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Unofficial Mackie User Forums => DL1608/DL806/DL32R/ProDX Mixers => Topic started by: Kev tyler on March 03, 2015, 12:06:15 PM
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thats for nothing really isn't it given what this mixer does,
That's just under 500 if you add the Lightning adaptor.
Kev
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They'll be giving them away in Cornflakes next :facepalm:
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I think you're going to need a bigger box. ;)
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That's a great price..... :thu:
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Just out of curiosity, Does anyone know if you can use one ipad to control two DL mixers? (That information and $5 might get you coffee at Starbucks.)
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Just out of curiosity, Does anyone know if you can use one ipad to control two DL mixers? (That information and $5 might get you coffee at Starbucks.)
If your question is not rhetorical... I’m just guessing but I think since each DL can only connect to its own wireless network and I think that the iPad can only connect to one wireless network at a time, probably not. But that would be kinda cool just the same. 3 Creams and 3 sugars please? ;)
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If your question is not rhetorical... I’m just guessing but I think since each DL can only connect to its own wireless network
DL's cannot connect to a wireless network - they are wired ethernet only. I'm sure you can have multiple DL's to a single network. MF can switch between multiple DL's as long as they are on the same network. That network obviously needs a wireless adapter in it somewhere to communicate with your wireless iDevices. The wireless adapter is usually integrated with the router but doesn't need to be. You actually don't need a router at all as you probably won't be routing between the internet and your private network.
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Doesn't the DL need a router to provide DHCP routing? I don't think a simple access point will do that.
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If your question is not rhetorical... I’m just guessing but I think since each DL can only connect to its own wireless network
DL's cannot connect to a wireless network - they are wired ethernet only. I'm sure you can have multiple DL's to a single network. MF can switch between multiple DL's as long as they are on the same network. That network obviously needs a wireless adapter in it somewhere to communicate with your wireless iDevices. The wireless adapter is usually integrated with the router but doesn't need to be. You actually don't need a router at all as you probably won't be routing between the internet and your private network.
Perhaps I worded it wrong. I do realize that the DL only connects to a wired Ethernet only device. And the wireless feature in said device, in this case AirPort Express, enables the DL to communicate with the iPad etc. I presumed that was already a given, especially posting here. I will endeavor to be more literal in future postings. :) I guess I'll have to make my own coffee now. :(
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It just amazes me sometimes that people are so quick to pick on the little things like spelling mistakes, grammatical errors and the uninformed, instead of enjoying the sharing of information which I thought this forum was all about. We all do make mistakes once in while or so I believed. Sorry, bad day, feeling like crap.
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The question was mostly rhetorical, Just that if someone had two of the mixers would they need to have separate ipads for controlling both. I've come to the conclusion that Mackie probably didn't make the ipad capable of seeing two of the same mixers on WiFi. You would probably need to change the mixer the ipad was looking at and for those people who thought the PEQ was too slow, switching would seem to be as fast as a turtle. I'm thinking you wouldn't be able to use the airport expresss, but there are lots of wifi routers that have multiple wired network connections. If you don't already own two DLs, you probably would never purchase a second of the same size anyway. (And that DL32R would be tempting if you need that many channels.) Thanks for thinking it through.
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For those of you that are interested in the details RTFM pg.147-154 of the new manual. Network options have changed in MF3.x. Technically you can control multiple DL's from one iPad but as Wynnd pointed out you wouldn't want to go there.
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Actually two DL1608's and a cheap (or home made), passive, analogue summing device would give you a 32/8 I/O mixer (this concept has been discussed before on here or the old Mackie forum). If you already have a DL1608 then adding another may be a practical way to increase your input count. Maybe in a future version you'll be able to access multiple DLs from the same instance of Master Fader.
The only thing I'd add is that, as somebody has said recently, a tab based app is better for high input count systems than MF's scroll based system. The Berry X-Mix app is an example, it doesn't look anything like as easy as MF and lacks the 'always there' Master Fader (it's biggest shortcoming IMHO) but, while I can live without the eye-candy, MF is still the nicest app out there.
