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My First Impressions with MF 3.X and the DL1608. If You're Interested?
stevegarris:
--- Quote from: Keyboard Magic on February 06, 2015, 08:11:17 PM ---
--- Quote from: WK154 on February 06, 2015, 07:36:19 PM ---OK so you tested MF3.x and it gave you a 50/50 success rate. I hope you'll test that a few more times. So tell me what is the gotta have feature over MF2.1.1 you're trading control response off for ? Of course you're not using MyF (My Fader) so it won't factor in. It's unclear what you meant by what issue the next update will address?
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For myself particularly, the digital trim control. I know it doesn't replace recallable gains, but it helps to tweak, when you need that little bit more, without having to run back to the mixer in the middle of a gig, even though you've set the gains to optimum not maximum, obviously, during setup. I don't use the effects or the iPad channel, didn't before, no issue. Though the trim control on the iPad channel may help to reduce the hot input from the iPad playback. I use airplay, that's not an issue either. No white noise, even though it's been remedied.
The initial MF crash when accessing the scene/snapshot page was worrisome. I am going to test the unit at home everyday until I'm sure everything is Kosher, before the show. If there are any major hiccups, I have the luxury of rolling everything back to v2.X. I don't have many scenes/snapshots to worry about losing. Wireless and sync the same, but won't know until it's tested live. I've been bringing a spare A&H ZED10 as backup for as long as I've been using a DL. It's just smart to have a backup whatever you're using just the same
I hope next update will address the slight fader lag and modern EQ lag on the iPad 2 & 3, for those that use modern EQ and any other issues Mackie finds. Oh and make the channel markings brighter.
So for me, trim control and I like the over-all look of the new software. And like I mentioned before, hopefully updates will make it even better. :)
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Just a heads up for anyone still running 2.x, if you need some extra gain on any channel, you can simply go to the compressor page (turn it on) and add gain there. I do it all the time.
Keyboard Magic:
--- Quote from: stevegarris on February 06, 2015, 08:36:38 PM ---
--- Quote from: Keyboard Magic on February 06, 2015, 08:11:17 PM ---
--- Quote from: WK154 on February 06, 2015, 07:36:19 PM ---OK so you tested MF3.x and it gave you a 50/50 success rate. I hope you'll test that a few more times. So tell me what is the gotta have feature over MF2.1.1 you're trading control response off for ? Of course you're not using MyF (My Fader) so it won't factor in. It's unclear what you meant by what issue the next update will address?
--- End quote ---
For myself particularly, the digital trim control. I know it doesn't replace recallable gains, but it helps to tweak, when you need that little bit more, without having to run back to the mixer in the middle of a gig, even though you've set the gains to optimum not maximum, obviously, during setup. I don't use the effects or the iPad channel, didn't before, no issue. Though the trim control on the iPad channel may help to reduce the hot input from the iPad playback. I use airplay, that's not an issue either. No white noise, even though it's been remedied.
The initial MF crash when accessing the scene/snapshot page was worrisome. I am going to test the unit at home everyday until I'm sure everything is Kosher, before the show. If there are any major hiccups, I have the luxury of rolling everything back to v2.X. I don't have many scenes/snapshots to worry about losing. Wireless and sync the same, but won't know until it's tested live. I've been bringing a spare A&H ZED10 as backup for as long as I've been using a DL. It's just smart to have a backup whatever you're using just the same
I hope next update will address the slight fader lag and modern EQ lag on the iPad 2 & 3, for those that use modern EQ and any other issues Mackie finds. Oh and make the channel markings brighter.
So for me, trim control and I like the over-all look of the new software. And like I mentioned before, hopefully updates will make it even better. :)
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Just a heads up for anyone still running 2.x, if you need some extra gain on any channel, you can simply go to the compressor page (turn it on) and add gain there. I do it all the time.
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Thank you for adding that important point! :thu:
Ampli:
Hi
Heres my report
I have used mf3 now 10 times on a live gig
So far only the first 2 times i had the lag mayby 1 to 1,5 sec( using ipad2)almost to unusable, later it still a bit there, but workable again. Mayby like a quarter of a sec.
