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Unofficial Mackie User Forums => DL1608/DL806/DL32R/ProDX Mixers => Topic started by: troy mcclure on April 10, 2015, 11:04:39 PM
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My lack of posts must mean i am getting the hang of the DL1608. I currently carry a small desk form mixer as back up just in case but am thinking it would make better sense to find a 6-8 channel rack xlr mixer that can live in a case I will dedicate to the DL1608 and the power conditioner. As it would only be for emergencies, I would only run vocals and kick in it so 1 Aux for the monitors would work....
Any suggestions?
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I'm not aware of much available with 8/3 I/O in a 1U rack. My backup to the 1608 is a battered old Mackie 1202VLZ, it'll get me 3 or 4 vox and any DI's I need (the stereo line channels will handle a dynamic kick mic if pressed). No fx but I'm thinking of an A&H Zed 10fx to replace the 1202 if I sell the DL . The X32 Rack I bought last week makes the DL a bit redundant so it's up for sale but if it doesn't make a decent price I'll just keep it as a spare/bar gig desk.
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I see where you're coming from. I carry my recording mixer as a backup, but haven't taken it out of the car. (Cause I haven't needed it.) The DL1608 hiccups a lot and has some quirks, but basically it's a good mixer.
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I carry a little Allen & Heath ZED10 in a small briefcase that lives behind the seat in my truck. it only has 4 XLR's and 3 stereo line ins but it would be enough to get me through most gigs if the DL does poos and wees.
it only has 2 AUX which would be enough for some very basic foldback, and my 4RU rack has a backup DBX 231 EQ just in case, as well as my DBX Driverack PX.
Obviously with so few channels available on the ZED the drums would have to run unmiked for the gig, same with guitar, but i could still DI the bass, keys, or any other DI'd source. :)
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Behringer XR12 ;) . I'm actually considering picking one up to use as a bass rig that I could mic the kick through also when I'm playing with someone else's vocals-only PA.
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I have an A&H ZED10 that lives in a small case in the van. I've never needed to use it as a backup (my DL never let me down) but it's done a few gigs just for the heck of it :)
The price of a DL806 makes them damn hard to ignore at the moment.
Proven and familiar for you?
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Ditto on the Zed10. Always take it into the gig, hasn't ever been the used. This DL has never let me down. 8)
I was going to suggest the XR12 and 16 as well. Seems to be a good price point for both, especially for all the features that are included. ;) The 806, like robbocurry mentioned is also an excellent choice too. I think the XR's rack mount in a smaller space though.
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Hahaha there musta been a sale running on these little ZED10's :lol:
Ripper little mixers!
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Behringer XR12 ;) . I'm actually considering picking one up to use as a bass rig that I could mic the kick through also when I'm playing with someone else's vocals-only PA.
I like the idea of one of these too, but what should I keep as a backup to it? :angel:
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Behringer XR12 ;) . I'm actually considering picking one up to use as a bass rig that I could mic the kick through also when I'm playing with someone else's vocals-only PA.
I like the idea of one of these too, but what should I keep as a backup to it? :angel:
Backup here for a moment! A backup of the backup of the backup? :eek: Gonna need a bigger box, or van. :lol:
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I have an 8 channel Carvin concert series, solid, cheap, 4 separate monitor sends + 2 effects built in and very logical, a great small board.
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Behringer XR12 ;) . I'm actually considering picking one up to use as a bass rig that I could mic the kick through also when I'm playing with someone else's vocals-only PA.
I like the idea of one of these too, but what should I keep as a backup to it? :angel:
Backup here for a moment! A backup of the backup of the backup? :eek: Gonna need a bigger box, or van. :lol:
You don't need a backup for the Zed10, you've got your DL :facepalm:
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Behringer XR12 ;) . I'm actually considering picking one up to use as a bass rig that I could mic the kick through also when I'm playing with someone else's vocals-only PA.
I like the idea of one of these too, but what should I keep as a backup to it? :angel:
Backup here for a moment! A backup of the backup of the backup? :eek: Gonna need a bigger box, or van. :lol:
You don't need a backup for the Zed10, you've got your DL :face palm
You can never have enough redundancy ;D
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Behringer XR12 ;) . I'm actually considering picking one up to use as a bass rig that I could mic the kick through also when I'm playing with someone else's vocals-only PA.