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I'm thinking you wouldn't be able to use the airport expresss, but there are lots of wifi routers that have multiple wired network connections.
I'm really not trying to be an arsehat but yous guy's understanding of networking is gonna continue to confuse all you all. Your typical wireless router has four function stuffed into one box:
Router (not needed by us in most configurations).
Multiport Switch.
DHCP server (needed because you can't assign a static IP to the DL1608 :( ).
Wireless Access Point (or two if dual band).
It's quite possible to have those functions in separate devices. It just happens that the cheapest alternative is to buy a "wirelss router" and not use it's router functionality.
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Okay I'll acknowledge my limited understanding of WiFi RR. So, what is the cheapest way to get a wifi access point with a built in DHCP server? Is it to buy a standard router/switch/DHCP server/wifi access point such as an Apple Airport of some flavour or similar? ;D
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Okay I'll acknowledge my limited understanding of WiFi RR. So, what is the cheapest way to get a wifi access point with a built in DHCP server? Is it to buy a standard router/switch/DHCP server/wifi access point such as an Apple Airport of some flavour or similar? ;D
Yup, that's what I said. Folks get all confused when they think of the DL as being "wireless" when it's not, and thinking that a network involves the internet, and etc...
Sure would be a lot more robust to have the DL have a static IP so it doesn't "miss" getting an IP if it is powered up at the same time as your DHCP server :( . I often have to change the power around after I'm first set up or the power gets otherwise interrupted and then you have to reboot the mixer after the router finishes booting. A mere split second power glitch often results in losing wireless connectivity and you don't really want to stop the show to reboot the mixer...
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Yup, agreed but it isn't truly "pro" kit in that respect :( Still, if it was we'd be paying a significant premium so I can live with it.
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Okay I'll acknowledge my limited understanding of WiFi RR. So, what is the cheapest way to get a wifi access point with a built in DHCP server? Is it to buy a standard router/switch/DHCP server/wifi access point such as an Apple Airport of some flavour or similar? ;D
Yup, that's what I said. Folks get all confused when they think of the DL as being "wireless" when it's not, and thinking that a network involves the internet, and etc...
Sure would be a lot more robust to have the DL have a static IP so it doesn't "miss" getting an IP if it is powered up at the same time as your DHCP server :( . I often have to change the power around after I'm first set up or the power gets otherwise interrupted and then you have to reboot the mixer after the router finishes booting. A mere split second power glitch often results in losing wireless connectivity and you don't really want to stop the show to reboot the mixer...
RR before you dig a deeper hole that your already in RTFM pgs. 147-154. You will find that the MF 3.x claims to have the ability to assign static IP addresses. Haven't tried it myself, too busy with other things. Probably want to do that docked and then set up the iPad if the address has changed. So you don't need a DHCP server since the iPad also allows static address assignments. Multihomed iPads are the WiFi and cellular connection versions. They can handle two separate networks. DL's of course are not included.
P.S. Behringer isn't the only one hiding features under edit :).
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RR before you dig a deeper hole that your already in RTFM pgs. 147-154. You will find that the MF 3.x claims to have the ability to assign static IP addresses.
I'll check that out, thanks! Sure would help me out at gigs :) .
EDIT> Kinda funny - I now remember seeing that and planning on doing it - but never got a round tuit :facepalm: x( :-\
'Nother Edit> Just to be ornery I ordered up a used AP:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/201282475028
So no DHCP and no router to worry about - plus no wall wart (internal AC power supply) :) .
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459 with the docking kit thrown in,
I reckon when they do it for 450 with the docking kit, rack bracket and plastic spacer I will jump in.
Kev
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459 with the docking kit thrown in,
I reckon when they do it for 450 with the docking kit, rack bracket and plastic spacer I will jump in.
Kev
One can only hope..it's been a l o o o n g journey for something as simple as a pro audio mixer purchase.....
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459 with the docking kit thrown in,
I reckon when they do it for 450 with the docking kit, rack bracket and plastic spacer I will jump in.
Kev
One can only hope..it's been a l o o o n g journey for something as simple as a pro audio mixer purchase.....
