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Unofficial Mackie User Forums => DL1608/DL806/DL32R/ProDX Mixers => Topic started by: robbocurry on January 22, 2015, 05:28:41 PM
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Just released from A&H, very nice. Very nice indeed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgiafRgv3YU&app=desktop
Although QU-Pac doesn't dependant on it, I would say the QU-Pad app would need to be polished a bit to make the overall package more user friendly.
I'm checking my bank account already :facepalm:
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Just released from A&H, very nice. Very nice indeed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgiafRgv3YU&app=desktop
Although QU-Pac doesn't dependant on it, I would say the QU-Pad app would need to be polished a bit to make the overall package more user friendly.
I'm checking my bank account already :facepalm:
What bank account? I don't have one. Oh Yes, it's my better half. Oh well. :facepalm:
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Just released from A&H, very nice. Very nice indeed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgiafRgv3YU&app=desktop
Although QU-Pac doesn't dependant on it, I would say the QU-Pad app would need to be polished a bit to make the overall package more user friendly.
I'm checking my bank account already :facepalm:
What bank account? I don't have one. Oh Yes, it's my better half. Oh well. :facepalm:
Forget about reason and common sense. Look at it, all shiny and new. How can I resist? :lol:
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Just released from A&H, very nice. Very nice indeed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgiafRgv3YU&app=desktop
Although QU-Pac doesn't dependant on it, I would say the QU-Pad app would need to be polished a bit to make the overall package more user friendly.
I'm checking my bank account already :facepalm:
What bank account? I don't have one. Oh Yes, it's my better half. Oh well. :facepalm:
Forget about reason and common sense. Look at it, all shiny and new. How can I resist? :lol:
Sir, Hands where I can see them and step away from the mixer please :police:
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What a great product,
I like stuff that works out of the box, any mention of price and lesser channel variants?
Kev
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What a great product,
I like stuff that works out of the box, any mention of price and lesser channel variants?
Kev
No price I can see yet Kev, probably better that way tbh :facepalm:
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Someone on PSW forum said 1500$
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I'd still prefer no controls on it but with a wired control option that the DL32R lacks :( . This is also only 16 inputs so doesn't even compete with the X32 Rack. What I want is something with 24 inputs that's 2U :) .
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I'd still prefer no controls on it but with a wired control option that the DL32R lacks :( . This is also only 16 inputs so doesn't even compete with the X32 Rack. What I want is something with 24 inputs that's 2U :) .
Xrack only 16/18 inputs too methinks RR?
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Xrack only 16/18 inputs too methinks RR?
16 XLR plus six 1/4" line inputs plus an XLR talkback input = 23 inputs :) .
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Xrack only 16/18 inputs too methinks RR?
16 XLR plus six 1/4" line inputs plus an XLR talkback input = 23 inputs :) . Also 8 XLR plus six 1/4" outputs !
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Xrack only 16/18 inputs too methinks RR?
16 XLR plus six 1/4" line inputs plus an XLR talkback input = 23 inputs :) . Also 8 XLR plus six 1/4" outputs !
Qu pac 16 plus 3 stereo - 22 plus talkback = 23 yippee 👍😉
Just as many outputs too, 12 xlr plus two pairs of 1/4".
Then there's the qu drive, the multitrack recording to a usb stick is very handy👍😉
One more input and you be at the magical 24. Couldn't you just solder an extra one on somewhere?
It's probably going to be a stupid price here in the uk.
Anyway qu-pad isn't as nice as master fader.
There, I've talked myself out of it😝
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I don't want to be dramatic guys, but
In the name of everything holy, when oh when oh when will they realize that less is more
Lol
I like the built in screen, if the berry x air ever comes out you will be able to maybe attach a pad mini or phone even somewhere on the back.
Kev
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Less is more is where Apple went with the ipod. Simple easy to use and a lot fewer controls than anyone else at the time. They occasionally forget about that, but mostly Apple products are simple to use because there is less. Look at the iphone. That home button is simple and elegant. Android with their 4 virtual buttons and the not obvious to me icons is clumsy. (I will give Palm credit for the home button idea. Used to have a palm phone.)
