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Unofficial Mackie User Forums => DL1608/DL806/DL32R/ProDX Mixers => Topic started by: walterw on November 20, 2014, 06:14:39 AM
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my ipad 3 is now so slow with MF3 on the parametrics especially that it's almost unusable! i slide my finger over and it's a good one second before the EQ band starts struggling to get where my finger is.
i thought maybe my ipad 3 was just not enough processor for the new app, until my friend showed me his ipad 2 with MF3, the parametric EQ bands just as zippy and responsive as ever.
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Did you "force close" all apps on your iPad before running Master Fader? Are you using a dedicated network for your DL1608 to iPad connection? Are you sure there are no other wireless networks on the same channels as you are using?
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haven't gotten nearly that far yet! i'm just messing with the offline app at home, no mixer in sight.
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I would be inclined to make sure that just about all other programs are shut down. (they remain in the background until you flick them away after a double click of the home key.) If this remains a problem with all other programs actually shut down, save and export your shows, delete the app, reboot and backup the ipad then load MF 3.0 again. While a few have complained a bit about the channel EQ looking slow, you're the only one suggesting it's nearly unusable. Also, make sure you have a couple of gig of free memory to work with. Inadequate free ram will drag the ipad to it's knees. (Or any other tablet.) I'm thinking about getting more memory in my next ipad. (Probably be a while.)
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deleted and reinstalled MF a couple times now, shut down and restarted the ipad a couple times now, i have really no music on my 32g ipad 3 (so more than half the memory is free), and nothing i'm aware of is running in the background (certainly no more than five days ago when i last used a perfectly zippy MF2).
i guess "unusable" is an exaggeration, i'll just go with "sucks", not exactly what i wanted from the big, much-awaited upgrade.
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I have the same problem
The issue is mainly the channel eq but the output graphics are similar
I will attaché a vid to show what mine is like
Keggles
Tried to attaché a vid but it's too large
:facepalm:
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No such issues for me on my three lowly iPad minis.
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I have the same problem
The issue is mainly the channel eq but the output graphics are similar
I will attaché a vid to show what mine is like
Keggles
Tried to attaché a vid but it's too large
:facepalm:
Just upload it to YouTube as an unlisted video and post the link here :) .
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No problems on my mini or ipad 4.
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Had also lag the first time, sec and third times it magically disappeared,
Tomorrow an new gig, wil see how it goes
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Here's a video showing slow response times with a iPad 3
http://youtu.be/vjoBRnRTZO4
Keggles
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I lived through unusable, and that isn't it. It is very surprisingly sluggish. Not a question about ipad capabilities. But after an upgrade to ios 8.1.1 on my ipad 2, the response seems slower even though it was supposed to specifically help that model. Might be an ios problem. We'll see.
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I just watched the vid of someone having trouble switching from modern to vintage EQ
On that issue mine is fine...what I did notice is that in vintage mode the response time is fine... It's only in modern mode that the screen lags
Keggles
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It's responsive as it ever was for me on an iPad Air from last year.
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Here's a video showing slow response times with a iPad 3
http://youtu.be/vjoBRnRTZO4
Any particular reason you have it categorized as "Comedy"? Lol
Oh, and try turning Siri off.
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Here's a video showing slow response times with a iPad 3
http://youtu.be/vjoBRnRTZO4
Keggles
that's exactly what mine is doing. (and yeah, no lagging on the "vintage" EQ setting.)
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Had also lag the first time, sec and third times it magically disappeared,
Tomorrow an new gig, wil see how it goes
really? tell us about that! which ipad?
first, second and third times you what, plugged into the mixer?
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Was ipad2 , on Tuesday(live) thursday(at home playing) Saturday again live
Alltimes connected to mixer, only differance first time i use 16 channels, the othertime, 2 inputs (airplay) at home,
And 4 inputs at live gig, at live gigs i was loading the ipad
Tonight i need again a lot of inputs and will see if it happens again
Don't know any more if the first time I closed al the running apps, 2 and sec time i did
Ipad got a lot slower with ios8.*.*
Even other apps are very slow when opening
Let u know tommorrow if it still is slow or again normal
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turning off siri doesn't work >:(
keggles
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Wow - the tracking for the modern EQ really got broken with MF3. I think its not just a lag. It seems to track slightly ahead of where your finger is, so if you move your finger you have to stop before you really want it, because it will keep going. I have already saved most of the EQs that I need which is a good thing, because it is a PIA to make a change on the fly with this. I was planning to pick up a couple of new vocal mics for xmas and now I wish I had held off on MF update until I have the new mics dialed in.
Other than that, the response time seems OK. It still takes several seconds for MF to synch if I swipe to an RTA app and then back to MF. I dont know why MF cant just synch in the background when another app has the screen
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Nearly everything in MF3 is slow/laggy (iPad3/iOS8.1.1) the faders seem ok but selecting a button (solo/mute etc) or eq page or WHY takes around half a second where before it was virtual instant. I don't want to put MF3 on my iPad2/iOS7 in case I have trouble reverting, I have a gig next week where I'll need it. I have had the V3 firmware on the DL just to see if it made a difference. I have reverted back to V2 for the moment, I'll play with MF3 for a few days and then restore the iPad from a pre update backup, hopefully that will restore MF2 for the moment. Shame I can't revert to iOS7 (the iPad3 was on iOS6 and I tried unsuccessfully to upgrade it to 7.1.2, when that failed I had no choice but to go with iOS8). Other stuff on iOS8 seems fine though I haven't done any in depth testing yet.
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Is it possible since MF 3 has so many more features and or background processes, that it’s requiring more CPU time to run and slowing down the iPad?
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Hopefully it's something stupid like leaving the debug switch enabled when they compiled the PUBLIC BETA or did this magically turn into a final release when I wasn't looking? There is only one background process I'm aware of and that is recording which has been there all along.
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What about the "MackApple" combination? MF and iOS?
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What about the "MackApple" combination? MF and iOS?
Isn't that called a McIntosh? :) Don't get me started on the Fruit. The attempted switch to a real multitasking OS didn't quite make it in iOS 8. So who knows what state that's in. The changes for developers amounted to about 4000 API's either changed, new or discontinued. So App developers all had to go over their code again to catch all the gotchas. Oh what fun it is to ride the Apple code malaise... ;) I'm working on that day job replacement.
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WK: Thanks for the input. I used to call them Macintoy Laughtops. I really do like Macs, honestly. :angel:
Actually I think your song writing/jingles composition skills are coming along just fine. ;)
My humblest apologies to Mac owners everywhere! 8) I really do mean that.
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Thanks KM you think I'm ready for that Grammy or is it an Emmy.. whatever just give me a crowd of Ladies. (Neil Diamond). ;) Time to hang more Christmas lights. ;)
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Actually a " Gremmy" ;)
And just because, here's some lights to get you started.
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Is it possible since MF 3 has so many more features and or background processes, that it’s requiring more CPU time to run and slowing down the iPad?
that was my guess too, that my ipad 3 was just not enough for it, until a friend showed me his ipad 2 with 3.0 that was perfectly zippy.
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that was my guess too, that my ipad 3 was just not enough for it, until a friend showed me his ipad 2 with 3.0 that was perfectly zippy.
Was the response on the PEQs as good as it was with MF2 on your friends ipad 2?
If so, that might point to the graphics library for the retina display as being the culprit for slowing down MF3 on ipad 3
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This won't help with the lag or jumpy situation but I found that adding a screen protector helped keep my fingers from sliding too fast on the glass ipad surface. I never realized how much it mattered until I tried my wifes Ipad on my system. She did not have any screen protector and my fingers were sliding all over the place too fast. My ipad had a bit better control since the protector gave a little more "bite" to the screen.
Believe it or not, the thickness of the screen protector made it hard to slide the ipad into the dock, so I had to trim it back a bit. that in mind, I don't think you can do that with the new "glass" screen savers. so stay with the plastic, matte finish ones that can be cut with a scissors or knife.
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Nearly everything in MF3 is slow/laggy (iPad3/iOS8.1.1) the faders seem ok but selecting a button (solo/mute etc) or eq page or WHY takes around half a second where before it was virtual instant. I don't want to put MF3 on my iPad2/iOS7 in case I have trouble reverting, I have a gig next week where I'll need it. I have had the V3 firmware on the DL just to see if it made a difference. I have reverted back to V2 for the moment, I'll play with MF3 for a few days and then restore the iPad from a pre update backup, hopefully that will restore MF2 for the moment. Shame I can't revert to iOS7 (the iPad3 was on iOS6 and I tried unsuccessfully to upgrade it to 7.1.2, when that failed I had no choice but to go with iOS8). Other stuff on iOS8 seems fine though I haven't done any in depth testing yet.
Now that I have been using MF3 a bit more, I agree, its not just the EQ. Overall more laggy. I've noticed that the synch time has got worse. Before, if I swiped to my RTA and then back to MF, there would be a couple second lag while MF synched, which was annoying. Now, when I swipe back to MF3 from the RTA, there is an additional delay of a second or two before MF even tries to synch. Granted, it is still only 4-5 seconds now to synch, but annoying when standing in front of monitors waiting to do something.
Sam, you were smart to back up your copy of MF2. I did not do this. I didnt intend to upgrade to MF3. I upgraded my iPad to ios 8.1.1 so I could run some new tools and somehow my "automatic update" for apps got turned out during the update. I'm not sure why, it might have been because the ios update locked up halfway through and I had to power down the ipad in the middle of the update. When I turned the PA on last Friday, surprise! It appears I am now an MF3 beta tester! Luckily it is still usable, but I would go back to V2 if I could.
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Hopefully the next update will solve the issues with MF3. I'm not too worried about MF3 though, I was forced to update my iPad3 from iOS6 to iOS8 (I wish I'd gone for iOS7 before they released iOS8 :-[) so I could try MF3 and iOS8 is not what I hoped for.
My other iPad is an iPad2, currently on iOS7 and I'm reluctant to upgrade MF3 in case it can't cope. Regarding MF3, I've just played, offline, with it again and, apart from the horrible PEQ pages (maybe I'll start using Vintage EQ) it seems to be ok apart from needing several taps before it responds to the touchscreen, once it does so it seems fine.
I could do with a few "I've got MF3/iOS8 and it's great" comments TBH
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Hopefully the next update will solve the issues with MF3. I'm not too worried about MF3 though, I was forced to update my iPad3 from iOS6 to iOS8 (I wish I'd gone for iOS7 before they released iOS8 :-[) so I could try MF3 and iOS8 is not what I hoped for.
My other iPad is an iPad2, currently on iOS7 and I'm reluctant to upgrade MF3 in case it can't cope. Regarding MF3, I've just played, offline, with it again and, apart from the horrible PEQ pages (maybe I'll start using Vintage EQ) it seems to be ok apart from needing several taps before it responds to the touchscreen, once it does so it seems fine.
I could do with a few "I've got MF3/iOS8 and it's great" comments TBH
My iPad minis are on 8.1. Same guts as iPad 2 methinks?
Running just fine, wireless connection much better now too Sam.
