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Unofficial Mackie User Forums => DL1608/DL806/DL32R/ProDX Mixers => Topic started by: Kev tyler on December 05, 2014, 06:58:35 PM
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sorry guys
Did I imagine the above, that there was talk of having transport controls imbedded in master fader across the whole dl range?
Kev
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I suspect it will only play back recordings made by MF but who knows?
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If you have iOS7 or 8 you can just swipe up from the bottom of the MF screen to bring up the Music app controls, these will allow you to start and pause tracks and step through the current playlist. I'm still using MF 2 but there's no re-synchronising current state from MF just an instant return to MF when you swipe the controls down off screen.
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If you have iOS7 or 8 you can just swipe up from the bottom of the MF screen to bring up the Music app controls, these will allow you to start and pause tracks and step through the current playlist. I'm still using MF 2 but there's no re-synchronising current state from MF just an instant return to MF when you swipe the controls down off screen.
+1 - this works like a dream.
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Thanks guys
Must have dreamt it,
Will hang on in for the dl402 rack
Kev
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There has been discussion of music-playback transport controls being added as an MF3.1 or 4.0 feature, so you're not imagining things!
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If what your hoping for is the DL32R version of a stone-age music playback version forget it. You're just having nightmares. The programmer that implemented this wouldn't be caught dead personally using it. No playlist other than file-name order, REALLY. If this is what Mackie considers state of the art then it's time to change vendors. ;D I would expect this kind of work from a programmer trainee, but not from a professional.
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WK,
I am not trying to make as big stink,,,,
but why in the world are you here spreading mostly negativity?
Virtually everything that you post here is slamming Mackie and their customers who DO like using and owning a Mackie digital mixer... I am one.
You don't even own one, and from your sarcasm, it is obvious that you would never own one either, even though it has literally changed our lives for the better.
I'm not telling you that we forum posters don't want you here, but please... at least try to make at least something positive in every post you make in the future.
I for one would actually read your posts instead of skipping over them because that's what I do.
You obviously know quite bit about lots of things, and that knowledge is power, but please don't waste our time repeating over and over about how inept the Mackie design people are.
I'm done now,, sorry
Dan
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Hi wk154, guys,
I would have thought a compnay with a big budget would cherry pick a top programmer for this task, I use set list maker, it's a brilliant playback app, or one track, both are airturn equipped.
I would expect some sort of remote control for playback on a 2000 dollar desk, and a 400 dollar desk for that matter.
Cheers
Kev
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dpdan First you need to get your facts straight, I do own a DL1608 the same one I disassembled about 1 1/2 yrs ago http://cacophony.aspinock.com/index.php?topic=346.0 . Don't confuse me with Kev T. I was one of the first adopters (Sept. 2012). I spend 50+ years producing quality products and I guess I also expect the same in return as a consumer. What is scary is that a lot of people have such low expectations of manufacturers these days and let things slide. The facts may strike you as harsh and sometimes the truth hurts. You call it negativity :) , whatever! I would love to post something you might consider positive as soon as Mackie has something that isn't a band-aid solution. Looking back at some of your posts, is the pot calling the kettle black? They had the right approach on the DL1608/Dl806 in the manual by recommending a third party app for playback but unfortunately it also requires recording as well to be a really usable function. Hence the use of Voice Record and others. That leaves the MF channel recording pretty useless. If you feel that changing the song file name as an acceptable way to get a playlist what can I say. ::) In your case with the DL32R converting all the 44.1k songs to 48K for playback is just another example of low functionality. You can't be happy with that. Once again leaving third party apps to save the day. As to this forum's posts I would suggest you speak for yourself and not tell others what to do. You have a great opportunity to tell it like it is with the DL32R, but will you?
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Well I nearly purchased a dl, but coming on here and reading the comments about the reverb and handshaking the white noise the playback workarounds and so on has put me off a tincey wincey bit,
But they might just get all that right with the dl402.
Kev
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The desire for playback controls on the DL is a sad reflection of the music business today.
I'm not immune to it either but I don't use or need playback controls on what has now become a quite busy interface.
Mixers used to be for mixing, EQing and controlling mics and instruments. Let it do that job.
If you want toast, buy a flipping toaster.
It doesn't need this feature, control your tracks at source and don't make the thing unusable.
People here would complain about a free lunch!
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Well I nearly purchased a dl, but coming on here and reading the comments about the reverb and handshaking the white noise the playback workarounds and so on has put me off a tincey wincey bit,
But they might just get all that right with the dl402.
Kev
This site generates a lot of bs Kev.
Sad to hear that put you off buying a DL.
If you ever got to try one you would find out that it's perfectly usable.
Don't know if you'll find the holy grail of mixers from Bullwanger either.
My DL actually exists and works perfectly.
The FX work fine for me, I'm not a fan of over effecting and I despise big toilet FX.
