allowing me some time to play :). My laptop is pretty tricked out. Have 2 SSD's (one for OS and one for programs). I have a 3rd one terabyte drive for storage. I don't own a Mac, but run Yosemite in a virtual (VMWare) environment. This is primarily for my IT business to support my Mac customers. BTW, are your cameras all the same make/model?
Thanks,
Gio
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some of what's going on make this a pretty good time to be alive
True, I will 2nd that :)
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Just found out that the DL32R multitrack technology is not Mackie's. It's a company called Archwave That designed the hardware/driver/firmware component. Mackie support assured me that the transition from closing one file and creating another won't cause a gap in the recording. Hopefully, Dan can shed some light here since he's the only owner of the DL32R on this forum (I believe).
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Looks like Adobe Premiere CC has Multicam and Audio based syncing like FCPX. Going to try that before I make another investment in software.
PPCC is hard to beat, just upgraded from PP5 a few months back :thu: ;)
I've been using Premiere and FCP for many years now but couldn't get on to FCPX at all. :facepalm:
Just did a six camera shoot of a concert last month, PPCC lined all the footage up automagically.
I then added the studio "sweetened" multichannel captured soundtrack and the whole thing was in sync all the way through (95mins).
I upgraded recently to SSD drives for media and I was able to cut it realtime in multicam.
It made it really easy and very fast!
Thanks for the update. That's some really positive encouragement :). Hopefully this week will be slow allowing me some time to play :). My laptop is pretty tricked out. Have 2 SSD's (one for OS and one for programs). I have a 3rd one terabyte drive for storage. I don't own a Mac, but run Yosemite in a virtual (VMWare) environment. This is primarily for my IT business to support my Mac customers. BTW, are your cameras all the same make/model?
Thanks,
Gio
All Sony cams Gio: Z7s, Z5s, FS100 and MC50
I shoot everything in HD and use tsMuxeR to patch the part files together into single large files.
Works better for me than Sony's import tool (last time I tried it)
I kept buying FCS because DVDSP is my authoring tool of choice, Encore not for me. :-[
FCP brought multicam closely followed by PP multicam which was easier to implement.
Was using DSLRs for a while but FCP couldn't handle those files.
Was spending a lot of time converting files then I upgraded to PP5. PP5 ate them up, it was a major time saver for me. :lol:
I use PCs for all the editing and a MBP and a Hackintosh I built for DVD/BD production.
Just wish Apple would make something nice to author BD discs. Toast is ok but very basic.
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Looks like Adobe Premiere CC has Multicam and Audio based syncing like FCPX. Going to try that before I make another investment in software.
PPCC is hard to beat, just upgraded from PP5 a few months back :thu: ;)
I've been using Premiere and FCP for many years now but couldn't get on to FCPX at all. :facepalm:
Just did a six camera shoot of a concert last month, PPCC lined all the footage up automagically.
I then added the studio "sweetened" multichannel captured soundtrack and the whole thing was in sync all the way through (95mins).
I upgraded recently to SSD drives for media and I was able to cut it realtime in multicam.
It made it really easy and very fast!
Thanks for the update. That's some really positive encouragement :). Hopefully this week will be slow allowing me some time to play :). My laptop is pretty tricked out. Have 2 SSD's (one for OS and one for programs). I have a 3rd one terabyte drive for storage. I don't own a Mac, but run Yosemite in a virtual (VMWare) environment. This is primarily for my IT business to support my Mac customers. BTW, are your cameras all the same make/model?
Thanks,
Gio
All Sony cams Gio: Z7s, Z5s, FS100 and MC50
I shoot everything in HD and use tsMuxeR to patch the part files together into single large files.
Works better for me than Sony's import tool (last time I tried it)
I kept buying FCS because DVDSP is my authoring tool of choice, Encore not for me. :-[
FCP brought multicam closely followed by PP multicam which was easier to implement.
Was using DSLRs for a while but FCP couldn't handle those files.
Was spending a lot of time converting files then I upgraded to PP5. PP5 ate them up, it was a major time saver for me. :lol:
I use PCs for all the editing and a MBP and a Hackintosh I built for DVD/BD production.
Just wish Apple would make something nice to author BD discs. Toast is ok but very basic.
Have your tried ProShow Producer by Photodex. Great product. I use it for all my music demos and charity events. I've actually produced a BD that was put up on a 70" HD TV and looked amazing. You can use a combination of video and stills with transitions and other cool effects. Check out the couple of links of demo videos I've done. They are still shots, but can be done with HD video as well:
http://www.photodex.com/share/giostefani/8xdmpmg4
http://www.photodex.com/share/giostefani/agd6pmg4
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Is that the same as "ProShow Gold", a photographer friend of mine uses that?
Will check it out, thanks for the tip :)
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Is that the same as "ProShow Gold", a photographer friend of mine uses that?
Will check it out, thanks for the tip :)
Same company. Gold is one step down from Producer. I once had Gold and upgraded to Producer. Producer has way more features (http://www.photodex.com/proshow/compare). Just started playing with PPCC 2014. Looks really easy. Planning on doing more live music videos next year. I have a hodge podge of different video cameras. Logitech C920 Webcam, a JVC and Canon HD Camcorder. Use to shoot a lot of video a few years ago. I'll just have to relearn some of the tools :).