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DL1608/DL806/DL32R/ProDX Mixers / Re: 24000 views about DC16
« Last post by WK154 on Yesterday at 05:55:24 PM »
If I had to take a WAG (Wild A.. Guess) I would estimate that 15% are users another 10% competition and the rest potential buyers trying to make up their mind about spending $6,000 to $7,000 including the iPads. That's 75% of possibly 12,000 viewer taking multiple views into account. That's about 9,000 potential customers. I could also be way off but it's certainly a fair number of potentials. That's close to $50 million in gross sales using Mackie's distributors  share at $5,500 per unit.
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DL1608/DL806/DL32R/ProDX Mixers / Re: 5.1 experience and router question
« Last post by dpdan on Yesterday at 12:41:05 AM »
We all can vote with our purchases.

you got that right!

I remember Ramsa, their stuff was pretty incredible then as you say,,, they piss-a-deared.
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DL1608/DL806/DL32R/ProDX Mixers / Re: 5.1 experience and router question
« Last post by WK154 on February 24, 2020, 10:24:47 PM »
Let me look at a couple of avenues over the next month. I remember another outfit in the Pro Audio business not too long ago, a division of Panasonic called RAMSA. They provided the Beatles with their road gear. The powers to be disbanded the division and left the users high and dry. Two years later they tried to reenter the market with a brand new digital line of mixers and no support for their  previous lines. Well they no longer exist in that business courtesy of their old user base. Reputations (Good Will in Co. lingo) has value and $$ is what investors are all about. Mackie's plunder of course is nowhere near what Panasonic pulled but it will cost them just the same. Products are discontinued all the time due to newer models,  but promising features in a current product and not delivering is frowned upon. We all can vote with our purchases.
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DL1608/DL806/DL32R/ProDX Mixers / Re: 5.1 experience and router question
« Last post by dpdan on February 24, 2020, 07:50:51 PM »
Maybe something can be done to convince Mackie to change their mind about AXIS.

I wish you were right,,, but I think the management at Mackie, (if there is such a thing)... looks at the DC16 as a child with special needs.
Nobody wants one of those ... sadly.

Update Master Fader for the tens of thousands of users, and give the middle finger to a thousand or so DC16 users.  :-[

On another note... Feb 1st was my last post on the Mackie "BETA" forum and nobody has been able to post anything, so, I guess they decided to no longer support that either....
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DL1608/DL806/DL32R/ProDX Mixers / Re: 5.1 experience and router question
« Last post by WK154 on February 24, 2020, 07:02:45 PM »
Sounds like you have everything under control (except Mackie  :)) and yes you are then using a 1Gbs connection for control. I get the tear down process, its faster than training someone else on the spot to help and get it right. Maybe something can be done to convince Mackie to change their mind about AXIS.
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DL1608/DL806/DL32R/ProDX Mixers / Re: 5.1 experience and router question
« Last post by dpdan on February 24, 2020, 06:41:34 AM »
Hi WK, when it comes to ethernet, IP addresses, pinging  etc.. :) I am at a loss. I do have a Dante card in both of my DL32R units... I did not know about the faster Wi-Fi Control port's speed on the Dante cards, that is really cool, (THANKS AUDINATE!) What I do know is that I have been very happy with how instantaneous the response of things are with the iPads. I use 9.7" iPads which are Gen 6. 

I have both DL32R mixers set up identical so that in the event one of them would go down... I quickly swap the Elco (EDAC) multi-pin for the short stage snake and I would then need to patch the five wireless receivers which are not part of the Elco multi-pin. I figure if I ever had to do that I (we) whoever that might be would be down for under three minutes,, that of course would seem like three hours but to have an identical mixer ready to go is comforting. Boot up the backup DL32R, choose to use the show from the iPad and then we're back well, as close as we were when I last saved the snapshot, which I do probably every couple of songs. Naturally, I have never needed the second (backup) DL32R.