I like the idea of one of these too, but what should I keep as a backup to it? :angel:
Backup here for a moment! A backup of the backup of the backup? :eek: Gonna need a bigger box, or van. :lol:
You don't need a backup for the Zed10, you've got your DL :face palm
You can never have enough redundancy ;D
This is getting redundant. :lol:
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Behringer XR12 ;) . I'm actually considering picking one up to use as a bass rig that I could mic the kick through also when I'm playing with someone else's vocals-only PA.
I like the idea of one of these too, but what should I keep as a backup to it? :angel:
Backup here for a moment! A backup of the backup of the backup? :eek: Gonna need a bigger box, or van. :lol:
You don't need a backup for the Zed10, you've got your DL :face palm
You can never have enough redundancy ;D
This is getting redundant. :lol:
As long as there's a good payout :lol:
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Roadranger, the issue with the berhinger x12 is if the Ipad controlling the 1608 is the reason I need a back up I am SOOL. I would have to carry a back-up tablet or laptop.. I currently bring a Yamaha mx series alog, but it does take up space and i do have to remember to put it in each gig and it could stay in my practice space as my vocal mixer where it belongs...
I might try a behringer mix ultra- link splitter... not fancy volume and channel blend only but it does meet my requirements and I can always use my powered speakers for master volume adjustment.... again this is only an emergency rig.
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I have an A&H ZED10 that lives in a small case in the van. I've never needed to use it as a backup (my DL never let me down) but it's done a few gigs just for the heck of it :)
The price of a DL806 makes them damn hard to ignore at the moment.
Proven and familiar for you?
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I thought of that but if the ipad goes down....
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Totally understand the need for a backup, I go the opposite way and carry a 16 channel powered Yamaha board.
This is for the following reasons:
need at least 12 channels to squeak by with.
If my power amp craps out I can always use the Yamahas 2-500watt amps to power the mains or monitors
It has 8 channels with compressors and a decent FX section and EQ section.
It is not crazy big or heavy. I simply leave it in the van and don't have to load or unload it each time.
It's just there,along with spare wires and tools.
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No-one can beat this for a backup. http://cacophony.aspinock.com/index.php?topic=355.0
Last time I bagged 6 for $49.99 and $29.99 of that was shipping. Add a fan for $8 and you need to be handy making cables. Mount a 32 connector panel in the back and you can switch in less than 2 minutes from your DL1608 to 8 mic/line and 4 line inputs (loose the drums). Far less adjustments especially if you're a performer/FOH type. Yes you need a PC of sorts for setup but that can be done beforehand. I also bring out three switches for emergencies Mute and volume up and down on output 1 (L&R). It also has a lot of filters, compressor, delays and crossover functions along with lots of setup tools (White,Pink,single and scanning freq.). It understands NOM. You can go all out with macros and lots of setup storage. The pre's are better than Mackie's or Behringer's. It did after all have a MSRP $5200 price tag in 2002. Just don't buy one with a dead fan like Sam or Robbo ( sorry forgot who) and expect it to last.
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I purchased a zed 10fx recently whilst I contemplated jumping in to the digital pond, it's a solid little desk, but I hate the fx, has anyone else found them a bit weird?
Kev
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I purchased a zed 10fx recently whilst I contemplated jumping in to the digital pond, it's a solid little desk, but I hate the fx, has anyone else found them a bit weird?
Kev
They need a little work IME :)
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No-one can beat this for a backup. http://cacophony.aspinock.com/index.php?topic=355.0
Last time I bagged 6 for $49.99 and $29.99 of that was shipping. Add a fan for $8 and you need to be handy making cables. Mount a 32 connector panel in the back and you can switch in less than 2 minutes from your DL1608 to 8 mic/line and 4 line inputs (loose the drums). Far less adjustments especially if you're a performer/FOH type. Yes you need a PC of sorts for setup but that can be done beforehand. I also bring out three switches for emergencies Mute and volume up and down on output 1 (L&R). It also has a lot of filters, compressor, delays and crossover functions along with lots of setup tools (White,Pink,single and scanning freq.). It understands NOM. You can go all out with macros and lots of setup storage. The pre's are better than Mackie's or Behringer's. It did after all have a MSRP $5200 price tag in 2002. Just don't buy one with a dead fan like Sam or Robbo ( sorry forgot who) and expect it to last.
Not me Bill, hard to get that cheap this side of the pond :(
EDIT: I stand corrected, just saw two on eBay for £30 plus P&P. Might dip my toe just to see what they're about....
