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Suggestions for a Small rack mixer as a backup
WK154:
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--- Quote from: WK154 on April 13, 2015, 06:34:32 PM ---[...] delay is 150 milliseconds input to output unless you send it thru the secondary filters which adds another 150 milliseconds. Compared to 1500 milliseconds for the DL. [...]
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Eek! But I suspect you meant "microseconds" not "milliseconds" ;) .
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What would I do without you! ;) Yes microseconds! Fixed in post.
Sir Krang:
--- Quote from: Kev tyler on April 13, 2015, 09:34:03 AM ---I purchased a zed 10fx recently whilst I contemplated jumping in to the digital pond, it's a solid little desk, but I hate the fx, has anyone else found them a bit weird?
Kev
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Kev, my ZED10 doesn't have FX, but I have used the ZED10FX model a few times in the past.
I also owned a ZED16FX for 3+ years up until 2 weeks ago when I sold it.
I always found the built in FX on the A&H ZED mixers to be pretty damn good, especially considering the "cheap and cheerful" category these wonderful little mixers fall into.
Most of the ZED's built in FX sound better than what the DL1608 offers.
I've been following your posts for a quite a while, since 25 September last year, and it quickly became obvious that you want as much bang for your buck as possible.
That's ok. I think we all do.
But as far as I'm concerned I'm more than happy to "go with the flow" in regards to built in FX on BUDGET CONSCIOUS audio gear.
My A&H ZED experience has shown me that their built in FX are nicer than the ones in my DL. But not by much.
But I'm happy to live with them considering the current price bracket I'm spending.
For low $ I expect nothing more than "ok" FX.
If you want epically awesome reverbs, delays, choruses, etc, you really need to consider a different level of audio gear.
More expensive probably.
Or if Mackie simply can't provide REALLY GOOD built in FX at any level then you're probably wasting your time here
My guess right now would be that no matter what BUDGET mixer you finally end up buying, be it digital or analogue, will likely fall short of your demanding expectations.
Maybe if Behringer offers fantasmagorical on its cheap as chips, low end mixers then that may be the best way for you to go.
Cheap to buy. Lotsa great features that make you happy and satisfied. No more time wasting, hand wringing, or rocking back and forth.
Just an observation from someone else who "researches the shit" out of everything I buy....but makes a concrete decision in well under 7 months :)
Keyboard Magic:
I think we’re all demanding on what gear we buy. Sometimes it just takes us a little longer to decide what we really want for the money we can actually afford, no matter the price. Whatever gear we buy, cheap, expensive, or somewhere in between, it’s a very big investment, not something to be taken lightly.
Forums like this are a good way to discuss, share information and make decisions based on other professional’s experiences and opinions. I only do sound maybe twice a month now if I’m lucky and really have to justify spending on gear. It took me almost a year of research and waffling to upgrade my powered speakers. We’re all different and that’s what makes this forum so interesting. 8)
Kev tyler:
--- Quote from: Sir Krang on April 14, 2015, 06:25:49 AM ---
--- Quote from: Kev tyler on April 13, 2015, 09:34:03 AM ---I purchased a zed 10fx recently whilst I contemplated jumping in to the digital pond, it's a solid little desk, but I hate the fx, has anyone else found them a bit weird?
Kev
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Kev, my ZED10 doesn't have FX, but I have used the ZED10FX model a few times in the past.
I also owned a ZED16FX for 3+ years up until 2 weeks ago when I sold it.
I always found the built in FX on the A&H ZED mixers to be pretty damn good, especially considering the "cheap and cheerful" category these wonderful little mixers fall into.
Most of the ZED's built in FX sound better than what the DL1608 offers.
I've been following your posts for a quite a while, since 25 September last year, and it quickly became obvious that you want as much bang for your buck as possible.
That's ok. I think we all do.
But as far as I'm concerned I'm more than happy to "go with the flow" in regards to built in FX on BUDGET CONSCIOUS audio gear.
My A&H ZED experience has shown me that their built in FX are nicer than the ones in my DL. But not by much.
But I'm happy to live with them considering the current price bracket I'm spending.
For low $ I expect nothing more than "ok" FX.
If you want epically awesome reverbs, delays, choruses, etc, you really need to consider a different level of audio gear.
More expensive probably.
Or if Mackie simply can't provide REALLY GOOD built in FX at any level then you're probably wasting your time here
My guess right now would be that no matter what BUDGET mixer you finally end up buying, be it digital or analogue, will likely fall short of your demanding expectations.
Maybe if Behringer offers fantasmagorical on its cheap as chips, low end mixers then that may be the best way for you to go.
Cheap to buy. Lotsa great features that make you happy and satisfied. No more time wasting, hand wringing, or rocking back and forth.
Just an observation from someone else who "researches the shit" out of everything I buy....but makes a concrete decision in well under 7 months :)
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Hi sir Krang,
Thanks for the response, I am not after a mind blowing mixer experience, as a solo or duo, i don't need chorus or echo or a zillion routing options, just one decent reverb patch and an app that can cope with playback and control at the same time , up to the recent birth of my son, I would have happily spent a thousand dollars on a three input mixer if one existed, but since I have abandoned my premium gigs I don't really need anything clever, as you suggest berry and co have had me tooing and throwing for some time but I am in no hurry and whatever my decisions are it really has no impact on anyone here or on the other forum does it?
Back to the topic, I do have a couple of digital reverbs here, an old quadravverb and an upmarket Yamaha job, I just don't have room in my rack for them and have to get by without them.
