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IPad Air 2 Does the Trick with MF 3.X. In My Perception
Wynnd:
If you have to be loud to sound good, you probably aren't very good. If you are good, you should sound good at jukebox levels too.
pytchley:
Here in France festival means more than one band outside so not so grand but often on big stages in town centre car parks. In that situation everybody is going to need monitors and the drummer's going to need a little bit of snare. Also I don't know what parallel universe some of you guys live in but the majority of electric guitarists have always played too loud on stage in the one I live in and getting them to turn down always seems to provoke a fit of the sulks and they just turn back up again anyway. I'm mostly involved in acoustic stuff these days thankfully and mostly play with brushes myself so no 100db snares from me. In the two years I've been using the DL I've done a lot of big shows and there's not a lot of bands that won't fit onto 16 channels. I think I only got the big desk and multicore out three times last year!
Wynnd:
The snare is less than 4 feet away from the drummers head. How on earth can they not hear that? (Without running it through the PA.) Large stages with the band spread out? Yea, they will need monitors, but the drummer should have an easier time hearing himself with everyone else pulled away. On the other hand, it's always been recommended that if the band is normally packed tight when playing, they should also pack tight especially on a large stage so what they hear is closer to normal.
At one outdoor gig where I was playing keys, the drummer's monitor was aimed my direction and the kick was so loud (outdoors) at 12 feet, that I asked the monitor engineer to do something. It was totally drowning out my monitor that was a mere 5 feet from my head. (And no, I didn't want my monitor turned up. It was really loud enough and the drummer normally played without a monitor. It was all the engineers fault. There was no call for that much monitor from any point onstage.)
pytchley:
Of course I don't mean silly loud but that's not possible anyway with say a violin with a condenser mic but he's still going to need to hear himself. It's amazing how little you can hear sometimes on stage outdoors especially with city noise and of course the hundreds of thousands of adoring spectators screaming :lol: By my calculations a drummer would need to be around 12 feet tall to get 4 feet away from his snare so I wouldn't pick a fight with him. :)
Wynnd:
No normal traffic noise will prevent a violinist from hearing his instrument. A stupid loud guitar, drums, or horns aimed at their ears will. Currently playing bass for a musical with flute, violin viola cello guitar drums, piano. In the orchestra pit, there are some minor hearing issues across, but we've been rehearsing without any PA support. (I've been bringing a small bass amp. The other bassist has been bringing a 1000 watt ampeg, but he's been playing at reasonable levels. Volume controls go two ways for a reason.)
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