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Unofficial Mackie User Forums => DL1608/DL806/DL32R/ProDX Mixers => Topic started by: musicman7722 on December 04, 2014, 01:52:26 PM
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I have an older ipad, an iphone 4 and an iphone 5s. All three are running OS 8.1. The iphone 4 is only acting as an ipad as the iphone 5s is my actual phone. My ipad saw Mackie 3.0 as an update and installed perfectly. My phones however when I go to update can only see 2.1 in the app store? How bizarre, any ideas?
Chris
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My Fader 3.0 hasn't been released yet. Ben is hoping it will be out before the end of the year, but in life there are no sure bets. Mackie is working on it and My Fader 2.1.1 isn't compatible with Master Fader 3.0. If My Fader is mission critical in your life, then you need to be running Master Fader 2.1.1. (But you lose all those wonderful new toys that they put in.) There are instructions for going back to Master Fader 2.1.1 elsewhere on this site.
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The iphone 4 is only acting as an ipad as the iphone 5s is my actual phone.
Ah ... no, it 's acting like an iPhone with no phone service. A very different animal than an iPad - it can only run iPhone apps not iPad apps. An iPad can run both (generally).
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This is one of those times where I wished that they had named My Fader, Personal Fader instead. It would clear up a lot of too casual glance of the name.
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Since Master Fader was there first and shortened to MF I suggest we use MyF for My Fader. ;)
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Or perhaps NMF for now ;) ?
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Well you all have me confused, why is it my ipad installed it but not the phones if it isn't available yet? :eek:
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Well you all have me confused, why is it my ipad installed it but not the phones if it isn't available yet? :eek:
Damned good question...
I seem to remember the panic when there was a few hours between the release of Master and My Fader on a previous release. Guess we'll be seeing a lot of new (panicked) members here as folks Google for a solution ;) .
We can speculate that they absolutely had to release Master Fader when they did so they could start shipping the DL32R. Since the DL32R never had an iPhone app no prob 8) :facepalm:
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I'm expecting My Fader 3.0 to work with the DL32R when released. Guess the quick answer might be to port Master Fader to the iphone too. Might be the easy answer until My Fader is released. Wonder if it's the programmers that prevent it being considered? Maybe just a restriction on the App site? (I don't know enough about how the ipad and iphones are different outside of the phone.)
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Porting Master Fader to the iPhone's tiny screen would be a HUGE task IMO. I'm hoping My Fader will soon have pans available on stereo IEM mixes - a major peeve I have with it presently.
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Or perhaps NMF for now ;) ?
What's that for short No My Fader?
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Or perhaps NMF for now ;) ?
What's that for short No My Fader?
;)
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Or perhaps NMF for now ;) ?
Not Mackie's Fault? ;)
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Never Mackie's Fault. >:D
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Need more funds
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No More Faders
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Need more funds
:thu: :thu:
And to you Sam.... :thu: :thu:
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I posted this elsewhere but is there no simple roll back procedure? if not I may just throw this DL away and get a QSC. I have been very loyal, patient and quiet about this mixer but I have reached the end of my rope.
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I posted this elsewhere but is there no simple roll back procedure? if not I may just throw this DL away and get a QSC. I have been very loyal, patient and quiet about this mixer but I have reached the end of my rope.
This may already be redundant to you, but have you tried Mackie for a solution? Maybe even BenO? They are very eager to help, generally speaking. They might have a solution for you. I didn't update, but do understand your frustration. I would be ready to back my van over it at this point. I really hope you find your answer.
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If you don't have an older backup of your iPad pre 3.0, do you know anyone with an iPad running mf 2.1?
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I allowed a couple of people to try to install my MF2.1.1.ipa file and it didn't work. The install will only work with a version of MF2 from the same iTunes account the iPad is on so if you used a different iPad it would have to remain attached to the original account or the apps purchased on that account would cease to work. If you can find somebody with an iPad already running MF2 who would be prepared to let you use their iPad and/or iTunes account then that may work (but you would have to have your iPad associated with their iTunes library and not your own). Theoretically (I haven't tried this) it may be possible to add an iPad 1 to your account, the iPad 1 can't run iOS7 so would be forced to install MF2 then you may be able to install MF2 on any other iPads on the same account (after deleting MF3 from your iTunes library). I can't try this though and, while it would probably work with a borrowed iPad 1 which could subsequently be restored to it's former state, if you bought an iPad 1 for this purpose it would become redundant when you finally did update to MF3 (after all the bugs have been worked out). I have reverted to MF2 after trying MF3 but I already had MF2 in my iTunes and installed MF3 on one iPad direct from the app store and not via iTunes.