I did a pretty big production at a local church at Christmas and I used both DL32R mixers. I used the (backup) DL32R on stage right for strings and woodwinds, (each instrument mic'd) and the other one on stage left for brass and percussion. I had the left and right main outs of the Strings/Woods mixer connected to two inputs on the main DL32R. I used one iPad for the Strings/Woods mix and a second iPad for the main DL32R mix. The stereo outputs of the "main" DL32R fed the church's Allen & Heath SQ6 where bass guitar, electric guitar, keyboards and drums were on their typical inputs. I think we ran somewhere near 60 inputs including praise team singers wireless mics, 6 choir mics and I can't remember the rest. All I know is it took over an hour for me to wrap all my mic cables (S-wrap). I am a stickler and kindly turn down someone's offer to help wrap cables. Anyway, everything worked great.         
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DL1608/DL806/DL32R/ProDX Mixers / Re: DL1608 and MF 5.1.0
« Last post by WK154 on February 23, 2020, 08:03:09 PM »
Since I had the test setup for MF5.1 I thought it would be an opportunity to revisit the X-Air test. The only difference is the mixer this time it's the MR18 instead of the MR12. After 50+ hrs. the same conclusions still stand see X-Air test  http://cacophony.aspinock.com/index.php?topic=1476.msg17514#msg17514    . The router was also different (Netgear R7900) along with the distance of only 15 ft. to the router. I had 13 instances of M-Air running 3 more than the MF5.1 test. All the M-air apps for Windows were V1.5 with the V1.6 firmware. The control surfaces were:
Windows ---- 5 units with all but one running W10 and one W7. The W7 also had instances of M-Air and Bluestacks Android Mix Station running. A wired connection no failures. One other W10 was wired the rest on WiFi.
Android ------ 5 units and as before no disconnects using WiFi. None were wired.
iPad ---------- 2 units a iPad 3 and a iPad 2018. The iPads would loose connection but recover without intervention.
Still the same conclusion as the Mackie MF 5.1 use wired as a minimum and in MF's case use a Windows tablet for the highest reliability of the lot For M-Air/X-Air that would be the Android version.
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DL1608/DL806/DL32R/ProDX Mixers / Re: 5.1 experience and router question
« Last post by WK154 on February 23, 2020, 04:08:17 PM »
Right Dan. I fixed the typo to DC16. Perhaps I wasn't clear on my question. I was trying to find out if the connection was into a DL32R with a Dante card WiFi control port or the Standard DL32 network card control port that you were using. Since you have two DL32R's do you also have both with a Dante card? The Dante card WiFi control ports and the standard are at different speeds (Dante is ten times faster). Dante needs 1Gbs the standard is only 100Mps which most have that are using just the DL32R. The Dante card in fact has 5 1Gbs Ethernet ports and and 2 external optional and is a switch (Marvel 88E6350R chip). Three of which are made available (A,B, Control port). Technical, yes just an old habit, sorry.... :) . The point being that with the newer iPads (faster processors) and the Dante card (faster network) should make the response much snappier at a price  :( . It can also affect connection issues especially the network speed at 1,000% faster.
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DL1608/DL806/DL32R/ProDX Mixers / Re: 5.1 experience and router question
« Last post by dpdan on February 23, 2020, 01:07:52 AM »
Hi WK, I don't have a DL16S... oh you meant DC16... sorry,

The Dante card has two ethernet ports labeled A and B and one labeled WiFi control.
Most of my jobs I never even bring the DC16, on the jobs that I do, I have the A port of the DL32R's Dante card connected to the A port at FOH on the DC16.
The router's ethernet cable is connected to the WiFi control port on the DL32R as always.

The rest of your questions are over my head... :)
 

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DL1608/DL806/DL32R/ProDX Mixers / Re: 5.1 experience and router question
« Last post by WK154 on February 22, 2020, 07:50:53 PM »
Dan I have a question about your configuration that you used for test. Since you have a DC16 and a Dante card in the DL32R are you just using the Dante card input for your normal router input. I believe that's a 1 Gbs connection and the standard DL32R network card input is only a 100 Mbps. This I believe can make a difference in the results. I still don't understand the reluctance of the MI to stay a little more up-to date in networking. The cost is actually less for the 1 Gbs chips variety. The 100 Mbs is almost extinct.
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