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Master Fader V3.0.1 is Here !
Rdmitch:
I'm sure glad there are so many computer literate people here. I barely understand a word of it but it sure sounds like you guys really know how to weed out the mackie inconsistencies. Makes me feel a lot better knowing they at least acknowledge the problem.
My ipad3 was no worse than the ipad 2. They both worked great on version 2.1. I think the true test will be when the new iPad air 2 shows up next week and I can see how it tracks the graphics.
I would NEVER have bought this new one strictly to use on the DL, beside being a great price, the retina display was needed for the Netflix app. Watching e bay carefully and patiently can pay off as I found this for $ 249.00
New....no refurbs or b stock. Brand new, sealed box, full warranty, free shipping.
I will report on the results after I try it. I am hoping it works since for me the PEQ is very important. As things are looking very positive this coming year I need to be up to speed. Looks like I have 2-3 bands using me for all gigs this coming year which means 5-7 shows a month.
Wynnd:
You can't get a "no lag" situation. Doesn't exist. Pretty sure what you really mean is no perceiveable lag. (Humans don't notice things that occur quickly but are still lagging. Nano-seconds matter to computers.) I get the difference. I can live with things this way. It would be better fixed. Would be interesting to see the source code for the "modern PEQ". I'm betting on there being some math to calculate the position being the likely source of the excessive lag. Math can be very demanding on smaller processors. And the apparent lack of difference between the later ipads and the ipad 2 would point to the video as not being much of the reason for problems. Someone probably put some divide function call in there. If it's integer math, it's pretty fast. insist upon real math and you get great results at a much slower rate. (And being that it's calculating the entire time you're adjusting the PEQ, that's a lot of math.) I'm guessing that a 50 x 200 matrix result would be close enough for functional and with integer math that should run like a banshee.
WK154:
--- Quote from: Wynnd on January 22, 2015, 12:00:12 AM ---You can't get a "no lag" situation. Doesn't exist. Pretty sure what you really mean is no perceiveable lag. (Humans don't notice things that occur quickly but are still lagging. Nano-seconds matter to computers.) I get the difference. I can live with things this way. It would be better fixed. Would be interesting to see the source code for the "modern PEQ". I'm betting on there being some math to calculate the position being the likely source of the excessive lag. Math can be very demanding on smaller processors. And the apparent lack of difference between the later ipads and the ipad 2 would point to the video as not being much of the reason for problems. Someone probably put some divide function call in there. If it's integer math, it's pretty fast. insist upon real math and you get great results at a much slower rate. (And being that it's calculating the entire time you're adjusting the PEQ, that's a lot of math.) I'm guessing that a 50 x 200 matrix result would be close enough for functional and with integer math that should run like a banshee.
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Wynnd I'm disappointed that you followed BenO into that same rabbit hole. ;) Did Mackie change any part of the PEQ from V2.x or even 1.0 ? NO same calculations! If they had increased the resolution (which we don't even know what it is. 1/3 octave or 1/60th?? ) they would be shouting it from every rooftop as a competitive edge. That leaves two culprits AFAIK. The infamous Mandolin communications from Mackie and the graphics UI library changes from Apple. If your app doesn't play well with multicore GPU processors you're out of luck. Most of that burden fell on Apple and they made sure that most apps wouldn't suffer under the Retina display by doubling the number of GPU's and RAM. That of course leaves Mackie holding the bag with their Mandolin comm package. My vote is for Mackie.
Rdmitch:
Well...since I was so curious to see where the problem lies, I was able to borrow a brand new iPad air 2.
Our service techs at my "real" job use iPads to document jobs and generate invoices so I have taken one of our brand new ones home to play with for the weekend. I will be able to actually try the newest iPad myself this weekend. I'm hoping it solves the problem, even though it has to go back to its rightful owner come Monday morning.
Even if it solves the problem, it sure doesn't in my opinion relieve mackie of the responsibility to provide the app that works for everyone that made the investment in the product already. If they want to put a note on all new units that the iPad with the 64 bit architecture is needed that's up to them. They could also reput the original app that we know works back online so people have the option.
Curious as to
stevegarris:
Based on what I'm reading here it looks like I'll be moving on to another product :-(
It's really too bad, as I was and have been a huge supporter of this mixer.
I have 2 iPads with 2.1 loaded, and I'm going to attempt to back everything up so that I can use these for as long as possible.
The fix for Mackie is simple, offer a Master Fader Lite version (2.1), but it's not looking like they will go that route.
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