The Phonic has risen from the ashes!

[WK154]

Called Andrew at Musicians Friend today and they have a bunch. A special deal with a BBE sonic maximizer and of course a discount off the MAP of $749. This product has had a long road to market, read the prior almost a year ago thread  http://cacophony.aspinock.com/index.php?topic=427.msg3072#msg3072     
This is certainly a more full featured DL at a phenomenal price. The 2 kit I have from them work fine. Have to check my spare change. Here's the web site.  http://www.musiciansfriend.com/pro-audio/phonic-acapela16-digital-mixer
RR time to sell that Summit and get this without taking a hit maybe  .

[RoadRanger]

All the Phonic digital mixers hare the "joy" of having no way to get your monitor mixes pre-EQ/Comp . This one has only four aux outs. I can't think of anyone I'd recommend one to. When Phonic abandoned their online forum they didn't even have the decency to shut it down - they just don't respond there anymore:
https://getsatisfaction.com/phonic
The promised (final?) update for the Summit is two years overdue.

So no thanks, I'll stick with the DL1608 as long as they work on some of the shortcomings a couple times a year :-) .

[WK154]

Unless I'm reading it wrong you can select pre or post to aux in the channel setup under sends. You also have the options of processing sequence (eq,dyn,delay) of 6 choices on input. There are also groups (1-4). Stereo recording that might work etc. and other features. More than your Summit. I would switch if the $ are right. Not suggesting it as a replacement for the DL. If you're using the Summit for a multichannel recorder that's different too.

[RoadRanger]

I'll look again but last time I looked they were pre or post FADER only - no option for pre EQ/Comp. Maybe check the latest block diagram? Also if you want HPF's you give up one of the four EQ bands. OTOH you can give up another one and have LPF's too - hopefully Mackie will give us those on the channels soon. I'd look now but I'm on my way out the door right now...

...and I've become spoiled with 5 monitor mixes plus the aux drive sub .

[WK154]

Had to go to the manual and it states:

AUX Send Controls: These virtual rotary controls
can be used to adjust the level of the currently selected
channel that is sent to the corresponding AUX
mix. The Pre/Post buttons allow you to change the
corresponding sends from the channel from prefader,
pre-EQ, pre-dynamics and pre-fader to postfader,
post-EQ, post-dynamics, post-fader

Wasn't clear in the app.
From a work-flow aspect having all aux's and the main on the same layer is far better than Mackie's multilayer approach especially if your trying to control tops and sub separately. Of course you don't need to do that since you have matrix and groups available.

[RoadRanger]

Interesting that the German manual says different. And that the manuals lack block diagrams.

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[RoadRanger]

The block diagram for the iS16 still shows the auxes are always post EQ/Comp.

[WK154]

The German manual just fails to mention processing. Yes the manual needs help you should have seen the first one in black and white.
UPDATE: The German manual states the same thing as my English/Spanish version. You need to look at pg.19. that describes sends in the channel.

[WK154]

The block diagram for the iS16 still shows the auxes are always post EQ/Comp.

Block diagrams are a old school interpretation of digital paths and like Mackie's are missing a few things. When you label a signal analog after just going thru a ADC I'll question all the rest. Love the black and white manual for a color display!

[nottooloud]

This is certainly a more full featured DL at a phenomenal price.

You crack me up.