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DL1608/DL806/DL32R/ProDX Mixers / Re: Master fader App
« Last post by WK154 on May 14, 2019, 10:08:14 PM »
Here is one for the DIY crowd.   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNcakSLTOvs
Somewhere in this forum we found commercialy made cables for this but they are certainly not common.
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DL1608/DL806/DL32R/ProDX Mixers / Re: Master fader App
« Last post by dpdan on May 14, 2019, 07:57:34 PM »
a guy I know used a similar cable and fried the amplifier in his iPad.
As WK said, you can not short two outputs together,,, well, wait a minute,,,
yes you can if that's what you want to do...  :eek:

Just get a couple of these...


https://www.ebay.com/itm/Hosa-CMP-159-Stereo-Breakout-3-5-mm-TRS-to-Dual-1-4-in-TS-10-ft-Cable/261578814113?hash=item3ce74ff2a1:g:vcgAAOSwY0lXQ2Py:sc:USPSFirstClass!63031!US!-1
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DL1608/DL806/DL32R/ProDX Mixers / Re: Master fader App
« Last post by WK154 on May 14, 2019, 07:44:38 PM »
What Wynnd said and to elaborate further: There's no graphic EQ for the individual input channels - only the outputs. For the inputs, there is only a parametric EQ, with the choices of modern and vintage. Here's a helpful tip: go to any channel EQ and leave it set to Modern. Now, turn on the RTA button. Now you will see a visual graphic of the signal as it runs through that channel. If there are peaks or feedback, you will see it there, and can simply move one of the 4 numbered circles and lower or raise the frequency as needed.

For the external device input: There are 2 ways that work. One involves a 1/8 stereo to 1/4 mono adapter. You would plug this cable into one of the 1/4" inputs on the mixer. This is what I use, and it works fine for low volume break music, but is not ideal. Here is a cable:
https://amzn.to/2JC7yra

The best option uses 2 channels. Go to the 2 channels on the board you wish to use. They must start with an odd number, so you can link 1 & 2 but not 2 & 3. You can link 3 & 4 together, and so on. So select that button (example Ch 1), you will see the same window for naming, icons, etc. Further down the list it gives you the option to Link Ch 1 over Ch 2. Now you will have a single fader controlling both channels, and they will be hard panned left & right, with just 1 EQ operating both.
Don't use that cable  for input since it ties two outputs from another device together (as stated in the cable description). There are other cables with some additional electronics that allow combining two outputs to one input, this is not one of them.
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DL1608/DL806/DL32R/ProDX Mixers / Re: Master fader App
« Last post by stevegarris on May 14, 2019, 07:13:27 PM »
What Wynnd said and to elaborate further: There's no graphic EQ for the individual input channels - only the outputs. For the inputs, there is only a parametric EQ, with the choices of modern and vintage. Here's a helpful tip: go to any channel EQ and leave it set to Modern. Now, turn on the RTA button. Now you will see a visual graphic of the signal as it runs through that channel. If there are peaks or feedback, you will see it there, and can simply move one of the 4 numbered circles and lower or raise the frequency as needed.

For the external device input: There are 2 ways that work. One involves a 1/8 stereo to 1/4 mono adapter. You would plug this cable into one of the 1/4" inputs on the mixer. This is what I use, and it works fine for low volume break music, but is not ideal. Here is a cable:
https://amzn.to/2JC7yra

The best option uses 2 channels. Go to the 2 channels on the board you wish to use. They must start with an odd number, so you can link 1 & 2 but not 2 & 3. You can link 3 & 4 together, and so on. So select that button (example Ch 1), you will see the same window for naming, icons, etc. Further down the list it gives you the option to Link Ch 1 over Ch 2. Now you will have a single fader controlling both channels, and they will be hard panned left & right, with just 1 EQ operating both.

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DL1608/DL806/DL32R/ProDX Mixers / Re: Master fader App
« Last post by Wynnd on May 14, 2019, 12:25:35 AM »
Normally weak system areas are the speakers first and the microphones second.  Good powered speakers will help the speaker end.  The room will affect things too and that will be something you will learn over the years, but starting with a flat system is where I like to begin.   

Now for your questions
1 - 2 channels for stereo.  If the files are on a docked iPad on your mixer, you will have ONE additional stereo fader for that.  Otherwise, you will swallow two channels.  Make the first one an odd channel and the other channel the adjacent one to the right, then click on the name and LINK 1 to 2 (or 3 to 4, or 5 to 6.....). And then you will have one stereo fader to control their input.