I don't like or need to hide performances in FX. Thirty years doing sound like that.
White noise? Hyped out of all proportion.
Most likely not an issue any more, even for the minuscule percentage that "maybe" had it.
Besides, it has yet to be proven to be Mackies fault and probably never will be answered definitively now.
Not wanting to cause a storm (too busy to get embroiled) but I could have sworn that WK posted that he sold his DL many moons ago. If I'm mistaken WK, apologies in advance.
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Robbo: Not wanting to cause a storm (too busy to get embroiled) but I could have sworn that WK posted that he sold his DL many moons ago. If I'm mistaken WK, apologies in advance. Apology accepted. You're right I did threaten to put it under someones Christmas tree a year ago but I got too busy with the X32 and more important projects. Yes I still have it and treating it as a interesting re-engineering project than a necessary kit, when I have the time to waste. The Mackie can do no wrong song is however getting old.
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The desire for playback controls on the DL is a sad reflection of the music business today.
I'm not immune to it either but I don't use or need playback controls on what has now become a quite busy interface.
Mixers used to be for mixing, EQing and controlling mics and instruments. Let it do that job.
If you want toast, buy a flipping toaster.
It doesn't need this feature, control your tracks at source and don't make the thing unusable.
People here would complain about a free lunch!
Who said free lunch? Where? Haven't found it yet, but still looking. :P
I agree, some of us need transport controls, some don’t, how do you or can you accommodate everyone with feature requests? I suppose the record/play controls could be designed into a separate page within MF, but how many screens can you add before everything gets so overwhelming you can’t concentrate on the mix. I’ve found MF3 a bit on the complicated side already, but nowhere near some of the other control apps out there. X32 etc. Where do you draw the line?
Since MF is a free app, how much pressure can you exert to make changes? On the other hand if it was not a free app and say $25-$50.00 for it, I think we should expect a lot from it with regards to features, reliability out of the gate and a maybe more room for suggestions and changes, even though Mackie has listened to the public so far. Gotta give them some credit. ;)
Personally, I like to use the DL1608 as I think it was originally intended for, a digital version of an analog mixer with the ability to run it wirelessly. I never used the digital effects on analog mixers and don’t mind if the DL’s effects aren’t studio quality. Not a big deal for me. But it might be for a lot of people. How can you cram all these wanted features into this these type of mixers and keep the size and price reasonable? That's the question. "I'd buy that for a dollar" Indeed. :)
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KM let me answer you from the manufacturers point of view. In most cases where an established manufacturer such as Mackie needs to introduce a new product it's because the competition is eating their free lunch. ;D Their revenues are down and as in Mackie's case they've struck out 3 times before on a digital product. The future is in digital mixers like it or not. So, after marketing in conjunction with sales comes up with their wish lists the engineering dept. has the unpleasant job of making sense and paring down of the no-brain er we can't loose sales/marketing list. This process is ongoing and the usual, while your doing this, can you include this feature (in my days it was called creeping feature-ism) takes place. There is of course another side to the coin and that is called the competition and what they currently have. This is usually the base line and you need to provide something slightly better to make sales. In my experience most clients will use between 10 to 20% of the features but it's the specific features they need and use that makes their buy decisions. Keep in mind that most of what we're talking about are setup conditions not live performance control and as such can be layered in sub-menus logically. Please don't dilute yourself into thinking that it's free software it's not, just bundled into the price. Instead consider that you haven't gotten your moneys worth from Mackie. The rest is to maintain or improve competitive status in the field and fix bugs to retain image. You and I are meaningless in the scheme of things so save your buck. As to your question of who was their target market I'd like to think it was someone other than what their misguided adds portrayed, someone flushing their head in the John.
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I would have thought a compnay with a big budget would cherry pick a top programmer for this task,
I think it's obvious that Mackie doesn't have anything like the budget that Behringer has to throw at their line of digital mixers. No "big budget" involved - Mackie is having to prioritize their efforts within their limited budget IMO. I'd guesstimate that they have no more than four programmers on the effort - quite possibly just two. You have to realize they have a LOT of products that all need engineering man-hours! Even in just the digital mixer line they probably have the new DL32R prioritized over the DL1608 at the moment.
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WK:
Of course I realize that the software isn’t really free. If any manufacturer really gave stuff away for free, they couldn’t afford it and go out of existence pretty quickly. Free usually always means “rolled into the cost”. I meant that anyone and everyone who has an iPad and doesn’t have an investment in a DL can literally download MF to their hearts content. So in that sense its “free”. I’ll bet that some of this group who weren’t sure about buying a DL may actually decide to buy after playing around with the app.
