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Re: Master/My Fader V4 Wants and Speculation
« Reply #195 on: October 12, 2015, 08:17:33 PM »
More "views" please.  A-F on the DL32 aren't quite enough.

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Re: Master/My Fader V4 Wants and Speculation
« Reply #196 on: October 13, 2015, 11:08:12 PM »
I would agree with that.....but it's still 2 more than I got on the 1608
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Re: Master/My Fader V4 Wants and Speculation
« Reply #197 on: October 23, 2015, 04:28:03 PM »
I would like to have a third choice for eq on the inputs, a GEQ as on the LR and Aux outputs.  not a fan of PEQ.  There are a ton of RTA Apps out there to pick out an individual frequency.  I would like to be able to turn only that frequency that is feeding back down.

I am considering using the Aux send 1 as my vocal outputs, leaving the channel faders at 0 on the LR output.  I am using 2 LD Maui 28MIX speaker systems which would allow me to put the right DL output into one channel and Aux 1 output into the other

please make life easier and copy the GEQ code over to the input channels.

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Re: Master/My Fader V4 Wants and Speculation
« Reply #198 on: October 23, 2015, 05:04:47 PM »
Hi Ken,

More than twenty years ago, after years of graphic EQs, I worked on my first mixer with fully parametric EQ on each channel, a Souncraft Ghost.
It was like a breath of fresh air blowing in the room.

These days I use the graphic EQ on the Mackie mixers only when a filter happens to be right where I want it frequency-wise, and the filter shape is reasonably useful, and I have other uses for all the parametric filters.


"I would like to be able to turn only that frequency that is feeding back down."

I often work with old time bands, playing in A.  With five or more instruments wailing away on A, 440Hz can be an issue, as well as sometimes 220 and 880.

With a graphic EQ I have a choice of pulling down 400Hz or 500 Hz, that is quite wide and impacting other notes around the problem.
With parametric I can go to exactly 440 and put a narrow filter on the Fiddle, Banjo, Mandolin, Guitar, and/or whatever else is causing an issue.


Early digital mixers didn't have graphic EQs because each filter takes so much processing.
Even with the processing Mackies have now, adding 16(or 32) channels of 30-band graphic EQ could actually be quite demanding.

I'm guessing that the more familiar you get with parametric EQs, the less you will appreciate graphic EQs.
 
Thanks and good health,  Weogo


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Re: Master/My Fader V4 Wants and Speculation
« Reply #199 on: October 23, 2015, 05:18:46 PM »
Maybe I need to revisit the PEQ tutorial.  I just need ammo to persuade the old dudes that we can do that.  It is very hard to get the guys who have been doing it the old way for so long to buy into my forward thinking (I am 72, but not stuck in the past).  As we get older it takes toll on our backs and I have been trying to get our equipment down to a minimum, or at least light.  I also play the bass and have moved over from a 200 pound Sunn 880 amp and speaker to Markbass equipment.

Thank you for the help you are giving me.

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Re: Master/My Fader V4 Wants and Speculation
« Reply #201 on: October 23, 2015, 06:10:41 PM »
Hi Ken,

I'm four months shy of sixty, so I guess a young whippersnapper!    : -)

Yep, that image shows the kind of filter I'm talking about.
It is surprising, going from graphics to parametric, that where I used to use 8~10db to cut feedback, with the parametric right on the problem frequency I often only need a 4~6db cut.
The narrow filter in your image has little impact on the other frequencies around it.


Something I could learn from you is how to get some of the bands I work with to even consider IEMs!

Carry on sir!

Thanks and good health,  Weogo

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Re: Master/My Fader V4 Wants and Speculation
« Reply #202 on: October 31, 2015, 04:25:33 AM »
Weogo, unreal, I too am four months from turning 60. :)
your posts are a breath of fresh air.
I agree with your post about cutting specific frequencies on a PEQ compared to the graphic which almost never is centered on the offending frequency, but sometimes we get lucky and it's right there but often too wide a bandwidth.

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Re: Master/My Fader V4 Wants and Speculation
« Reply #203 on: November 10, 2015, 07:33:14 PM »
What Weogo said! I found out many years ago that a parametric is far less damaging to the sound than a graphic EQ. I would often go into clubs to help "fix' a system that was under-performing, and one look at the graphic would tell me why. Each of those sliders actually takes frequencies from either side, and as you filter more and more the whole thing turns into a mess. I have my Classic set up so that the parametric EQ's come up first, and on the DL these EQ's are fantastic.

Here is a great graphic that shows how uneven and less natural sounding a graphic EQ is. Note the "waviness" of the bass frequencies that are being boosted by the graphic. you get the same results when cutting as well. The parametric on the other hand, is doing exactly what the user wants:

https://www.minidsp.com/applications/dsp-basics/peq-vs-graphic-eq


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Re: Master/My Fader V4 Wants and Speculation
« Reply #204 on: November 10, 2015, 07:37:26 PM »
I would think that the Graphic EQ should come into play when using a RTA to set the output flat for the speakers.  I can clearly see where the PEQ can make an immediate difference.

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Re: Master/My Fader V4 Wants and Speculation
« Reply #205 on: November 10, 2015, 07:46:48 PM »
Hello friends,

I would like to thank all the knowledge I've learned here, and ask Messrs some votes in USERVOICE of mackie so they can improve several features that the time ordered ...

Wave generator -
Spectrum analyzer - RTA

List of tracks recorded on the DL1608 for playback without itunes
Gate
Copy and paste channel settings
Option 2 Reverb or a third machine effects
De-esser
Among others

Leave your vote

http://mackie.uservoice.com/forums/97035-dl-series/

Thank you.

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Re: Master/My Fader V4 Wants and Speculation
« Reply #206 on: November 10, 2015, 09:26:50 PM »
Neither works well unless you can identify the offending frequency.
That's where my biggest problem is, it sometimes takes a while for me to find
the problem since it can be on any of many different channels

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Re: Master/My Fader V4 Wants and Speculation
« Reply #207 on: November 10, 2015, 09:31:15 PM »
Since I installed the rta on my phone it's Easter to id the frequency that's offending


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Re: Master/My Fader V4 Wants and Speculation
« Reply #208 on: November 10, 2015, 11:16:26 PM »
I put the rta on my phone also, and can often see a spike, but what I see may not necessarily
be a spike of feedback. It also doesn't help much in identifying which of 16 channels has the problem.
I can adjust the frequency on the main eq, but would rather just eq it on the channel that has the problem.

Wish I  had a magic program that would flash the channel and hz. that fed back.  I never have a chance to ring out the system prior to start time, and rarely even do a sound check.   Usually it's line test, and roll.
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Re: Master/My Fader V4 Wants and Speculation
« Reply #209 on: November 10, 2015, 11:19:27 PM »
I know what you mean    Hardly ever get the time that I need


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