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Unofficial Mackie User Forums => DL1608/DL806/DL32R/ProDX Mixers => Topic started by: beno on February 11, 2015, 06:59:21 PM
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Hey All,
We just released Master Fader 3.0.2. It's propagating through the app store so you should see it soon. Here are the release notes.
Changes since v3.0.1
- Enhancement: EQ drawing performance improved, especially on older iPad devices
- Enhancement: Updated Device Connection/Recording/Playback/Rude Solo status indication to comply with Apple requirements
- Enhancement: Added Access Limit for Tools>Devices tab
- Bugfix: Master Fader Crash when recording to drive approaching capacity with DL32R
- Bugfix: Master Fader disconnects from mixer when storing snapshot with non default Talkback Routing on DL32R
- Bugfix: Master Fader disconnects from mixer when storing snapshot with non default AES Routing on DL32R
- Bugfix: Master Fader disconnects from mixer when storing snapshot with non default FX Send colors
- Bugfix: View and Mute Group Assignment windows do not populate correctly when switching between DL32R and DL806/DL1608
- Bugfix: Change "Trim" on iPad/Return channels to "Trim L" and "Trim R"
- Bugfix: Entering alignment delay feet or ms incorrectly interpreted as meters
- Bugfix: When Access Limit > FX enabled, unable to access Input Routing or Input DSP on input channel strips
- Bugfix: Mix masters were incorrectly affected by the Mute-access limit
- Bugfix: In the QAP the mute button said "Mute 1" when lit when using a DL1608/DL806
- Bugfix: The text in the show button is not visible when show button is touched
- Bugfix: Default created and modified date for shows can be strange before a snapshot is stored
- Bugfix: Some text problems when operating the iPad in German or Chinese
- Bugfix: Default created and modified date for shows can be strange before a snapshot is stored
My Fader is coming soon as well. See my post here about it:
http://cacophony.aspinock.com/index.php?topic=872.0
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Amazing, thanks Beno. I've got a show tomorrow so will have to be patient. Here's hoping.
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Cool, thanks BenO 8)
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Thank you so much Ben ... the performance of the PEQ is worlds better with this release. I'm a very happy guy!! Thanks again! :)
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Aces! Thanks Ben and Mackie!!! COOL! 8)
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Way to go Ben!!!!! Thanks to the software team.
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That time delay thing is a gotcha that I might have already experienced. Thanks for the post!
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Great stuff - modern EQ muuuuch better!
:thu:
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Thank you Ben :)
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DL806/DL1608
- Bugfix: Change "Trim" on iPad/Return channels to "Trim L" and "Trim R"
Nup. Same as 3.0.1
Not that it matters. It's just that there is no change.
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DL806/DL1608
- Bugfix: Change "Trim" on iPad/Return channels to "Trim L" and "Trim R"
Nup. Same as 3.0.1
Not that it matters. It's just that there is no change.
I'm seeing it here. In the iPad channel page, tap on the Trim slider. The value window at the top of the screen should say Trim L or Trim R.
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DL806/DL1608
- Bugfix: Change "Trim" on iPad/Return channels to "Trim L" and "Trim R"
Nup. Same as 3.0.1
Not that it matters. It's just that there is no change.
I'm seeing it here. In the iPad channel page, tap on the Trim slider. The value window at the top of the screen should say Trim L or Trim R.
It's on mine too. Now I'd like to see it on other channels that are linked into stereo too. Or not necessary?
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DL806/DL1608
- Bugfix: Change "Trim" on iPad/Return channels to "Trim L" and "Trim R"
Nup. Same as 3.0.1
Not that it matters. It's just that there is no change.
I'm seeing it here. In the iPad channel page, tap on the Trim slider. The value window at the top of the screen should say Trim L or Trim R.
Ok, I was looking in the wrong area. I simply assumed it meant instead of one fader to adjust the level of either left or right channels depending on the selected Left or Right button, that there are separate left and right trim controls.
Sorry.