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This is also only 16 inputs so doesn't even compete with the X32 Rack.
QuPac talks to their stage boxes for 38 channels.
http://www.allen-heath.com/ahproducts/qu-pac/
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Gotta say the cutesy side view of it being a "Q" shape turns me right off.
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Gotta say the cutesy side view of it being a "Q" shape turns me right off.
Agreed. I hate wasted space. Those 3 knobs on the face are begging to be torn off, too. They should have been recessed.
They got a lot of stuff right, though.
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Lol. I'd be looking at the front or the back of it :)
Won't see the deliberately robust and clever shape that aids cooling when it's in a (possibly shallow) rack.
Ok. I'll admit it. I'm an A&H fanboy....
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Hi wynnd
Just watched a damming documentary about life in the apple factories, I imagine all work in that nation is the same or worse,
There is a high price to pay for our tech goodies, in the case of Apple, it's paid twice,
It suggests it would cost about 30 dollars more to build I products in the usa,
Shame when you look at the jobless in the uk and the rest of the world.
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I saw an estimate that the iphone would cost a whole $80 more to be built here. (I'm betting that the failure rate would be lower too. But for things built in China, Apple products are pretty good.) I would love for them to move production back into this country. But you should note that more iphone 6 and 6+ have been sold in China than in the USA. From that standpoint, maybe China is the right place to be making them now. I do have some Apple stock in my IRA. Most was bought at $20 a share years ago. (Split a total of 14 times since.) Got lucky on that one. Ford hasn't been quite so good.
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Don't worry ford always bounce back
Yes iPhone is big in China, what a market that country has
Incredible
:)
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I like that it can be expanded to 38 channels. I wish the DL32R was expandable. :facepalm:
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But have you seen the price of the A&H stageboxes €1429 for the 24/12? And the Qu Pac only has 18/20 inputs (the last 2/4 can be mono to stereo) onboard where the DL32R has 32 mic preamps onboard. A Qu Pac plus 2 x GLD-AR84 will give you 36 inputs will probably cost around €2500 (no price on the Qu Pac yet), with a GLD-AR2412 it will be even more.
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For those people who actually need more than 32 channels, the DL32R isn't a likely choice. On the other hand, for $2K it's a lot of mixer. And I'm not one moving that direction. There's a piece of me that thinks I'm done buying mixers. (And equipment in general.) If I do this for another 10 years without dying will be a miracle. (Dad was 72 when he passed.)
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I've never needed more than 32 channels (except in my dreams), but I have done a few gigs where I used all 32 channels on my old board (Mackie 32x8 analog mixer). And now that I have the DL32R, I'm not interested in buying any other mixer. So far, I'm quite impressed with this one.
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Realistically, anybody who needs more than 32 channels is probably in a different league than Mackie's target audience. Two years ago I had 12 mic inputs and three auxs (one of which was my fx send) on my big desk, no compressors or gates and a single fx processor. My how times have moved on :)
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Much as I love all my new tech, I don't think an iPad would be my weapon of choice for mixing anything more than 16 channels, even that can be cumbersome imho. I definitely prefer real faders, they are quicker and more accurate for me (in panic mode). The DL and it's tiny footprint have a lot of pluses, but to work well for me, I need to use two iPads side by side if I'm using it with new clients.
Maybe it's just my age or my big hands.
You know what they say about guys with big hands?
Yeah, big gloves ;D
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Much as I love all my new tech, I don't think an iPad would be my weapon of choice for mixing anything more than 16 channels, even that can be cumbersome imho. I definitely prefer real faders, they are quicker and more accurate for me (in panic mode). The DL and it's tiny footprint have a lot of pluses, but to work well for me, I need to use two iPads side by side if I'm using it with new clients.
Maybe it's just my age or my big hands.
You know what they say about guys with big hands?