3rd question - The output EQ is available in 31 band graphic EQ and flicking down on that screen you can get to the 6 band new PEQ.  You can use both at the same time.  Both channel EQ and Output EQ are available in modern, (My favorite) and classic looks.  They donít work the same and I find the modern to have greater flexibility.  I suggest you get comfortable with the modern version and you wonít go back in the long run.  But if you are currently more comfortable with the classic mode, familiarity helps a lot.  I would suggest you shut the GATES off until you learn when and where to make use of them. 

I watched this software mature over 5 years.  Originally didnít have groups, limited reverb and delay, no VCAs......  No ability to copy a channelís settings and apply them to a different channel.  (That one is a serious time saver.).  Itís now a very functional modern full featured mixer.  I now have the DL16S.  Quite happy.
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Not been around here for a while but have just had a request for help from a mate who's just bought a DL16S (I'm still a happy DL1608 user running MF 2.1 for most things). His questions have brought back to me the folly of discontinuing MF Classic as an option, he's finding MF5 a steep learning curve due to it's sophistication and complexity. He understands that more features inevitable results in a more complex control system but many of the features are software only and, I'm sure, could be 'turned off' in a version of "Master Fader 5 Classic" to make it more beginner friendly. Classic was ideal for setups where the 'competent tech' (me usually) was not always available and simple for less tech savvy volunteers to cope with.

My other gripe (I would like a DL16S myself) is that my main iPads are a Gen 2 and a Gen 3, both are working great and are no longer precious enough to worry me getting them damaged or nicked on a gig but they max out at iOS 9 so the above thread has me a little concerned that if I upgrade to a DL16S I will be unable to use my older iPads. I know this is an Apple issue but I'm not sure what the App Store situation is with allowing new apps to be backwardly compatible with  older iOS versions.

Hey Sam a little off topic but I will be in your lovely City July 23-28 for an International contest for my wife's YWIH (IES for Sweet Adelines)) quartet. It's at the Royal Northern College Manchester In the mid of Manchester College . PM me we may be able to meet if you like.
P.S. You're out of luck just like me on the iPad's. I do have access to a iPad 2018 but no Lightning kit only WiFi which will do for test.
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I ran a DL1608 until this January.  I even had an iPad 2 with the 30 pin connector.  I bought the lightning upgrade kit, but didn't install it and sold the 1608 about 2 weeks ago.  I really love MF 5.x and I lost two iPads to aging out.  One went with the 1608 and the other went to my Wife.  I like the idea of a beginner's mode for MF 5.  Maybe lock the patch panels in the defaults and block groups and VCAs.  Outside of that, everything else is on any good mixer.  Here's hoping that MF 5.1 is everything Mackie plans it to be.  Only have to wait until August to find out.  (Hopefully.)
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 I have had a similar concern that was enough to have me buy the iPad Air platform for the 806/1608. I am running the MF4.5/6 on a gen 4 machnie which will not suppot iOS 11+ and so will not run MF5. I have a DL16S using my newer iPad but there is no cross-platform capability for MF4 to MF5.
iOsS does not require backward compatibility with its apps, so when MF5.1 is released you can say goodbye to Gen 4 and earlier iPads - if you want to run 5.1 on your DL1608.
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Not been around here for a while but have just had a request for help from a mate who's just bought a DL16S (I'm still a happy DL1608 user running MF 2.1 for most things). His questions have brought back to me the folly of discontinuing MF Classic as an option, he's finding MF5 a steep learning curve due to it's sophistication and complexity. He understands that more features inevitable results in a more complex control system but many of the features are software only and, I'm sure, could be 'turned off' in a version of "Master Fader 5 Classic" to make it more beginner friendly. Classic was ideal for setups where the 'competent tech' (me usually) was not always available and simple for less tech savvy volunteers to cope with.

My other gripe (I would like a DL16S myself) is that my main iPads are a Gen 2 and a Gen 3, both are working great and are no longer precious enough to worry me getting them damaged or nicked on a gig but they max out at iOS 9 so the above thread has me a little concerned that if I upgrade to a DL16S I will be unable to use my older iPads. I know this is an Apple issue but I'm not sure what the App Store situation is with allowing new apps to be backwardly compatible with  older iOS versions.
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