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I am totally in the soup, fearing a revolt from the band in protest of the 3.0 untimely upgrade that has disabled everyone's iPhones. I screwed up by allowing the update 2 hours before a gig last Saturday, only to find that a FIRMWARE update was also required. Now that my iPad and 1608 are updated there appears to be no way back to 2.0. Next gig is Jan 10 and I am truly sweating whether My Fader 3.0 will get released in time. It was very inconsiderate of Mackie to release Master Fader 3.0 WITHOUT My Fader ready to go at the same time. Seems they've sold out the 1608 owners in favor of DL32 buyers. Most little bands, for which the 1608 is perfectly adequate, will NEVER need the DL32. Heck, if I was running 32 channels I would not want to try and manage them on an iPad anyway. It's the little one-nighter bands in small venues that cannot drag in a snake and take up a table, :(
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Sorry about the MF 3.x situation. There's been quite a bit of warning around about if you need My Fader that you shouldn't upgrade to Master Fader 3.x. (Both from Mackie and other contributors to this forum.) Last thing I saw was that My Fader 3.x might be out in Feb. As far as the firmware update, the firmware is the mixer's software. If you can retro your ipad to MF 2.1.1, it will push out the correct firmware to the mixer. (That will always match the Master Fader version used.) Remember that you can run up to 10 ios devices all running Master Fader 3.x They do all need to be the same version. I know this doesn't help you with iphones and ipods, but it might help you through the next month or so.
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Sorry I am not buying into this at all. Beno if you are reading It is Mackies fault for not being more aware of how many people like me just blindly trust them. I read all about the beta version that Beno offered to the 100 takers and I passed on by, not interested. Then the darn thing shows up as a potential update and I said well that was quick and after reading how most people liked the features took it. Pow I feel like George Patton's third army rolled over me. The only thing stopping me from going out and buying a QSC Touch is that the monitors aren't designed right IEM. And I'm a bit unsure if they have software yet for iPhone's but I'm so dang close. Next option is to buy 2 more iPads to pass around to the bands to run the monitors off of. >:( >:( >:(
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Sorry I am not buying into this at all. Beno if you are reading It is Mackies fault for not being more aware of how many people like me just blindly trust them. I read all about the beta version that Beno offered to the 100 takers and I passed on by, not interested. Then the darn thing shows up as a potential update and I said well that was quick and after reading how most people liked the features took it. Pow I feel like George Patton's third army rolled over me. The only thing stopping me from going out and buying a QSC Touch is that the monitors aren't designed right IEM. And I'm a bit unsure if they have software yet for iPhone's but I'm so dang close. Next option is to buy 2 more iPads to pass around to the bands to run the monitors off of. >:( >:( >:(
Even though it's not a very good option for you, 2 iPads would be cheaper than a TouchMix 16 right now. By not much though. It is a royal pain in the butt.
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I read the warning and knew that if I went to 3.0 that I lose the MyFader. I chose to make the change knowing that.
It's not really their fault as they never said when MyFader was due out. Maybe they should have put it in big bold type
and also said to be sure to back up the V2.1 just in case.
I think as a good will gesture they should put the app back on the app store for 2.1 so people that rely on the iphones and ipods
can go back.
I would probably start looking for some friends that can loan you a ipad to get through the gig with. You can always
delete the app and return the ipads when done.
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Good advice all around but I don't have any friends or even no anybody around here that has gone digital yet let along the DL1608 :-X
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Good advice all around but I don't have any friends or even no anybody around here that has gone digital yet let along the DL1608 :-X
Might be nice if you filled in the location field in your profile. Nobody here is going to come gunning for you.
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I hand't thought of that ...hmmm here I am and thanks for the suggestion :thu:.
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OK, well if was me in that same situation I first would not wait for mackie to solve the problem by gig time.
Plan B needs to be in place. Like I said earlier see if you can borrow a few iPads, you don't need to borrow another mixer or find anyone with a 1608, all you need is their basic iPad, it will take 5 minutes to load the app on them, after the gig delete the app and return to the owner.no harm done, and the gig goes on.
Now, let's say no one I know has or will load me an iPad, I now have option C, just like back in the Stone Age we do a sound check for monitors and FOH and let the sound guy run mains and monitors with your iPod that you
must have to go with the 1608. After he/she gets a decent front mix, they come up to the stage and watch while each person signals what changes are needed in their monitor. If there is NO soundpeprson.....get one!
Just kidding, if there is no one running sound for you and you're doing it yourself from the stage, let the individual
Band members tell you what they need between songs and make minor adjustments one at a time.
Yes, it's primitve, it's how we did it before there was iPads,iPhones,iPods,Ijails. Just put up with it to get thru the gig cause the show must go on. It won't be forever and the app will be ready before you know it.
Using a spare analog mixer won't be any better.
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OK, well if was me in that same situation I first would not wait for mackie to solve the problem by gig time.
Plan B needs to be in place. Like I said earlier see if you can borrow a few iPads, you don't need to borrow another mixer or find anyone with a 1608, all you need is their basic iPad, it will take 5 minutes to load the app on them, after the gig delete the app and return to the owner.no harm done, and the gig goes on.
