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Behringer X-Air / Re: Embedded WiFi in X-Air/ M-Air tests
« Last post by WK154 on January 20, 2019, 08:11:05 PM »
For those of you that are in the market for a WiFi router you may want to future-proof your purchase by considering a 802.11ax unit if your budget allows. It will no doubt take more time before Tablets catch up to this spec but it has been available since late 2017. I would expect the next batch of new gear to have this in 2019. Even some 802.11ac gear can benefit from the /ax version.
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Behringer X-Air / Re: Embedded WiFi in X-Air/ M-Air tests
« Last post by WK154 on January 19, 2019, 08:42:57 PM »
After 63 hrs. I'm pulling the plug on this test. With three PC's (one wired) two Androids and one iPad 3 all working just fine. So the conclusion for now is if you update or even just received your unit from the "Factory" do a FACTORY reset (paper clip) then reboot Buy yourself a current /AC router (5GHz) or go wired to do gigs. There are enough other things to deal with and learn.
Cheers
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Behringer X-Air / Re: Embedded WiFi in X-Air/ M-Air tests
« Last post by WK154 on January 19, 2019, 05:51:41 AM »
It's now been 48 hrs. and no disconnects have happened. Beacon messages (packets) issued on a consistent regular basis by the AP (Linksys) is the reason for this results. I believe that a loss of Beacon packets is the reason for iPad and even PC disconnects that are the cause with the internal AP. There are also reasons not controllable by the mixer or router that would cause this as well. The most obvious is a high activity on a specific wavelength which would delay the Beacon packets as can happen with a high concentration of cellphones looking for Internet connections. So for now the 5 GHz bands are still sparsely used. How long this will last is anyone's guess. At that point wire or another frequency band will be the reliable solution. IoT will certainly not help with this. It would also help if the disconnect decision of the iPad and PC would be closer to the 6 second duration of Android.

P.S. For those of you new to this it was determined five years ago with the DL1608 and external WiFi routers.
http://cacophony.aspinock.com/index.php?topic=188.msg898#msg898
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DL1608/DL806/DL32R/ProDX Mixers / Re: iOS DL16S experience
« Last post by WK154 on January 19, 2019, 12:31:52 AM »
Without getting into a lot of semantics Pg 91 of the V5.0 Mackie reference manual explains it quite well (including their Note which recommends against your approach). It appears that Wynnd had a problem with the Trim control not staying where he wanted it and that's the BUG. Whether Mackie want's Trim to function as per manual and like your DL32R at present it doesn't. Neither of us have a DLXXS to test. My Android MF V5.0.1 allows adjustment of trim without resetting to a previous setting, but that's without a mixer attached (Offline). So I would let Wynnd explain it further. He also used a iPad for control which will have a different set of Bugs compared to a Android and soon to be a PC and Mac. :) V5.0.1 may have fixed that as well.
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DL1608/DL806/DL32R/ProDX Mixers / Re: NAMM 2019 and Mackie
« Last post by WK154 on January 18, 2019, 10:45:46 PM »
Well if you want cake and meet Greg Mackie then Thursday only in Room 201D  at 5:30 PM you're welcome as long as you have a ticket for the exhibits. Still no clue about MF 5.1. Five days to go the suspense is killing  :).
 https://mackie.com/blog/mackie-celebrates-30-years-running
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DL1608/DL806/DL32R/ProDX Mixers / Re: iOS DL16S experience
« Last post by ToH2002 on January 17, 2019, 10:58:18 PM »
I think Mackie should grey out controls that are not applicable (ie. A input selected = Gain, B input USB = Trim greyed out, etc.). Also if your moving Trim caused a volume reduction while you held it that's a Bug.

Trim definitely IS applicable also on analog inputs. It just works on the signal AFTER the preamps in the digital domain, while Gain directly controls the preamp (which is only available for analog inputs of course).