EDIT TWO: Oops! Just bought one for £25. Will check the fan 1st thing!
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No-one can beat this for a backup. http://cacophony.aspinock.com/index.php?topic=355.0
Last time I bagged 6 for $49.99 and $29.99 of that was shipping. Add a fan for $8 and you need to be handy making cables. Mount a 32 connector panel in the back and you can switch in less than 2 minutes from your DL1608 to 8 mic/line and 4 line inputs (loose the drums). Far less adjustments especially if you're a performer/FOH type. Yes you need a PC of sorts for setup but that can be done beforehand. I also bring out three switches for emergencies Mute and volume up and down on output 1 (L&R). It also has a lot of filters, compressor, delays and crossover functions along with lots of setup tools (White,Pink,single and scanning freq.). It understands NOM. You can go all out with macros and lots of setup storage. The pre's are better than Mackie's or Behringer's. It did after all have a MSRP $5200 price tag in 2002. Just don't buy one with a dead fan like Sam or Robbo ( sorry forgot who) and expect it to last.
Not me Bill, hard to get that cheap this side of the pond :(
EDIT: I stand corrected, just saw two on eBay for £30 plus P&P. Might dip my toe just to see what they're about....
EDIT TWO: Oops! Just bought one for £25. Will check the fan 1st thing!
Probably right £ for one unit. Word of caution shut off AEC and NP or you can get some interesting side effects. The unit's main goal was vocal clarity and remote voice communication. So unless delay's are adequate for FX you need external FX if you're into that. Just as a feedback control (up to 15 notch filters) and setup aid it's paid for itself. I've used them for going on 9 years even cascading units, delay is 150 microseconds input to output unless you send it thru the secondary filters which adds another 150 microseconds. Compared to 1500 microseconds for the DL. I've used them remote (USB Bluetooth to RS232) with a tablet (Toshiba R15, meters are slow but then you can get used to them like the MF3). Lots of additional features and it can be used for many functions limited only by your imagination. Solid design intended for 24/7/365 unattended operation.
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No-one can beat this for a backup. http://cacophony.aspinock.com/index.php?topic=355.0
Last time I bagged 6 for $49.99 and $29.99 of that was shipping. Add a fan for $8 and you need to be handy making cables. Mount a 32 connector panel in the back and you can switch in less than 2 minutes from your DL1608 to 8 mic/line and 4 line inputs (loose the drums). Far less adjustments especially if you're a performer/FOH type. Yes you need a PC of sorts for setup but that can be done beforehand. I also bring out three switches for emergencies Mute and volume up and down on output 1 (L&R). It also has a lot of filters, compressor, delays and crossover functions along with lots of setup tools (White,Pink,single and scanning freq.). It understands NOM. You can go all out with macros and lots of setup storage. The pre's are better than Mackie's or Behringer's. It did after all have a MSRP $5200 price tag in 2002. Just don't buy one with a dead fan like Sam or Robbo ( sorry forgot who) and expect it to last.
Not me Bill, hard to get that cheap this side of the pond :(
EDIT: I stand corrected, just saw two on eBay for £30 plus P&P. Might dip my toe just to see what they're about....
EDIT TWO: Oops! Just bought one for £25. Will check the fan 1st thing!
Probably right £ for one unit. Word of caution shut off AEC and NP or you can get some interesting side effects. The unit's main goal was vocal clarity and remote voice communication. So unless delay's are adequate for FX you need external FX if you're into that. Just as a feedback control (up to 15 notch filters) and setup aid it's paid for itself. I've used them for going on 9 years even cascading units, delay is 150 milliseconds input to output unless you send it thru the secondary filters which adds another 150 milliseconds. Compared to 1500 milliseconds for the DL. I've used them remote (USB Bluetooth to RS232) with a tablet (Toshiba R15, meters are slow but then you can get used to them like the MF3). Lots of additional features and it can be used for many functions limited only by your imagination. Solid design intended for 24/7/365 unattended operation.
Yeah, will be interesting to see what it does, bit of a bargain for sure!
I'd like to run it wirelessly so probably go RS232/Bluetooth as you said.
I take it I'll need a Windows tablet of some variety or some kind of "screen sharing app"?
Using a laptop wouldn't be a hardship either ;)
Will need to order some Phoenix connectors too....
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I've run it under XP and W7 (one error message to politely ignore). Usually the connectors are still attached to the unit otherwise they're about $0.90 in US ... UK?