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V3 doesn't seem to preload anything - so the first trip to a new page is painful but thereafter OK. But I'm using pre-retina iPads, sounds like folks are most hatin' on the iPad3 and up?
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My iPad minis are on 8.1. Same guts as iPad 2 methinks?
Running just fine, wireless connection much better now too Sam.
Yah I looked it up and that's true. My original iPad mini has always behaved the same as my iPad 2's.
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I have MF3 on both IPads, a 2 and a 3 and see no noticeable differance.
I just think a mini would be way to small for me to work with. I tried one at a gig someone else was doing
and it just seemed uncomfortably small to try to work with for a show that required a lot of jumping around between screens
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Is anybody having this problem, when I switch to MF3 (demo mode, iPad3/iOS8.1.1) it fails to respond to my touching the faders or any other 'touch zones' for several seconds before finally responding.
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I have iPad3/iOS8.1.2/MF3
Whenever I start MF for the first time, the EQ, dynamics and quick access panel all take about 4 seconds from the tap for the screen to come up
After the first time, the screens come up fairly quickly, even if its a different channel
The faders and output selectors seem responsive right out of the gate.
EQ screen seems to be the worst. Not only is it slow, but its hard to take your finger off the screen without it jumping to a new spot when you do this
Another thing I noticed is that when I start MF3, it always comes up disconnected. I have to manually attach to the DL each time I restart MF3
I'm pretty sure that MF2 used to just synch automatically to the DL, although I could be wrong about this. Prior to MF3, I didnt spend much time closing and reopening MF
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I did a show last night. ipad2/ipad mini/DL1608. All I devices are at 8.1.1 MF 3 on all. NO other apps in use. iPad 2 stays docked and mini sits in the crowd with me. Wireless is airport express at 5G and secured.
Time lag from input to change on both devices is 1/2 second on average and was that way all night. No difference from EQ or AUX or LR view, its slow.
Updated both devices to 8.1.2 and will see tonight.
Are folks with newer devices NOT seeing this lag issue? Wondering if its device processor related. Perhaps SW code was not optimized for older, slower devices.
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I'm still running MF2 for the moment. The wireless iPad (iPad3/iOS8.1.1/MF2) doesn't automatically sync when I first start MF2 but does when it wakes up after sending to sleep (by closing the cover in this case).
MF2 has a very slight lag, probably less than ¼ sec, noticeable but not a problem. The iPad 2 appears no slower.
I had MF3 on the iPad3 and it had all the lag reported here as well as the several seconds before it would respond at all.
I reverted to MF2 for now as I don't need the extra features at the moment (and MyF is more useful to me).
iOS 8.1.2 only addresses the ringtone issue, no other changes so I wouldn't expect it to make any difference to the issues we are having with MF3.
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I did a show last night. ipad2/ipad mini/DL1608. All I devices are at 8.1.1 MF 3 on all. NO other apps in use. iPad 2 stays docked and mini sits in the crowd with me. Wireless is airport express at 5G and secured.
Time lag from input to change on both devices is 1/2 second on average and was that way all night. No difference from EQ or AUX or LR view, its slow.
Updated both devices to 8.1.2 and will see tonight.
Are folks with newer devices NOT seeing this lag issue? Wondering if its device processor related. Perhaps SW code was not optimized for older, slower devices.
Hi Frankie,
After upgrading to MF3 on my iPad 2 (30 pin) I decided it was time to upgrade my iPad as well. Now running MF3 on an iPad air 2, it's really smooth no lags on any of the controls.
Cheers
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I really hope that the folks at Mackie address this lag.
I am not running out to buy another ipad and adaptors to connect it to the 1608 (30 pin)
While I won't claim the lag to make the product unusable...and I have already done a few shows with the new version, I find it very annoying and you have to move slow and careful.
The lag even effects the sound, so after you get the eq where you think it should be on the screen the audio change seems to happen a second later.
I wish I had a V-2 backup, or that until Mackie resolves this problem, they put ip a special app so we can reinstall the V-2 version again.
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I did a show last night. ipad2/ipad mini/DL1608. All I devices are at 8.1.1 MF 3 on all. NO other apps in use. iPad 2 stays docked and mini sits in the crowd with me. Wireless is airport express at 5G and secured.
Time lag from input to change on both devices is 1/2 second on average and was that way all night. No difference from EQ or AUX or LR view, its slow.
Updated both devices to 8.1.2 and will see tonight.
Are folks with newer devices NOT seeing this lag issue? Wondering if its device processor related. Perhaps SW code was not optimized for older, slower devices.
Hi Frankie,
After upgrading to MF3 on my iPad 2 (30 pin) I decided it was time to upgrade my iPad as well. Now running MF3 on an iPad air 2, it's really smooth no lags on any of the controls.
Cheers
Here's the rub. I should not have to upgrade my hardware. It worked just fine at 2.1.1. If there truly is a horsepower issue here, didn't Mackie regression test MF3 to see if older devices would indeed support the code? A simple message stating the recemonded devices and non recemonded devices would have been enough.
Also in my case I would have to swap the 30 pin connector to a lighting connector on the 1608.
Guess I'll be rolling everything back after tonight's gig. I seriously doubt 8.1.2 is going to help in any way but I'll post what I see tonight.
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I really hope that the folks at Mackie address this lag.
I am not running out to buy another ipad and adaptors to connect it to the 1608 (30 pin)
While I won't claim the lag to make the product unusable...and I have already done a few shows with the new version, I find it very annoying and you have to move slow and careful.
The lag even effects the sound, so after you get the eq where you think it should be on the screen the audio change seems to happen a second later.
I wish I had a V-2 backup, or that until Mackie resolves this problem, they put ip a special app so we can reinstall the V-2 version again.
That would be great but I suspect Apple would't allow it, even though you can load older versions to older iDevices from the iTunes app store.
I was lucky enough to have a backup, pre MF3 and had updated to MF3 over WiFi not through iTunes so I had MF2.1.1.ipa still in my iTunes library (I was keeping my older iPad on MF2 "just in case" and both sync with the same iTunes library). I also saved my version2 file from iTunes (right click on the app in iTunes and "show in finder" then copy the .ipa file to a safe place) so I was able to revert. I'd offer to send you the .ipa file but they're all DRM linked to your own iTunes account so it wouldn't work.
Just thinking outside the proverbial box, if you have access to an old iPad1, they can't work with iOS7+, so if you install MF on it it should install MF2, you should (though I have no way of testing this) have MF2.1.1.ipa in your iTunes library. Deleting MF3.ipa from the library (you can always get it back off iTunes) or move it to another directory and restore the newer iPad from an old backup and you may get MF2 back. Please note I can't test this as I don't have an iPad1 so very much at your own risk.
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What about an updated MF 3 that would be able to recognize what type of CPU it’s running on and adjust itself accordingly to the model of iPad. IE: iPad2, 3, Air etc. Is that even possible? WK may be able to answer that better than I can.
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What about an updated MF 3 that would be able to recognize what type of CPU it’s running on and adjust itself accordingly to the model of iPad. IE: iPad2, 3, Air etc. Is that even possible? WK may be able to answer that better than I can.
I'm sorry but if your asking Mackie to be creative you hit a dead end. Other Co. have simply renamed their apps so MF2 vs. MF3 would suffice. I bet it's about $$$.
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You might be right that $$ are involved, but Mackie knows that those of us that are not 100% satisfied with MF V.3 on the 1608 will probably not migrate to the DL32 in the future.
Bottom line is that we know that BenO looks at this forum so......
.... PLEASE , this is a real issue not a "wishlist" item so can you make this a priority and make the lag go bye-bye ?
Posts and reviews about this will not help sales of the product. The fix is beneficial to us and Mackie.
If you have some suggestions, a work around, a magic incantation or at least acknowledge the issue and let us know the Christmas elves at Mackie are hard at work on a solution it would be appreciated.
Most of us here love the product, love the new app and can't wait to get out there and use it to the full potential available.
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So, update from last night. As suspected, iOS 8.1.2 made zero improvement. In fact there seems to be a new wrinkle. Now I have no idea if this is a IOS or Mackie issue but here goes.
I'm running the system with a docked iPad and a remote mini. Walked over to the 1608 to check on another piece of gear and the screen on the docked iPad froze. Then it re-connected and displayed the Mackie sync screen. Thankfully nothing was interrupted in the audio outputs.
I was going to pull the trigger on a DL32 since I'm starting to get a lot of sound work and also being asked about live recording. After this weekend, that's just not going to happen. If I wind up having to replace my two control surfaces due to no or very poor SW regression testing, I'll "upgrade" right out of the Mackie product line.
Thankfully I don't have any sound work until January so that will give me time to attempt a SW change back to 2.1.1. MF3 is a non starter in my opinion.
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One thought. All Mackie had to do is NOT release the 30pin version of the 1608. That would have eliminated that segment of the device population. Of course that would also have eliminated all of those potential sales...
Just sayin...
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It is quite easy and relatively cheap to convert 30pin to Lightning and vice-versa and, even if Mackie discontinue the 30pin DL I'm pretty sure there will be enough conversion kits to go around.
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One thought. All Mackie had to do is NOT release the 30pin version of the 1608. That would have eliminated that segment of the device population. Of course that would also have eliminated all of those potential sales... Just sayin...
FYI the 30 pin version came out before the lightning iDevices were announced - and Mackie didn't learn abut the change to the lightning connector until the day Apple announced it publicly, after the DL's were shipping. Apple suxs...
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I cant believe where this is going. Rdmitch your talking about a repeat business model and customer loyalty. That concept is too antiquated it's now a "A fool is born every minute" model. Yes there are the Lemmings that follow their leader over the cliff but they're mere noise. Fortunately the rest of the world has spoken with their money and Apple's once at 85% market share on the tablet is now around 22%. The overall uptake of anything iOS based (mostly iPhones) , based on several market watches, is at below 12% (Third quarter 2014 results). Again a few years ago that was over 50%. Any company basing their product on a single source can't be making sound decisions, as time has taught many. I'd put my money on the ones that recognize that fact and provide multiple solutions.
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One thought. All Mackie had to do is NOT release the 30pin version of the 1608. That would have eliminated that segment of the device population. Of course that would also have eliminated all of those potential sales... Just sayin...
FYI the 30 pin version came out before the lightning iDevices were announced - and Mackie didn't learn abut the change to the lightning connector until the day Apple announced it publicly, after the DL's were shipping. Apple suxs...
That really doesn't surprise me at all…
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Agreed that the iOS is slowly self destructing, but the concept of mackie having a low priced mixer like the 1608 with total wireless connectivity was a great idea. It provided for a digital mixer at a price point that most could afford , loads of functions using at the time the most popular hand held interface. Sure, over time they should have offered other formats compatible with other operating systems such as android, but the quantity of adaptor trays and pin connectors could be a dealer stocking nightmare ( but an aftermarket dream).
I'm sure in time they will evolve to the android market too, but that's not to say that the other formats will not have their share of issues. While not a big Apple fan, it is still more stable than any Galaxy or other I have ever owned both for phones, pads and pods.