I know I am taking a long time to jump in to the digital pond but it's tough here, there is no differential in pay between an act with lights, an act with ten inch speakers an act with lights and subs and mid tops all processed, using a 1000 euro mic or a thoman t bone mic, one of the acts here I notice only brings one speaker in, 😂 and
I saw a really good duo on Sunday with no FOH pa at all , but had two ev s 200 as floor wedges doing monitors and main pa.
My wembley stadium aspirations are well behind me now, so with relation to upgrades, everything i do now is for my own satisfaction, And with relation to playing to 50 to 100 people, the audience don't care about sound to a degree, and won't be bothered if I have a digi or analogue desk, they might notice the digital sugar coating is making everything nice but I doubt it, in the bread and butter world people have become accustomed to the sound of thoman plastic, so I can afford to wait and wait and wait and hope that eventually a product comes along that will make me part with my cash, probably to keep my own interest in the job more than anything else, right now the problems with the new x range, and the ongoing issues with the Dl are making me do nothing and I am sure you can all understand that.
Cheers
Kev
robbocurry:
--- Quote from: Kev tyler on April 15, 2015, 01:48:29 PM ---
--- Quote from: Sir Krang on April 14, 2015, 06:25:49 AM ---
--- Quote from: Kev tyler on April 13, 2015, 09:34:03 AM ---I purchased a zed 10fx recently whilst I contemplated jumping in to the digital pond, it's a solid little desk, but I hate the fx, has anyone else found them a bit weird?
Kev
--- End quote ---
Kev, my ZED10 doesn't have FX, but I have used the ZED10FX model a few times in the past.
I also owned a ZED16FX for 3+ years up until 2 weeks ago when I sold it.
I always found the built in FX on the A&H ZED mixers to be pretty damn good, especially considering the "cheap and cheerful" category these wonderful little mixers fall into.
Most of the ZED's built in FX sound better than what the DL1608 offers.
I've been following your posts for a quite a while, since 25 September last year, and it quickly became obvious that you want as much bang for your buck as possible.
That's ok. I think we all do.
But as far as I'm concerned I'm more than happy to "go with the flow" in regards to built in FX on BUDGET CONSCIOUS audio gear.
My A&H ZED experience has shown me that their built in FX are nicer than the ones in my DL. But not by much.
But I'm happy to live with them considering the current price bracket I'm spending.
For low $ I expect nothing more than "ok" FX.
If you want epically awesome reverbs, delays, choruses, etc, you really need to consider a different level of audio gear.
More expensive probably.
Or if Mackie simply can't provide REALLY GOOD built in FX at any level then you're probably wasting your time here
My guess right now would be that no matter what BUDGET mixer you finally end up buying, be it digital or analogue, will likely fall short of your demanding expectations.
Maybe if Behringer offers fantasmagorical on its cheap as chips, low end mixers then that may be the best way for you to go.
Cheap to buy. Lotsa great features that make you happy and satisfied. No more time wasting, hand wringing, or rocking back and forth.
Just an observation from someone else who "researches the shit" out of everything I buy....but makes a concrete decision in well under 7 months :)
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Hi sir Krang,
Thanks for the response, I am not after a mind blowing mixer experience, as a solo or duo, i don't need chorus or echo or a zillion routing options, just one decent reverb patch and an app that can cope with playback and control at the same time , up to the recent birth of my son, I would have happily spent a thousand dollars on a three input mixer if one existed, but since I have abandoned my premium gigs I don't really need anything clever, as you suggest berry and co have had me tooing and throwing for some time but I am in no hurry and whatever my decisions are it really has no impact on anyone here or on the other forum does it?
Back to the topic, I do have a couple of digital reverbs here, an old quadravverb and an upmarket Yamaha job, I just don't have room in my rack for them and have to get by without them.
I know I am taking a long time to jump in to the digital pond but it's tough here, there is no differential in pay between an act with lights, an act with ten inch speakers an act with lights and subs and mid tops all processed, using a 1000 euro mic or a thoman t bone mic, one of the acts here I notice only brings one speaker in, 😂 and
I saw a really good duo on Sunday with no FOH pa at all , but had two ev s 200 as floor wedges doing monitors and main pa.
My wembley stadium aspirations are well behind me now, so with relation to upgrades, everything i do now is for my own satisfaction, And with relation to playing to 50 to 100 people, the audience don't care about sound to a degree, and won't be bothered if I have a digi or analogue desk, they might notice the digital sugar coating is making everything nice but I doubt it, in the bread and butter world people have become accustomed to the sound of thoman plastic, so I can afford to wait and wait and wait and hope that eventually a product comes along that will make me part with my cash, probably to keep my own interest in the job more than anything else, right now the problems with the new x range, and the ongoing issues with the Dl are making me do nothing and I am sure you can all understand that.
Cheers
Kev
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Honestly Kev, I'm not sure what the "ongoing issues with the DL" really are?
The lack of posting on this forum suggests that MF3.0 has matured and there is nothing really worth talking about at the moment. :thu:
I know some of the guys may have different and less favourable opinions regarding the DL but I was using my DL 2-3 times every week for nearly two years and nothing - I repeat nothing - that the DL ever did, impacted negatively on a gig during that time.
I don't expect any audience to know or care about how good the sound is, but I care.
That's why I'll usually buy something perhaps a little better than I really need.
On the other hand, I'll minimize the amount of gear I bring in if I can, especially if on a tight budget, but I'll still want it to be good too!
If you're getting away with what you have and it's not bothering you, I'd save my money and buy FA cup final tickets for Arsenal vs Aston Villa instead! :lol:
Having said that, the DL806 is so damn cheap at the moment and it's here right now. A definite upgrade to the ZED10, much as it has it's merits!!
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