It is a Windows app don't know if it runs on Mac in Windows emulation.
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[...] delay is 150 milliseconds input to output unless you send it thru the secondary filters which adds another 150 milliseconds. Compared to 1500 milliseconds for the DL. [...]
Eek! But I suspect you meant "microseconds" not "milliseconds" ;) .
What would I do without you! ;) Yes microseconds! Fixed in post.
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I purchased a zed 10fx recently whilst I contemplated jumping in to the digital pond, it's a solid little desk, but I hate the fx, has anyone else found them a bit weird?
Kev
Kev, my ZED10 doesn't have FX, but I have used the ZED10FX model a few times in the past.
I also owned a ZED16FX for 3+ years up until 2 weeks ago when I sold it.
I always found the built in FX on the A&H ZED mixers to be pretty damn good, especially considering the "cheap and cheerful" category these wonderful little mixers fall into.
Most of the ZED's built in FX sound better than what the DL1608 offers.
I've been following your posts for a quite a while, since 25 September last year, and it quickly became obvious that you want as much bang for your buck as possible.
That's ok. I think we all do.
But as far as I'm concerned I'm more than happy to "go with the flow" in regards to built in FX on BUDGET CONSCIOUS audio gear.
My A&H ZED experience has shown me that their built in FX are nicer than the ones in my DL. But not by much.
But I'm happy to live with them considering the current price bracket I'm spending.
For low $ I expect nothing more than "ok" FX.
If you want epically awesome reverbs, delays, choruses, etc, you really need to consider a different level of audio gear.
More expensive probably.
Or if Mackie simply can't provide REALLY GOOD built in FX at any level then you're probably wasting your time here
My guess right now would be that no matter what BUDGET mixer you finally end up buying, be it digital or analogue, will likely fall short of your demanding expectations.
Maybe if Behringer offers fantasmagorical on its cheap as chips, low end mixers then that may be the best way for you to go.
Cheap to buy. Lotsa great features that make you happy and satisfied. No more time wasting, hand wringing, or rocking back and forth.
Just an observation from someone else who "researches the shit" out of everything I buy....but makes a concrete decision in well under 7 months :)
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I think we’re all demanding on what gear we buy. Sometimes it just takes us a little longer to decide what we really want for the money we can actually afford, no matter the price. Whatever gear we buy, cheap, expensive, or somewhere in between, it’s a very big investment, not something to be taken lightly.
Forums like this are a good way to discuss, share information and make decisions based on other professional’s experiences and opinions. I only do sound maybe twice a month now if I’m lucky and really have to justify spending on gear. It took me almost a year of research and waffling to upgrade my powered speakers. We’re all different and that’s what makes this forum so interesting. 8)
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I purchased a zed 10fx recently whilst I contemplated jumping in to the digital pond, it's a solid little desk, but I hate the fx, has anyone else found them a bit weird?
Kev
Kev, my ZED10 doesn't have FX, but I have used the ZED10FX model a few times in the past.
I also owned a ZED16FX for 3+ years up until 2 weeks ago when I sold it.
I always found the built in FX on the A&H ZED mixers to be pretty damn good, especially considering the "cheap and cheerful" category these wonderful little mixers fall into.
Most of the ZED's built in FX sound better than what the DL1608 offers.
I've been following your posts for a quite a while, since 25 September last year, and it quickly became obvious that you want as much bang for your buck as possible.
That's ok. I think we all do.
But as far as I'm concerned I'm more than happy to "go with the flow" in regards to built in FX on BUDGET CONSCIOUS audio gear.
My A&H ZED experience has shown me that their built in FX are nicer than the ones in my DL. But not by much.
But I'm happy to live with them considering the current price bracket I'm spending.
For low $ I expect nothing more than "ok" FX.
If you want epically awesome reverbs, delays, choruses, etc, you really need to consider a different level of audio gear.
More expensive probably.
Or if Mackie simply can't provide REALLY GOOD built in FX at any level then you're probably wasting your time here
My guess right now would be that no matter what BUDGET mixer you finally end up buying, be it digital or analogue, will likely fall short of your demanding expectations.
Maybe if Behringer offers fantasmagorical on its cheap as chips, low end mixers then that may be the best way for you to go.
Cheap to buy. Lotsa great features that make you happy and satisfied. No more time wasting, hand wringing, or rocking back and forth.