What i noticed is also if connected to the mixer the lag seems to grow. So to me it looks more that it occurs due the communicating protocols and not due to graphics on ipad
Tryed also other programs like x32, they behave all the same when offline, and also sometimes slow
Must tell i restart the ipad every time before use
I'm very happy with it
Pro for using mf3 :
The groups and vca
Direct acces to setting,gate compressor and eq
The small vu for compressor and gate level
The digital trim, and yes the compressor gain it did use before, but it wasnt useble for the hot ipad channel and the dig trim is
Way of use groups : drums to sub1, bas to sub2 , git and keys sub 3 , vocals sub 4
Most of the groups got compressor (1,2,3 comp gain 0db, 4 Comp. gain 4db more then 1,2,3)
Vca1 all the inputs, vca all the group faders, this works great for pushing every thing in compression, (raising vca1) then lower vca2 to keep the same level
Vca3 is linked with the aux masters so if i got feedback i lower this one. Then search the problem
Con for using mf3:
The display window for muting reverb,delay and the tap button are almost un useble
This comes because of the slowness of opening and closing of this window, also when opend u cannot use any fader or main fader, mostly i use the tap button in the delay Channel.
Over view screen, looks nice for outsiders but again here almost onuseable, would be better if they made this all faders. Like 16 or 32 lr faders, and 4x 16 faders for aux ( also with somes kind of assign screen)
Gr marco
Keyboard Magic:
--- Quote from: Ampli on February 07, 2015, 05:34:20 AM ---Hi
Heres my report
I have used mf3 now 10 times on a live gig
So far only the first 2 times i had the lag mayby 1 to 1,5 sec( using ipad2)almost to unusable, later it still a bit there, but workable again. Mayby like a quarter of a sec.
What i noticed is also if connected to the mixer the lag seems to grow. So to me it looks more that it occurs due the communicating protocols and not due to graphics on ipad
Tryed also other programs like x32, they behave all the same when offline, and also sometimes slow
Must tell i restart the ipad every time before use
I'm very happy with it
Pro for using mf3 :
The groups and vca
Direct acces to setting,gate compressor and eq
The small vu for compressor and gate level
The digital trim, and yes the compressor gain it did use before, but it wasnt useble for the hot ipad channel and the dig trim is
Way of use groups : drums to sub1, bas to sub2 , git and keys sub 3 , vocals sub 4
Most of the groups got compressor (1,2,3 comp gain 0db, 4 Comp. gain 4db more then 1,2,3)
Vca1 all the inputs, vca all the group faders, this works great for pushing every thing in compression, (raising vca1) then lower vca2 to keep the same level
Vca3 is linked with the aux masters so if i got feedback i lower this one. Then search the problem
Con for using mf3:
The display window for muting reverb,delay and the tap button are almost un useble
This comes because of the slowness of opening and closing of this window, also when opend u cannot use any fader or main fader, mostly i use the tap button in the delay Channel.
Over view screen, looks nice for outsiders but again here almost onuseable, would be better if they made this all faders. Like 16 or 32 lr faders, and 4x 16 faders for aux ( also with somes kind of assign screen)
Gr marco
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Hey,
Thanks for posting your experiences with MF 3.X. Wow, it really brings to light that there is no common ground between the same iPads. Very puzzling indeed!
Sir Krang:
I hope ya don't mind me throwing in a quick few words of my positive experience after upgrading from and iPad 3 to an iPad Air 2.
Just like you experienced, frustratingly slow screen load times and general lagginess. Not a fun thing and it wore thin very quickly after upgrading from generally silky smooth MF2 experience.
However, the iPad Air 2 is lightning fast. Everything happens almost instantly. In fact it feels even better to drive on MF3 than any of the gigs I did with MF2 on an older iPad.
I've been in contact with BenO and he gave me his generic reply. Same reply someone else posted here a few days ago.
Although he did assure me they were trying to smooth out the lagginess as much as they could for older, less powerful iPads.
Fingers crossed for those with older iPads
Thanks for your review :)
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