Yeah, big gloves ;D
I quite agree with you there, I'm not sure if I could manage 32 all at once, even though you can swipe through channels. Two iPads would be better of course and real faders are even better I think, too. The convenience of the DL is the attraction for myself for sure. I use a stylus on the iPad. It's finer than my big pinkies. Age, big hands and old eyes for me. :facepalm:
Big gloves? You may want to reconsider that one. The old phrase is "Cold Hands, Warm Heart" I think your better half would agree? ;)
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Much as I love all my new tech, I don't think an iPad would be my weapon of choice for mixing anything more than 16 channels, even that can be cumbersome imho. I definitely prefer real faders, they are quicker and more accurate for me (in panic mode). The DL and it's tiny footprint have a lot of pluses, but to work well for me, I need to use two iPads side by side if I'm using it with new clients.
The X-Air app lets you have all 16 channels on one screen (in "narrow" mode) - as I'm used to mixing on the mini that would be fine for me on a regular iPad. OTOH most of the bands I deal with are pros who are pretty good at adjusting their own levels up and down for solos and such.
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Much as I love all my new tech, I don't think an iPad would be my weapon of choice for mixing anything more than 16 channels, even that can be cumbersome imho. I definitely prefer real faders, they are quicker and more accurate for me (in panic mode). The DL and it's tiny footprint have a lot of pluses, but to work well for me, I need to use two iPads side by side if I'm using it with new clients.
The X-Air app lets you have all 16 channels on one screen (in "narrow" mode) - as I'm used to mixing on the mini that would be fine for me on a regular iPad. OTOH most of the bands I deal with are pros who are pretty good at adjusting their own levels up and down for solos and such.
Yes a "narrow mode" would be handy. I know we have the overview but it's a few touches before you can get control.
You're lucky RR who you have to deal with, I'm not always blessed with professionals let alone musicians!!
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Agreed. The berry xr18 air is the winner for me. Built in wifi, all connectors in the front incl. USB. iOS, Android, Windows and Mac. I like the idea of using it as a stage box and not needing to run a snake. I've been playing with the x-air app and it's quick to learn and easy to navigate. In "thin" mode you have all your rails at your fingertips even on an iPad mini. You can gang any number of channels together by dropping them one top top of another in EDIT mode. It essentially makes subs but it combines rails into one instead of adding another rail to the desk. Thought that was a great idea for touch interface.
The Presonus RM32AI was a contender but whose idea was it to ship with FireWire 800 I/O? Don't they have a big user base who are holding onto their 2004 MacBooks?
Needing to carry a separate router or access point for the 1608 is driving me nuts for some reason.
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:)
31st March 2015
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Firewire 800 is compatible with a firewire 400 laptop. (Adapter was about $15) Unfortunately for PC folks, Windows laptops don't do firewire very well. MacBook Pros do firewire very well. And if you have a laptop, the Momentus XL hybrid drive works very well. It's fast, handles the solid state portion internal to the drive for frequently accessed files and generally ups the laptops performance over conventional drives. (Yes a solid state drive is faster, but for serious space, they cost a fortune.)
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Firewire 800 is compatible with a firewire 400 laptop. (Adapter was about $15) Unfortunately for PC folks, Windows laptops don't do firewire very well. MacBook Pros do firewire very well. And if you have a laptop, the Momentus XL hybrid drive works very well. It's fast, handles the solid state portion internal to the drive for frequently accessed files and generally ups the laptops performance over conventional drives. (Yes a solid state drive is faster, but for serious space, they cost a fortune.)
Granted Mac is more plug-n-play friendly, to be fair however, tis more a generalization about the FW capabilities of Win Laptops.
In my experience, nary a burp or hiccup while recording/playback 32 channels on a variety of my FW400 equipped IBM/Lenovo Thinkpads running on OS`s Windows XPsp3 and Windows Seven 64pro. Ditto on the USB 2.0 ports.
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I've been very happy with my DL32R, but, for my needs, the QU-PAC looks like it might be as good or better all around.