Just an observation from someone else who "researches the shit" out of everything I buy....but makes a concrete decision in well under 7 months :)
Hi sir Krang,
Thanks for the response, I am not after a mind blowing mixer experience, as a solo or duo, i don't need chorus or echo or a zillion routing options, just one decent reverb patch and an app that can cope with playback and control at the same time , up to the recent birth of my son, I would have happily spent a thousand dollars on a three input mixer if one existed, but since I have abandoned my premium gigs I don't really need anything clever, as you suggest berry and co have had me tooing and throwing for some time but I am in no hurry and whatever my decisions are it really has no impact on anyone here or on the other forum does it?
Back to the topic, I do have a couple of digital reverbs here, an old quadravverb and an upmarket Yamaha job, I just don't have room in my rack for them and have to get by without them.
I know I am taking a long time to jump in to the digital pond but it's tough here, there is no differential in pay between an act with lights, an act with ten inch speakers an act with lights and subs and mid tops all processed, using a 1000 euro mic or a thoman t bone mic, one of the acts here I notice only brings one speaker in, 😂 and
I saw a really good duo on Sunday with no FOH pa at all , but had two ev s 200 as floor wedges doing monitors and main pa.
My wembley stadium aspirations are well behind me now, so with relation to upgrades, everything i do now is for my own satisfaction, And with relation to playing to 50 to 100 people, the audience don't care about sound to a degree, and won't be bothered if I have a digi or analogue desk, they might notice the digital sugar coating is making everything nice but I doubt it, in the bread and butter world people have become accustomed to the sound of thoman plastic, so I can afford to wait and wait and wait and hope that eventually a product comes along that will make me part with my cash, probably to keep my own interest in the job more than anything else, right now the problems with the new x range, and the ongoing issues with the Dl are making me do nothing and I am sure you can all understand that.
Cheers
Kev
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I purchased a zed 10fx recently whilst I contemplated jumping in to the digital pond, it's a solid little desk, but I hate the fx, has anyone else found them a bit weird?
Kev
Kev, my ZED10 doesn't have FX, but I have used the ZED10FX model a few times in the past.
I also owned a ZED16FX for 3+ years up until 2 weeks ago when I sold it.
I always found the built in FX on the A&H ZED mixers to be pretty damn good, especially considering the "cheap and cheerful" category these wonderful little mixers fall into.
Most of the ZED's built in FX sound better than what the DL1608 offers.
I've been following your posts for a quite a while, since 25 September last year, and it quickly became obvious that you want as much bang for your buck as possible.
That's ok. I think we all do.
But as far as I'm concerned I'm more than happy to "go with the flow" in regards to built in FX on BUDGET CONSCIOUS audio gear.
My A&H ZED experience has shown me that their built in FX are nicer than the ones in my DL. But not by much.
But I'm happy to live with them considering the current price bracket I'm spending.
For low $ I expect nothing more than "ok" FX.
If you want epically awesome reverbs, delays, choruses, etc, you really need to consider a different level of audio gear.
More expensive probably.
Or if Mackie simply can't provide REALLY GOOD built in FX at any level then you're probably wasting your time here
My guess right now would be that no matter what BUDGET mixer you finally end up buying, be it digital or analogue, will likely fall short of your demanding expectations.
Maybe if Behringer offers fantasmagorical on its cheap as chips, low end mixers then that may be the best way for you to go.
Cheap to buy. Lotsa great features that make you happy and satisfied. No more time wasting, hand wringing, or rocking back and forth.
Just an observation from someone else who "researches the shit" out of everything I buy....but makes a concrete decision in well under 7 months :)
Hi sir Krang,
Thanks for the response, I am not after a mind blowing mixer experience, as a solo or duo, i don't need chorus or echo or a zillion routing options, just one decent reverb patch and an app that can cope with playback and control at the same time , up to the recent birth of my son, I would have happily spent a thousand dollars on a three input mixer if one existed, but since I have abandoned my premium gigs I don't really need anything clever, as you suggest berry and co have had me tooing and throwing for some time but I am in no hurry and whatever my decisions are it really has no impact on anyone here or on the other forum does it?
Back to the topic, I do have a couple of digital reverbs here, an old quadravverb and an upmarket Yamaha job, I just don't have room in my rack for them and have to get by without them.