While fools are born all the time, with the Internet and customer reviews abounding in today's online marketplace the fools are becoming more educated and savvy. Speaking as one that holds their college degree in Buisness marketing, I still feel that mackie can retain a strong place in the market, but ONLY thru strong customer support.
Other companies excel in options and advertising, but still fail to even deliver a product, or fall short on performance promised.
I still have confidence that this stumbling block will be resolved and we will move forward. I'm not hearing a lot of negative feedback on any issues other than this and the wireless ipad transport issue which was never a promised sell point.
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The DL1608 was definitely awesome when it came out. Today, most folks I know are going for the X32 Rack. Some of it's features can't be done on the DL1608's hardware but many can. Most important to me would be a second reverb, a chorus mode on the delay, more tap points for the auxes, and a couple "virtual" auxes (stereo linkable) for recording so we don't have to burn two hardware aux outputs for that :( .
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As usual all great points from RR, but the 1608 is less than 1/2 the price of the X32.
Most boards in that price point still only have 4 aux sends. I would like more aux's to use for outboard fx but that just creates more outboard gear to schlep and wire. I would just prefer a few better internal fx. Overall I have survived with modifying the ones built in. I'm not mixing for concerts so im not striving for perfect effects,just
Enough so be noticeable.
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Comparing like(ish) for like, at a major European retailer, Thomann, the X32 Rack is 1022 euro and the DL1608 999 euro so this side of the pond the Rack is close enough to the same price as the DL as to take no part in a buying decision. The full X32 is not anywhere near a fair comparison with basically 2X everything plus real faders to justice nearly double the price of a DL.
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I can get the X32 Rack for about the same $$$ as the DL1608 . I really dislike that I/O being on the rear on the X32 Rack but folks are coping with it OK. The DL32R is a nice layout but won't fit in a shallow rack :( and is also twice the price.
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Rdmitch I think the price point has been answered (Sam) and you still need to add at minimum the iPad Mini at $399 to make it functional. Comparing a X32 rack feature wise to the MF3 Dl 1608 would be nothing short of an embarrassment for Mackie. I'd rather not go there. They were meant for different market segments. If you actually believe that over a year to respond to a problem is "strong customer support" then we obviously have a difference of opinions. Let the facts (not mine) speak for themselves.
I was one of the fools that bought into Mackie's claims a long time ago. Because of Mackie's reluctance to be open about their product I opened it up to see what the potential could be, not to throw rocks at it. What all of you don't know is that I have been busy behind the scenes with Mackie's Ben Olswang since March of this year. I have shared some of the information with you here but certainly only a limited amount. Unlike some members that think they can change Mackie's direction by mouthing off on this forum (Kev Tyler) to be specific and others that support him. I've been in the charity business for over 20 yrs. and I've learned that you need a tough skin and strong stomach to survive. I consider this forum another charity for me and I've never backed away from a fight when I believed I was right (Rdmitch nothing to do with you).
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What all of you don't know is that I have been busy behind the scenes with Mackie's Ben Olswang since March of this year.
So, V3 is your fault? ;)
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There sure seem to be a lot of people looking for ANY reason to say that MF 3.0 is unusable. (I'm not having any issues that make it unusable.) Don't like MF 3.0? Don't install it. For me it's a great improvement and Mackie should be proud. All the complaints I've seen are hiccups typical of any software/hardware combination. If you want perfection, better wait until your next life. You'll never get it in this one. Will Mackie's MF 3.1 fix most of the complaints? Probably not all of them, but I'm not going back to MF 2.1.1 And I do expect to use this configuration for my next Senior's variety show in May. (Even though for this type of show, physical faders are preferable. 14 wireless mics. View and mute groups will get a serious workout.)
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The X32 Rack, X18/18R/12R or WHY, DL1608/806/32R, etc, all need a tablet, in the UK the cheapest iPad mini is £199, you can buy a 7" android for £79 but if you are spending close to £1000 on a mixer I don't think it makes sense to buy a cheap tablet. As WK says, price isn't the driver of choice between the DL1608 and the X32 Rack (the X18 OTOH when it really appears will be a direct competitor for the DL, and probably a fair bit cheaper), a DL plus 'iPad mini cost near enough the same as an X32R plus 'droid. It comes down to small footprint and ease of use (DL wins) against features and flexibility (round 2 to the X32R). Would I buy a DL1608 now? Probably not, I'd go for the X32R and live with the larger size but I'm a self confessed gear head. Would I recommend an X32R to a mate with a pub/bar duo/band? No, too steep a learning curve and way more (confusing) features than he needs, I'd sell him on a DL. I have no plans to sell my DL1608 at present, I'll stick with MF2 for now as I can take the X32 Compact out if I need the extra stuff and, on many smaller gigs, I value the size and ease of use benefits the DL has. Eventually I will probably buy an X32R to supplement the Compact (rather than an S16) at which point I'll probably find it hard to justify keeping the DL (though if prices continues to fall....). Interesting times ;D
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What all of you don't know is that I have been busy behind the scenes with Mackie's Ben Olswang since March of this year.
So, V3 is your fault? ;)
Are you that naive ? We been playing the cat and mouse routine since. He's trying to get ideas out of me and me trying to get reasonable info out of him about the product. He has until the end of the year before I turn over my request for the modified uClinux code to me. After that I will turn it over to FOSS for contract violations. Ben Olswang of Loud Inc. you have been put on notice here. My previous e-mail notifications should be sufficient. I really don't care if I have been the only one that requested it.
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Just returning to the original point of this thread for a moment. I've been thinking about the differences between MF2 and MF3 and the slowness of MF3 can't be attributed purely to iOS version (I have MF2 on iOS7/iPad2 and iOS8/iPad3 and there is no difference between them). The worst thing on MF3 is the horrible response of the PEQ screen. Given that the PEQ is identical in MF2 & MF3 there must be something going on under the hood in MF3, it can't be as simple as graphics redrawing overloading the GPU 'cos the graphics are more or less identical to MF2 and the moving elements are exactly the same. Obviously Mackie have done a major rewrite of MF to introduce the new features and either they have introduced a bug which causes the lag or they have changed something fundamental for the worse in the process. If it's the former it should be fixable in 3.1, if the latter, who knows.
Maybe WK and Wynnd can put me right if I'm way off base here.
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Hi sam i think your correct with the overload of the graphic cpu
With only a couple of channels there is less lag than with a lot of channels in use
I ll try this the next gig, make some view groups with only 1 channel and see if it still laggs or with all channels there is more lag
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Interested to see what you discover. I concluded that GPU was not the problem BTW. I'm out with the DL today, iPad1/iOS6, iPad2/iOS7 & iPad3/iOS8, all running MF2.1.1. Should be interesting to see how my mates iPad1 compares with my iPads 2 & 3. I'll try the view group thing too to see if it makes any difference to MF2 (which does have a slight lag but less than half MF3 on the same iPad).
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I'm fairly sure that MF 3.0 was a major rewrite and not a minor modification. It almost feels to me that they started the interface pretty much from scratch. (Was the White noise problem designed in by accident?) The PEQ sluggishness is preferable to the White noise explosion. One the audience never hears, the other is an embarrassment. Just a note: the classic mode of PEQ is very responsive. (Know anyone who prefers to use that?) I would gladly drop the classic mode if there's an improved response in the modern mode. (I don't use the classic mode anyway and wouldn't miss it. It was interesting to see it there, but the modern mode is easier to use.)
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Like the others said, the problem is mostly on the PEQ, I have been using the MF V.3 for a few weeks already on gigs and just switch all my
channels to classic EQ mode as a work through. That's why I say it's not unusable, just annoying since the PEQ offered more infinite
adjustments and I liked having that screen to work within. There are also times I can be scrolling across the channels (to get from input
1 to 16) and I can see a fader like delay or reverb actually moving up or down due to the scrolling.
We each have our own items that are important and this issue to me was important, whereas white noise was of no consequence to me as I
don't use the ipad channel (I plug in my ipod instead to a channel).
We all have our preferences in equipment too, I have always had great luck with Mackie and terrible luck with the "other mfg" so I do not
want to change at this point. I have used the X32 and it was far too complicated for what I need it to do. I'm pleased with the simplicity, price, and flexability of the 1608. I think V.3 was a vast improvement in features with still a few bugs to work out.
I can't revert back to V2 since my upload was done on Wi-Fi download and I don't have a iTunes V2 backup. My fault, I should have backed up the old version just in case.
Just looking for a bit of assurance from Loud/Mackie that this is being looked into.
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(Know anyone who prefers to use that?)
Hey Wynnd, I'm that guy :-[
I don't use "classic" mode exclusively but having used the same PA for a number of years, I had particular eqs stored in the grey matter and dialled them in via the "knobs".
It was used for speed on an initial setup to put me in the "ballpark" and worked fine with only occasional tweaking since.
I actually prefer the classic mode for the gate and comp. On my iPad minis it just works better for me. :thu:
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Classic mode would be much more useful if it had a second "mid" channel and a couple more selections available on the HPF.
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I actually prefer the classic mode for the gate and comp. On my iPad minis it just works better for me. :thu:
Agreed.
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I got my first look at 3.0 yesterday. A friend has one, set on auto update, so I played with it not connected though.
I found the lag to be extremely troubling. I'm glad I didn't upgrade, and I sure hope Mackie is working on this.
I will not upgrade until this is addressed.
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Me too >:(
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All these people are unwilling to upgrade. The White noise problem was probably much smaller than we previously thought. (Being that MF 3.0 cures that issue.)
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It just might be that the lag effects more of us than the white noise did
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The white noise affects more audiences than the lag effects. (My take.)
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My white noise problem has never affected an audience as I simply never go there, I use airplay or an ipod instead. EQ lag is not acceptable, most people are going to need to tune EQ during performances and it has to be done slowly and accurately if you aren't going to upset the performance.
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The one thing I have noticed is that when im not connected to the
1608 and just sitting playing offline with the program, or setting up a show in advance,
the peq seems fine. No lag and very responsive.
Once I sync to the mixer, and am actually controlling the show with the iPad the lag occurs.
This happens whether I'm remote from the mixer or with the iPad docked.
Is this typical with everyone else and this is a communication /wireless issue ?
Even offline I still notice a wait period of a few seconds when a channel EQ selection button is pressed
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I tried MF3 for a few days at home, the lag was bad both offline and connected, no difference I was aware of.
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I tried MF3 for a few days at home, the lag was bad both offline and connected, no difference I was aware of.
Hi Sam,
Do you think that MF 3.0.1 would run better on an iPad Air? I know that would be an expensive proposition to have to buy a new iPad.
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iPad Air docked running 3.01 is perfectly responsive. I have yet to notice the lag people are talking about.
My original Mini on wifi is a little slower, but certainly usable.
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I would like to see video's of the "lag" or lack of it. Not upgrading my hardware at this time. I can live with the "lag" on my ipad 2 and ipad mini. There is some there, but it's not slowing me down enough to worry about.