Now, let's say no one I know has or will load me an iPad, I now have option C, just like back in the Stone Age we do a sound check for monitors and FOH and let the sound guy run mains and monitors with your iPod that you
must have to go with the 1608. After he/she gets a decent front mix, they come up to the stage and watch while each person signals what changes are needed in their monitor. If there is NO soundpeprson.....get one!
Just kidding, if there is no one running sound for you and you're doing it yourself from the stage, let the individual
Band members tell you what they need between songs and make minor adjustments one at a time.
Yes, it's primitve, it's how we did it before there was iPads,iPhones,iPods,Ijails. Just put up with it to get thru the gig cause the show must go on. It won't be forever and the app will be ready before you know it.
Using a spare analog mixer won't be any better.
+1 to that
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I posted this elsewhere but is there no simple roll back procedure? if not I may just throw this DL away and get a QSC.
Don't be too anxious to jump into that muddy pond. I have both. I'm a huge QSC fanboy, but the TouchMix is very far away from ready for prime time. The WIFI control is not functional except under the best of circumstances, and sometimes not then. They're updating it mid January. Mine's on the shelf until then.
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I posted this elsewhere but is there no simple roll back procedure? if not I may just throw this DL away and get a QSC.
Don't be too anxious to jump into that muddy pond. I have both. I'm a huge QSC fanboy, but the TouchMix is very far away from ready for prime time. The WIFI control is not functional except under the best of circumstances, and sometimes not then. They're updating it mid January. Mine's on the shelf until then.
I quite fancied a Touchmix but they've yet to make much of an appearance this side of the pond.
Do people have the knives out for QSC on their forum, the way they have here for Mackie?
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I posted this elsewhere but is there no simple roll back procedure? if not I may just throw this DL away and get a QSC.
Don't be too anxious to jump into that muddy pond. I have both. I'm a huge QSC fanboy, but the TouchMix is very far away from ready for prime time. The WIFI control is not functional except under the best of circumstances, and sometimes not then. They're updating it mid January. Mine's on the shelf until then.
I quite fancied a Touchmix but they've yet to make much of an appearance this side of the pond.
Do people have the knives out for QSC on their forum, the way they have here for Mackie?
I have done some reading on them and I have read that as well along with a few other things. Thanks for holding my feet down :)
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Do people have the knives out for QSC on their forum, the way they have here for Mackie?
Not really. Bunch of folks are seeing a thing with low outputs until they reboot, and they're a little grumpy. Most of the TouchMix forum userbase is pretty new. If you've never used a mixer before, I guess you have fewer expectations.
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Another disadvantage of being in the market early? Anyone think that the DL series just wasn't ready when released? (Might go back and see what was thought about it up front.)
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There were grumpy users but IIRC I thought mine worked fine straight out of the box. Have to trawl the old Mackie forum archive to be sure. :facepalm:
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I felt the same way about mine it worked up to and really better than my initial expectations.
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Maybe we're just complaining more or expecting more? The DL1608 has always met my personal expectations. Still betting that fixing the white noise problem took a lot more than minor modification.
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Well it was a long road but believe or not I'm out of the MF 3.0 swamp. My ex (good heart that she is) lent me her iPad. It still had 2.1.1 on it. I was able to add it to my desktop pc using itunes and then sync my ipad to the pc and wowza I had 2.1.1 again. Since I never used 3 with my DL1608 it was fine. Got through the gig on NYE and all the iphones worked as well.
Hoorah :) Thanks to all of you for your help, you guys made it possible.
Chris
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Good stuff MM.
It would be good if Mackie released MF2 again as MF lite or something. From my brief demo of MF3 it's a huge step up from MF2 which is a double edged sword, for casual users MF2 is perfect, despite having more features than you need it's still very easy to navigate. MF3 OTOH is significantly more complicated and has, probably, twice the ability to catch the unwary out. MF3 (when it works properly for everyone) has way more features for the advanced user and will be a huge improvement over MF2 for those who can use those facilities.
Even when they get MF3 sorted I'll be slightly reluctant to recommend the DL to basic users as MF3 is a complicated beast and the easy learning curve of MF2 is history.
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Sam Io totally agree with you. I of course downloaded 3 which is how I got here. There were some cool functions I would use but none I needed so 2.1.1 is it for quite some time here :)
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I'll stick with MF2.1.1 until they sort MF3. The extra features would be very nice but not at the cost of an unresponsive GUI. I still have the X32 for my geek-fix :)
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There were some cool functions I would use but none I needed so 2.1.1
The trims alone have made the DL way more useful for me. Put the mixer onstage, set the gain pots low, and make it up as needed in the trims. It's a totally functional workaround for not having remote head amp control.
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There were some cool functions I would use but none I needed so 2.1.1
The trims alone have made the DL way more useful for me. Put the mixer onstage, set the gain pots low, and make it up as needed in the trims. It's a totally functional workaround for not having remote head amp control.
I resolved this with 2.1 by simply engaging the compresser and adding the needed gain there. You can set the threshold as high or low as you want ( or non at all), but the gain slider works regardless.