I know I am taking a long time to jump in to the digital pond but it's tough here, there is no differential in pay between an act with lights, an act with ten inch speakers an act with lights and subs and mid tops all processed, using a 1000 euro mic or a thoman t bone mic, one of the acts here I notice only brings one speaker in, 😂 and
I saw a really good duo on Sunday with no FOH pa at all , but had two ev s 200 as floor wedges doing monitors and main pa.
My wembley stadium aspirations are well behind me now, so with relation to upgrades, everything i do now is for my own satisfaction, And with relation to playing to 50 to 100 people, the audience don't care about sound to a degree, and won't be bothered if I have a digi or analogue desk, they might notice the digital sugar coating is making everything nice but I doubt it, in the bread and butter world people have become accustomed to the sound of thoman plastic, so I can afford to wait and wait and wait and hope that eventually a product comes along that will make me part with my cash, probably to keep my own interest in the job more than anything else, right now the problems with the new x range, and the ongoing issues with the Dl are making me do nothing and I am sure you can all understand that.
Cheers
Kev
Honestly Kev, I'm not sure what the "ongoing issues with the DL" really are?
The lack of posting on this forum suggests that MF3.0 has matured and there is nothing really worth talking about at the moment. :thu:
I know some of the guys may have different and less favourable opinions regarding the DL but I was using my DL 2-3 times every week for nearly two years and nothing - I repeat nothing - that the DL ever did, impacted negatively on a gig during that time.
I don't expect any audience to know or care about how good the sound is, but I care.
That's why I'll usually buy something perhaps a little better than I really need.
On the other hand, I'll minimize the amount of gear I bring in if I can, especially if on a tight budget, but I'll still want it to be good too!
If you're getting away with what you have and it's not bothering you, I'd save my money and buy FA cup final tickets for Arsenal vs Aston Villa instead! :lol:
Having said that, the DL806 is so damn cheap at the moment and it's here right now. A definite upgrade to the ZED10, much as it has it's merits!!
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Hi robbo,
Sorry mate I don't have an issue with the Dl, the pricing for the 806 is right up my street, and the issues I guess I mention are basically a single issue now, the reverb. As I said I have alesis and Yamaha reverb units, but I just don't want to buy a Dl and a new rack and that bit of metal and that plastic thing and the dock while I am getting by ok ish with my analogue desks,
I am glad that the other Dl stuff has been dealt with, and I am sure you are all happy with your lot, it's just unfortunate for me that while I have been dilly dallying, and hypnotized by " coming soon" I have relocated started a family and took a huge pay cut and now work with totally untechnical guest acts who need hand holding with a basic normal desk, I do enjoy participating in these forums and I am sorry that my lack of ownership winds people up, I don't mean to do this, but I like it here and still feel that the manufacturers need to hear my voice regardless of ownership or not.
With relation to the original question surely a Dl 806 at 400 odd euros is the only spare mixer one would need in case of a failure, and the football , yakk, it's the curse of this costa, nothing happens onstage here until the 6 blokes have finished watching the footy,
Cheers
Kev
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Hi robbo,
Sorry mate I don't have an issue with the Dl, the pricing for the 806 is right up my street, and the issues I guess I mention are basically a single issue now, the reverb. As I said I have alesis and Yamaha reverb units, but I just don't want to buy a Dl and a new rack and that bit of metal and that plastic thing and the dock while I am getting by ok ish with my analogue desks,
I am glad that the other Dl stuff has been dealt with, and I am sure you are all happy with your lot, it's just unfortunate for me that while I have been dilly dallying, and hypnotized by " coming soon" I have relocated started a family and took a huge pay cut and now work with totally untechnical guest acts who need hand holding with a basic normal desk, I do enjoy participating in these forums and I am sorry that my lack of ownership winds people up, I don't mean to do this, but I like it here and still feel that the manufacturers need to hear my voice regardless of ownership or not.
With relation to the original question surely a Dl 806 at 400 odd euros is the only spare mixer one would need in case of a failure, and the football , yakk, it's the curse of this costa, nothing happens onstage here until the 6 blokes have finished watching the footy,
Cheers
Kev
Fair play Kev. ;)
If it ain't broke and all that..... :thu:
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yes robbo
But when the right new product comes along I will tell the wife my old but perfectly fine product is broke
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yes robbo
But when the right new product comes along I will tell the wife my old but perfectly fine product is broke
:)
I need to learn to be a little less honest, I guess. I thought I'd blown my keyboard amp at a gig the other night, which I told her. But I also told her that it was still working okay after I tested it the next day... Hmmm... Guess I didn't really think that through, did I? :eek:
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Telling tales to your spouses to get new gear? Shameful. Never did it in 27 years of marriage. :angel:
PS: I'm keeping an eye out for errant lightning bolts! ;)
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There is some truth to Tyler Perry's "Hell Hath No Fury Like A Woman Scorned". Beware of lies, they always have a way of finding out, it's in their DNA.