As for my money’s worth and a real honest to goodness 100% working DL1608, not mine mind you, that I am using, on MF 2.1.1. I got their (school’s) money’s worth for sure this time. Oh yes, I’m probably one of “those ones” :) that is only using 10-20% of the potential features available to me and happy to do so, since it works for the applications I use it for. Heck the wireless feature alone is worth the price of admission in my books at this price point for a 1608.
And for those misguided ads/videos to quote you: “As to your question of who was their target market I'd like to think it was someone other than what their misguided ads portrayed, someone flushing their head in the John.” I couldn’t agree more. ;)
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Robbo: Not wanting to cause a storm (too busy to get embroiled) but I could have sworn that WK posted that he sold his DL many moons ago. If I'm mistaken WK, apologies in advance. Apology accepted. You're right I did threaten to put it under someones Christmas tree a year ago but I got too busy with the X32 and more important projects. Yes I still have it and treating it as a interesting re-engineering project than a necessary kit, when I have the time to waste. The Mackie can do no wrong song is however getting old.
........a few new tunes might benefit us all :) Seasons Greetings! :)
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This is an old tune but still a goodie. :)
Jingle Bells, Jingle Bells?
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KM lets jazz it up a bit. Jingle Bells, Jingle Bells Mackie all the way Oh what fun it is to hear that white noise once again..... Who knew I could have been a songwriter instead. :)
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KM lets jazz it up a bit. Jingle Bells, Jingle Bells Mackie all the way Oh what fun it is to hear that white noise once again..... Who knew I could have been a songwriter instead. :)
Can't type, I'm still laughing. :lol: Don't give up your day job. ;) That's alright, they pay me not to sing. :laugh:
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The desire for playback controls on the DL is a sad reflection of the music business today.
I'm not immune to it either but I don't use or need playback controls on what has now become a quite busy interface.
Mixers used to be for mixing, EQing and controlling mics and instruments. Let it do that job.
If you want toast, buy a flipping toaster.
It doesn't need this feature, control your tracks at source and don't make the thing unusable.
People here would complain about a free lunch!
Who said free lunch? Where? Haven't found it yet, but still looking. :P
I agree, some of us need transport controls, some don’t, how do you or can you accommodate everyone with feature requests? I suppose the record/play controls could be designed into a separate page within MF, but how many screens can you add before everything gets so overwhelming you can’t concentrate on the mix. I’ve found MF3 a bit on the complicated side already, but nowhere near some of the other control apps out there. X32 etc. Where do you draw the line?
Since MF is a free app, how much pressure can you exert to make changes? On the other hand if it was not a free app and say $25-$50.00 for it, I think we should expect a lot from it with regards to features, reliability out of the gate and a maybe more room for suggestions and changes, even though Mackie has listened to the public so far. Gotta give them some credit. ;)
Personally, I like to use the DL1608 as I think it was originally intended for, a digital version of an analog mixer with the ability to run it wirelessly. I never used the digital effects on analog mixers and don’t mind if the DL’s effects aren’t studio quality. Not a big deal for me. But it might be for a lot of people. How can you cram all these wanted features into this these type of mixers and keep the size and price reasonable? That's the question. "I'd buy that for a dollar" Indeed. :)
Thanks guys for all your comments, I am going to counter with a simple statement,
The dl mixer was originall about 1200 euros I think, for that money it should have had the control screen and faders built in, and of course I would be free to use the miriad of playback devices without inteferring with the original work flow of the device,
You guys can't honestly expect someone to buy a 1200 euro mixer, bolt in a 500 euro ipad and then
expect them to start messing with another device for playback, we are getting in to 2000 euros now,
I love the bolt it in and charge it option ofthe dl, I am going to hate having to put an iPad a on mic stand and run audio and power in to the berry floor box .
These forums are getting harder to use, tap talk is superimposed over my boxes, still no cursor, sorry
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TBF when the DL first came out it was incredibly cheap for what it was (a similar quality analogue desk with far fewer features was around the same price) and I worked out that if I wanted the same features in a analogue rig I'd need at least £6k and two fridge sized racks in addition to the desk. I was totally knocked out by what it could do (in fact I still am) :lol:
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I agree it's good for the price, but.. And it's a big but, would you go and buy a new car or any other product and then be told, oh there is no engine in this car, you can sit in it and go brum brum with your lips, but if you want to drive it you need an engine, this one only runs on Apple engines?
The dl should have its price halfed, or they should do a deal and throw in a free iPad.
Kev
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I agree it's good for the price, but.. And it's a big but, would you go and buy a new car or any other product and then be told, oh there is no engine in this car, you can sit in it and go brum brum with your lips, but if you want to drive it you need an engine, this one only runs on Apple engines?
The dl should have its price halfed, or they should do a deal and throw in a free iPad.
Kev
LOL. I didn't realise comedy was part of your act too Kev!
The DL1608 is even better value now than it was when I bought mine, two years ago.
It's cheaper and has a raft of new features.