Oh come now, hold out for 449 ;)
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I did fork out 375 last week for a Allen and Heath, + 150 for new stands + new leads, so
It's just a matter of convincing wifey That we now need a spare digital mixer to keep my three PA systems company and maybe a spare pad?,..
445 is a good number,
:)
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C'mon Kev, DL806 very, very, very, very cheap!
Considering buying one because they're so flipping cheap :facepalm: ;)
It's all I can do to resist hitting the button on Thomann!!
If it wasn't for a new toy looming on the horizon, I wouldn't think twice about buying it or the lightning bundled one.....
BTW, just picked up yet another used ZED10 and ran it (just for kicks) last night on a very intimate gig.
It obviously lacked a lot of features that the DL (or any digi mixer has) but you know what? It sounded great.
Different, but great.
It's actually bigger and heavier than a DL.
Kudos to Mackie for giving us something so compact and full featured.
The ZED is user friendly though and perfect for unattended corporate AV gigs.
I don't think a DL or XR would ever be suited for that type of work.
Was lurking in the B* forums under my alter-ego and saw you bought a MixWiz, solid reliable choice IMO.
Analogue is still good ;)
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Think I commented on Master Fader 3's complexity. I like it for me, but think I'd have to block off a bunch of stuff so others don't screw with critical settings. If you have a helper, you need to get them up to par on this mixer. Prior to version 3, it wasn't that complicated. Most of us can deal with the extra toys.
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C'mon Kev, DL806 very, very, very, very cheap!
Considering buying one because they're so flipping cheap :facepalm: ;)
It's all I can do to resist hitting the button on Thomann!!
If it wasn't for a new toy looming on the horizon, I wouldn't think twice about buying it or the lightning bundled one.....
BTW, just picked up yet another used ZED10 and ran it (just for kicks) last night on a very intimate gig.
It obviously lacked a lot of features that the DL (or any digi mixer has) but you know what? It sounded great.
Different, but great.
It's actually bigger and heavier than a DL.
Kudos to Mackie for giving us something so compact and full featured.
The ZED is user friendly though and perfect for unattended corporate AV gigs.
I don't think a DL or XR would ever be suited for that type of work.
Was lurking in the B* forums under my alter-ego and saw you bought a MixWiz, solid reliable choice IMO.
Analogue is still good ;)
I absolutely agree the DL806 is VERY cheap considering the hardware/software that has matured to a mostly reliable OS right now.
Sooooo simple to use without any need for a user manual!
Kev, surely this a great option for you?
Cheap as chips for the mixer.
And after trying all the User interfaces from competitors I can't even imagine anyone being negative about what Mackie offers for both Master Fader, AND My fader.
Dive in man! You've wasted so much productive time "reaserching" ...
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Think I commented on Master Fader 3's complexity. I like it for me, but think I'd have to block off a bunch of stuff so others don't screw with critical settings. If you have a helper, you need to get them up to par on this mixer. Prior to version 3, it wasn't that complicated. Most of us can deal with the extra toys.
I had never heard of VCA's before MF3. Subgroups yes. Decades in the live sound industry had never exposed me to VCA's.
MF3 upgrade exposed me to VCA's for the first time. I googled VCA's and am now equipped with a really good knowledge of them.
So upgrading to MF3 exposed me to a small handful of new features I've never used before, but quickly became BIG positives from my perspective!
Complexity? No!
New, and very useful toys? YES!
So when you say "most of us can deal with the extra toys" I not only agree 100% but also hope that tentative DL buyers have more confidence in taking the plunge!
MF3 is as simple to use as MF2.
The only difference is a few added features that are super simple to grasp :)
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I also hadn't heard of VCAs. (DCAs apparently are almost the same thing.) My first good mixer was a CFX-12 Mackie. You had to run the output through the groups and I missed that when I bought my MixWiz. Glad to see them back in MF 3.x Now the phantom power should have only been on one bank of inputs. (Wonder if that's an easy modification?) I'm sure that Mackie has more plans for Master Fader, but if they didn't do anything outside of improve the effects, I could live with this mixer until I retire. (10 years max.)