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Just updated to MF 3.0.2 on my iPad 2. For me believe it or not, the fader lag was a little worse than 3.0.1. :facepalm:
I then did the required firmware update on the DL. With the iPad docked the fader lag was still there. If you moved the faders fast, which normally you wouldn't necessarily have to do, the faders were well behind my finger. Even using a new stylus showed the same results. Moving the faders slow and steady worked just fine though. Undocked on wireless produced the same results.
So for myself in particular, there was no significant improvement that I noticed. Oh well. I can still use it carefully in a live situation. But it looks like I'm eventually going to have to go to a newer iPad, to keep up with Master Fader updates in the future. My old 30 pin iPad 2 can be docked all the time. I guess it would be cool to get a new iPad in the future. ;)
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Well it's definitely much better, modern EQ still not as good as it was in MF2 but having done a rehearsal with it today I think it's workable so I'll stick with it for a while. This is on my ipad 3 and original mini.
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This update definitely seems to have improved the response of the modern EQ page. Thanks BenO!
Keyboard Magic, that's a shame you seem to have major lag issues putting you off using this more in a live situation, as another iPad 2 user I seem to be lucky in that the lag has never been a bad enough to warrant changing hardware.
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This update definitely seems to have improved the response of the modern EQ page. Thanks BenO!
Keyboard Magic, that's a shame you seem to have major lag issues putting you off using this more in a live situation, as another iPad 2 user I seem to be lucky in that the lag has never been a bad enough to warrant changing hardware.
ijpengelly
Thanks, I appreciate your concern. 8) I think the added Trim and other new features do outweigh the lag I am experiencing though. It might just be this particular iPad 2. It was one of the last to be sold and it is a newer one than my other iPad 2. I am replacing the older one.
At Best Buy here, they have "Trade and Save". Bring in your used devices and get a store credit towards a new purchase. I've already had it evaluated and it's worth up to $100.00. It's in excellent condition, so I'm expecting about $80.00 for it. That helps to buy a new iPad Air 2. And like I mentioned in my previous post, it is cool to get new toys. :)
I will keep the iPad 2 docked and use the Air 2 for Wireless. That way I don't have to buy a lightning tray kit or adaptor cables yet. There's a method to my madness, or Madness to my method?
Thanks again!
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Anytime :-)
That's pretty decent. Would it fetch more on eBay or is that too much of a hassle?
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Ipad 2 is worth about $150. best buy sells all their trade ipads on their COWBOOM website.
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Anytime :-)
That's pretty decent. Would it fetch more on eBay or is that too much of a hassle?
Hey, ijpengelly
I have thought about E Bay. I may consider it depending what I get offered at Best Buy. Thanks for that suggestion though :thu:
Hey Troy,
Didn't know that. I guess that's their profit margin on the trades? But thanks for the info too! :thu:
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Most used gear dealers need to mark up around 100% (inc taxes) to make a living. If you think about it, if they pay $75 and sell the used iPad2 for $150, they make $75, they pay, say 7% tax ($10) need to offer a warrantee (say a 10% in warrantee fail rate = $15), pay staff and rent and insurance and all the other costs of running a business (possibly another $15-30), a total of maybe $55 on something they may have cluttering the shelves up for several months (and which may suddenly become worth half what it was when they bought it if somebody releases another new, better product) which may realise $20 profit at the end of it all (but also may only sell for $100).
OTOH ebay charge 10% on completed sales and an extra 8% if you accept payment by paypal, that means they take 18% of sale value... plus postage (which you have to pay). Assuming you sell the iPad for $140 and charge your cost of $10 postage, you'll receive $123, less your $10 postage costs so $113. It's still a huge chunk of what you sold the iPad for but a little better than the dealer. Of course if he pays you $100 it's probably not worth the gamble on good old feebay 'cos it may only sell for $120.....