It goes hand in hand with an iPad, I know that, so do you and other potential buyers should too.
In the list of tools to make a living, iPads aren't that expensive really and in plentiful supply second hand.
Don't get a car if you don't want to buy petrol for it!
If you don't want to buy an iPad, don't buy a DL, simple as that!
PS. Android support is thin on the ground for most pro audio stuff, ever wonder why?
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The dl should have its price halfed, or they should do a deal and throw in a free iPad.
Kev
Well maybe they shoud pay u also $ 1200,00
Let get everything for free ;D
And yes dl has some small buggs
I used it maybe over 100 times, never i had did big problems that where a show breaker. For me it was worth every dollar/euro that it did cost, incl the the iPad. If u dont like it just sell yours or buy something else and stop complaining
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The dl should have its price halfed, or they should do a deal and throw in a free iPad.
Kev
Well maybe they shoud pay u also $ 1200,00
Let get everything for free ;D
And yes dl has some small buggs
I used it maybe over 100 times, never i had did big problems that where a show breaker. For me it was worth every dollar/euro that it did cost, incl the the iPad. If u dont like it just sell yours or buy something else and stop complaining
The thing is Ampli he doecn't even own one and he's posted 184 times on this forum and most of what he says is nonsense!!!!
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Monsieur pitchy, Opinions are like ars$ holes, everyone has one.
Sorry but you are basically wrong, mark my words, a couple of years from now, there will be loads of low ch count digital desks, controlled by a physical fader unit bolted to an iPad. 184 posts, because the companies do not listen or respond, I am not going to rush out and buy a mackie mixer, because they do not make the product I need.
By the way junior, I have to ask, what do you know?
Hi Robbo, you have to have a sense of humour after thirty years doing the rounds mate, but seriously I dont do second hand gear,
Dl806 + 2 iPads= 1700 euros, no thanks. Not for 1 mic and playback.
And Thats not counting 100 euros for the silly bracket, and any future ipad Adaptors, I think 350 to 400 is about the right price for the cheapest dl,
Cheers
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Monsieur pitchy, Opinions are like ars$ holes, everyone has one.
Sorry but you are basically wrong, mark my words, a couple of years from now, there will be loads of low ch count digital desks, controlled by a physical fader unit bolted to an iPad. 184 posts, because the companies do not listen or respond, I am not going to rush out and buy a mackie mixer, because they do not make the product I need.
By the way junior, I have to ask, what do you know?
Hi Robbo, you have to have a sense of humour after thirty years doing the rounds mate, but seriously I dont do second hand gear,
Dl806 + 2 iPads= 1700 euros, no thanks. Not for 1 mic and playback.
And Thats not counting 100 euros for the silly bracket, and any future ipad Adaptors, I think 350 to 400 is about the right price for the cheapest dl,
Cheers
Small analogue mixer seems right up your street tbh!!!
Zed 10fx or the like!!
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Harley Davidson doesn't make a motorcycle for me. But unlike Kev, I don't spend any time on a Harley forum complaining about it. I just don't buy one and I don't spend any time on their forum telling them what I think about their bikes. (Absolutely nothing wrong with Harleys. All motorcycles used to have dependability issues, but those days are pretty much gone.) So what on Earth makes this such a great forum for Kev, who obviously either hates the products, or the people who love the products?
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Pytchley and others I invited him to post on what he owns (Mackie Onyx analog) when he first came on this forum, unfortunately he has no respect for the rules or the people here and clearly has nothing to contribute to the analog section. I was well aware of his posting on the Behringer forum to the tune of close to 600 posts and he doesn't own any Behringer gear either. : "The thing is Ampli he doesn't even own one and he's posted 184 times on this forum and most of what he says is nonsense!!!!" Your quite right he's still looking for that Wundra brand mixer, the one he's going to build and then buy them all himself. He reminds me of those city pigeons, they poop everywhere and leave a mess. There is only one way to rid yourselves of this and that is to DO NOT FEED THE PIGEONS. They will eventually fly away.
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And what do you know wd40
I pitched the remote control analogue desk concept to my professor at university 35 years ago,
It's a good forum that's why I am here you dopes, I have said nothing negative about mackie on here, I am just trying to steer them in to creating a killer product, you guys have your heads up your backsides, this is the adulation I expect to find on the Mac forums.
So Mackie love you ? , that's why they took their own forum down,
Maybe it's just a regional thing, but for me, mackie are like behringer with an America accent, some good stuff some dross.