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Agreed, its not unusable by any stretch of the imagination. I have done quite a few gigs now with it and I am really struggling to see MF3 as unusable, though I did caveat that in another post with the fact that there is a definite inconsistency in how it performs on different hardware, iOS versions and possibly even other apps / files installed on the iPads.
I'll see if I can do a film of MF3.0.1 running on my iPad2.
I should probably try and hook up with Sam Spoons to compare experiences... in fact I was in Manchester city centre with all my gear last night, though it was all packed in my car to go to a gig in St Helens :-D
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I think the lag thing got overblown completely
Most of the time the lag occurs when there are things wrong with/on the ipad
Mostly it has to do with setting or open apps,
Yes ive seen the lag myself, but the strangest is that this was the worst the first time i used mf3
Later it seems that i change something on my ipad2 that it mostley dissapaerd.
Switching from faders to eq or dynamics is slower but the ipad has also todo a lot of more work.
I used mf3 now for 10 shows didnt have any problems with it.
If you want a better produkt or faster mayby u should spend more money on an other mixer
Price/Quality the mackie is a good simple mixer
If u want a better than good mixer u need to pay mostly more than $ 2500,00 analoge
Better than good digital mixers mostley u need to pay over $ 5000,00
Seems people on the internet can only do complaning about produkt or that other produkt are better cheaper
Let face the fact that all cheap digital mixers will have problems
If cant live with this dont buy it and stop winning, otherwise enjoy the freedom of these gadgets stop
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The lag issue is certainly not overblown by anyone saying it's unusable. The program is usable as there is a work around by using the vintage eq mode.
Those on this forum are relatively intelligent people, and we know to turn off the other apps that might be currently running on our devises, this has been discussed numerous times here. I for one, have this on a dedicated iPad with minimal other apps as its dedicated to the 1608 exclusively. And yes, it's an ipad3 with ample capacity.
It has NOTHING to do with spending more money on a mixer, either analog or digital. The MF software worked perfect on V.2, there was no lag either on accessing the eq section or in operating the PEQ functions. The disconnect came with the implementation of V.3 it's obviously a problem inherent to that version and it's an issue that mackie needs to resolve. Just like the white noise issue in the previous version was brought to the attention of Mackie/Loud by users of forums such as this one, this issue of the lag is being made known so they can work on the solution. Bringing up a flaw in a program is certainly not whining "winning", so get your story straight.
As we speak, I am downloading to YouTube a display of the lag, and will post the link after it is active. Others have already done this for our benefit.
Go to YouTube and search for Mackie v.3 lag
Sorry about the lousy production value since its 5:00 AM here and I'm trying to not wake up the rest of the household and holding one iPad while trying to move the faders is a little tricky.
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Excellent. Your video gives us something objective to compare.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8bOPMZkqL-8
Unusable is in the eye of the beholder, so I won't quibble with you there. I have mixed on hardware digital mixers that were less responsive. My mini, which has essentially the same processor as your 3, is approximately twice as responsive as what I'm seeing in your video. I use vintage comp, but modern EQ. Some apps just don't do well on the 3, which has a rather underpowered GPU for its retina screen. As Master Fader and the DL get more features, they will likely run slower and require faster hardware. Apps are like that.
Good luck in your quest. It's working just fine here.
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My ipad mini is also more responsive than your video. (Not the retina display version.) Am I correct it that it seems that changing the frequency is less responsive than changing the intensity of the selected frequency? (Follows up and down better than side to side.) Gonna ask, is there a screen protector mounted on this ipad? Seems I've heard that it either hurts or helps if there is one. I'm assuming that you've installed it at least twice to make sure it was in correctly. Wonder if some of those other programs that you decided to not install, might help to have there? Personally can't picture using anybody elses software, but there could be some background modification of the OS from one. (Seems unlikely.)
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The lag issue is certainly not overblown by anyone saying it's unusable. The program is usable as there is a work around by using the vintage eq mode.
Those on this forum are relatively intelligent people, and we know to turn off the other apps that might be currently running on our devises, this has been discussed numerous times here. I for one, have this on a dedicated iPad with minimal other apps as its dedicated to the 1608 exclusively. And yes, it's an ipad3 with ample capacity.
It has NOTHING to do with spending more money on a mixer, either analog or digital. The MF software worked perfect on V.2, there was no lag either on accessing the eq section or in operating the PEQ functions. The disconnect came with the implementation of V.3 it's obviously a problem inherent to that version and it's an issue that mackie needs to resolve. Just like the white noise issue in the previous version was brought to the attention of Mackie/Loud by users of forums such as this one, this issue of the lag is being made known so they can work on the solution. Bringing up a flaw in a program is certainly not whining "winning", so get your story straight.
As we speak, I am downloading to YouTube a display of the lag, and will post the link after it is active. Others have already done this for our benefit.
Go to YouTube and search for Mackie v.3 lag
Sorry about the lousy production value since its 5:00 AM here and I'm trying to not wake up the rest of the household and holding one iPad while trying to move the faders is a little tricky.
Since I only use Vintage Mode, it's not an issue for me, but if you are using this for major events and relying on it for fine EQ work, then it's intolerable and has to be addressed bar none. I hope BenO is lurking and seeing the evidence for himself.
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Uhh, just watched the video. Yes it was slow, but not exactly "un-useable" IMHO.
I had much slower response in all aspects from my docked iPad 1 way back in MF1.x!
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Just watched the video. And then decided to compare to MF2.1.1 on an original iPad. The difference is negligible. Moving along, people. Nothing to see here.
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I think we are all in agreement it's far from unusable.
More like we got used to drinking good wine with dinner every night and then the
waiter decided to switch us to Boones Farm. ;)
For you youngsters and folks overseas, that was a cheap wine, all we could afford as kids
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My friends MF 3 ran slower and less responsive than the one in the video. I would rate it as barely useable. But my MF 2 runs seamlessly and smooth, with instantaneous response on both my iPad 1 and 2.
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Some times it's worse then the video shows. I would just let your friend know to switch to vintage eq for the time being. If you don't need the new features, stay with MF2.1
I am willing to trade the slower response to keep the new features as the subgroupings are pretty
helpful for me.
If you want to see slow response and lack of control, turn on the Browns game and check out their offense!
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If you want to see slow response and lack of control, turn on the Browns game and check out their offense!
ROFLMAO!!!!
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Interesting, my iPad 2 is a lot more response in the EQ section than the video kindly posted by Nottooloud. The plot thickens... why is it so inconsistent between users? There has to be more to this than just poor programming of the MF3 application.
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Interesting, my iPad 2 is a lot more response in the EQ section than the video kindly posted by Nottooloud.
That's Rdmitch's video, I just posted the link.
It's common for the iPad2 to be faster than a 3 in a graphic intensive app. Similar CPU, but way fewer pixels on the screen. The iPad3 is considered a bit of a cockup. The next one had enough GPU to properly drive the retina display.
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Interesting, my iPad 2 is a lot more response in the EQ section than the video kindly posted by Nottooloud.
That's Rdmitch's video, I just posted the link.
It's common for the iPad2 to be faster than a 3 in a graphic intensive app. Similar CPU, but way fewer pixels on the screen. The iPad3 is considered a bit of a cockup. The next one had enough GPU to properly drive the retina display.
It seems to me that the graphics on the PEQ are much the same in MF2 & MF3 so shouldn't be any harder to drive. My ipad 3 has zero lag in MF2 the problem must be elsewhere. Bad programming?
Someone has posted in uservoice https://mackie.uservoice.com/forums/97035-dl-series/suggestions/6846373-address-the-delay-issues-in-mf3-and-non-lighting Maybe it's worth giving it some votes?
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They did manage to get rid of the white noise problem. That probably involved a serious rewrite of the basic app. Like all serious software problems, fixing one issue can easily cause another. (We had probably better be careful for what we want fixed. Fixing minor problems could cause some issues that none of us want to live with.) Don't believe me? Just realize that it took Microsoft nearly 20 years to seriously stabilize Windows. (It's current status.)
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I have a steam account and was just looking at one of the games that they just added a Mac version. The complaints sound so familiar. (Even if the product isn't.) People complaining that the product wasn't finished enough to distribute and unlike MF 3.x, they're saying it's crashing at level 3... We are so much luckier than that. This is a game that runs pretty well on my only Windows machine. (Game worthy.) I'm curious about how badly it's running on macs today. I've got a 2010 MacBook Pro. It will probably be unusable.
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y'know, now that i think about it, there was always that slight lag between changing something on the PEQ and hearing the change anyway!
maybe this lag is actually a little more accurate in terms of the display tracking the actual sound...
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Ran the game on my MacBook Pro and while usable, the lag is so bad that the game isn't fun. At least I'm able to stream this from my Windows machine. (Attached to the TV and my network.) Oh well, it's streaming Steam for me.
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That's Rdmitch's video, I just posted the link.
It's common for the iPad2 to be faster than a 3 in a graphic intensive app. Similar CPU, but way fewer pixels on the screen. The iPad3 is considered a bit of a cockup. The next one had enough GPU to properly drive the retina display.
Ahh, my bad... thanks for reposting and thanks to Rdmitch for doing the video :-)
Perhaps that's why the iPad3 was on sale for such a short space of time... need to stop looking at those on ebay then LOL
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They did manage to get rid of the white noise problem. That probably involved a serious rewrite of the basic app. Like all serious software problems, fixing one issue can easily cause another. (We had probably better be careful for what we want fixed. Fixing minor problems could cause some issues that none of us want to live with.) Don't believe me? Just realize that it took Microsoft nearly 20 years to seriously stabilize Windows. (It's current status.)
E-mailed iBloke the other day and he hasn't experienced the "White noise" since MF3. Appears that it's finally gone. :thu: Took 1.5 yrs to accomplish that. I also doubt it was any major rewrite, bug fix yes. Bet we'll never know, but then who cares or as iBloke put it "Very VERY happy about this as I now have the 16 channel mixer I paid for. Not a 14 channel mixer plus the 2 channels required for background music.". Wynnd I wish you wouldn't try to rewrite computer history. NT5 (XP) with SP3 is quite stable and that's about 6yrs of development. Don't blame the operating system for crappy App's. Most were either fixed or died on the vine.
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my ipad 3 is now so slow with MF3 on the parametrics especially that it's almost unusable! i slide my finger over and it's a good one second before the EQ band starts struggling to get where my finger is.
i thought maybe my ipad 3 was just not enough processor for the new app, until my friend showed me his ipad 2 with MF3, the parametric EQ bands just as zippy and responsive as ever.
just to come full-circle on this thread, my newly-acquired ipad air (1st gen) has no such trouble; maybe it really is just an issue with the ipad 3.
now to find out if it'll sync through the lightning adapter into the 2-foot cablejive 30-pin cable...
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I have the same lag issues on iPad 2 and 3 so I don't believe it's a nature of the iPad model.
I will be trying a iPad min2 later this week to see how it reacts. I may decide to keep the iPad mini as a remote
unit and just leave the regular iPad docked
In any case ,the iPads both worked
fine in the previous MF version, no lag of any type so the problem stems from the new app.