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What's that gag?
If I die , I hope the wife doesn't sell my gear for what she thinks I paid for it
Or similar?
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What's that gag?
If I die , I hope the wife doesn't sell my gear for what she thinks I paid for it
Or similar?
HA HA HA
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I should do an inventory of current values of my most cherished gear. My '75 Les Paul Custom cost me £313 (new) in 1978, it's not mint and only mostly original, being my main guitar for the first 20 years but it's probably just about kept pace with inflation so is probably worth £1600-1700 now (plus the pleasure it has afforded me over the years). 8)
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So in woman land, it's worth about 100 quid,
I wonder does anyone ever leave a "what to do in case of " note for the wife?
:)
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So in woman land, it's worth about 100 quid,
I wonder does anyone ever leave a "what to do in case of " note for the wife?
:)
I'm involved in some other interests as well, and in those areas, we certainly do!
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I wonder does anyone ever leave a "what to do in case of " note for the wife? :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMiEFyTuuh8
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Cheers mate
:)
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No-one can beat this for a backup. http://cacophony.aspinock.com/index.php?topic=355.0
Last time I bagged 6 for $49.99 and $29.99 of that was shipping. Add a fan for $8 and you need to be handy making cables. Mount a 32 connector panel in the back and you can switch in less than 2 minutes from your DL1608 to 8 mic/line and 4 line inputs (loose the drums). Far less adjustments especially if you're a performer/FOH type. Yes you need a PC of sorts for setup but that can be done beforehand. I also bring out three switches for emergencies Mute and volume up and down on output 1 (L&R). It also has a lot of filters, compressor, delays and crossover functions along with lots of setup tools (White,Pink,single and scanning freq.). It understands NOM. You can go all out with macros and lots of setup storage. The pre's are better than Mackie's or Behringer's. It did after all have a MSRP $5200 price tag in 2002. Just don't buy one with a dead fan like Sam or Robbo ( sorry forgot who) and expect it to last.
Not me Bill, hard to get that cheap this side of the pond :(
EDIT: I stand corrected, just saw two on eBay for £30 plus P&P. Might dip my toe just to see what they're about....
EDIT TWO: Oops! Just bought one for £25. Will check the fan 1st thing!
Probably right £ for one unit. Word of caution shut off AEC and NP or you can get some interesting side effects. The unit's main goal was vocal clarity and remote voice communication. So unless delay's are adequate for FX you need external FX if you're into that. Just as a feedback control (up to 15 notch filters) and setup aid it's paid for itself. I've used them for going on 9 years even cascading units, delay is 150 microseconds input to output unless you send it thru the secondary filters which adds another 150 microseconds. Compared to 1500 microseconds for the DL. I've used them remote (USB Bluetooth to RS232) with a tablet (Toshiba R15, meters are slow but then you can get used to them like the MF3). Lots of additional features and it can be used for many functions limited only by your imagination. Solid design intended for 24/7/365 unattended operation.
Hey WK,
My XAP800 arrived the other day. :)
It's a nice clean unit inside and out with a good fan.
It hooked up with my MBP on Bootcamp without much fuss, just a Baud rate change on the unit.
Just waiting on a few more Phoenix connectors to arrive before I rack it up.
Curious about your wireless Bluetooth control of the unit, just wondering what particular adapter you used for that?
Now I need to spend some time familiarising myself with G-Ware to route some pseudo AUXes if I can.....
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I originally purchased these http://gridconnect.com/industrial-wireless/bluetooth-serial/bluetooth-serial-port.html several years ago, but this outfit http://www.usconverters.com/serial-rs232-bluetooth-adapter has similar units for a lot less. Maybe you can find someone in the UK that carries or even makes this.
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I originally purchased these http://gridconnect.com/industrial-wireless/bluetooth-serial/bluetooth-serial-port.html several years ago, but this outfit http://www.usconverters.com/serial-rs232-bluetooth-adapter has similar units for a lot less. Maybe you can find someone in the UK that carries or even makes this.
Thanks, I'll check them out :)