Keep it real guys
Kev
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Killer Product? Should Kev be working in development? Can he work on a team? He seems to want to do the job for free. All of my life I have rarely experienced G.A.S. but the DL1608 hit me in Sept 2013. It's a much better mixer today, but I immediately saw the advantages and the one disadvantage. (Phantom power being global.) I replaced a perfectly good MixWiz, Compressor and 100' snake. This is a killer product. I could have purchased a StudioLive 24.4.2 with my Wife's blessing. Nice mixer and I am already familiar with using them, but I'm 61 and paring down the size and weight of my equipment and the DL fit right into those plans. In my mind, the DL1608 is the Killer Product and Kev won't be pleased with anything. Not asking you to buy one, but if you really want to create the killer product, don't expect it to occur on a forum site and try to get a job in development with a company that makes these products. Meanwhile you could spend a lot more time reading and a lot less whining.
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And what do you know wd40
I pitched the remote control analogue desk concept to my professor at university 35 years ago,
It's a good forum that's why I am here you dopes, I have said nothing negative about mackie on here, I am just trying to steer them in to creating a killer product, you guys have your heads up your backsides, this is the adulation I expect to find on the Mac forums.
So Mackie love you ? , that's why they took their own forum down,
Maybe it's just a regional thing, but for me, mackie are like behringer with an America accent, some good stuff some dross.
Keep it real guys
Kev
Yes Kev give me wd40 and a Craftsman's wrench and I'll fix your problems. We have a saying in this country that applies "Action Walks and Bullshit talks" . The one thing I know about you is that if you had any knowledge in the audio field you would have solved your problem long time ago. It's a good forum for owners and operators of DL series mixers and I for one am going to try to keep it that way. I'll not tolerate pigeons like you. I invested too much time in the DL and this forum to let it slide. I'm inviting you to leave.
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Do me a favour you two,
And get a life,
I am not going anywhere, and why should I?
I have an opinion, like you, you don't agree, tough titty
They should rename this forum to amateur shrinks .com
Who the hell are you to judge me?
We have a few sayings where I am from, I will be polite and not share them with you.
Pmsl
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Kev, if you want to reply to me at least take the trouble to spell my pseudo correctly, also just because i live in France that doesn't make me any more French than you're Balearic and finally just leave. Your opinions are as stupid as your rhetoric. You would be much more at home on uli's forum where nothing is real like your opinions on something you know nothing about.
Sorry to feed the pigeon but I've had enough of his bollocks.
Hey Wyndd, I'm actually older than you!!! Crusties together against the world.
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How's the hearing holding up. I just went to hearing aids. (Though they aren't good for gigging at typical volumes.) I now understand why I never wanted to be beside the bassist. (And I do play bass.) My Mother, whom I'm most like, had two hearing aids during her last 4 years and couldn't hear a telephone ring without them. (And she wasn't exposed to loud volumes.) Personally, I'm figuring that I might get another 10 years. (If I live that long.) After that, I hope to be motorcycling around the Country with my Wife. She's planning on working until she's 75. We'll see how well that goes, but she is doing stuff she likes. (And gets paid well for.)
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Wynnd thank you for not feeding the pigeon.
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Wynnd, well my left ear's a bit down, I reckon from over loud drum monitors at festivals when I was still doing that sort of thing but the other one's still OK. I'm still playing but smaller stuff with a bluegrass band. Otherwise haven't ridden a bike for a few years but maybe again one day. I do quite a few PA gigs these days with a smaller rig than before and the DL has fitted in really well in my down sizing campaign despite it's little foibles. This forum is great with some really useful info from some intelligent people who are interested in moving the DL on, long may it continue. (hopefully without any pigeons) :lol:
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I spelt your name wrong deliberately, you don't deserve my courtesy, none of you do after your insults,
I asked a simple question about transport controls and you guys have become very judgemental and nasty, I don't actually know what your problem is, i expressed an opinion that the dl is too expensive considering it doesn't work out of the box and requires the purchase of 2 iPads, one for back up, I have 30 years in show business and originally came from an electronics background which I abandoned in favour of becoming a professional musician so I ask all of you again, what do you know that makes your opinion on the available and non available products more valuable than mine?
Regarding my or anyone else's for that matter
Lack of ownership, of a dl, as I said I came here because I wanted to buy one and check out the comments from users prior to purchase, do you think you are some sort of special club?by the way it was wd40 s comments that put me off buying one
I invite all of you to read the thread again and appologise,
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I'm coming up on 2 years of owning my DL, and it's worked flawlessly for me. For playback I simply use one channel and an iPod or my Galaxy phone, so yes I only have a 15 channel board. But it still has 2 more channels than my old Mixwiz due to the built in delay & reverb returns. And the 6 aux sends are all available for monitors - fantastic!
I had never touched or used an iPad until I purchased mine ($300 for a refurb). Not only is the iPad great to use with the DL, I love having it around the house!
I don't miss my heavy board, processing rack (that was comparatively limited), snake, etc. Now I can walk in to a club with my suitcase style DL case, a few boxes of cables, and tie in to their system in minutes. The bands I work for (and their customers) are blown away at the iPad mixers functionality, and they always sound very good.