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Quick question for all pro users . I got a show tomorrow I do not want to do a firmware update now. But when dock my iPad I have only two options offline or update. I still want to be connected and do not want to update to 3.0.2 is this possible please can anyone point me in the direction
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The firmware on the mixer has to match the Master Fader version you are using. You can't mix MF 2.1.1 with MF 3.0.2 So if you have Master Fader 2.1.1 on your ipad, just attach that and run that firmware. If you have MF 3.0.1 and don't want to upgrade to MF3.0.2 use that one. BUT if your ipad upgraded to Master Fader 3.0.2 and you don't have any other options, you will have to do the firmware update to use it. (And remember, you can't mix Master Fader versions. Everything has to be the same version.) So far I haven't heard of anything in MF 3.0.2 being worse than MF 3.0.1. (No reason to not use it if you're already beyond MF 2.1.1) If you're already on MF 3.0.1 and can install Master Fader 2.1.1 (which is long gone from the app store.) your mixer will have to update it's firmware to match Master Fader 2.1.1. The firmware is always part of the App, so you don't need internet access to do the firmware update and it only takes about 5 minutes. (Good idea to make sure you have the mixer's manual available. It's a help file in Master Fader. You probably won't need it unless the firmware update fails and you have to reset. It happens, but has never happened to me yet.)
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If your ipad updated itself to MF3 you might just still have MF2 in your trash.
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Thanks Wynnd for valid feedback. Let see what I can do
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WARNING! Damned thing started updating firmware mid show last night! I knew about the update and decided I'd wait to install it till after the gig. Automatic updates turned off, not logged into the gig site internet, not using my own router. Mightily pissed!
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I panicked the first time my DL32R said it had to update firmware right before a show. But it appears you do not have to be connected to the Internet for this to complete -- the update is already on your iPad, and only takes a minute or two.
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updated MID-SHOW? Sounds like you had 2 ipads and one was updated and the other one wasn't. So I'm guessing that the docked ipad was the earlier version of Master Fader. And when you hooked up the other ipad wirelessly, the update firmware message came up. (Mid-show.) Being that you can't run different versions of Master Fader on one DL mixer, updating would have tossed your docked mixer offline. (For the rest of the show.)
Now if one of your ipads had cellular access, it might have updated automatically. Or if you were using a WiFi with internet access, that could also happen. (Mine isn't ever connected to the internet.) So outside of any of those scenarios, I can't see any of this happening. (But those few scenarios give you a lot of slip through the cracks options.)
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I was messing around with the DL the other day checking out new network cables (I'd had a dud), luckily at home, everything on 3.0.2 and suddenly it announced a firmware update. I switched it off and on again and it's been OK since but not good. Imagine that mid gig. Anyone seen anything similar. Maybe I should force an update?
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a firmware update to MF 3.0.2 should be fine if that's what you're running. Asking for one if it's already installed, is weird. It shouldn't have to install it twice, but installing it twice shouldn't be a problem. Maybe this was just a fluke and any future firmware updates will only occur with an MF 3.X update. (As it should be.) I've seen enough quirks with ipads and computers in general to not freak out about anything. (My new car just gave me a flashing check engine light and traction control off and ran like crap. I just shut the engine off and restarted it. Problem cured.)
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So your just halfway passing a big truck with another one coming the other way and your car flakes out, no problem?
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Just the one ipad fellas. I didn't realize the update was already on the pad. Must be a difficult thing to anticipate. I still say it should be when I want it, I lost the board mid song, very embarrassing, hard to imagine any executive thinking this is a good idea.
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Surely the update would try to load the moment the DL/iPad are turned on? For most that would be early in the setup/system proving stage of the gig. If it randomly updates during a show that would be very worrying. Are you sure you didn't inadvertently have the iPad connected to the internet during the show?
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Not deliberately but the bar may have had an open wifi. I have never been there before and didn't authorize it.
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Strange that it should ask to update mid gig then as the fw must have been there from when you switched it all on.
On a similar note. I had a slightly, lets say "non-optimum" time last night, I was running PA for a charity event with four acts from a duo to a four piece electric band. I was using my X32 (DL1608 in the car as backup) and didn't take my Airport Extreme router which is set up for my X32 but used the Airport Express that usually lives with the DL. I had made the settings identical to make them interchangeable but, while the iPad connected to the Express the Airport app told me the Express needed to update and, as there was no internet (or mobile signal) at the venue, this was not possible. I managed fine running from the desk but without faders it might have been another story. The sequel is that the X32 connected back to the Extreme the moment I got it home and I then plugged the Express to the DL and fired than up with the same result (and no update request)!
