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Newb with a few questions
« on: March 25, 2013, 12:06:41 AM »
I picked up my 1608 a few weeks ago and have used it on 3 gigs. I now have a few questions, as Im not sure if My unit is malfunctioning.

First, my channel meters show boatloads of crosstalk. Adjacent channels that are not in use show a signal present within the master fader app, no signal evident at the mic pre led.
 
Second, Ive used the first 2 auxes for monitor mixes, and Im hearing a low level what sounds like a high pitch whir sound, in the monitors, like computer generated rf. ive tried new cables and relocating the router etc. its not distracting during the gig as our stage level masks it.

Love the dl but still getting comfortable in use. Im a Greek bouzouki player and have always run my own sound from stage. Looking forward to Greek festival season as the dl will be a godsend setting levels and tweaking foh sound during the fest.

Looking forward to channel linking!

George
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Re: Newb with a few queastions
« Reply #1 on: March 25, 2013, 02:10:30 AM »
First, my channel meters show boatloads of crosstalk. Adjacent channels that are not in use show a signal present within the master fader app, no signal evident at the mic pre led.
That's normal if there is nothing plugged into the channels showing the "crosstalk".
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Second, Ive used the first 2 auxes for monitor mixes, and Im hearing a low level what sounds like a high pitch whir sound, in the monitors, like computer generated rf. ive tried new cables and relocating the router etc. its not distracting during the gig as our stage level masks it.
Are you using balanced TRS cables or instrument type unbalanced TS cables? The latter are known to result in the noise you describe :( .
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Re: Newb with a few queastions
« Reply #2 on: March 25, 2013, 05:45:59 AM »
The spec certainly doesn't make this a "normal" condition. Their claim is -120 dB at 1kHz crosstalk for inputs which is what the magic meters are suppose to indicate. More Mackie magic. My unit shows no visible meter bars at 40dB gain (knob value) for all inputs no source except for the 0 dB 1kHz signal on channel 1.  If you have all channels except the one with the signal turned fully counterclockwise (nothing plugged into 2-16 ) and you see a meter bar you have a problem. Preamp gain should actually allow more than 40 dB gain before you see a bar. At fully clockwise (60 dB) you should have -40dB bar showing. According to their spec you should see nothing at full gain! Were dealing with the analog part of the mixer only, there can be no crosstalk at the digital sections. With an input of 100 ohms average mic level there is no difference from open. At 0 ohms there is a reduction and what's left over is the poor 48V phantom power fluctuation and preamp problems according to my observations. The mic pre led's typically light at -20dBu. If your unit doesn't come close to these observation you need to send it back and have them extract the worm that came with the Tequila (made in Mexico).
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Re: Newb with a few queastions
« Reply #3 on: March 25, 2013, 01:47:16 PM »
The spec is for the channel properly terminated. Having nothing plugged in is NOT properly terminated ;) . I actually asked Mackie about this and this was their explanation - makes sense to me :) .
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Re: Newb with a few queastions
« Reply #4 on: March 25, 2013, 04:45:02 PM »
RR,
Mackie says a lot of things but reality is different. With their present screwed up meters  who knows (prior lost post). I tried this on my DL1608 and that's what I got.
"With an input of 100 ohms average mic level there is no difference from open. "
 Termination into 100 ohms made no difference (proper termination). What magic termination are they talking about? Maybe they should publish the spec setup being used or identify the test spec (IEC, AES etc.). Shorting the input reduced the noise as expected. I didn't haul out my meters to check the real values just went by their meters.
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Re: Newb with a few queastions
« Reply #5 on: March 25, 2013, 04:50:02 PM »
Are you sure you put the 100 ohm resistor from pin 2 to pin 3 ? I probably just plugged in one of my switched mics but those are a short when "off". In any case I've not had any issue in normal operation.
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Re: Newb with a few queastions
« Reply #6 on: March 25, 2013, 05:04:49 PM »
Yup had these test plugs for decades 1% metal film. I don't have a problem with the DL just answering the OP on his "boatload" problem. Yorgaki1 there is a number for the "boatload" along with all other conditions that would help to answer your question!
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Re: Newb with a few queastions
« Reply #7 on: March 25, 2013, 05:12:19 PM »
Just a comment on the trim controls:
They have a huge amount of gain full up and have a very controllable "curve" with plenty of attenuation for "hot" signals. One of the bands I work with has an Axe FX guitar amp simulator that the guitarist tells me has required the use of an in-line attenuator on every mixer he's used it with except the DL1608. I do carry a 10 dB attenuator I've had to use on other mixers for "hot" outputs from keyboard amps and such - even when those mixers had a "pad" button. The DL1608 has no need of a pad button :) .
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Re: Newb with a few queastions
« Reply #8 on: March 26, 2013, 02:18:47 AM »
Thanks for your your responses fellas.

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Re: Newb with a few queastions
« Reply #9 on: March 26, 2013, 02:32:02 AM »
Well what if anything was the problem ? I's not a one way street.
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