To anyone reading this board, there are thousands of satisfied DL customers out there. In the Seattle area, I know of no less than 8 bands or venues that are using this board, and I'm sure there are plenty more out there.
Cheers!
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Can we all get a grip please, there is no need to be rude or offensive to others voicing an opinion even if you disagree. This is usually a reasonably civil forum (ok, it's not the most polite I read but...) but Kev has his opinions, as do the rest of us and there's no need to take personal offence if others disagree with you......
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I must have missed the rule page that said this was strictly a technical forum!?
Perhaps RR hadn't that rule in place when I joined?
I was the second person here after RR.
The forum has changed and I've watched it get domineered on a number of occasions.
I've seen quite a few people who I'd like to invite to leave, but then I'm not the boss of anyone here (and I know that)
RR is the King.
Not like the forum as it is?
Go start your own then or go somewhere else :)
This applies to all sides, myself included.
Not meaning to be rude to anyone, just stating the obvious.
Merry Christmas!
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Can we all get a grip please, there is no need to be rude or offensive to others voicing an opinion even if you disagree. This is usually a reasonably civil forum (ok, it's not the most polite I read but...) but Kev has his opinions, as do the rest of us and there's no need to take personal offence if others disagree with you......
You said it Sam :thu:
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Can we all get a grip please, there is no need to be rude or offensive to others voicing an opinion even if you disagree. This is usually a reasonably civil forum (ok, it's not the most polite I read but...) but Kev has his opinions, as do the rest of us and there's no need to take personal offence if others disagree with you......
Sam it's not about disagreements it's about lack of respect for what is trying to be accomplished here. He has a long history on other forums as well. Some just humor him others ignore him. The net effect is that he dilutes the value of this forum as pytchley stated. Prospective members trying to get some useful information from here have to wade thru all this diatribe, it needs to stop. My suggestion is to ignore him. It's easier if RR wants to clean up all the droppings. It's also not this particular thread but the many others. Robbo it was the continuation of the Mackie forum (technical) after a rude removal by Mackie of their own forum, lest we forget.
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Can we all get a grip please, there is no need to be rude or offensive to others voicing an opinion even if you disagree. This is usually a reasonably civil forum (ok, it's not the most polite I read but...) but Kev has his opinions, as do the rest of us and there's no need to take personal offence if others disagree with you......
Sam it's not about disagreements it's about lack of respect for what is trying to be accomplished here. He has a long history on other forums as well. Some just humor him others ignore him. The net effect is that he dilutes the value of this forum as pytchley stated. Prospective members trying to get some useful information from here have to wade thru all this diatribe, it needs to stop. My suggestion is to ignore him. It's easier if RR wants to clean up all the droppings. It's also not this particular thread but the many others. Robbo it was the continuation of the Mackie forum (technical) after a rude removal by Mackie of their own forum, lest we forget.
From the brief time I was on the Mackie forum it actually seemed quite diverse to me.
There are no hard and fast rules here, as you well know, or our mutual "friend" would have been banned for outburst after profain outburst against you, me and many others.
Even after outrageous behaviour, people still thought he was a valued contributor.
It just goes to show how varied our perceptions can be.
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Hi guys
I honestly don't see what I have written to upset you,
Let's have a recap of what I said,
700 or 1200 euros + pad+ spare pad is a bit pricey for people who require a very low channel count,
The free ipad thing was a joke
I think the 700 euro dl is going to look expensive compared to the berry x( if it comes)
I have not slagged mackie, nor you, nor anything, it's an opinion, what's wrong with having one of them?
My suggestions re the 1u 2 channel dl, the wundamix , well you can scoff, but you better tell motu and co that it's a bad idea, there are a few on the market, I am merely suggesting that there is room for a cheaper no frills more suited to live use version
I will ask the question again, what do you guys do, know that makes your opinions any better than mine, wd40 TV repair man, wynnd man in France, you probably play in covers band or do foh for covers band, you are not on tour with bon jovi, if you were we would not be discussing a cheap desk would we,
Robbo, the most negative and damaging person on this forum is wd40, why don't you suggest we ignore him? ?he has put me off taking the mackie plunge.
Thansk Sam, thanks braden,
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I have to admit Kev's right. I do owe an apology but not to him more like to the rest of you for stirring up all this unpleasantness. So I'm very sorry and hope this controversy at least serves to put things straight in this otherwise excellent forum. I hope it remains a place for users of the DL mixers to share experiences and drive Mackie to improve the products in an atmosphere of good humour. As a final reply to Kev's unpleasant taunts I'd like to add that there is nothing bad about playing in a covers band, most musicians do at one time or another, my current bluegrass influenced band does a few alongside some original stuff. I've been lucky enough to earn my living for the past 47 years in and around music and being a drummer living in a remote and beautiful part of France it's not always been possible to find a good paying gig so long ago I invested in PA and studio equipment so as to be able earn a living without having to dig too many holes etc. A couple of times in my career I have had the good fortune to work in bands that toured extensively around Europe, nothing huge but lots of festivals and outsize monitor systems hence my left ear problem!!! I hope this puts an end to all this nonsense and we can move on. I just wish Mackie would hurry up with 3.1...