So trim working on analog inputs is definitely NOT a bug but working as intended - I use this regularly on my DL32R when trimming down signals I want at a lower level in the mix (because my faders have better resolution around 0 dB) but want them at higher level from the preamps (signal to noise). So I use trim after the preamp for analog inputs; when switching inputs from A to B for virtual soundcheck, the level after trim stays the same - expected behavior, not a bug for me.

Quote from the MasterFader manual: " Trim – Trim is a digital level control at the top of the channel’s processing. It affects all input sources to the channel whether analog or digital. "

Cheers,

Torsten
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Behringer X-Air / Re: Embedded WiFi in X-Air/ M-Air tests
« Last post by WK154 on January 17, 2019, 09:57:27 PM »
I did need to test the most likely setup for wireless control. The location was the same 30ft. plus 2 walls giving about -60 to-65 dBm at the control surfaces at 5GHz channel 44. Channel 44 was also shared with my main WiFi router Nighthawk (Tri-band) that was only 2-5 ft. away from the control surfaces (-25 to -30 dBm). Yes it knows how to share on the same  frequency. I was using a EA 6350 Linksys (Cisco, now Belkin) AC1200 unit (at least a 4 year old unit) . The WLAN (Wireless Local Area Network) window poorly named by the Tribe and not to be confused with WAN (Wide Area Network on your router). The SSID is the one established by the EA 6350 (the Access Point) unfortunately and incorrectly changed by the App to, in my case, MR12-xx-xx-xx which is wrong! This certainly can add to the confusion for additional control surfaces trying to use this information. Fortunately the IETF sets the standards not the Tribe  ;D. Since when does an App override typed in and applied data? Tribe needs to fix that ASAP. The test started at 1/16/19 at 9:00 PM. So far so good with 2PC's (W10), one iPad 3 and one Android running Mixing Station. There also has not been any noticeable loss of Beacon messages from the Linksys.
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DL1608/DL806/DL32R/ProDX Mixers / Re: iOS DL16S experience
« Last post by Wynnd on January 17, 2019, 04:47:19 PM »
Used the DL16S for a presentation by former Colorado Governor Dick Lamb yesterday.  Was in the Park Hill United Methodist Church.  I used a DriveRack PX to EQ the room prior to the event.  Like most things I do, I will make changes for next week.  I'm using my Airport Express II  (Dual band model)  it ran flawlessly.  I walked out of the sanctuary and into the parlor and had a very solid connection to the mixer through one wall and about 120 feet away on the 5 gigahertz band.  (Which doesn't carry as far away as the 2.4 GHz) There were about 5 other WiFi's in the area.  Don't know about their frequency or strength.  I finally made use of the Spectrum monitoring.  Never used it before But I had two instances of feedback.  (Hate that)  The AntiFeedbackSystem of the DRPX either was busy or just missed it.  it was pretty obvious on the spectrum monitoring what frequency needed to be cut.  I really couldn't ring out the system as I didn't know where the microphones were going to be placed.  I have a better idea now.  Love the mixer and still exploring its capabilities.
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DL1608/DL806/DL32R/ProDX Mixers / Re: dl1608 recording question
« Last post by Artaudio on January 16, 2019, 12:42:24 AM »
Well if I’m not mistaken, L&R Pre Fader is usually the best selection for recording a board mix. The reason for that is if you change the output level of your PA a fair bit, it won’t affect your recording as the signal is being taken before the L&R Fader control. If you want to be able to fade in or out your mix going to your iPad. Then select post L&R. Just remember that when you move your L&R Fader it also lowers then signal going to the output jacks to your PA system.

NB. If you choose to use PreFader, it is like you have set your L&R Fader to unity (0dB) on your mixer and it is locked in that position just for the iPad and not for the L&R outputs on the unit.

Hope that helps.

Cheers
Al T


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DL1608/DL806/DL32R/ProDX Mixers / dl1608 recording question
« Last post by iwerica on January 15, 2019, 11:46:26 PM »
hy people.
I looked at my dl1608 recording configuration (ipad record patching), and it is assigned to Main L/R Pre Fader. Next option is Main L/R.
Can someone explain me diferences?
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