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Hey guys
I agree, the Dl806 is an absolute snip, I just have to be crafty, skim a few euros from every gig and then get someone to buy it for me and then tell the wife I am swapping an empty bass bin for an old mixer,
Agree on the zed fx, absolutely solid, it took ages just getting the thing in bits in order to jerry fit some rack ears, it sounds nice and the only thing I am struggling with on it is with finding a set and forget reverb that all my acts are happy with
I agree master fader is a simple or more user friendly app than anything else, but I would not like to leave a Dl unattended in the hands of a young girl or guy who is unfamiliar with the app, and many of my gigs are like this now, where I set up two rigs and hop from gig to gig doing the first and last spot with a support act or two.
Keep the faith guys, mackie will defo get my custom soon, and I think so will berry when and if the baby x ever shows up,
Just lets keep it between us though, the wife and my three month old son have designs on my cash so much
Cheers
Kev :)
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RR before you dig a deeper hole that your already in RTFM pgs. 147-154. You will find that the MF 3.x claims to have the ability to assign static IP addresses.
I'll check that out, thanks! Sure would help me out at gigs :) .
EDIT> Kinda funny - I now remember seeing that and planning on doing it - but never got a round tuit :facepalm: x( :-\
'Nother Edit> Just to be ornery I ordered up a used AP:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/201282475028
So no DHCP and no router to worry about - plus no wall wart (internal AC power supply) :) .
Hey how's that AP working out for you?
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Hey how's that AP working out for you?
I actually have a second now (same make and model) - but still haven't got a round tuit ;) .
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And I thought I was slooow. ;)
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I also hadn't heard of VCAs. (DCAs apparently are almost the same thing.)
VCA's (Voltage control amplifiers) and DCA's (digital controlled amplifiers) perform identical functions. They are analog and digital equivalents to each other. I have a feeling that Mackie just calls them VCA's because that is the traditional name. Digital mixers will most likely use DCA's. Subs are different in that they are a bus, much the same as the L/R mains bus. The VCA/DCA on the other hand, is not a mix bus. Rather, it controls the channels directly. Turning up a DCA is effectively the same as turning up all the faders assigned to it. So if there happens to be post fader auxilaries, they will be effected too. This is benificial because effects sends are usually post fader. Traditional VCA's were usually reserved for the high end analog consoles because of the costs involved in adding the functionality to them. The last VCA mixer I used was a Soundcraft MH3 but since then everything has gone digital.
Okay I'll acknowledge my limited understanding of WiFi RR. So, what is the cheapest way to get a wifi access point with a built in DHCP server? Is it to buy a standard router/switch/DHCP server/wifi access point such as an Apple Airport of some flavour or similar? ;D
Yup, that's what I said. Folks get all confused when they think of the DL as being "wireless" when it's not, and thinking that a network involves the internet, and etc...
Sure would be a lot more robust to have the DL have a static IP so it doesn't "miss" getting an IP if it is powered up at the same time as your DHCP server :( . I often have to change the power around after I'm first set up or the power gets otherwise interrupted and then you have to reboot the mixer after the router finishes booting. A mere split second power glitch often results in losing wireless connectivity and you don't really want to stop the show to reboot the mixer...
RR before you dig a deeper hole that your already in RTFM pgs. 147-154. You will find that the MF 3.x claims to have the ability to assign static IP addresses. Haven't tried it myself, too busy with other things. Probably want to do that docked and then set up the iPad if the address has changed. So you don't need a DHCP server since the iPad also allows static address assignments. Multihomed iPads are the WiFi and cellular connection versions. They can handle two separate networks. DL's of course are not included.
P.S. Behringer isn't the only one hiding features under edit :).
I've changed my DL32R to a static IP. It works great and connectivity is rock solid. You'll find the IP controls in the device list. Look for the "i" inside the circle on the right hand side of the device list. Shouldn't be a problem running 2 mixers on the same network. However, you'll need to switch back and forth between them if you only have one iPad. Also, if you simply unplug the Ethernet cable from your mixer for a second instead of turning the mixer off, you can reestablish a connection without interrupting your show.