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I honestly don't see what I have written to upset you,
Really? The following is from this thread alone.
And what do you know wd40
that's why I am here you dopes
Do me a favour you two, And get a life,
you don't agree, tough titty
Monsieur pitchy, Opinions are like ars$ holes, everyone has one.
I spelt your name wrong deliberately, you don't deserve my courtesy, none of you do
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Maybe us rough'n'tumble production guys can lighten up on the noobs a bit ;) ?
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Hi guys
I honestly don't see what I have written to upset you,
Let's have a recap of what I said,
700 or 1200 euros + pad+ spare pad is a bit pricey for people who require a very low channel count,
The free ipad thing was a joke
I think the 700 euro dl is going to look expensive compared to the berry x( if it comes)
I have not slagged mackie, nor you, nor anything, it's an opinion, what's wrong with having one of them?
My suggestions re the 1u 2 channel dl, the wundamix , well you can scoff, but you better tell motu and co that it's a bad idea, there are a few on the market, I am merely suggesting that there is room for a cheaper no frills more suited to live use version
I will ask the question again, what do you guys do, know that makes your opinions any better than mine, wd40 TV repair man, wynnd man in France, you probably play in covers band or do foh for covers band, you are not on tour with bon jovi, if you were we would not be discussing a cheap desk would we,
Robbo, the most negative and damaging person on this forum is wd40, why don't you suggest we ignore him? ?he has put me off taking the mackie plunge.
Thansk Sam, thanks braden,
Hey Kev,
I wasn't referring to you when I mentioned a mutual "friend" who exhibited (IMHO) unacceptable behaviour especially towards WK, and to many others here on the forum.
This was way back before you joined.
I petitioned for this guy to get kicked off but a few people thought he had something useful to contribute.
Anyway, you and I have had a bit of banter, not sure if you are having a go at me or not?
What you're saying usually doesn't upset my delicate sensibilities one bit.
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Hi guys
I honestly don't see what I have written to upset you,
Let's have a recap of what I said,
700 or 1200 euros + pad+ spare pad is a bit pricey for people who require a very low channel count,
The free ipad thing was a joke
I think the 700 euro dl is going to look expensive compared to the berry x( if it comes)
I have not slagged mackie, nor you, nor anything, it's an opinion, what's wrong with having one of them?
My suggestions re the 1u 2 channel dl, the wundamix , well you can scoff, but you better tell motu and co that it's a bad idea, there are a few on the market, I am merely suggesting that there is room for a cheaper no frills more suited to live use version
I will ask the question again, what do you guys do, know that makes your opinions any better than mine, wd40 TV repair man, wynnd man in France, you probably play in covers band or do foh for covers band, you are not on tour with bon jovi, if you were we would not be discussing a cheap desk would we,
Robbo, the most negative and damaging person on this forum is wd40, why don't you suggest we ignore him? ?he has put me off taking the mackie plunge.
Thansk Sam, thanks braden,
Hey Kev,
I wasn't referring to you when I mentioned a mutual "friend" who exhibited (IMHO) unacceptable behaviour especially towards WK, and to many others here on the forum.
This was way back before you joined.
I petitioned for this guy to get kicked off but a few people thought he had something useful to contribute.
Anyway, you and I have had a bit of banter, not sure if you are having a go at me or not?
What you're saying usually doesn't upset my delicate sensibilities one bit.
Hey Robbo,
I think you'll remember this from way back in my early days in the forum and I think it still holds true, for myself and others....
“You've got to know when to hold 'em, know when to fold 'em,
Know when to walk away, know when to run."
;)
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Lol, for sure KM.
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Lol, for sure KM.
So as well as the "like" selection, do you think a "dislike" selection would pan out? ;) Where's my Lightsaber Luuuuke?
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Robbo rest assured Kev is in good company. A post from the Behringer forum a while ago. JL did have his good moments.
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kev tyler
Hi jerry I thought that might be you. ), it's a sign of desperation that I am pitching the wundamix concept everywhere from here to the speaker builders forum to cacophony and even to the baby forum my expectant wife uses....
Wynnd I think you have your answer as to why he is posting here.
For all here look up the meaning of troll.
Now if I could only get him to post to the right topics and contribute :lol: :lol: :lol: There was a reason for all the other topics on this forum not just a typing exercise for RR. For those of you that thought the original Mackie forum was a chat room think again. They may just have closed it down because it was too time consuming to keep it technical and clean out the trash. It was diverse meaning their whole product line, not just the DL. Their hope I'm sure was to reduce the tech-line traffic. It didn't work out for them, although they are the only company in this business AFAIK that shut down their own forum. They now have what you want on Facebook, a chat room go visit or follow them on Twitter.