But let us know how the 30 pin to lightning adaptor works out. the official Apple adaptor is about
$ 40.00. For the same price I can buy the DL to a lightning kit retrofit .
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I've used the small 30 pin to lightning addapter. (No cable on that one.) Works fine. I've also noticed some lag on the PEQ modern, but it doesn't bother me. I rarely do much with that after an event or gig starts. (I run my system very flat overall. So outside of a HPF, much of my PEQ is flat across the board.)
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I recently traded my ageing iPad 3 in on a nice new iPad Air 2 and the "lag" difference is night and day.
iPad 3 became almost unusable with MF3 on the modern PEQ screen. I've seen a YouTube video of this and mine was just as bad.
Screen transitions were also terribly slow.
And just scrolling back and forth on the mixer view was jerky. Not nice to use at all. MF2 was much smoother graphically.
iPad Air 2 is smooth as silk. Virtually zero lag, and swapping between screens is also super fast.
I'm very happy about the UI graphics improvements with the IP Air 2. I feel reasonably "future proofed" for at a cupola years, at which point I'll be ready to upgrade my iPad again anyway.
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That is good news but what annoys me is that there is no reason why MF3 should be so bad, if it's only a GPU thing then why didn't it show up on MF2, the GEQ in particular is identical graphically to the one in MF2. I could live with less eye-candy to have a functioning app TBH though I still think MF is the best looking app out there.
Either way I've made the decision to buy an X32 Rack to go with the X32 Compact, the DL is sadly up for sale but if it fails to sell for a sensible price I may keep it (and soldier on with MF2 for as long as possible) until it becomes impossible (or they sort MF3).
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Totally feel your pain, and have said many times that it worked fine (the peq graphics) before so it should be reasonable that they can make it work now.
If the was in the position to switch to a different mixer like the X32, I would look at the net cost. Since I already have the DL and iPads are pretty easy to sell on eBay and Craigslist I would look at switching to a iPad air. The net cost would be about $300.00. And I end up with the system I want, fully functional..
If I bought into the X32 (which I really like the fx and nice app), the investment with cable adapters would be about $500.00 if you sold the DL for maybe 400.00. At least you already have some behringer items so integration of the two would be pretty seamless for you.
While I would hate to spend anything to fix the system, sometimes it's just a necessary evil.
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I'm not selling because of MF3 issues, the DL is (as I've said many times) a great little mixer. But, I already have an X32 Compact, bought as I needed more channels for some gigs (and wanted some real faders for the bigger gigs) and it makes more sense to buy an X32 Rack to act as a stagebox rather than an S16 (and I also get a backup mixer that way). The Rack will then do everything the DL will (all be it in a bigger box) so, while I would like to keep the DL I'll find it hard to justify owning both.
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So, 3.02. Everybody happy now?
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So, 3.02. Everybody happy now?
Modern EQ is still a little laggy on my iPad 2. Only use Vintage, so no issue for me. It was always good. Everything else does seem to be a bit more responsive overall. Now I don't have to retire my iPad 2 just yet. Phew! ;)
Good Work Mackie and BenO. :thu:
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Won't actually get to use it before Sunday. I was pretty happy before. I'm just hoping that people who complain and don't even own one of the DL mixers will finally quit complaining. (That will never happen. Of course they will take the smallest complaint and blow it totally out of proportion so everything seems like the worst piece of S***. I still think these people are taking paychecks from some other company.) Anyway, it's obvious that Mackie hasn't given up on the entire DL series and still working on making things better. I'm a person who upgrades my Macbook in the first week a new OS is available. (I'm backed up and not doing anything mission critical on my laptop.) That way I give it a running test before my Wife who avoids any upgrades is forced to on her macbook.
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I will do the upgrade tomorrow since its a no gig weekend. I look forward to seeing the results and sure would like to be one to send a big kudo to the Mackie people. Since I swapped to an ipad air I really don't have an issue unless I use the ipad 3 as a 2nd mix surface.
As Wynnd said, those who don't own this devise, or use it regularly really don't get a chance to experience the problems firsthand.
Using the app on the ipad is a bit different then when it's connected to the mixer, and certainly different than running live where a second of feedback is like a eternity. I certainly welcome some of their comments, and a lot of great points have been made here by folks that don't own a DL....but I always have to remember to pay a little bit more heed to the weekend warriors using the DL series and the senior guys on this forum who always flabbergast me with their knowledge of stuff I will NEVER understand.
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I used to own an iPad 3 which generally worked smooth as silk on MF2, but It became an almost unusable and hideously laggy experience on MF3.
I traded in my iPad 3 on a new iPad Air2 and the lagginess vanished.
I also have an iPad mini 2 permanently docked which generally ran ok on MF 3 and up to MF 3.0.1
There was still some various sluggish performance compared to MF2 but it was useable.
I updated to MF 3.0.2 a few hours ago and there is a very noticeable improvement in performance.
I directly compared both iPads. iPad mini 2 with MF 3.0.2 was just as smooth and fast as iPad Air 2 with MF 3.0.1 so it's pretty obvious Mackie has made some performance improvements
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It sounds like the ipad 3 users suffered the most from the PEQ lag. I've only got an ipad 2 and early ipad mini. Probably the ipad 3 users will see the greatest improvement.
I would love for Mackie to rename My Fader to Personal Fader so we can easily use MF and PF for the respective apps. (No serious programming involved.)
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Well what's with all the noise 3.02 is marginally better in the EQ section but swiping channels is still choppy. You can see double lines in the fader area, something not noticeable in 2.1.1. This is still under iOS 7.1.2 on a iPad 3. The simple fix for the scale numbers to white and getting rid of the Glow and Grow not to obscure the positioning needs to be done. Replace the Grow and Glow with a simple color change to indicate contact with the fader etc. , a no-brainer. That's for starters. As I read it now Mackie basically eliminated the 30 pin version and you best be careful as to which lightning version you use. Great job BenO.
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getting rid of the Glow and Grow not to obscure the positioning needs to be done. Replace the Grow and Glow with a simple color change to indicate contact with the fader etc. , a no-brainier.
Couldn't agree more. That's probably the main issue I have left. There's are features I would like, but I've got everything I need.
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Nice improvement of the PEQ screen draw indeed. However no reverb fix and I have no faith that there will ever be, of which is most disappointing given the 2 plus years of DL 1608/806 sales and only to be disgracefully implemented in the DL32R. And yes, I handed over U.S. currency for a DL1608 which should qualify my opinion as an owner/user. Rant over.
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I'm going to spend some time trying to find a reverb setting that is useful. Found a delay setting that I like. Will get back with any worthwhile results.
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I have been running AltiSpace off the 30pin connector on my old iPhone 4 , routing send 6 to USB 1+2 ( could also have used the reverb send but i use it for snare ) and return on the iPad channel , sounds pretty amasing
It also works on my DL32r via camera connector kit but only on lightning equiped iPone/iPad's and takes up the USB connector so that i can't record (at the same time)
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I have been running AltiSpace off the 30pin connector on my old iPhone 4 , routing send 6 to USB 1+2 ( could also have used the reverb send but i use it for snare ) and return on the iPad channel , sounds pretty amazing.
Dunno if Mackie reads this thread - but I suggest they don't try this is it will majorly bum them out compared to their "meh" 'verbs :-[ .
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but whats the point hauling a 12 kg M5000 when the mixer is 4.5 kg and you can get a good convolution for 10$ and run it from an old phone 😃
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if you find a good setting internal to the DL perhaps we can share via Dropbox.
or I guess we could take a screenshot picture and post it then others can copy the
settings.
I would prefer to use what is available and not deal with external devices. The idea with the
DL was to reduce wiring and outboard gear.
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I uploaded the newer version to an ipad3 which is where I had the most problems, I did not load it into the mixer yet but had a chance to play a bit with the app. I do see a improvement in the PEQ and would say it's more than slightly better. Actually, it seems a lot more responsive and I'm quite pleased with what I see. Over the weekend I will get a chance to mess a bit more with it using it as a remote only. if it works equally as well when connected to the mixer I would be a happy camper......or at least until I find something else to whine about.
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I have been running AltiSpace off the 30pin connector on my old iPhone 4 , routing send 6 to USB 1+2 ( could also have used the reverb send but i use it for snare ) and return on the iPad channel , sounds pretty amasing
It also works on my DL32r via camera connector kit but only on lightning equiped iPone/iPad's and takes up the USB connector so that i can't record (at the same time)
Can you run that by me again? You're doing this on a DL1608 how? Wow!
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Can you run that by me again? You're doing this on a DL1608 how? Wow!
http://cacophony.aspinock.com/index.php?topic=810.0
I'll put that in the FAQ :) .
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I'm going to spend some time trying to find a reverb setting that is useful. Found a delay setting that I like. Will get back with any worthwhile results.
That's the spirit! I spent a half hour or so twiddling around with the reverb, and was able to come up with some very usable sounds. One of the bands I regularly do sound for has a female vocalist and they do a couple of Jefferson Airplane tunes. I've got a preset for her that about nails the classic sound from White Rabbit.
I've got a couple of other presets, too, that are very usable in club settings. Yes, it took a little bit of work, but I'd've done that with any digital reverb I bought, because out of the box, they all sound like garbage.
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Take a screen shot of the reverb page and post the pic. I can use some cool reverbs since mine pretty much suck
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wow, hadn't realized there was an update (it's actually been a little while since i've used the mixer);
that parametric screen display is now freakishly fast on my 1st gen ipad air!
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Can you run that by me again? You're doing this on a DL1608 how? Wow!
http://cacophony.aspinock.com/index.php?topic=810.0
I'll put that in the FAQ :) .
Thanks RR, will give that a go ;)
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Take a screen shot of the reverb page and post the pic. I can use some cool reverbs since mine pretty much suck
I will, next time I'm working on reverbs. Maybe a new sticky topic could be created to hold those screen shots....
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I have been running AltiSpace off the 30pin connector on my old iPhone 4 , routing send 6 to USB 1+2 ( could also have used the reverb send but i use it for snare ) and return on the iPad channel , sounds pretty amasing
It also works on my DL32r via camera connector kit but only on lightning equiped iPone/iPad's and takes up the USB connector so that i can't record (at the same time)
Can you run that by me again? You're doing this on a DL1608 how? Wow!
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I have been running AltiSpace off the 30pin connector on my old iPhone 4 , routing send 6 to USB 1+2 ( could also have used the reverb send but i use it for snare ) and return on the iPad channel , sounds pretty amasing
It also works on my DL32r via camera connector kit but only on lightning equiped iPone/iPad's and takes up the USB connector so that i can't record (at the same time)
Can you run that by me again? You're doing this on a DL1608 how? Wow!
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Can you run that by me again? You're doing this on a DL1608 how? Wow!
http://cacophony.aspinock.com/index.php?topic=810.0
I'll put that in the FAQ :) .
Thanks RR, will give that a go ;)
Works great so far on ip4, ip6 and my mini. Awesome discovery!!