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That no dock stuff spooks me.
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Strange that it should ask to update mid gig then as the fw must have been there from when you switched it all on.
On a similar note. I had a slightly, lets say "non-optimum" time last night, I was running PA for a charity event with four acts from a duo to a four piece electric band. I was using my X32 (DL1608 in the car as backup) and didn't take my Airport Extreme router which is set up for my X32 but used the Airport Express that usually lives with the DL. I had made the settings identical to make them interchangeable but, while the iPad connected to the Express the Airport app told me the Express needed to update and, as there was no internet (or mobile signal) at the venue, this was not possible. I managed fine running from the desk but without faders it might have been another story. The sequel is that the X32 connected back to the Extreme the moment I got it home and I then plugged the Express to the DL and fired than up with the same result (and no update request)!
Yea that's Steve from the grave still working his magic. I don't understand why you didn't check the combo out before doing any work. ;)
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My 2014 Sienna wasn't going to pass any trucks with the check engine light flashing. I'm guessing there's a minimum operation level that the fuel injection / valve timing kick into and there isn't much power there. Restart and a couple of miles traveled and all 266 Horses came back to life. Weird crap happens with computers. By the way, bought the car in October and it's still about 2K short of its second service and first oil change. (My previous 1999 Sienna was totaled in an intersection.)
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Surely the update would try to load the moment the DL/iPad are turned on? For most that would be early in the setup/system proving stage of the gig. If it randomly updates during a show that would be very worrying. Are you sure you didn't inadvertently have the iPad connected to the internet during the show?
Mine had been running docked and undocked for some time (testing network cables). Update came during a re-dock.
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Strange that it should ask to update mid gig then as the fw must have been there from when you switched it all on.
On a similar note. I had a slightly, lets say "non-optimum" time last night, I was running PA for a charity event with four acts from a duo to a four piece electric band. I was using my X32 (DL1608 in the car as backup) and didn't take my Airport Extreme router which is set up for my X32 but used the Airport Express that usually lives with the DL. I had made the settings identical to make them interchangeable but, while the iPad connected to the Express the Airport app told me the Express needed to update and, as there was no internet (or mobile signal) at the venue, this was not possible. I managed fine running from the desk but without faders it might have been another story. The sequel is that the X32 connected back to the Extreme the moment I got it home and I then plugged the Express to the DL and fired than up with the same result (and no update request)!
Yea that's Steve from the grave still working his magic. I don't understand why you didn't check the combo out before doing any work. ;)
Yup, hindsight is 20-20 and knuckles have been rapped (mine in this case,). In my defence I had run the X32 with the Express before I bought the Extreme an all had been fine. TBH I had intended to use the DL with the X32 as backup but changed my mind at the last minute, hence not taking the X32's router. Im pretty sure the non-connection was an X32/DL quirk not Apple in this case.
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I was at an 8 band benefit yesterday. they were using the 32r. 5 band in the ipad freezes and the guy who owned the board freaked out. I was sitting behind him and I said did you try restarting it... Thanks to this forum I knew more about his 32R that he owned for 8 months then him. He called me on the ride home and confirmed that the ipad had been used for facebook in between sets so it was on wifi at the bar, it forced 3.02.
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You must always have automatic updates turned off if you are using an iPad for anything mission critical like mixing a show. It's been mentioned countless times on here and on various other forums. Several people have been forced into MF3 when they didn't want to and been unable to go back (it is possible to revert under certain circumstances, info here (http://info here)) because they didn't turn off auto updates.
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Dirty old Facebook, that's the key! Thanks so much.
Regards,
Wiliam
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Used it for rehearsal night before last and the EQ response time is much better.
Thanks very much indeed.
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I've just updated to MF3.0.2 as I have a gig tonight using another DL which is on V3 so I thought a bit of familiarisation would be a good idea. It is much improved from the previous incarnation, lag has all but gone even on the PEQ page, happy days ;D I'll be able to take my own iPads with me as backup too.