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Hey Robbo
Not having a go at you mate sorry, it's a great forum, , the quote unquote thing is hard to follow, wd40 give it a rest lad, Digging up the past like a big soft girl, you have a horrible attitude, you are a hypocrite too, you are mister anti mackie , I am not, all the others for gods sake jump off the band wagon, you are far too late. Selective quoting, grow up.
Man in France You are in a covers band, great I am a solo vocalist, why do you think my needs are less important than yours,
I am sorry that I want a quality reliable product, listening to you lot griping about your wants and wished pees me off too, you don't see me getting the knife out do you? Why not just scrap the wish list? If your desired option is not available then you must be talking cobblers right mon ami?
You do owe me an apology but I won't hold my breath,
I only said this piece of halibut was fit for Jehovah
:)
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I only said this piece of halibut was fit for Jehovah
:)
He said it again!
Lol
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I guess my General Message to the forum just recently was a waste of time. I came here to read about interesting topics on Mackie, the DL to be exact and to share views and opinions on a variety of topics with my peers, only to find after all that, the sniping is still going on. I am very disappointed and saddened by it. How long is this going to continue? We are all professionals. But right now this stuff is not very professional.
I can already guess what some of the replies to this will be, and I said some, not all. “If you don’t like it then don’t be here.” “Why all the whining?” etc. etc. Like I said at the top, I am disappointed, saddened and even disillusioned. Please stop? If someone is pushing your buttons, just ignore it. It will be better for all of us.
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Cheers Braden, and thanks Robbo
Let's move on,
Do I have this right, if I had my pad with my playback app all up to date , masters fader up to date, that I would have no problem using the airturn module for stop and play, this is presuming the pad is bolted in and charging, and the master fader app is running in the background, playback app on top in view.
Despite not owning a dl yet.. I still think it's the best option for the likes of me regardless of whatever the competition is promising, the charging security advantages of the dock still mean a lot to me.
I am sure you can understand the importance of diligent research pre purchase
Cheers
Kev
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Cheers Braden, and thanks Robbo
Let's move on,
Do I have this right, if I had my pad with my playback app all up to date , masters fader up to date, that I would have no problem using the airturn module for stop and play, this is presuming the pad is bolted in and charging, and the master fader app is running in the background, playback app on top in view.
Despite not owning a dl yet.. I still think it's the best option for the likes of me regardless of whatever the competition is promising, the charging security advantages of the dock still mean a lot to me.
I am sure you can understand the importance of diligent research pre purchase
Cheers
Kev
Hey Kev,
I don't have an air turn module but I know Tango remote will stop after ever track if you want it too.
Can control your iPad from iPad, iPod, iPhone or whatever combo you want. It uses wifi, not sure if it can bluetooth but it's a great & solid app.
Hope this helps :)
Rob (JPF :))
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Hi rob
Thanks mate, tango is a brilliant app considering it's free, but it's not what I want to do, I have a great playback app, you select the song press play and it plays then moves on and waits for your command before it does anything, I have bluetooth switches sewn in to my suit jacket sleeve, so I can be discreet, which looks nice, I am totally against the distraction of singers fiddling with equipment , laptops and so on on stage.
The pad running the playback app bolted in to a dl mixer in the dressing room behind the stage is the direction I am heading in, the quandry for me is the many technical issues, some I see on here , will master fader and the playback app and my phone running my fader for mic level playback level and the airturn module all play nice together?
For some down market gigs, I get stuck next to my gear, and a pad bolted to the dl by my side with me selecting songs manually is also an option. I just want to allow for all eventualities when I eventually jump in and splash the cash.
Which will need to be before the summer of 2015, so there is no panic, I thought the x air might be my salvation but who knows when that will ever come, and I think the app looks complicated for what I do, and hate the non charging and non docking aspect, which I think will involve a bit of diy for rough gig security issues.
Cheers
Kev
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which playback app do you have Kev? I have an Airturn so I could try it with iOS8/MF3.
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which playback app do you have Kev? I have an Airturn so I could try it with iOS8/MF3.
Hi mate, I have one of your favourites, set list maker, lol and one track, both need the app to be up front for the airturn to function
Cheers Sam
Kev
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Shame that, I have MF on my iPad3 and switch from it to My Lyric Book and back. It also needs to be at the front for Airturn to work, possibly because Airturn is seen as a bluetooth keyboard by the iPad.
Set List Maker didn't do what I wanted but the App store description suggested it would so I went ahead. Clearly it is well suited to your needs so, maybe, I was doing the developer an injustice. He was not prepared to offer a refund but an email to iTunes solved that problem.