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I have been running AltiSpace off the 30pin connector on my old iPhone 4 , routing send 6 to USB 1+2 ( could also have used the reverb send but i use it for snare ) and return on the iPad channel , sounds pretty amasing
It also works on my DL32r via camera connector kit but only on lightning equiped iPone/iPad's and takes up the USB connector so that i can't record (at the same time)
VERY SLICK TRICK INDEED ! Applause
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Shame there wasn't an effect in the arsenal that could fix my gammy throat tonight!
Daughter off school for two days now, me n Mrs Curry both have it now.
Not my best performance tonight for sure, hope no one is taping it!!!!
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Shame there wasn't an effect in the arsenal that could fix my gammy throat tonight!
Not gonna lip-sync to tracks like the pros do? ;)
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Shame there wasn't an effect in the arsenal that could fix my gammy throat tonight!
Not gonna lip-sync to tracks like the pros do? ;)
Dammit, should have thought of that. Too late now, roll on Saturday night and lots of meds n stuff between now and 10pm...,
The joys of being self employed :facepalm:
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Btw. If Mackie can't "fix" the reverb, they should be promoting the fact that the DL has the ability to do this.
Like I said before, I got by ok with the built in reverbs but once you hear the convolution verbs, the old one just gets muted. Anyone seen an ADT effect out there anywhere? One of my go to FX on my QU....
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AltiSpace has the 480 voice doubler
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Shame there wasn't an effect in the arsenal that could fix my gammy throat tonight!
Not gonna lip-sync to tracks like the pros do? ;)
Dammit, should have thought of that. Too late now, roll on Saturday night and lots of meds n stuff between now and 10pm...,
The joys of being self employed :facepalm:
Or a vocal harmonizer with auto tune? I for sure would need auto tune :facepalm: Actually they pay me not to sing. ;)
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Or a vocal harmonizer with auto tune?
You can laugh, but there are several available that run on the iPhone.
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Or a vocal harmonizer with auto tune?
You can laugh, but there are several available that run on the iPhone.
It's actually very cool that there are so many apps for just about anything on iOS Devices. I think it's wonderful!
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I am a newbie and read about the lag but when messing with at home I had no lag. I get to the gig and once I was all connected lag city. Does it make a difference if the Ipad is docked or running on a router?
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I am a newbie and read about the lag but when messing with at home I had no lag. I get to the gig and once I was all connected lag city. Does it make a difference if the Ipad is docked or running on a router?
Hey Troy,
Theoretically it shouldn't to my mind. MF 2.X showed no difference docked or wireless. 3.X ? I hope the more learned here can chime in on this one?
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It really does not make any difference.
The upgrade to 3.0.2 made a huge difference on my system and seemed to alleviate the problem.
Reminder....if you are in need of the My Fader app on your phone, don,t do the upgrade. Just
Live with the lag until the new my fader is tested and any bugs removed.
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I am a newbie and read about the lag but when messing with at home I had no lag. I get to the gig and once I was all connected lag city. Does it make a difference if the Ipad is docked or running on a router?
I would assume you tried it unconnected at home. Then adding more to the function like communicating with the DL I would expect it to be slower. If you also have communications retry's that would account for the various reportings of differing speeds on here. Then again someones "lag city" could be an-others "race track". Clearly throwing speedier iPads at it solves the problem for now. With iOS 9 just around the corner all bets are off. :)
Maybe they'll copy M$ and call it iOS 10 ;D
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but whats the point hauling a 12 kg M5000 when the mixer is 4.5 kg and you can get a good convolution for 10$ and run it from an old phone 😃
and for even less now : https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/altispace-convolution-reverb/id870386229?mt=8&ign-mpt=uo%3D8
and another at similarly priced discounted sale : https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/audioreverb/id670248970?mt=8&ign-mpt=uo%3D8
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This is great. Downloaded Audioreverb, I chose this one because it runs on ios5 and I have an iphone 3gs. Works fine on the phone but when it's docked on the DL the signal goes in but nothing comes back. Any ideas anyone? On the ipad3 it works perfectly and sounds so much better than Mackies half arsed emulation of the batcave and it's only €3.99! Maybe Mackie should buy their algorithms!
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MF 3.X is usable as it is now and my perceived perception of the lag on my iPad 2 is not a deal breaker. I guess the big issue is, do you keep spending more money to make improvements, or just be content with what you have? I can even live with running forever on MF 2.X if I choose. MF 3.X is more feature rich.
For me the money right now is more important than updating the gear. No new iPad this year. “If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it.” How many new iPads do you have to throw at it before your reasonably priced, good working platform becomes a money pit?
Whining is very habit forming indeed! :-[
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KM IIRC you don't own that DL you're using so why spend any of your money to upgrade it? It's the schools so let them fund the upgrade it's the least they can do for your free services. Been there myself. I trust that they did buy an iPad when they acquired the DL. They could reuse it for non-time-critical apps and give you a iPad Air 2.
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I don't have any interest in upgrading my ipads at this time. I also don't have a problem with how they run Master Fader 3.x (They have all worked well enough for my likes.) ipad 2 and early ipad mini. So as far as throwing money at the DL, it's not happening. The software upgrades have been free. (And I would have gladly paid for them.) So outside of my original ipad purchase and my subsequent mini purchase, there hasn't been any other DL purchases. I also have an iphone 4S and have just purchased an iphone 6. (Works with my hearing aids and I'm interested in Apple Pay.) So I'm waiting on My Fader 3.x release for those. (Will mostly be used for airplay and monitor settings.) So for me, the DL hasn't been a money pit either. (And some of the devices I purchased for use with my MixWiz have been used with the DL. Did get rid of my external compressor/limiter/expander/gate.) I keep thinking about all the devices that I don't need because I have a DL1608. No external compressors or gates. got a 31 band EQ on all outputs. Those alone opened up at least 3 rack spaces. (Which will probably be filled with wireless mics and IEMs.)
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Hey, WK;
Oh how I wish. The Catholic Board here is very stingy unfortunately. And the school personal, I get the impression that they think that what I do is Voodoo with their DL and sound. They don't know a mixer from a "mixer". No clue. So I'll just keep doing with what I have. Now they do give me a small compensation at the end of every school year, that theoretically I can roll back into new gear, like an iPad. Wink Wink! I enjoy the volunteer work and it does keep me out of trouble, mostly. ;)
Hey Wynnd,
I agree with you about not upgrading, it does get costly. And running their DL with either MF version, is pretty much all I need, to do the venues at the school and occasional outside gigs. They always let me borrow it. So I guess that's also compensation for the work I do for them too.
Can't promise that I won't whine here now and then, but will try to keep it to a minimum ;) But don't hold your collective breath. :lol:
PS: Master Fader 3.X is cooler though, even with the "lag" <=== :angel:
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Keyboard magic. You ought to find someone to train on the DL there. You should have a viable backup if you get sick and they need a backup in case you're killed in an accident. I really need a second backup for myself. The guy I work with from time to time has a girlfriend in France and spends more time there every year. (3 months this current trip.)
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Keyboard magic. You ought to find someone to train on the DL there. You should have a viable backup if you get sick and they need a backup in case you're killed in an accident. I really need a second backup for myself. The guy I work with from time to time has a girlfriend in France and spends more time there every year. (3 months this current trip.)
Hey Wynnd,
Yes, you are right. Certainly not students for sure. There is one teacher that used to do AV there, but a long while ago during a concert rehearsal, I was not available to set up my sound system. They knew to wait for me and it wasn't critical yet. The co-ordinator asked this guy to set up my speakers. When I walked in, One of my cabs was on a stand interconnected to the schools old Peavy System, what complete mess. I had to tear down his mess and start from scratch! And He was the AV Pro there. :facepalm:
But I'll certainly have to find someone that I can trust for sure though. Actually my wife can do it, but she's teaching all day. :)
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This is great. Downloaded Audioreverb, I chose this one because it runs on ios5 and I have an iphone 3gs. Works fine on the phone but when it's docked on the DL the signal goes in but nothing comes back. Any ideas anyone? On the ipad3 it works perfectly and sounds so much better than Mackies half arsed emulation of the batcave and it's only €3.99! Maybe Mackie should buy their algorithms!
In the FAQ here is a list of what iDevices work for music playback docked - I'm pretty sure it has to be a "4" or better, sorry :( .
Interesting that the signal goes in though - that implies you can record on a "3", dunno if anyone knew that before? I'll have to look up if "Voice Record Pro" will run on iOS5 ...
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Keyboard magic. You ought to find someone to train on the DL there. You should have a viable backup if you get sick and they need a backup in case you're killed in an accident. I really need a second backup for myself. The guy I work with from time to time has a girlfriend in France and spends more time there every year. (3 months this current trip.)
Hey Wynnd,
Yes, you are right. Certainly not students for sure. There is one teacher that used to do AV there, but a long while ago during a concert rehearsal, I was not available to set up my sound system. They knew to wait for me and it wasn't critical yet. The co-ordinator asked this guy to set up my speakers. When I walked in, One of my cabs was on a stand interconnected to the schools old Peavy System, what complete mess. I had to tear down his mess and start from scratch! And He was the AV Pro there. :facepalm:
But I'll certainly have to find someone that I can trust for sure though. Actually my wife can do it, but she's teaching all day. :)
Not my experience in 20 yrs. of school volunteering. I use to have a AVL (Audio, Video, Lighting group, this is middle school 6,7,8 grade) that I trained after school. I did get some ADD afflicted kids (dangerous situation around equipment and patience is a requirement for a show and concerts) and Hip-Hop wiseguy know it all, but rid myself of them. Left was a core group of talented, eager to learn trustworthy kids. I was also a Stagecrafter ( a club that handled classroom and auditorium equipment) from 7th grade on and we didn't let teachers near the equipment. :)
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As to the tightwad Catholic administration, there are ways to handle that. I held fundraisers specifically for the vocal music departments equipment and supplies and the target audience for the most part were the students and their parents. The last fundraiser was a Magician out of Vegas (he does volunteer work and also gets paid thru sponsors) Garry Carson (performed at the MGM Grand and other places). We grossed $11,000 and netted $7500. That bought a bit of gear, well after my wife gave a lot away to other departments it left $3500 ::).
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You guys amaze me by volunteering all your knowledge and time to help your schools and organizations. Plus find energy to help us all out here as well.
I do 3 charity shows a year for a few organizations and list it on my taxes as a donation.
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You guys amaze me by volunteering all your knowledge and time to help your schools and organizations. Plus find energy to help us all out here as well.
I do 3 charity shows a year for a few organizations and list it on my taxes as a donation.
Whatever you do to volunteer, always makes a big difference to many people! :thu: :thu:
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I do 3 charity shows a year for a few organizations and list it on my taxes as a donation.
Good luck with that, you might want to find a tax guy to explain to you why that doesn't work :( .
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Hopefully I won't get called on the carpet for it.. I get a receipt as a donation to the charity.
It's always a small amount, like $300.00 per show.
