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Master Fader V2.0 Wants and Speculation
WK154:
I think that five is the band aid and more like 7-9 (including RR #4 and more) would keep it competitive with it's hardware shortcomings. What frost me is their description in the Users Guide of "Think of it as today's CR1604... but digital and unplugged."The DL doesn't come close to the CR on routing flexibility and never will. Their effects are under fire so what does this leave? Walking around and looking cool with an iPad! I can buy a $25 mixer and have, that will make it look like a toy. It's PC based. I may post this under the DIY topic if someone is interested.
RoadRanger:
--- Quote from: WK154 on March 28, 2013, 07:20:32 PM --- I can buy a $25 mixer and have, that will make it look like a toy. It's PC based. I may post this under the DIY topic if someone is interested.
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Do tell :) .
WK154:
OK! I'll need to take some Pics. Right now I'm not in a good mood doing taxes and being reminded of what my hard earned $ are supporting. Next week. The variants of this have been in use for about 6 yrs in my wives classroom. I have used it about 4 yrs in the school environment ( much tougher than MIL spec). Where else can you get a precision 12 output signal generator for that money? OK the cables cost double that!
Kevin:
--- Quote ---What frost me is their description in the Users Guide of "Think of it as today's CR1604... but digital and unplugged.
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Yeah, that was a bit of a stretch, but hopefully also a goal that they believe they can reach with future upgrades.
--- Quote ---The DL doesn't come close to the CR on routing flexibility and never will.
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As long as they havent run out of DSP processing bandwidth, I dont see why they couldnt get pretty close. Obviously not as much I/O, but the better their processing is, the less I/O you need.
--- Quote ---Their effects are under fire
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I never understood the complaints about the effects. Maybe because I've been using the same pair of Quadreverbs for the past 20 years. I'm a simple man with simple needs.
--- Quote ---so what does this leave? Walking around and looking cool with an iPad!
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cmon! you gotta admit that's worth something! I dont know about you, but I'm not turning many heads on account of my good looks. Not having to scout out a good spot for the desk and roll out a snake is huge! Being able to sell off most of my outboard gear and nearly pay for this thing is almost like getting a free mixer. I'm not saying that Mackie doesnt still have quite a bit of work to do - but the glass looks a lot more than half full to me.
WK154:
First off they just don't have the physical outputs without a new incarnation of the DL. Second it's not about DSP power it's about their design approach. My $25 mixer has 9 DSP's, two FPLA's a 32bit Micro (M68000 new version) an Altera Flex and a N16550 micro for com. They have one DSP and no FPLA according to BenO. It has no switch FPLA, too complicated! Granted the MSRP was around $5200 new for this but we have to deal with today's reality. I purchased 5 for $125 including shipping, although I paid as much as $60 for one, BFD. Spend $8 for a new fan and you have a new unit. Mackies digital delay is 1500 usec but it may contain a lot of leeway. They could realistically take it to 3000 usec before anyone would notices the feared digital delay. My unit has 150 usec delay and if you throw in an additional processing cycle (something you cant do with Mackie) it adds another 150 usec delay. That's up to 15 filters including crossover filters. Twelve inputs (8 mic and 4 line) and 12 outputs thru a 32x32 matrix switch which is expandable to 8 units and gives you 96 (64 mic) x 96. I think that's more than enough for all of you. Why wait for the crippled DL3208? Check it out it's a XAP800 by Gentner/ClearOne. Polycom's Ef2280 is similar but I don't like the Power supply solution (like the DL). Software was not intended for live venues but I finding it no worse than MF overall. It's also published and controllers are available for it. No secrets! I just walk around with a Toshiba tablet (6 yr old XP). OK I sit most of the time. I bought the DL for evaluation and finding it lacking in too many places. It will be on the chopping block soon after my screwdriver gets used to unveil the mysteries. I was waiting for 1.4 before doing this just to see if they took care of basics like their screwed up meters. Did I mention individual Phantom Power ? Before you come down on me by not having 48V check you Mics, a lot can handle 24V. The preamp can handle most situations at optimum S/N with attenuation down to 0.5 dB. Inputs and outputs are via Phoenix connectors so the most expensive part of the system are the Phoenix to XLR or TSR connectors at $60 +. for 24.
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