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Behringer X-Air / Wing A ding ding
« Last post by WK154 on Today at 12:00:01 AM »
Behringers latest foray into mixer haven. 48 inputs lots of routing till you get lost and most of the X32 features. All this for a mere $3500 and you best grab a bunch of stage boxes if you really want some results. No mention of control surfaces yet but I'm sure they are coming. Sweetwater is one of two vendors with prototypes, just wondering when the real thing is going to show up.
Here is Sweetwaters link.   https://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/WING--behringer-wing-48-channel-digital-mixer?utm_content=hero&utm_source=marketing&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=20191118-category-wing
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DL1608/DL806/DL32R/ProDX Mixers / Re: Should Mackie release a partial MF 5.1?
« Last post by Wynnd on November 17, 2019, 02:26:52 AM »
Before I got a faster drive, I would have total dropouts every so often.  Now I don't.  Not sure what the actual problem is, but I really don't care as it's not there anymore.   Also, recording isn't the critical thing for me.  (I don't do much of it.)
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DL1608/DL806/DL32R/ProDX Mixers / Re: Should Mackie release a partial MF 5.1?
« Last post by pytchley on November 16, 2019, 08:40:56 PM »
Something wrong with your MBP Wyndd, I bought a secondhand 2000 G3 500 powerbook and a MOTU 828 in 2002 and for 15 years at most of my gigs recorded up to 18 24bit tracks into Logic (adding a MOTU 2408 and something called a flying cow!) onto it's enormous 12Gb internal drive. Never a problem and it's still working now in retirement. Which is more than I can say of myself!
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DL1608/DL806/DL32R/ProDX Mixers / Re: Should Mackie release a partial MF 5.1?
« Last post by Wynnd on November 16, 2019, 06:52:09 PM »
That sounds like a vote for a staggered release if any of the products is ready. 
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DL1608/DL806/DL32R/ProDX Mixers / Re: Should Mackie release a partial MF 5.1?
« Last post by WK154 on November 15, 2019, 06:06:50 PM »
Getting back to the OP's original question and statements let me summarize things and correct some clear misconceptions expressed here.

The first sentence stated clearly "works perfectly" doesn't imply partial or Beta release. At last count there are four distinct products (iOS, Android, PC, MacOS) trying to serve six different mixer hardware products (Dl806, Dl1608, Dl16S, DL32S DL32R and Axis (DC16)). Just because this release is called V5.1 doesn't imply one product just it's functionality level. If just based on the control platforms it's at minimum four different products if not more. So what contrived reason would dictate a simultaneous release of all products? A poor marketing decision IMHO :). There are even clear benefits to staggered releases the least of which is the appearance of some progress. There also seems to be a misconception that there is only one development team. I can safely state that it's not the case in any reasonable product development of this nature. Behringer X-Air also started with the PC version (not Android) and the Android was subcontracted to David Schuhmann. In the case of Mackie trying to make all cross products look alike shouldn't prove a major obstacle since the basic design has been around since at least 2010. Over time more functionality was added and the development platform was changed courtesy of Apple strong arm tactics. Any new changes of the UI are minimal and easily defined for all teams and already exist (V5.0). They are not reinventing the wheel here! Statements such as "complete rewrite" is nonsense. Someone at Mackie could chime in and correct any of my assumptions, please do.
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DL1608/DL806/DL32R/ProDX Mixers / Re: Should Mackie release a partial MF 5.1?
« Last post by Wynnd on November 14, 2019, 06:28:09 PM »
My new Dell laptop with touch screen.  Small, heavy for its size, considered a two way laptop/tablet.  Reasonable amount of memory, slow processor and about two hours on battery.  No back lit keyboard. When used as a tablet, you have to have a flat surface to put it on because the keyboard is still active.  And it doesn't do 5Ghz Wifi.  I got it cheap.    When I bought my MacBook Pro in 2010, I was only interested in the Firewire 400 for my recording hardware.  With that I got 10 hours of battery life, backlit keyboard, better screen than most laptops at that time, dual band Wifi capable, a read/write DVD/CD optical drive.  (The optical drive is the only failure I've had.)  I also was able to upgrade the memory and processor.  I did the memory, but the fastest processor isn't much faster than I already have.  I've upgraded the Hard Drive twice.  Currently running a SS one. It's now fast enough to record 16 tracks to the SS drive.  Previously I had to record to an external firewire drive.
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DL1608/DL806/DL32R/ProDX Mixers / Re: Should Mackie release a partial MF 5.1?
« Last post by Wynnd on November 14, 2019, 06:14:21 PM »
I understand the customer view that software updates should be free, but Compare with any DAW.  I use Cubase and generally upgrades in a version are about $100 for a previous version user.  Personally, I wouldn't be against Mackie charging for an upgrade version.  Being it's an app, $100 would be too much.  But most wouldn't be fazed by $20 - $50.  Cheaper to upgrade the firmware and app, then to purchase a new mixer.  My take anyway.   Also, I hold some Apple Stock and that has been much better to me than any of their products, but I really have come to appreciate the products they make.  No manufacturer is perfect and all have products that just don't work, but I'm still using my nearly 10 year old MacBook and don't want to upgrade until Apple starts making them available with a touch screen.  (Something they talk like they will never do.)
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DL1608/DL806/DL32R/ProDX Mixers / Re: Should Mackie release a partial MF 5.1?
« Last post by JohnMHoyt on November 14, 2019, 02:02:07 AM »
I reckon the companies that are doing it just have a lot more in the way of resources to develop their products and keep their users happy....  Those resources could be a result of having a larger client base due to expanded platform offerings, maybe.