1. Enough channels: I need 16 for the band, plus Talkback, plus a stereo feed. QU-PAC has that.
2. Shallower / lighter: The DL32R in a 6U rack with mic splitters is very heavy. I suspect I could make a rig at < 70% of the weight with this.
3. USB stick recording: Using a drive isn't bad, but rotating through USB sticks would be more convenient for my workflow.
4. Front panel controls: The only reason I am comfortable with the DL32R is because we are just using it for monitoring and recording, not for the house. I worry about losing connection for a variety of reasons and worry about errant software updates. With the QU-PAC front panel controls as a backup, I'd feel comfortable enough to use it for the house mix, and could possibly even ditch the splitter setup or modularize for use only when demanded by the house.
I am hoping beno is working on a DL1608 replacement that looks more like the QU-PAC.
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OK, if you're only hooking up one Firewire device on a Windows laptop, that does work. I needed an external FIREWIRE drive to handle my 16 channels of simultaneous recordings with Cubase. The laptop was fast enough, but the internal drive couldn't handle the swap file and the recording at the same time. My Windows firewire was fine UNTIL I daisy chained a firewire drive in with my Alesis Multimix 16 firewire mixer. Windows was never happy with that. I got tired of it and bought a MacBook Pro in 2010, the one I'm currently typing on. Got my working firewire that has never failed to daisy chain perfectly, and I got a battery that would run about 10 hours on a charge and backlit keys for typing in the dark. I've upgraded the internal drive and even today get about 7 hours of typical laptop use. (Games suck that battery power up fast. Portal 2 swallowed half the power in about 30 minutes.) When I finally decide to swap out the battery, I should be back to about 10 hours again. Go to any coffee shop and you will see the Windows machines always plugged in and the Macs more likely to be just running on battery. (Yes, I know that Macs cost more, but I got more than I was looking for and a 5 year old laptop that you don't feel you need to replace? That's easily worth a grand.)
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I've been very happy with my DL32R, but, for my needs, the QU-PAC looks like it might be as good or better all around.
1. Enough channels: I need 16 for the band, plus Talkback, plus a stereo feed. QU-PAC has that.
2. Shallower / lighter: The DL32R in a 6U rack with mic splitters is very heavy. I suspect I could make a rig at < 70% of the weight with this.
3. USB stick recording: Using a drive isn't bad, but rotating through USB sticks would be more convenient for my workflow.
4. Front panel controls: The only reason I am comfortable with the DL32R is because we are just using it for monitoring and recording, not for the house. I worry about losing connection for a variety of reasons and worry about errant software updates. With the QU-PAC front panel controls as a backup, I'd feel comfortable enough to use it for the house mix, and could possibly even ditch the splitter setup or modularize for use only when demanded by the house.
I am hoping beno is working on a DL1608 replacement that looks more like the QU-PAC.
PTI, I am curious. It would appear that rack units are a preference or requirement of yours, more likely for mobile convenience. Interested to know what reason(s) a decision to acquire and incorporate the DL32R rather than a competing product at the time (when?).
Regarding your DL32R, have you experienced lost connection to give you worry?
What has been the workflow and satisfaction of your recording process?
Is it a more lack of comfort or confidence?
Modularize? Can you expound on that?
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Hi wynnd
Just watched a damming documentary about life in the apple factories, I imagine all work in that nation is the same or worse,
There is a high price to pay for our tech goodies, in the case of Apple, it's paid twice,
It suggests it would cost about 30 dollars more to build I products in the usa,
Shame when you look at the jobless in the uk and the rest of the world.
it wasn't the discredited story by mike daisey, was it?
http://www.thisamericanlife.org/blog/2012/03/retracting-mr-daisey-and-the-apple-factory
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As an Apple stockholder, I would love for Apple's production to start to move back into the USA. On the other hand, more iphone 6 and 6+ will be sold in China than in the USA.
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I believe the cylindrical Mac Pros are made in the US.
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Those are soooo sharp looking. Love the convection cooling. Pretty slick.
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Hi Walter
It was a British show I watched
Cheers
Kev