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I can't see why that wouldn't work over here (UK) but the tax relief on donations is usually paid to the charity. If you're a taxpayer they can claim the amount of tax back from the government. I suppose, in the paper trail the charity pay you $300 and you donate $300, the fact that the stack of bills in question didn't change hands is immaterial (but it must be shown in their accounts and yours and you would still pay the tax on the amount 'received'). Somebody tell us if I'm wrong here please :-\
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I don't know too mch about taxes in ANY country, but it was explained to me that whether it's cash, goods or services it's considered a donation. I think to considered a "donation in kind" As long as I get a receipt for the donation it's all on the up and up.....I hope
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That's definitely not how it works in the UK (at least not on a personal level, limited companies are different). A donation has to be money, goods, or something like shares, property and such like. Just giving a day of your time and expertise would not be acceptable. If you received payment and then subsequently donated the same amount back to the charity I guess that would be ok as long as the paper trail was complete.
edit :- to correct meaning "not"
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Tax receipts are always good to get, but I actually think the volunteering part is the most rewarding part. ;)
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Agreed...the personal reward is best. Would do it free anyway, the receipt is just a bonus.
I would never LAG ( trying to stay on topic) on helping those in need.
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Agreed...the personal reward is best. Would do it free anyway, the receipt is just a bonus.
I would never LAG ( trying to stay on topic) on helping those in need.
:thu: :thu: Lag? Very good, I love it! :lol:
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Agreed...the personal reward is best. Would do it free anyway, the receipt is just a bonus.
I would never LAG ( trying to stay on topic) on helping those in need.
:thu: :thu: Lag? Very good, I love it! :lol:
Gave up on that a long time ago. :facepalm: FX deserves a subject all it's own but I guess you can find in under lags. (delay I guess). Not to stress out RR.
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Hey Wynnd,
You mentioned a few times that you use MF on an iPad Mini. Just curious if it's still visually easy to run it on a smaller screen? I would think that the mini would be lighter to carry around at the gig as opposed to the iPad 2. I'm thinking of future ideas for the upcoming birthday in March, Fathers Day and next Christmas all rolled into one. Not for myself of course. :laugh:
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I tried the mini and it was just too small for me.
I'm used to a real analog board and the regular iPad was enough of a change, the mini was just too mini.
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Hey Wynnd,
You mentioned a few times that you use MF on an iPad Mini. Just curious if it's still visually easy to run it on a smaller screen? I would think that the mini would be lighter to carry around at the gig as opposed to the iPad 2. I'm thinking of future ideas for the upcoming birthday in March, Fathers Day and next Christmas all rolled into one. Not for myself of course. :laugh:
Depends on the job you do. If Its bad you probably want to hide. Who me I'm on a phone call. I like 20"-23" screens after all what's a pound or two to look important. :)
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Depends on the job you do. If Its bad you probably want to hide. Who me I'm on a phone call. I like 20"-23" screens after all what's a pound or two to look important. :)
That would be cool sitting just about anywhere in the venue and running the show from a 20 plus inch screen. Wouldn’t want to walk around with it too far, but still way cool though. I think we discussed large touch screen computers/tablets a while back. Come on Mackie, port MF to Android, Windows and Mac. Wishful thinking on my part?
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I've got a decent shoulder bag for the mini with a logitech keyboard that will hold the mini at an adjustable angle. If I have a table, it's very convenient. If not, I sometimes just grab the mini. I find it big enough to function. I dock my ipad 2. If I'm rehearsing or gigging the mini is more likely to have OnSong up on it. (Don't make too many changes while playing.) If I'm playing keys, the mixing stack is to my left within reach. Playing bass, the mixing stack is usually out of reach. I mixed mostly from my mini at the wedding reception I ran sound for about a week ago. (Tony Exum Jr's jazz group.) Was sitting down on the far side of the dance floor with the keyboard and mini in my lap.
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I've got a decent shoulder bag for the mini with a logitech keyboard that will hold the mini at an adjustable angle. If I have a table, it's very convenient. If not, I sometimes just grab the mini. I find it big enough to function. I dock my ipad 2. If I'm rehearsing or gigging the mini is more likely to have OnSong up on it. (Don't make too many changes while playing.) If I'm playing keys, the mixing stack is to my left within reach. Playing bass, the mixing stack is usually out of reach. I mixed mostly from my mini at the wedding reception I ran sound for about a week ago. (Tony Exum Jr's jazz group.) Was sitting down on the far side of the dance floor with the keyboard and mini in my lap.
Wynnd;
Thanks for your input! :thu: It's certainly something worth considering in the future, or when the planets align. ;)
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[...] you would still pay the tax on the amount 'received'
Exactly, you legally have to pay tax on the amount you "charged" them and then when you "give it back" you can deduct it - it's a net wash at best actually. But what folks here commonly do is deduct it without declaring the "income", so they profit from this tax fraud (unless/until caught).
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Hey Wynnd,
You mentioned a few times that you use MF on an iPad Mini. Just curious if it's still visually easy to run it on a smaller screen? I would think that the mini would be lighter to carry around at the gig as opposed to the iPad 2. I'm thinking of future ideas for the upcoming birthday in March, Fathers Day and next Christmas all rolled into one. Not for myself of course. :laugh:
I'm pretty short sighted but much prefer to use the mini when I'm doing FOH. I have both ipads in sleeve360 cases that strap firmly onto my hand and after using the mini the 3 seems heavy and unwieldy. I have no problems with the size of the mini's screen despite having fat fingers. On the other hand when I'm playing drums I have the mini to my left clamped to the overhead mic stand and I do have a problem seeing it clearly. The band has three multi instrumentalists who are forever changing instruments so I just have a view group of them on it for muting/unmuting and the 3 sits on my right on a flight case and I pick it up when I need to adjust something else.
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And on a motorcycle trip, the ipad mini takes over all my internet access, e-mail, and Skype duties while taking up a very small portion of the saddlebag. I don't carry my MacBook with me anymore for that. (Even without my laptop bag, the mini bagged is half the size of the laptop.)
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Thank you one and all for the input on the iPad Mini. :thu: :thu: And the mini 2 and 3 have the A7 CPU and double the system memory of the iPad 2. So theoretically they should have no trouble overcoming any perceived lag running MF 3.X. These are now on my Wishful List. Of course when the money becomes available too. :lol:
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Since the new iPad upgrade there have been no issues with lag.
Have only had a few small easy gigs so far, but this weekend I have 2 real jobs with full blown
Bands, 4 aux mixes and the pressure will really be on. I'm hoping for the best since its 2 new bands
and if I don't screw it up they will be my 2015 weekend income providers.
I have already preprogrammed the shows for both as well as anticipated aux mixes.i think the DL will perform
Lag free.
I'm am definitely not switching to a lightning connector DL that would be insane, you can buy the adaptor to make the 30 pin DL into a lightning connection for $40.00 or buy an adaptor cable. I'm using the adaptor cable,now and it works just fine.
I plan on locking my older iPad 2 into the DL and keeping the new iPad strictly for remote mixing I just have to clear off all the old crap and apps from the old iPad,chow load a mess of songs for break time and then I'm good to go.
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I was able to get my hands on two new iPads for "testing". A mini-2 and an AIR. Of course as all things go, I have not had a gig until this coming weekend so my ipad2 will stay docked and I'll try both new devices out in the crowd. Full blown band with three monitor mixes so a good test for sure.
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I'm keeping my fingers crossed for you but think you will be pleasantly surprised.
I did 2 jobs a few weeks ago and 1 last week. No problem at all, I even took the iPad 2 off
the mixer and used it remotely without any issues.
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So here's what I witnessed. My ipad2 was docked for all of the performances(two tribute bands alternating sets) I used a new Mini to mix from the crowd. The new Mini was rock solid and responsive. There were some cases where I had a bit of lag but nothing that could not be managed. The docked ipad2 on the other hand, would re-sync randomly all night. Airplay did not work at all when MF was open from any device.
I called Mackie about the sync issue and they suggested that I force the DL to take another SW download. I'm about to try that but its looking more like I'm going to have to upgrade the L to accept my air and retire the ipad2
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My Air still resyncs on my upgraded third DL1608.
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I used MF3 for the first time over the weekend. Yes it's very good but definitely less intuitive than MF2. I also found it slow to respond to page changes on my iPad 3 and sometimes seems to hang for a short while. OTOH the GEQ is perfect ally workable now and the extra facilities are great. I'll try to do a comparison between the iPad 2 and iPad 3 this week to see if one responds more quickly.
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can you use the mini attached to the mixer and use the ipad 2 as a remote mixer ?
I would prefer the bigger I pad as the remote since the screen is larger.
I have never noticed any issue with re syncing and have an ipad 2 attached to the mixer and use an ipad air 2 remotely. But then again, I never look at the mixer once the gains are set. I just keep the remote with me and find a good vantage spot out front to park my butt.
Is there any notable sound issue when it goes thru a re sync ?
The found the Ipad 2 to be better than the ipad 3. The 3 has a retina display so it soaks up a bit more computing power off the chip to run the graphics.
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I would prefer the bigger I pad as the remote since the screen is larger.
I have never noticed any issue with re syncing and have an ipad 2 attached to the mixer and use an ipad air 2 remotely. But then again, I never look at the mixer once the gains are set. I just keep the remote with me and find a good vantage spot out front to park my butt.
Is there any notable sound issue when it goes thru a re sync ?
I always use my mini for the remote. Much easier to hold and use while walking around, fits in a coat pocket so I don't have to find a place to put it down, controls are still plenty big even for my 57 year old eyes.
Resync is usually very brief, and nothing changes in the sound. You just don't have control for a few seconds. My theory is that the resyncs are actually very common but that people just don't see them because, like you, they're not watching the mixer.
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I've gotten so used to the docked iPad resyncing that I just don't worry about it any more. It doesn't affect either recording or playing music. The Behringer X-Air doesn't even have a wired option for the iPad so the DL1608 being somewhat flaky on the docked iPad isn't a negative IMO.
And using the iPad Mini remotely is a lot easier than carrying around the full sized one - especially because mine are in big, bulky cases (Griffin Survivors).
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If your trying to use the XR18 then here's my suggested preference of tablets. x86 based PC tablet, Android based tablet and last a iPad. This may not fit your collection but you had no choice on the DL.
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Back on topic 'cos I've just done my third gig with MF3. The iPad3/iOS7 was ok (but not great) on the first two gigs last week but incredibly unresponsive, both wired and wifi (couldn't check if it was defaulting to 2.4GHz) freezing and being laggy tonight. The iPad2/iOS8 was much better tonight but I didn't use it much as I only had a single 45 min set to mix. I think I'll revert to MF Classic as I suspect the older iPads and MF3 are not happy bedfellows and I don't need the extra facilities MF3 offers (didn't use them last week or tonight). Actually, I'll probably use an old version of MF2.1.1 I have stored somewhere, does anybody know where the old shows are stored by MF2? I can start again from scratch but it would be nice to not have to.
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Note: Master Fader Classic is now available at the app store in itunes. (Version 2.1.1. Use with My Fader 2.1.1) We asked for access to version 2.1.1 and Mackie has come through.