Mackie can continue to support the one ecosystem I reckon. Maybe they can maintain a nice little niche of people who like being locked into one tablet manufacturer by changing marketing strategies and claiming they are the only ones who support just the one. Exclusivity turns some people on.
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DL1608/DL806/DL32R/ProDX Mixers / Re: Should Mackie release a partial MF 5.1?
« Last post by WK154 on November 13, 2019, 09:42:35 PM »
John I respect your opinion but I would like to hear the reasons why?
"And no, Mackie should NOT release a partially completed product.  Not in my opinion.   "
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DL1608/DL806/DL32R/ProDX Mixers / Re: Should Mackie release a partial MF 5.1?
« Last post by WK154 on November 13, 2019, 09:28:21 PM »
It was cheaper to replace the mixer with something else and by inexpensive android tablets. They paid <100 bucks for their tablets this time.  Instead of over twice that.   Paid for the cost of the mixer they said just to buy everything new.

And this is exactly the challenge for developers. Cheap Android tablet owners expect the exact same performance, regardless of their components, OS flavor, as an iPad, yet for a developer it's a nightmare to have to expand coding, testing, etc. to cover the gamut of cheap android tablets that may or may not be compliant. So yes, they may work and be less expensive, but in the end it adds cost and overhead to Mackie, which means longer delays for all of us. I don't blame you or the churches for wanting to spend less, but it's important to understand what effect that has on the developer - doesn't matter if they're coding in-house or using outside teams, it's more work.

A REALITY CHECK here. Buyers are well aware that you get what you pay for and certainly don't expect the same performance or features of a inexpensive device vs a top of the line one. If they do then it's time to ignore their opinions. As to the effect it has on developers and their "difficulties" its time to find developers up to the job. I would certainly take David Schuhmann over all of the Mackie Android team in developing this application. Its quite simple to provide a list of devices (model# etc.) for the inexperienced to provide a shopping list of their tested devices. Neither Mackie or Behringer provide this unfortunately and there should be nothing to prevent this. It may even provide an incentive for tablet Mfg. to provide free test samples to Mackie as marketing expense. The Beta program also will provide other test device input. This is nothing new in the software industry. Stating the obvious is getting old quick Mackie.
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