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I've installed MF Classic on my iPad 2 and I noticed the difference immediately. There's no lag! No re sync screens( I ran it for the better part of the day). I have a gig on Saturday so that will be the real test.
AirPlay is still not working. Baby steps...
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One warning, The ipad white noise issue isn't fixed in this version. It can occur when playing music through the ipad channel. Most of use didn't ever have it happen to us, but that was something that was fixed with MF 3.x People that had it happen to them had the white noise at very loud volume. Airplay avoids this. Not playing music through the ipad channel also prevents this. So consider running Classic with the ipad channel muted.
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Note: Master Fader Classic is now available at the app store in itunes. (Version 2.1.1. Use with My Fader 2.1.1) We asked for access to version 2.1.1 and Mackie has come through.
Yup, definitely impressed :)
One warning, The ipad white noise issue isn't fixed in this version. It can occur when playing music through the ipad channel. Most of use didn't ever have it happen to us, but that was something that was fixed with MF 3.x People that had it happen to them had the white noise at very loud volume. Airplay avoids this. Not playing music through the ipad channel also prevents this. So consider running Classic with the ipad channel muted.
I never suffered so I'm probably ok. I doubt Mackie all go back and fix it now though.
Gonna spend the arvo conducting some iTunes jiggery-pokery to get my old, saved MF2.1.1 back just in case it allows me to recover my stored shows.
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When I upgraded to MF3 my shows from MF2 came along. Wondering if that could work in the other direction if you know the file name? (Keep forgetting it's an ipad and files are sometimes invisible.) Probably too much trouble right now, but if someone knows how to grab it, it might be useful.
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I've tried copying the "shows.DLshow"file but, I think Beno said, MF3 shows can't be loaded into MF Classic. What I'd like to know is are my deleted MF 2 shows lurking somewhere on my hard drive (maybe in the trash)? And what were the files called?
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If they're anywhere, they're in a saved backup of your ipad under itunes. If you delete all traces of 3.n, as has been discussed here someplace, find your backup copy of of 2.1.1 and get that into itunes, and then restore your iPad to an earlier backup that used that version, you might get your scenes back.
This won't work if you're installing the new Classic version, because it's actually a new app.
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Another approach is if you have a device in the corner somewhere that couldn't be upgraded to 3.0, like an iPad 1 or a Touch 4, it might still have your old scenes. Use the new Classic version to revert the firmware on your DL, and then sync it with your old device.
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One warning, The ipad white noise issue isn't fixed in this version. It can occur when playing music through the ipad channel. Most of use didn't ever have it happen to us, but that was something that was fixed with MF 3.x People that had it happen to them had the white noise at very loud volume. Airplay avoids this. Not playing music through the ipad channel also prevents this. So consider running Classic with the ipad channel muted.
Good point Wynnd!
Playing set break music from the docked iPad prior to MF3 resulted in the White noise thing for me every time.
I originally bought my DL1608 based on the features claimed by Mackie at the time.
Those specific features were being able to use ALL 16 channels (just enough) for mixing. And being able to play set break music from the docked iPad without sacrificing 2 productive mixer channels was the "deal maker" for me.
So it was VERY disappointing discovering that I couldn't use the docked iPad for set break music because of the White noise every time I tried to.
Enter MF3 and I've not had a single incident of White noise from the docked iPad. So I've finally got the 16 channel live mixer that I paid for in the first place. :thu:
I'm 100% happy with MF3, but I can empathise with those DL owners who want to use "classic" MF2 version due to graphic lag issues they have with MF3 (I don't have lag issues since updating my old iPad 3 to an iPad Air 2) but then find they are reverting to the master fader version that has the White noise issue built in.
Bit of a catch 22.
Anyway, thank you Mackie for giving those end users the option of downgrading to the earlier MF2 version.
I'll say that's 2 thumbs up for the right thing to do. Cheers Mackie :)
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If they're anywhere, they're in a saved backup of your ipad under itunes. If you delete all traces of 3.n, as has been discussed here someplace, find your backup copy of of 2.1.1 and get that into itunes, and then restore your iPad to an earlier backup that used that version, you might get your scenes back.
This won't work if you're installing the new Classic version, because it's actually a new app.
Brilliant, did that and it worked ;D
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Used 3.1 for the first time this last weekend. I used a new iPad mimi and wow what a lag. Furthermore I got lost a few times and had to shut the app right down to find the mixer page again. So bottom line I am done. I ordered up the Behringer XR18 and it should be here tomorrow. Sorry Mackie I loved that mixer for years. I must admit the form factor was beginning to get to me but that is that.
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Hi musicman7722,
I have been mixing digital for more than a decade, and for three years on an Ipad.
Last fall the lag on my Ipad 3 with the DL1608 basically put the mixer on very lightweight duties till Apple/Mackie got everything sorted out.
Everything has been working fine for months now.
With the lag and other issues you have with your Ipad Mini it sounds like you have some basic hardware or software fault in the mixer or Ipad.
If I were in your shoes I would want to check this out, in case problems transfer to the XR18.
Am guessing several of us will be interested to hear how the XR18 works for you.
If you want to send that old DL1608 to North Carolina I would be happy to pay shipping! : -)
Thanks and good health, Weogo
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Thank you for the reply. I won't rule out hardware issues on the "I" devices but I suppose it could be on the Mackie. I have lost the headphone out ability to drive a pair of headphones though it works fine as a line out in stereo to my IEM. Anyway the foot print it takes up is awkward for me onstage. i will let you all know my results on the Behringer which arrives tomorrow. If I like it I may sell the Mackie or keep it for backup, to soon to tell but seems the resale value is pretty low and that assumes it is fully functioning.
Cheers
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You didn't spend enough time with the app before doing a gig and shouldn't be blaming Mackie for that. The Master Fader app has about 1200 controls on it. That's more than 3 times the number of a MixWiz. (And unlike the MixWiz they are mostly hidden.) I suspect that other ipad apps have similar issues. Before you spend any more money, you ought to become intimate with the apps first.
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And don't expect perfection in the lowest price ranges of digital mixers. They all have quirks that you have to live with.
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My humblest apologies to all for wasting your time. :-[
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My humblest apologies to all for wasting your time. :-[
It's a drag that you have to move on to a different brand of mixer. I still maintain that MF 3.X has a lot more hardware requirements than 2.X and it does run as it should on the iPad Air 2. It does have the faster CPU and more onboard system memory to cope with MF 3.X. I don't really think that there's an issue with your iPad.
I think that you will have better luck running the XR though with your iPad. It's a nice mixer and the app is pretty good too. Fingers crossed for you! ;)
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I do look forward to a rackmount DL1608 (or DL2412 ? :) ) but to interest me it has to be a 2U shallow rack unit. The DL32R is too deep to fit with my gear, and the XR18 is too tall :( .
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Hi RoadRanger,
I too would be happy with a DL2412R IF it had freely assignable inputs to any and multiple channels, AND if it had 36 mix channels, like the DL32R.
I regularly double-assign channels, with one going to House, another to Monitors. This way I can not have compression on the monitor channels, and also, they monitor channels can have different EQ from the house channels, for instance if drastic cuts are needed to avoid feedback.
Thanks and good health, Weogo
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It would be awesome if Mackie could just have separateable EQ for the monitor mixes. But - I'm still waiting for them to implement the multiple tap points for the aux mixes that the X32 supports :( and per channel selectable like my Phonic S16 (dunno if the X32 has that?).
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It would be awesome if Mackie could just have separateable EQ for the monitor mixes.
I've never seen a mixer that had that as a feature. Y cables exist.
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It would be awesome if Mackie could just have separateable EQ for the monitor mixes.
I've never seen a mixer that had that as a feature. Y cables exist.
I've not seen dual eqs, either, though I have seen plenty of mixers that allowed sending the auxes pre-eq.
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My humblest apologies to all for wasting your time. :-[
Don't waste your time with an iPad on the XR18, it's a PC environment and it's still going thru it's growing pains. Android based would be my second choice. WiFi still has it's WiFi related problems no mater which mixer you use.
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Don't waste your time with an iPad on the XR18, it's a PC environment and it's still going thru it's growing pains.
For what it's worth, at the moment I'm primarily using my iPad w/ the XR18. Android would be my first choice, because the "Fine" fader option is excellent, but the mutes aren't working in mixer view, so not.
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It would be awesome if Mackie could just have separateable EQ for the monitor mixes.
I've never seen a mixer that had that as a feature. Y cables exist.
There are a number of digital mixers that allow you to assign an input to multiple channels, such as the Yamaha LS9, which means you can do two (possibly more) EQ mixes of the same source, then send them where you need them, i.e. FOH or monitors.
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Don't waste your time with an iPad on the XR18, it's a PC environment and it's still going thru it's growing pains.
For what it's worth, at the moment I'm primarily using my iPad w/ the XR18. Android would be my first choice, because the "Fine" fader option is excellent, but the mutes aren't working in mixer view, so not.
Yup but everything is working on the PC. The only workflow issue I have is with the individual DCA view, kinda defeats the purpose of DCA's. I suggested a solution to Be....
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On the multiple eq per channel mixers the XAP800 comes to mind. As long as you can live with 8 mic and 4 line inputs. You can run the mic inputs to a buss "O" etc. then run it thru a filter set (up to 8 ) with up to 15 filters, comp and delay and then route them to any and all of the 12 outputs. All this in less time than the DL. :)
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On the multiple eq per channel mixers the XAP800 comes to mind. As long as you can live with 8 mic and 4 line inputs. You can run the mic inputs to a buss "O" etc. then run it thru a filter set (up to 8 ) with up to 15 filters, comp and delay and then route them to any and all of the 12 outputs. All this in less time than the DL. :)
I wish I had a little more time to fiddle with my xap800, it's sitting looking at me with begging eyes, wanting me to plug something into it!
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I wish I had a little more time to fiddle with my xap800, it's sitting looking at me with begging eyes, wanting me to plug something into it!
My 3 went in the garbage after they each failed a different way in the same install. I replaced them with a Symmetrix and lost a bunch of money on the job.
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I wish I had a little more time to fiddle with my xap800, it's sitting looking at me with begging eyes, wanting me to plug something into it!
My 3 went in the garbage after they each failed a different way in the same install. I replaced them with a Symmetrix and lost a bunch of money on the job.
From what i remember you bought defective units, fans not working and it took it's toll.
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It would be awesome if Mackie could just have separateable EQ for the monitor mixes.
I've never seen a mixer that had that as a feature. Y cables exist.
SAC has a complete console for each send :)
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It would be awesome if Mackie could just have separateable EQ for the monitor mixes.
I've never seen a mixer that had that as a feature. Y cables exist.
If some company would like to have their mixer rise above the rest they need to add some unique features.
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It would be awesome if Mackie could just have separateable EQ for the monitor mixes.
I've never seen a mixer that had that as a feature. Y cables exist.
If some company would like to have their mixer rise above the rest they need to add some unique features.
At this point I'd just settle for one of them working as advertised. ;D